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Linux Expo 2001
by Earl Brannigan 01 May '01

01 May '01

Hi All www.linuxexpo.co.uk for the free registration. I'll be going on the wednesday (4th) because I prefer to get the freebies. It would be great to meet up with any other ALUG memebers there, I'll probably be alone...... :o( Cheers Earl Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. (Albert Einstein) Email : earl.brannigan(a)lindenhouse.co.uk

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RFC1149
by David Freeman 30 Apr '01

30 Apr '01

You thought it was a joke. . . . writen for april fools day 1990 . . . And implemented by a LUG in norway http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/ So who wants to work towards the RFC for IP over smoke signals? Thanks D __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/

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Re: [Alug] Modules under red hat
by MJ Ray 30 Apr '01

30 Apr '01

David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> writes: > conf.modules is for setting up alias's etc... I mean for actually > telling init what to load in the way of modules. If it's like Debian's modules.conf (ie, it's the antique pre-renaming file), then I believe it can also load modules on boot. Of course, if you want the module there all the time, why bother compiling it as a module? -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Modules under red hat
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 30 Apr '01

30 Apr '01

>What file does redhat use to load kernel modules on bootup? It wouldn't be in the /etc/rc.d location, would it? Jen.

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Modules under red hat
by David Freeman 30 Apr '01

30 Apr '01

What file does redhat use to load kernel modules on bootup? I couldn't find one in a sensible place with a sensible name. Thanks D __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/

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Re: Encore was Re: [Alug] LinuxDay finale
by MJ Ray 30 Apr '01

30 Apr '01

David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> writes: > Good, I'll bring some if I can find any, I think I used all mine > recently. Damn. Overslept. Just leaving. Hope to stop off and get some, but time is getting tight. > Also will we have access to update the website from where we will be at > the hive? Can't update hte site from anywhere atm, sadly. The www.anglian address needs pointing at a new machine. -- MJR

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LinkSYS ethernet card under Linux
by Ashley T. Howes 30 Apr '01

30 Apr '01

I'm trying to get a LinkSYS PCI ethernet card (EtherFast 10/100 Lan Card) working in Linux. According to the instructions it use the tulip driver. I have assigned the tulip driver to the ethernet card, but when the tulip kernel module tries to startup it fails with "Device or resource busy". The machine with this card in is running Mandrake 7.0. Any hints, suggestions to get this ethernet card working? Ashley -- Dr Ashley T. Howes Ph.D. ashley(a)turton.com Internet Developer http://www.turton.com Turton Creative Marketing Solutions 23-27 St. Andrews Street, Norwich, Norfolk, NR2 4TP, UK Tel:+44 (0)1603 766888 Fax:+44 (0)1603 767070

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Re: [Alug] Talking of IRC...
by MJ Ray 30 Apr '01

30 Apr '01

Brett Parker <brettp(a)stu.uea.ac.uk> writes: > Hybrid, its available from http://www.ircd-hybrid.org and you will want > beta3 which has a nearly english config file. We've tested ircu, dalnet, cyclone and unreal, but I have to agree with Brett's recommendation. Unreal is almost certainly only popular because it allows opers to play evil tricks on users. -- MJR

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Weekly IRC meeting reminder
by Adam Bower 30 Apr '01

30 Apr '01

This is the automated ALUG irc meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an irc meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.openprojects.net in the #alug channel, you can take a look at www.openprojects.net to get more info on the openprojects network. Popular irc clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and ircII on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.bitchx.com http://www.xchat.org http://freshmeat.net http://www.epicsol.org/ (for Brett!) Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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LinkSYS ethernet card under Linux (2)
by Ashley T. Howes 30 Apr '01

30 Apr '01

Sorry, the machine is running Mandrake 7.1, not 7.0 as originally stated. Ashley -- Dr Ashley T. Howes Ph.D. ashley(a)turton.com Internet Developer http://www.turton.com Turton Creative Marketing Solutions 23-27 St. Andrews Street, Norwich, Norfolk, NR2 4TP, UK Tel:+44 (0)1603 766888 Fax:+44 (0)1603 767070

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Re: [Alug] LinuxDay finale
by MJ Ray 29 Apr '01

29 Apr '01

David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> writes: > I think we will have people with CD burners coming, but what do we have > in the way of blanks. 0 atm, but I'll get a stack and bill someone for them. > Also have my books arrived? Yes. Lots. -- MJR

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RE: [Alug] When is next meeting and where is the next meeting
by John Woodard 29 Apr '01

29 Apr '01

>===== Original Message From David_freeman(a)rocketmail.com ===== >If you can't make tomorrow I was thinking about organizing another >event for the bank holiday at the end of the month, this would be held >somwhere in Ipswich. What do people think? I think it would be a good >idea for us to have a meeting at least once a month. We used to have a meeting on the third Sunday of every month alternating between Syleham and UEA but all things ALUG tend to slip into the background when people are busy. I'm quite happy to host a meeting @ Syleham every other month again and maybe we can fill the gaps in with meets @ UEA/wherever. Comments? See you all tomorrow. Cheers, BJ

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Sunday
by PleXeR 29 Apr '01

29 Apr '01

Ok everyone have a good day. I'm hoping to get there at about 3:30'ish to see how it's all going. Cheers, Ben

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Re: [Alug] When is next meeting and where is the next meeting
by MJ Ray 29 Apr '01

29 Apr '01

David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> writes: > It would appear some messages appear out of order, not sure why, > perhaps Mark can shead like on the subject. I'll "shed light" even. If replies are cc'd to the author, that will usually arrive before the copy from the list does. Messages themselves do not travel out of order, but sometimes local mail problems at your ISP can mean that mail 14 will arrive after mail 13 and things like that because of the retry intervals. > But we will be in the Hive bar of the Students union at the University > of East anglia, Norwich. A map is available through > http://www.anglia.lug.org.uk/ ITYM http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ or http://www.alug.org.uk/ which seems to be different at the moment, very irritatingly. -- MJR

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LinuxDay finale
by MJ Ray 29 Apr '01

29 Apr '01

I'm just panicking on two things really: a decent disclaimer and people. If anyone has thoughts on the former, please email me overnight so I can type it up, else I'll crib from wherever ;-) Oh, and I've a slight problem with debian CDs, so although I have images and should have more blanks tomorrow, if people are prepared to burn on the day, it would be a great help. -- MJR

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When is next meeting and where is the next meeting
by permanent＠altavista.net 28 Apr '01

28 Apr '01

The Title says it all I think, "When is next meeting and where is the next meeting" anyway I have yet to go to one of your meetings, now I am out of manchester I thought I should join my local linux users group. I have been using Linux since early 1998 but with no previous UNIX experiance still feel a little bit of a begginer, I am looking to get some C++/C work in UNIX as I have had my fill os Microsoft windows programming (Delphi was fine just the OS was a biit limited). I am currently writing my own Delphi Like classes in C++ for a project to get me familier with the language. Chears Owen S.

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Re: [Alug] IRC list
by MJ Ray 27 Apr '01

27 Apr '01

jo(a)yee-ha.demon.co.uk writes: > David Freeman - Akula > Neill "Bored" Newman - Scoobz > Jenny Hopkins - jenbass > Laurie Brown - brownowl > Jo Mitchell - futurshox > William Hill - Rufty > Bamir Hasani - CEPi > Andrew Savory - savs or ajs > Paul Tansom - WhaleTales > Chris Glover - Taral > Adam Bower - abower or quinophex > Mark J Ray - slef or slav or slaf > Jonathan Pulfer - miniman > Steve Fosdick - fozzy_ > Rob - daetelis > Ben - PleXeR or DOA > > Would BigJohn, Dave, rdc_louisd, xeno42, piemaster or Bitch care to > reveal themselves, perchance? ;) If people added web addresses to this list, I could link something to the "Members" link on the front page of the site. Just as soon as the site sorts its DNS out, that is. www.alug.org.uk and www.anglian.lug.org.uk currently disagree. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] sunday
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 27 Apr '01

27 Apr '01

> If you're not all ROFLing at the idea of needing identification amongst > these teeming hordes, may I offer the services of my printer and a handy > packet of labels? I want one! I want one! Hope it goes well on Sunday, don't drink too much beer before the eager clients come pouring in. Jenny.

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re small systems
by tom potts 27 Apr '01

27 Apr '01

http://sites.inka.de/lina/freefire-l/tools.html has quite a few links to small installations I think its section 16 you need Tom ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

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Re: [Alug] IRC list
by MJ Ray 26 Apr '01

26 Apr '01

Neill Newman <neill(a)entora.co.uk> writes: > when you say 'web' do you mean add our email addresses ?? or our webpage > address ?? (or both?)... When I say web, I mean web. To be extremely specific, the URL of your preferred personal web site home page. Posters up in King's Lynn computer shops. How about yours? -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] PPC Linux stuff for use on a Tivo
by MJ Ray 26 Apr '01

26 Apr '01

"Chris Glover" <chris(a)glovercc.clara.co.uk> writes: > Reason being, I have a Tivo and I want to add some more functions to it, eg http://www.tivofaq.com/ and http://www.tivoukfaq.com/ not working for you? ;-) -- MJR

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PPC Linux stuff for use on a Tivo
by Chris Glover 26 Apr '01

26 Apr '01

Hi, Does anybody know of a small Linux distro that will run on PPC processors? I only need small sections from it like gcc and perl. Reason being, I have a Tivo and I want to add some more functions to it, eg get it to generate a web page that tells me what it's recorded. OK, I know it's sad, when I could just use the menus, but it runs Linux...therefore it's hackable :-) Thanks Chris *************************************************************************** E Mail Chris(a)glovercc.clara.co.uk WWW http://www.glovercc.clara.co.uk ICQ 18054759 Someday, we'll look back on this, laugh nervously and change the subject. -Anon

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Re: [Alug] IRC list
by MJ Ray 25 Apr '01

25 Apr '01

jo(a)yee-ha.demon.co.uk writes: > Which web address for alug is the proper one to use, then, once the DNS > is sorted? I didn't realise it was changing. http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ is, was and remains the correct address to use. We've just moved from Martyn's bleeding-edge.net server to a drake.org.uk one and it's taking a while to update DNS, it seems. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Burst Peacock
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 25 Apr '01

25 Apr '01

Re.Poster: sorry a bit patchy, I'm not much good at that kind of stuff. Plus I'm in a hurry after being bored for ages - I sit here helplessly month after month having various "upgrades" done to my computer whether I want them or not....from win95 to Win98 to WinME, then Office 97 up to Office2000 which has just been installed and so far i am unable to administer my own database and it all seems to be operating at the speed of a slug. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. The installation has a GUI like a 5yr old's rendition of cubism. Needless to say we have a winNT server, which needless to say crashes on a regular basis. The word "linux" brings a sneer to the lips of the administrators, however, and I have to conduct my experiments in a furtive corner of my office. Rant over, back to work (if I can get anything to, that is...) Jen. PS.Glad u like cd, David. Turn up the bass.

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YAC number
by PleXeR 25 Apr '01

25 Apr '01

If you wish to have the YAC number redirected to someone for sunday so that people visiting the website can have a point of contact then let me know the number it needs to point at and I'll change it via the YAC website. Cheers, Ben

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any free seats for Norwich on Sunday please??
by CEPi 25 Apr '01

25 Apr '01

(i'm sending this again as it was on HTMl format and it was blocked..sorry:--) Ipswich----->Norwich for Linux day on 29'th?? If someone still got space on their cars for a poor student i would be most gratefull :--) I can bring 2 CD fresh Mandrake 8.0, a 10/100 Nic, a 5 port 10BaseT hub, 2 x cables and a Elsa external 56K modem. If someone is on dial-up 56K and is a Mandrake user and would like a Installation Mandrake CD , i'll burn it for them. cheers CEPi Ipswich

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test-- please ignoretest 1
by CEPi 25 Apr '01

25 Apr '01

test 1 CEPi

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Re: [Alug] poster
by MJ Ray 25 Apr '01

25 Apr '01

Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com writes: > 1. Is this the correct URL to use for map? > http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug No, http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ (being updated as we speak). > 2. Is this correct? Yes. Phone numbers tbc... sorry. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] IRC list
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 25 Apr '01

25 Apr '01

Jo, you've out-virgoed me! (list update). Does anyone know with mIRC what happens after the trial month? It strongly suggests I register, does this mean "pay money"? Thanks, Jen.

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IRC addresses ALUG
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 25 Apr '01

25 Apr '01

This is what we have so far. Any more to add? > David Freeman - Akula > Neill Newman - Scoobz > Jenny Hopkins - jenbass > Laurie Brown - brownowl > William Hill - Rufty > Andrew Savory - savs or ajs > Bamir Hasani - CEPi > Paul Tansom - WhaleTales > Chris Glover - Taral

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YAC Phone Number
by PleXeR 25 Apr '01

25 Apr '01

Ok people ALUG now has a YAC phone number which can be redirected to aid future events the numbers is 07092012026 but hasn't be redirected anywhere yet if the main contact for the groups would like to email me privately I will give them the pin number etc for the phone number. Hope this helps. Cheers, Ben

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press release
by jo＠yee-ha.demon.co.uk 24 Apr '01

24 Apr '01

Morning all, For your info I have just faxed the press release to the following papers: Saffron Walden Weekly News Haverhill Echo Newmarket Journal Cambridge Evening News I'm quite happy to fax others but didn't want to overlap with anyone else- if you want me to fax the East Anglian Daily Times/Eastern Daily Press/Bury Free Press then please tell me- I know Akula said he was going to, so I don't want to be sending them duplicates! Later, Jo -- <>-- jo mitchell ------- http://futurshox.net --------<> http://deskdemon.com | http://www.yee-ha.demon.co.uk Linux-powered! | mobile: +44 7974 219809 <>---------------------- icq#104771112 ---------------<>

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poster
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 24 Apr '01

24 Apr '01

Info needed: 1. Is this the correct URL to use for map? http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug 2. Is this correct? Bring your pC to Hive Bar Union House UEA Norwich from 2 pm - 6.30 pm on Sunday 29th 3. Phone number: contact number for information..........is?........ Is that all required? Butcher's apostrophe gone - surprised I missed it as they are one of my pet hates. Jen

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Delurk and HEEEEEEEEEELP!
by LxS 24 Apr '01

24 Apr '01

I hereby delurk, and notify you all of my capabilities: Nearly competent with Redhat/Mandrake Pure of knowledge of every other Linux distro Demon of programming; Perl, PHP, C, C++, Java, blah blah. More to the point, I'm studying CompSci at UEA and therefore know the place pretty well. If you want to know stuff about the venue, I can probably help. If I ever turn up to IRC, it will be as 'lxs' or possibly 'nuyen'. POTD (problem of the day): how the mail system works. There seems to be a lot of different options, which makes everything very confusing for a student of little brain. Mandrake automatically runs postfix, which would be fine, except I don't know what I need to set where so that it's magic happens. Eg what should I call my localhost.localdomain, since I connect via PPP? Incidentally, POYday was that when I dial with kppp, I get a message saying interface ppp0 not defined. But web works, so I +/- decided not to push my luck. POTDBT (anyone get it?) was installing X402/3 so I can get hardware OpenGL. Considering giving up totally as every time I try xdm/kdm get f*d. Help with any of the above gratefully received. Alexis ps. Hello, Ashley! -- "I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have" - T Jefferson Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow it may be illegal.

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Re: [Alug] IRC list
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 24 Apr '01

24 Apr '01

Paul: thanks for the link. Anyone: I still need a contact phone number for our poster, btw - David, any ideas, shall i put your number? And confirmation of the uRL. I'm only here till 2.30 today, so need to get it done and dusted. Jen.

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Modems......may be of use on Sunday
by Earl Brannigan 24 Apr '01

24 Apr '01

Hi all Just a quickie to let you know (may be of use for Sunday...) I have an Ambient PCI 56k Ham Modem (Ham = Host Accellerated Modem - methinks). When I bought it (some 6 months ago) I was assured it was a fully fledged hardware modem..... Well its not! It uses the cpu for a couple of things, though it is not a true Winmodem in that sense. Anyways..it is bloody popular amongst windoze users....cheap you see. I finally got it working last night on a red-hat 6.2 running kernel 2.2.16-3 (and stepped up to decent speed in web surfing in the process), here's how : 1) downloaded the driver source from : http://developer.intel.com/design/modems/support/drivers/r-333-5.htm 2) unzipped it then followed the intructions in the readme (make clean; make all; make install). Which compiled and installed the kernel module drivers... (requires kernel headers for current kernel, NB, not yet compatible with 2.4 kernel/ppp arrangements) I believe it also depends on gnome libraries - has something to do with the regional settings for the modem, though it won't die if you don't have them you will just need an extra init parameter .... see below. 3) called the start script for it :(red hat, other distros may differ here) $> /etc/rc.d/init.d/hamboot start (options are [start|stop|restart]) which loads the modules and makes a node /dev/ham as a character device. 4) created a symlink from ttyS3 (any ttyS will do - this step is not necessary unless you wish to use wvdial to autoconfigure...): $>ln -s /dev/ham /dev/ttyS3 5)ran wvdial configuration : $>wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf (for existing config file - my case) or $>wvdialconf create (I think this is correct for no pre-existing file.....undocumented!) Alternatively (easier) under gnome run the internet->dial-up configuration tool and under the modem tab select auto-configure. both methods will iterate through /dev/ttyS* looking for modems. When it finds the modem set it as default. .... One final thing : edit /etc/wvdial.conf and either add an extra init string AT+GCI=b4 which initialises to modem UK (whether this is required depends on the gnome libraries default). I succeeded by commenting out the area code entry for the dial-up in wvdial.conf and put the whole number into the phone number field. This all assumes that you have dial-up account details. At the command line type wvdial <dialup account> or under X run the 'network monitor' app under the internet menu, then click the region entitled <dial up account name> and off you go. Apparently it has been tested on all major distros and works well.... there is a little caveat for debian users I think but that's covered in the readme file. Hope this is of use. Cheers Earl PS Apolos for any typos/inaccuracies, I'm writing this at work, from memory. PPS Can't say how bloody chuffed I am that intel have done this, finally, they deserve a little award! Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. (Albert Einstein)

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Re: [Alug] IRC list
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 24 Apr '01

24 Apr '01

>Yes it does, if anyone knows of a free and easy (probably mutually >exclusive in the windows world!) to use Windows client I'll >change the reminder to reflect this. All the more reason to concentrate on getting a working modem, and getting connected, using my linux box rather than my windows at home, then, I guess! I'm looking to swap my diamond non-linux for a US Robotics a friend has, just confirming it is supported model before i do it, though. Found a nice page http://members.tripod.co.uk/uk_radio_amateurs/modemlin.html that lists stuff. Jen.

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RE: [Alug] freedom.... and other things
by Earl Brannigan 24 Apr '01

24 Apr '01

Sorry everyone... I've been flamed for this in the past on other sites - slashdot springs to mind. It is the standard footer we send out on all our emails and I often forget to delete it when posting 'personals'. Apologies again Will try not to let it happen again. Cheers Earl On 24 April 2001 11:17, Adam Bower [SMTP:abower@zeus.com] wrote: > On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Earl Brannigan wrote: > > > Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not > > sure about the former. > > (Albert Einstein) > > Copyright Linden House Software Ltd. > > The information in this email is confidential and may be legally > > privileged. > > It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone +Loads more lines of waffle > > Hi Earl, > > As I am a complete pain in the arse type of person! I am going to moan > about your signature. 14 lines is a little long especially without > sigdashes in it. Note I am not flaming or anything, it just seems a little > excessive to me so please take no offence from this. > > Thanks > Adam > -- > Adam Bower, <abower(a)zeus.com> Tel: +44 1223 525000 > System Administrator Fax: +44 1223 525100 > Zeus Technology Ltd http://www.zeus.com > Zeus House, Cowley Road Cambridge CB4 0ZT England

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RE: [Alug] IRC list
by Pete Turner 24 Apr '01

24 Apr '01

Hi, piemaster is me, list lurker and occasional meeting attendee. Pete Turner Wheel Solutions Ltd Tel: 01284 717132 Email: pst(a)wsl.uk.com http://www.wheel-solutions.com -----Original Message----- From: jo(a)yee-ha.demon.co.uk [mailto:jo@yee-ha.demon.co.uk] Sent: 24 April 2001 10:46 To: alug Subject: [Alug] IRC list Morning again, Here's a further updated IRC list: David Freeman - Akula Neill "Bored" Newman - Scoobz Jenny Hopkins - jenbass Laurie Brown - brownowl Jo Mitchell - futurshox William Hill - Rufty Bamir Hasani - CEPi Andrew Savory - savs or ajs Paul Tansom - WhaleTales Chris Glover - Taral Adam Bower - abower or quinophex Mark J Ray - slef or slav or slaf Jonathan Pulfer - miniman Steve Fosdick - fozzy_ Rob - daetelis Ben - PleXeR or DOA Would BigJohn, Dave, rdc_louisd, xeno42, piemaster or Bitch care to reveal themselves, perchance? ;) Later, Jo -- <>-- jo mitchell ------- http://futurshox.net --------<> http://deskdemon.com | http://www.yee-ha.demon.co.uk Linux-powered! | mobile: +44 7974 219809 <>---------------------- icq#104771112 ---------------<> _______________________________________________ alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug See the website for instructions on digest or unsub!

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freedom.... and other things
by Earl Brannigan 24 Apr '01

24 Apr '01

Hi David - thanks for the post. I Hope to be there Sunday but I'm not sure I can make it until saturday (I may be visiting my friend who works at GCHQ as it goes......wife and kids thing I'm afraid...... feel like a bit if a cry-off after all I just been saying......) Am digesting your further comments. cheers Earl Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. (Albert Einstein) Copyright Linden House Software Ltd. The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. When addressed to our clients any opinions or advice contained in this email are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing Linden House Software client engagement letter. Earl Brannigan Linden House Software LTD Linden House Gazeley Newmarket Suffolk CB8 8RD Tel : 01638 750780 Mobile : 07940 280492 Email : earl.brannigan(a)lindenhouse.co.uk

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IRC list
by jo＠yee-ha.demon.co.uk 24 Apr '01

24 Apr '01

Morning again, Here's a further updated IRC list: David Freeman - Akula Neill "Bored" Newman - Scoobz Jenny Hopkins - jenbass Laurie Brown - brownowl Jo Mitchell - futurshox William Hill - Rufty Bamir Hasani - CEPi Andrew Savory - savs or ajs Paul Tansom - WhaleTales Chris Glover - Taral Adam Bower - abower or quinophex Mark J Ray - slef or slav or slaf Jonathan Pulfer - miniman Steve Fosdick - fozzy_ Rob - daetelis Ben - PleXeR or DOA Would BigJohn, Dave, rdc_louisd, xeno42, piemaster or Bitch care to reveal themselves, perchance? ;) Later, Jo -- <>-- jo mitchell ------- http://futurshox.net --------<> http://deskdemon.com | http://www.yee-ha.demon.co.uk Linux-powered! | mobile: +44 7974 219809 <>---------------------- icq#104771112 ---------------<>

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Re: [Alug] Telephone Numbers
by MJ Ray 23 Apr '01

23 Apr '01

"PleXeR" <ben(a)plextech.co.uk> writes: > These numbers are only about £5.00, what does everyone think? Get one from www.yac.com instead? 07092 but free to the user. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Archives
by MJ Ray 23 Apr '01

23 Apr '01

David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> writes: > Being an idiot I have lost the address of the archives. No you didn't. See below. > Could someone please remind me of the address. [...] > http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug [snip] Looks like it's there for me. -- MJR

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Telephone Numbers
by PleXeR 23 Apr '01

23 Apr '01

Hi all first post from me ;o) I was just having a chat with akula on IRC and we thought that it would be a good idea if the group had a contact phone number so I suggested something like an 07050 number which can be redirected to any number you wish so different people could take turns manning the hotline as it were. These numbers are only about £5.00, what does everyone think? Cheers, Ben

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Re: [Alug] IRC Stuff.
by MJ Ray 23 Apr '01

23 Apr '01

Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com writes: > > David Freeman - Akula > > Neill Newman - Scoobz > > Jenny Hopkins - jenbass > > Laurie Brown - brownowl > > William Hill - Rufty > > Andrew Savory - savs or ajs > > Bamir Hasani - CEPi > > Paul Tansom - WhaleTales > > Chris Glover - Taral > > Adam Bower - abower or quinophex > > Jo Mitchell - futurshox I'm slef, slav or slaf and countless variations on it. -- MJR

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[Fwd: Re: [Alug] Linuxday April 29th]
by jo＠yee-ha.demon.co.uk 23 Apr '01

23 Apr '01

> > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [Alug] Linuxday April 29th > Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 14:54:10 -0700 (PDT) > From: David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> > Reply-To: David_freeman(a)rocketmail.com > To: alug <alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk> > > All, > > As you should now be aware we are just seven days away from National > Linux day (NLD). Mark, you should hopefully have received all the CD's. > Has this happened? I have a list of a few people who can help with > installs but could do with more. Also I have a 2 willing volunteers for > the biscuits (Jo and Steve) :o) Biscuits I can handle, but what is happening with tea/coffee/beer? Someone mentioned a bar (woo!), but do we need to provide other drinks? I've not been to Norwich before (ever!) so do not know what is there or not... Jo

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Freedom
by Earl Brannigan 23 Apr '01

23 Apr '01

Attempting to respond to all-in-one here so bare with me.... > Toby Jaffey<toby(a)earth.li> wrote > > I'm sick of being held to ransom by the big corporates. But its no suprise. > > Democracy is a misnomer. Little people don't get heard while the big > > corporates have more lobbyists than there are MPs MEPs etc to lobby. > > What would you suggest instead? > Vote anarchy? > Rule by benevolent dictator? Hi Toby, Dunno about 'voting' anarchy, by definition there would be nobody to vote for or any voting system...? However I take your point. Currently what we have is not Democracy (Rulership by the Demos) but a form of autocracy in which we (the Demos) get to vote for a new/continued autocrat every few years. Democracy is supposed to be about the 'will of the people' whatever that is... What I personally would like to see is an end to corporate lobbyism. Since a corporation is not by definition or otherwise a member of the Demos it should thus have no say in a democracy. Now I know all the chestnuts for this line but the bottom line is that we the demos are not represented as extensively as corps. This is un-democratic. > Toby Jaffey<toby(a)earth.li> wrote > > Mostly however I will attempt to stay within the land of the 'free', a > > growing world. So when someone comes along with a proprietary restricive > > DVD software for Linux I'll say "No Thanks". > > Ok, but most people will gladly accept it. I've done a lot of support > and bits of random code for the Xine project (a GPL'd mpeg2/dvd player > for linux). People just want something that works, lots of people have > said that they'd willingly buy LinDVD if/when it ever happens, just to > have something that works properly. > > In my experience "the masses" want things that work and are willing to > pay for them and are more than willing to give up freedoms to get them. Unless they realise (through education etc) that they are giving up freedoms, and the implications for those freedoms and their other life choices by giving up those freedoms, and have a choice to take options that work without compromising those freedoms. This is what 'Free Software' etc is about, as we all know. Freedom to do what you like without the ability to restrict those freedoms for others. It is a bit of a concept shift that is difficult to grasp at first, especially when being FUD-ed (what odds on a 'DecCSS can break your DVDs' story in the future?). > David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> wrote > So niave, you mean to say you thought we actually got a say in hwat > happens. The only way that happens is by donating lots of money to th > goverment, witness Burny Ecelstone(sp?) Hi again David No, never once beleived we get a say, that is my point. Doesn't matter who I donate a vote to it doesn't give me any input into the process of decision making. > > > David you ask what we can do. > > The only thing one can do is to stick to open, non-copyrighted stuff > > as far > > as practical. > David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> wrote > Yes I agree, But I am but a drop in th ocean. No one will listen to me. > My blank refusal to by a DVD player until region encoding is removed > has lost the DVD companies practically nothing. > > > Boycott those which seek to restrict your choices as both a citizen > > and a > > consumer. > > Thats fine in theory, but I am only one, and with those on the list, we > make up less than one percent of 1 percent of the voting population. True, which is why we need to pull together on it. To me there will be two kinds of people who take a stand on this sort of thing. Those who boycott altogether and those who will continue to crack, use DecCSS or whatever to protect their right to proper use. Either way if enough people do it then it will have an effect. There are myriads of options for making it downright difficult to enforce this sort of thing. Eg. I have been involved in the past in counter-cult work, where a large religious cult (talk about multi-national corps, this one is the largest real-estate developer and the largest publisher in the world... and it's a charity!!!) was trying to shut down web sites which were critical of it. This org is not short of a few bob. They soon gave up because chasing down the ever-moving domains/mirrors, contacting ISPs, beginning legal action, discovering they had moved again etc, became impossible. Of course with the reduction in 'free' ISPs worldwide such a method might not be so easy in future. But you see my point? Frustrating efforts, spoiling tactics, that sort of thing. > David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> wrote > RIP bill is a classic example of this. Indeed! I have a friend who works at GCHQ. Its funny talking to him about work because he's not allowed to tell you anything about what he does.... So the other day he says he's really busy bcuz he's got tons to do for some new thing being introduced... trying to be vague or what!. Nearly fell off his chair when I said "Yeah I bet that RIP act has got your lot busy as hell!". > This is great in theory, but for most things the market is several > millions of people and we are just a handful. For now yes, dissenters in this area are just a handful, but as the number of 'free' software users increases, and exposure to this way of thinking also increases, so will the number of dissenters. Especially if we don't all shrug our shoulders and let this matter go away, but keep it 'on the agenda' as it were so that newcomers can also pick up on it. David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> wrote > Quite true, we need to get the ball to start rolling, this is one of > the reason I have been pushing NLD. The ball is already rolling, we just need to keep it that way. Sorry, probably being a thick but what's NLD? cheers all. admin : please don't curtail this one yet. Earl

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IRC Stuff.
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 23 Apr '01

23 Apr '01

> David Freeman - Akula > Neill Newman - Scoobz > Jenny Hopkins - jenbass > Laurie Brown - brownowl > William Hill - Rufty > Andrew Savory - savs or ajs > Bamir Hasani - CEPi > Paul Tansom - WhaleTales > Chris Glover - Taral > Adam Bower - abower or quinophex > Jo Mitchell - futurshox

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[Fwd: Re: [Alug] IRC addresses ALUG]
by jo＠yee-ha.demon.co.uk 23 Apr '01

23 Apr '01

> > This is what we have so far. Any more to add? > > > > > David Freeman - Akula > > > Neill Newman - Scoobz > > > Jenny Hopkins - jenbass > > > Laurie Brown - brownowl > > > William Hill - Rufty > > > Andrew Savory - savs or ajs > > > Bamir Hasani - CEPi > > > Paul Tansom - WhaleTales > > > Chris Glover - Taral > > Adam Bower - abower or sometimes (though probably not alug) quinophex /me realises lack of actual contribution to this list Jo Mitchell - futurshox :)

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Re: [Fwd: [Alug] Weekly IRC meeting reminder]
by Chris Glover 23 Apr '01

23 Apr '01

Hi... Depending on how the traffic is tonioght... I'll be known as Taral :-) > Chris > _______________________________________________________________________ > > Chris Glover | Change Control Co-ordinator, Broadcast Systems Engineer, > Playout Areas > > BBC Technology | Room 3077 | BBC Television Centre | Wood Lane | W12 7RJ | > UK > > W: +44 (0)20 857 61629 F: +44 (0)20 857 60098 M: +44 (0)7977 > 420828 > > http://www.bbctechnology.com > This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC, unless specifically stated.

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Re: [Fwd: [Alug] Weekly IRC meeting reminder]
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 23 Apr '01

23 Apr '01

Hey, I've had a good idea - why don't we use our ORDINARY NAMES! and make life easy! Hee hee. We've got David Freeman - Akula Neill "Bored" Newman - Scoobz Jenny Hopkins - jenbass

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[Fwd: [Alug] Weekly IRC meeting reminder]
by jo＠yee-ha.demon.co.uk 23 Apr '01

23 Apr '01

Did anyone ever get anywhere with that list of (people==IRC nicks) that was being talked about a while ago? Just curious, as I still haven't worked out who everyone is! ;) Jo -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Alug] Weekly IRC meeting reminder Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 06:00:02 +0100 From: Adam Bower <abower(a)zeus.com> To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk This is the automated ALUG irc meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an irc meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm.

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Weekly IRC meeting reminder
by Adam Bower 23 Apr '01

23 Apr '01

This is the automated ALUG irc meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an irc meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.openprojects.net in the #alug channel, you can take a look at www.openprojects.net to get more info on the openprojects network. Popular irc clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and ircII on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.bitchx.com http://www.xchat.org http://freshmeat.net Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Re: [Alug] Network Woes! (Telehouse networking)
by MJ Ray 22 Apr '01

22 Apr '01

It definitely sounds like the switch isn't detecting new devices properly. There could be something else, but you don't really want to do forensics (replace bits until things work) on it at this location. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] I have achieved the impossible.
by MJ Ray 22 Apr '01

22 Apr '01

David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> writes: > PS I thought making a sun box running solaris was impossible to crash > but managed that one recently as well! No, that's actually very very easy if you know the right (wrong?) way to stroke it. It's also possible to leave it functioning but in various states of unrecoverable brokenness, thanks to the modular nature of most Unix systems. The admin tools and documentation seem rather primitive compared to Linux's, yet are incredibly over-engineered. Basically, it's bizarre. ;-) -- MJR

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Desperate Apache Problem!
by Mark Wilkinson 21 Apr '01

21 Apr '01

One of our RedHat servers decided it wasn't going to play ball this morning (worthy of another email on exactly this subject actually) but as an upshot of this, I've had to move several websites to another server that is being good. So... ftp'ed the websites to the other server and cut-n-pasted the apache config file etc. After fidding around a bit have managed to get everything up and running -except- for two virtual domains which aren't behaving themselves. As it happens, these two domains are on both 80 and 443 (SSL). When I access them, I get an HTTP 302 which I don't really understand. All the other domains are working fine. Have examined the logs and used telnet to connect to port 80 to see exactly what headers etc are coming back. Normally, a 302 should give a URL to redirect to, which in this case is "http://" without any other info. Weird. Any ideas/clues - am getting very frustrated now? Cheers. Mark W. PS. apache 1.3.14 w mod_ssl 2.5.1 and mod_php4.0.4pl1

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Re: [Alug] can anyone help with installing a driver?
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 21 Apr '01

21 Apr '01

>I always thought that the "modconf" program would do it all for you? >It was pretty straight forward when I installed the same network card. It seems to do much the same things as insmod, on looking at the man page. I don't think I've done a single thing that has been "straightforward" since i started doing linux.....makes me suspicious. Perhaps i should stick to being a musician.

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Network Woes!
by Mark Wilkinson 21 Apr '01

21 Apr '01

OK, Here's another one for you experts out there. We've got a 24 port hub/switch in telehouse which is connected to a router. We've got several machines connected up and they are running great. No problems. Excellent connectivity. One of our guys goes down to London yesterday and swops a network card in one of the boxes and installs a fresh new RedHat box in the cabinet for us to play with. Things start to go weird.. The box with the new network card in it and the totally new box can see all the other machines on the subnet and they can see each other. Fine up to now. So.. I try to telnet into these boxes from home (NTL dialup modem) and can't access them. I can access all the other machines on that subnet no problem but not those two machines. In addition, those two machines can't see the router that's attached to the hub. I'm running no clever firewalling or anything on any of those machines. My thoughts are that the switch is misbehaving and is about to smoke or that the router is selectively ignoring certain addresses... Any other thoughts on this? Cheers. Mark W.

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Re: [Alug] can anyone help with installing a driver?
by MJ Ray 20 Apr '01

20 Apr '01

Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com writes: > So does it make sense to create a directory called 3c509 and put the same > info in it and run update-modules? How does update-modules know that it now > edits in from the new 3c509 file rather than the ne file, if so? Personally, I'd make a file and check over the "aliases" file too for good measure. Grep for ne in there if you want to be really sure. > I'm in a "groan, this is all too hard" mood today. man update-modules seems to say as much as there is, but I can't believe that of Debian... it's probably in a manual somewhere too. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] can anyone help with installing a driver?
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 20 Apr '01

20 Apr '01

>Personally, I'd make a file and check over the "aliases" file too for >good measure. Grep for ne in there if you want to be really sure. Yep, I made the 3c509 file, ran the update modules, and sure as eggs it has picked it up. However, somewhere the card is still bound to ne.....not in aliases, not in modules.conf.....so when I try to bring up eth0 it is telling me "ne.c: No NE*000 card found at i/o=0x2a0 eth0: unknown interface: No such device"........anyone have any idea? Thanks, Jenny.

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can anyone help with installing a driver?
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 20 Apr '01

20 Apr '01

Hi All, I've swapped my DLink net card for a 3com509B to see if I can get better results. I've got as far as loading the necessary 3c509 driver and associating it with eth0, rather than the previous ne driver. However, being unfamiliar with Debian I am not sure as to how to go about changing the modules.conf......in /etc/modutils I have a directory called ne, and in this I edited the address and alias eth0 lines to suit, then ran update-modules. So does it make sense to create a directory called 3c509 and put the same info in it and run update-modules? How does update-modules know that it now edits in from the new 3c509 file rather than the ne file, if so? I'm in a "groan, this is all too hard" mood today. Thanks, Jenny.

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Re : Weird FTP Problem
by Mark Wilkinson 20 Apr '01

20 Apr '01

Just did an "ifconfig -a" on this machine and got these results... lo Link encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Bcast:127.255.255.255 Mask:255.0.0.0 UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:3924 Metric:1 RX packets:768631 errors:15310 dropped:0 overruns:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:768631 eth0 Link encap:10Mbps Ethernet HWaddr 00:01:02:57:DD:B5 inet addr:213.254.160.138 Bcast:213.254.160.191 Mask:255.255.255.192 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:2147483647 errors:17121303 dropped:0 overruns:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:191986865 Interrupt:12 Base address:0x6c00 eth0:1 Link encap:10Mbps Ethernet HWaddr 00:01:02:57:DD:B5 inet addr:213.254.160.140 Bcast:213.254.160.191 Mask:255.255.255.192 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 Interrupt:12 Base address:0x6c00 Who thinks this is a dodgy network card (see overruns on eth0)? Mark W. BTW : Looks like I was wrong about this machine having a 100meg card in it!

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Weird FTP Problem - any ideas guys??
by Mark Wilkinson 20 Apr '01

20 Apr '01

Well, here I am de-lurking at last! Have got a really infuriating problem with no clues on how to solve it. Have got two Redhat machines, one is 6.2, the other is 7.0. They are on the same network with a 100 meg hub between them. They both have 100meg network cards. I'm trying to ftp a 70meg file from the 6.2 box to the 7.0 box. I would expect the the transfer to take a matter of seconds but it takes an eternity and seems to get slower and slower as it progresses we're talking transfer rates of < 1K here. I'm totally stumped as to what is causing this and need some kind of tool to analyse the problem and work out what is going wrong here. Any ideas about this please? Cheers. Mark Wilkinson IT Manager Triad Internet Blue Triangle Hosting http://www.triad-internet.co.uk http://www.bluetriangle.net

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Re: [Alug] Unix File sharing
by David Freeman 19 Apr '01

19 Apr '01

--- Neill Newman <neill(a)entora.co.uk> wrote: > Adam Bower wrote: > > > > On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, David Freeman wrote: > > > > > Can any one make some recommendations as to the best and most > secure > > > method of sharing files under unix. Th machines are behind a > firewall, > > > but sat in the DMZ, so we want th minimium number of ports to be > left > > > open. > > > > Use NFS and make sure that you have it configured properly and > don't allow > > any NFS traffic through your routers. > > most secure method is definatly not NFS !! use samba instead... Is this being serious(thats not sarcasm, its a genuine question)? I thought that samba was a MS based protocol and as such was as secure as a wet paper bag? Is it really better than NFS? if it is I will remove the NFS from the plan as samba may be used for the nt support. Thanks D > Sz > > > > > Adam > > -- > > Adam Bower, <abower(a)zeus.com> Tel: +44 1223 525000 > > System Administrator Fax: +44 1223 525100 > > Zeus Technology Ltd http://www.zeus.com > > Zeus House, Cowley Road Cambridge CB4 0ZT England > > > > _______________________________________________ > > alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list > > Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > > http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug > > See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! > > -- > Open source solutions at http://www.entora.co.uk/ > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/x-pkcs7-signature name=smime.p7s __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Re: [Alug] Poster Worries From A Virgo
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 19 Apr '01

19 Apr '01

http://argosaa.tripod.com/alug/index.html Need to know if more info is necessary (if so WHAT?!!!) and if anyone can print them nice and cheaply, if so how many and who shall they be sent to for distribution.

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Poster Worries From A Virgo
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 19 Apr '01

19 Apr '01

>Like the poster Jen....!t Um, on following the URL for the poster I see the text hasn't been edited in the middle section yet, - think we need to put in the where's, when's and wherefore's before we print and distribute? A time would be pretty essential. David, did you get anyone to print any yet? I have a colour printer at home, but from experience of printing band posters it is a costly project. Lake District a bit grim at the moment.

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Re: [Alug] Freedom
by MJ Ray 18 Apr '01

18 Apr '01

David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> writes: > > > admin : please don't curtail this one yet. > > Nuffink to do wi me, guv. These things run themselves mostly. > Who is the admin for the list? de facto me since MartynD started bouncing email for a bit ages ago (and he's mostly left the area now anyway), but some others can modify things too. -- MJR

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NLD (Shouldn't that be LID?)
by Earl Brannigan 18 Apr '01

18 Apr '01

Like the poster Jen....! Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. (Albert Einstein)

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Re: [Alug] Freedom
by MJ Ray 18 Apr '01

18 Apr '01

Earl Brannigan <earl.brannigan(a)lindenhouse.co.uk> writes: > Sorry, probably being a thick but what's NLD? National Linux Day, I guess. Another thing succumbs to UEA TLA disease. What's the state of the todo list now? I'll hopefully get the material from LinuxSure tomorrow, but we still need a decent disclaimer for people to sign and some other suitable printed material. There's a press release nearing ready to go, I understand, and there's reportedly a poster out there which I'd love a copy of (Hint Hint). > admin : please don't curtail this one yet. Nuffink to do wi me, guv. These things run themselves mostly. -- MJR

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LinuxDay promo
by MJ Ray 16 Apr '01

16 Apr '01

I've set the reply-to accordingly, so if someone would write a short piece on what we're doing, it should go to the list and Denny for the article. This is a good opportunity to promote the LUG and help a new UK-based magazine site. Of course, my involvement in both doesn't colour my opinion ;-) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:16:07 +0100 (BST) From: Denny <denny(a)concretecow.com> This is an excerpt from a mail on the developers' list for the about-to-launch open source website Think Open (www.thinkopen.co.uk) which grew from the ashes of the LinuxUK website... I'd like to hear comments etc... I'm willing to co-ordinate the snippets and write them up into an article if everyone wants to mail them to me? We could do a follow-up afterward as well, that could be quite good... Thoughts? Denny - --------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 09:03:56 +0100 Reply-To: linuxuk-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net To: linuxuk-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [ThinkOpen-devel] Manifesto Instead of just looking for HOWTO articles for the opening, why not add loadsa stuff about what the UK lugs are planning for LinuxDay (10 days now). Get each LUG organiser to write 10 lines describing what they are planning and put it into one article. Perhaps we might get them to write a full article, I dunno. -- MJR

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Weekly IRC meeting reminder
by Adam Bower 16 Apr '01

16 Apr '01

This is the automated ALUG irc meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an irc meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.openprojects.net in the #alug channel, you can take a look at www.openprojects.net to get more info on the openprojects network. Popular irc clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and ircII on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.bitchx.com http://www.xchat.org http://freshmeat.net Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Re: [Alug] Unix File sharing
by MJ Ray 14 Apr '01

14 Apr '01

Adam Bower <abower(a)zeus.com> writes: > Aah, you have mentioned the unmentionable, I wouldn't use linux as a NFS > server ever! I would recommend that you use Solaris for NFS as Sun > invented NFS (at work we say definitivly broken) it is the reference > platform for other *nix. Linux is a great NFS client though... Oddly enough, the kernel nfs in Linux 2.2 has been better for me than the Solaris implementation in 2.5.1 and 2.6. Solaris 7 and 8 are better than 2.2, so I'm hoping that the 2.4 kernels will level things up again. The non-kernel nfs server isn't worth using, though, and in most cases you should use rsize=8192,wsize=8192. Now I've rebuilt this machine, I'm off to play with ext3 (mangled /home, here we come!). Any last words of advice? -- MJR

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[Various] Digested Articles
by MJ Ray 13 Apr '01

13 Apr '01

spam4u Topics: [lugmaster] jolt cola [uklugs] Linux training Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 15:49:12 +0100 (BST) From: Mark Lewis <mark(a)tuxbox.net> Subject: [lugmaster] jolt cola fyi i have now got jolt cola in the linux shop at www.linuxshop.co.uk/jolt.php Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:57:15 +0100 From: Clive Gould <Clive(a)bromley.ac.uk> Subject: [uklugs] Linux training We are offering evening training in the Fundamentals of System Administration (following the syllabus for LPI exam 101) starting on April 23rd at Bromley College. The url for details is http://www.bromley.ac.uk/linux/fundamentals.htm Please could you let anybody who might be interested know? Thanks very much Clive Gould

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Re: [Alug] RE: alug digest, Vol 1 #194 - 16 msgs
by MJ Ray 13 Apr '01

13 Apr '01

David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> writes: > [...] What did people think of the Poster Jenny Did? I think Its > quite good. Can anyone print off some copies? I'm not sure I've seen that poster. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] networking probs
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 12 Apr '01

12 Apr '01

Fantastic! Ifconfig now shows eth0 rather than dummy0: - io address was 0x2a0. Thanks, I would never had known to change that. tcpdump now showing host jenny/TCL unreachable, no other traffic showing. netstat -rn shows 192.168.11.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U eth0 tcpdump does show at the end "eth0 > arp who-has jenny/TCL tell TRX850/TCL (0:80:c8:78:42:bf)" after using lo to ping its own IP address. Thanks all. My problem has moved on and up. Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] RE: alug digest, Vol 1 #194 - 16 msgs
by MJ Ray 12 Apr '01

12 Apr '01

Toby Jaffey <toby(a)earth.li> writes: > In my experience "the masses" want things that work and are willing to > pay for them and are more than willing to give up freedoms to get them. Paying for software and giving up freedoms are not mutually exclusive, IMO. Sadly, many people don't even realise that they have the freedoms which they are invited to surrender for no cost benefit. Education is the only way forwards. Anyone to write a "Why Free?" poster text for LinuxDay? -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Unix File sharing
by MJ Ray 12 Apr '01

12 Apr '01

David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> writes: > a wet paper bag? Is it really better than NFS? if it is I will remove > the NFS from the plan as samba may be used for the nt support. If samba is going to be used anyway and you want per-user sharing, might as well use it, I guess. No sense running more services than needed. I don't know how the performance compares. -- MJR

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RE: alug digest, Vol 1 #194 - 16 msgs
by Earl Brannigan 12 Apr '01

12 Apr '01

Hi All, Sorry to all and sundry if this has nothing at all to do with the remit of ALUG. Please however spare me the flames. This is the sort of thing that really pisses me off. The reason I switched to Linux in the first place was one thing ... freedom. I'm sick of being held to ransom by the big corporates. But its no suprise. Democracy is a misnomer. Little people don't get heard while the big corporates have more lobbyists than there are MPs MEPs etc to lobby. Since when did a company vote? When did a company campaign for human rights? When did a company die on a battlefield protecting those rights? David you ask what we can do. The only thing one can do is to stick to open, non-copyrighted stuff as far as practical. Boycott those which seek to restrict your choices as both a citizen and a consumer. These things are snuck in very quietly, with cleverly orchestrated lead ups to convince people that these are good things. Thereby "protecting people's intellectual property" (a noble good thing to do) becomes necessary due to the 'high speed, rapidly changing knowledge economy" (something we all are a part of like it or not) but results in restrictions on choice and liberty being introduced by stealth - and nobody notices. For me, I will continue to exercise what I consider to be essential human freedoms - if that puts me in a position 'outside of the law' then so be it. Everyone must be their own master in this. I will support organisations such as Free Software Foundation which is involved in trying to prevent Software and Business Process patents from being enacted creating a complete minefield for anyone considering a software solution. Mostly however I will attempt to stay within the land of the 'free', a growing world. So when someone comes along with a proprietary restricive DVD software for Linux I'll say "No Thanks". If enough people say no thanks then the market (the only thing the Coporates Understand) will become the advocate of the free, supplying a voice to the dissenters. This is why things like National Linux Day are good. Getting people to begin thinking in 'free, open' terms can be like rescuing them from a cult. For me the past few years with GNU/Linux has opened up a whole world that I never realised existed. A rich environment that reciprocates in an almost altruistic manner. For me this is priceless, and the more people that realise this, get involved and make it work the better. When people aren't buying and aren't caring you can bet that the big guys will take note. Eg. Napster.....Sod off Bertelsmann or whatever your name is, You can spend as many millions as you like trying to shut them down, but its already too late... enough have tasted that even if Napster disappears, thousands more are waiting in the wings to step in to the breach. The Snowball to Snowman analogy is true. It takes loads of effort to make a snowman, but you expend 80% in the first few rolls trying to get the snow to gather, but once the ball has enough weight you just have to keep it moving forward, growth will take care of itself. So that's all we need to do, keep this thing moving, keep the debates open, keep raising the issues, keep convincing people that free is good, it's here. Final word has to go to Soren Aabye Kierkegaard "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." I'm climbing off my soapbox now. Sorry again if this is waffle to you all. Best Regards Earl Message: 14 > Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:34:50 -0700 (PDT) > From: David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> > Reply-To: David_freeman(a)rocketmail.com > To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > Subject: [Alug] A dark day for freedom > > All, > > For those of you who read slashdot will have seen the reference to the > following article. > > http://europa.eu.int/comm/internal_market/en/intprop/intprop/news/copyri ght.htm#4 > > the way I understand this is that it is now illegal to circumvent copy > protection on media, such as the norwegain student(jon johassan I > think) did last year to the DVD spec. This is a very dark day if I have > understood this right. The big companies are the winners in this case > and it posses a massive threat to linux, under this act, it could be > illegal for us to use DeCSS, and it certainly will be when the DVD > replacement arives. This leaves me with a question, what can we do > about it? our rights are steadily being eroded, the RIP bill etc... yet > these bills are being snuck in very quietly. Can anyone suggest a > course of action to prevent this from continueing? > > Thanks > > D > > __________________________________________________

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Re: [Alug] Unix File sharing
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 12 Apr '01

12 Apr '01

>If you are using any win98 (or MS machines that use encrypted password >authentication), be sure to read the documents that come with samba, I >got caught out by this 'feature' a few months ago ;).. Check out all the help I got on it last month from the alug in the archives - lots of troubleshooting there. (Not that I got it working,but that doesn't mean anything!!!). Good weekend, all, I'm off to the Lakes to see the folks. Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] networking probs
by MJ Ray 12 Apr '01

12 Apr '01

Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com writes: > I've edited it to show "eth0" in place of dummy0 now. Can I do it like > that? (I'll find out!) That's a good start, I think. > I think I can officially say I am bewildered now. Don't worry. You've just not got your eth0 driver around just yet. Getting warmer, though. > Using ifconfig to try and bring up eth0 shows > eth0: unknown interface: No such device > ne.c: No NE*000 card found at i/o = 0x300 > Anyone? OK, the io address in that ne options line is wrong, then. At least, the card doesn't answer to 0x300. You can either try to find out what it should be (Did it work in the old OS? Did you note its settings down?), or play around a bit until it works. 0x280, 290, 2a0, 2b0, ... ... 0x330. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] networking probs
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 12 Apr '01

12 Apr '01

Hello All. Thanks for the help. >What does ifconfig -a show? shows "dummy0" and loopback. ># /etc/network/interfaces This not only shows the lo but iface dummy0 inet static...then all the correct IP info I want for the real thing. >So to add a new interface you would add a line to this file like: >iface eth0 inet <hostname-or-ip> I've edited it to show "eth0" in place of dummy0 now. Can I do it like that? (I'll find out!) /modules.conf show many protocols to be loaded for ppp and suchlike, but no mention of eth0. It does have "options ne iox300 irq=10" I've edited in "alias eth0 ne" now just before the above line.. The card is a D-Link DE-220P, which uses the ne driver. (PnP) ifconfig -a still shows dummy0. I think I can officially say I am bewildered now. Using ifconfig to try and bring up eth0 shows eth0: unknown interface: No such device ne.c: No NE*000 card found at i/o = 0x300 Anyone? Jen.

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Re: [Alug] networking probs
by MJ Ray 11 Apr '01

11 Apr '01

Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com writes: > >dummy0? Shouldn't that go out on a real device instead? eth0 for me, > >normally. > Ah. I think I'm getting warm. I assumed "dummy0" was the name Debian gave > to eth0. (First time debian user after Red hat). No, eth0 is a kernel thing. dummy0 is the dummy interface. Your routing table is trying to route over dummy0 when it needs to be over eth0. What does ifconfig -a show? Now I can't remember where this is set up. /etc/networking or similar, I suspect. > I have also been looking for /conf.modules and don't have such a file. ITYM /etc/modules.conf... that other name was deprecated some time ago. -- MJR

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Re: Some good news was Re: [Alug] National Linux Day
by MJ Ray 11 Apr '01

11 Apr '01

Great stuff. As you've suspected and have probably seen from the other list, the disclaimer is totally legally insecure, so we probably ought to come up with our own for the day. Anyone any good with boilerplate legal stuff like this? Anyone know of something we can crib without problems? -- MJR

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modems........ again!
by Christopher Brown 11 Apr '01

11 Apr '01

Ok, I followed the advice and bought a linux modem from scan.......now how do I get suse to recognise it? I have tried yast1+2 with no success, I have been to the suse sight and followed their advice and still no joy...Yast keeps saying turn the modem on! (its on a pci card) please help before I give up and reboot to 98!!!

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Re: [Alug] networking probs
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 11 Apr '01

11 Apr '01

>dummy0? Shouldn't that go out on a real device instead? eth0 for me, >normally. Ah. I think I'm getting warm. I assumed "dummy0" was the name Debian gave to eth0. (First time debian user after Red hat). tcpdump is showing (as I just sent to Chris:) "When I ping, pinging my own IP shows echo request and reply using the loopback, but pinging the windows IP shows only an echo request, using dummy0. " I have also been looking for /conf.modules and don't have such a file. I need to look more closely here I think! Thanks. Do post any hints! Jenny.

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Fonts, antialiasing, staroffice
by Chris Allen 11 Apr '01

11 Apr '01

After a long struggle, I finally have antialiased, truetype fonts working on my KDE2.1 desktop, and truetype fonts both displayed and printing in StarOffice. The results are stunning! I'd be happy to help anybody else who has tried any of the above and found it to be a seemingly impossible task! Chris.

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Re: [Alug] networking probs
by MJ Ray 11 Apr '01

11 Apr '01

Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com writes: > 192.168.11.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U dummy0 > 0.0.0.0 192.168.11.100 UG dummy0 (router box IP for this > network) dummy0? Shouldn't that go out on a real device instead? eth0 for me, normally. -- MJR

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networking probs
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 11 Apr '01

11 Apr '01

Hullo All, I'm trying to connect my debian box to our windows network (amidst many scowls from the network administrator who doesn't trust all this here linux stuff.) ("Who on earth uses linux?, I mean all that basic command line stuff, it's like going back to DOS...."). We have a few subnetworks connected to router boxes, I am trying only to connect to the immediate subnetwork my work winbox is on, address which is 192.168.11.0. (to start with anyway, heh heh!) I have linux box pinging itself on loopback and 192.168.11.106 (its assigned network IP), also by name (TRX850) but not any of the machines on the network. ifconfig also shows network card to be present and correct. I have netstat -rn showing 192.168.11.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U dummy0 0.0.0.0 192.168.11.100 UG dummy0 (router box IP for this network) /etc/hosts has had all IP addresses and names on the local network edited in, e.g 127.0.0.1 localhost 192.168.11.106 TRX850/TCL TRX850 192.168.11.102 jenny/TCL jenny /etc/resolv.conf I have left empty /etc/networks has localnet 192.168.11.0 TCL 192.168.11.0 /etc/hosts.conf has order hosts, bind multi on. This is a pretty basic question, I know, and I ought to know this stuff by now, but can anyone look at what I've done and go ...."ahhh, you silly thing, you've....."???? Thanks! Jenny PS David (Akula) did you get my mail about the poster for linuxday?

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Re: National Linux Day
by Mark Ray 10 Apr '01

10 Apr '01

> * MJ Ray whats the news on the disclaimer? It's on the linuxday.org.uk site and we'll be forwarded those for our region already completed before the day, AIUI. MJR

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Weekly IRC meeting reminder
by Adam Bower 09 Apr '01

09 Apr '01

This is the automated ALUG irc meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an irc meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.openprojects.net in the #alug channel, you can take a look at www.openprojects.net to get more info on the openprojects network. Popular irc clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and ircII on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.bitchx.com http://www.xchat.org http://freshmeat.net Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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LinuxDay distributions
by Mark Ray 07 Apr '01

07 Apr '01

I see from David's draft website, the question of distribution has arisen again. In an attempt to avoid the normal discussion being repeated, I'll just point out that we have a large quantity of Mandrake CDs available, Debian is common on campus and there will be a mirror available, but I think having a distribution which installs inside a DOS or Windows partition could be useful. Any suggestions as to which? Peanut? Time to get reading the Mandrake and Debian installation guides... Can we have the "we need this" list from my earlier email on the page too? Thanks, MJR

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iBooks etc, was Re: SUNDAY TWENTY NINETH APRIL
by Mark Ray 07 Apr '01

07 Apr '01

Well, if you want to show versatility, there's the offer of a set-top box which uses Linux as a demonstration. Do you want me to try to arrange for it to be at UEA? Are you on the LinuxDay mailing list? If not, I can try to find the instructions for it. WRT website, we have 10Mbps to the Hive, the disclaimer forms are on the linuxday.org.uk site and I'd rather not have my address posted in the clear for the spam spiders to pick up, please (especially not in my current state). MJR

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Re: SUNDAY TWENTY NINETH APRIL was Re: [Alug] mouse config puzzle
by Mark Ray 06 Apr '01

06 Apr '01

Well, there's three of us sort-of updating the website, but anyone wanting to be a "website czar" is quite welcome to help and I'll answer questions about the setup of it until the cows come home. Similarly, if a "LinuxDay czar" wants to appoint themselves, I'm sure the veterans will rally round even though we're a bit pushed for time. That said, I'm a bit stuck with doing anything for a few days because of a trip and the death of my computer. I think I've now got email working well enough to read new messages and send emails, but I can't get access to emails from before Tuesday until it's back. Sorry to everyone that affects. This message should tell for sure whether this email works again, I guess. If anyone ever wants a Berkeley-mail-like interface to POP emails (and why would you?), just ask me. MJR

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Re: SUNDAY TWENTY NINETH APRIL was Re: [Alug] mouse config puzzle
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 06 Apr '01

06 Apr '01

Damnit, I'd better start reading up on IRC quickly, then. I was thinking that if I knew how I would put up a page on the website that is cleverly linked to a simple table, so it can be updated, and folks visit the site over the next few days, update the tables with if they are coming and what they are bringing, and Bob's yr uncle. I'm probably unlikely to learn how to do this in the next few days though, although i enthusiastically printed the few pages of html tags david pointed me to. That's a bit like sending away for a clutch cable thinking I will be able to build a Ducati probably. Jen

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Re: SUNDAY TWENTY NINETH APRIL was Re: [Alug] mouse config puzzle
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 04 Apr '01

04 Apr '01

Perhaps the person who is in charge of the web pages could construct a list of who is going, what they are bringing, what job they are doing, then at the bottom have a list of what we still need doing or bringing? List can be updated by said person as members mail him/her saying what they can bring/do? I would be willing if i had the first clue about websites, but this is on my list of "things to learn about". Who does the web pages again? (sorry about the suggestion! If they send me a quick tutorial I will co-ordinate, though).

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Re: Help! - ISP & SuSE
by Corner Paul 04 Apr '01

04 Apr '01

Hi Chris You are currently using tesco.net I see - When you originally signed up, you should have had a confirmation email with all the login details. I had one, but the only thing missing was the phone number. Put the info into the various fields in wvdial setup, and set the mail server identities in your chosen mail reader, and you're away. If you need any specific help accessing tesco.net, email me at home paul.corner(a)tesco.net Regards, Paul. >Christopher Brown: >I am new to Linux and have bought Suse 7 Pro, I have managed to install it >after several headaches and a new graphics card, now I want to hook up to an >isp. Any recommendations or advice would be greatfully recieved, also I >intend on setting up a home network

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Re: [Alug] help!
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 04 Apr '01

04 Apr '01

>............I want to hook up to an >isp. Any recommendations or advice would be greatfully recieved.......... Try http://www.uklinux.net Jenny

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Re: SUNDAY TWENTY NINETH APRIL was Re: [Alug] mouse config puzzle
by MJ Ray 04 Apr '01

04 Apr '01

OK, here we go. This thread has come at an opportune moment. --- Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com wrote: > > PS. Has someone booked a room for Alug for the linux installfest? Yes, it was confirmed today. ALUG's event will be hosted by tsw.org.uk (logo available on request) and take place in the Hive Bar, Union House, UEA Norwich. For those of you who have been to ALUG meetings at Union House, this is the large area opposite reception on the entrance floor. We have it from 1400 to 1830, so I'd suggest a helpers meeting in the small bar downstairs at 1pm, just so we know who we are and what we're doing (and are able to have a (soft?) drink beforehand). > > Do we need to get posters up, advertise on the web, etc? Yes. Yes. > > Get lists of members who can attend and what equipment they can > > bring? Yes. Who is willing to co-ordinate these things? John has done a good job on announcing meetings so far. Is he willing to do it again? I think I've got my hands full with work and trying to organise the bits at UEA. Can we nominate a representative to talk to the linuxday mailing list, too? I'll cc this to them so they know that things are rolling in East Anglia, so make sure your replies only go to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk ;-) David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> writes: > Sorry for shouting, but we need to sort something out here about > what we are doing. I believe(may be wrong) MJ Ray was booking the > room. has this been done? Yes. The booking went in a while ago, but it is pretty impossible to get them to confirm a room booking for a term before the preceding term has ended, it would seem. Fortunately, our term ended last week. > We need to decide what we are doing in the way of installations. Which > Distro? Debian sounds like the one people have the most exp with. Do we > have a suitable disclaimer written yet? UEA has an infestation of Debian users and I should have spoken with the central computing service about setting up a local Debian mirror before LinuxDay. If they show their usual glacial reaction, I will make a Debian mirror or CD available to the meeting somehow. We should also have Mandrake CDs from LinuxDay's national sponsors, MandrakeSoft, I believe. The disclaimer and national advertising should also be coming from the national co-ordinator at LinuxSure, I think. > Does someone want to coordinate who's bringing and doing what? No, no-one has stood up yet. > And also a list of whats needed? We should have: Room, Chairs, Tables (from Union, via tsw) Network connection, firewall, four-port hub (from tsw) Mandrake CDs (from Mandrake) Debian installation media (from ITCS or UEA School of Maths) Posters and disclaimers (from LinuxSure) WE STILL NEED (at least): More networking cables and hubs More posters (local Linux-supporting companies... free advertising at the day if you're helping, I think!) Volunteer helpers and demonstrators External advertising material People putting up the adverts in their local area What have I forgotten? > Sorry if this sounds blunt and unfriendly but we need to do something > and do it well. I quite agree. Not unfriendly at all. Mould us into an efficient fight^Winstalling force. Or something. -- MJR

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help!
by Christopher Brown 04 Apr '01

04 Apr '01

I am new to Linux and have bought Suse 7 Pro, I have managed to install it after several headaches and a new graphics card, now I want to hook up to an isp. Any recommendations or advice would be greatfully recieved, also I intend on setting up a home network and firewall so any info would be a great help. When is the next meeting planned for as I seem to have just missed the last one. Is their anyone in the Bury area who would not mind meeting to swap some info? Chris Brown

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mouse config puzzle
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 03 Apr '01

03 Apr '01

Hullo, list. Can anyone help? After running xf86config in Debian, typing startx gives "Cannot open mouse (No such file or directory)". On looking, I see /dev/mouse hasn't been created. Can I just create my own (and how? using a text editor ok?), indicating a softlink to /dev/ttyS*? How do i know which /ttyS* it is using? (Typing "cat" for /dev files usually leaves me with a hanging situation, no doubt I am trying to read them the wrong way as they are actually being created on the hoof.) Many thanks. Jen PS. Has someone booked a room for Alug for the linux installfest? Do we need to get posters up, advertise on the web, etc? Get lists of members who can attend and what equipment they can bring? (Sorry if someone is on the case and I've missed it, I feel a Virgo surge coming on..)

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