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CD-R burns of latest and greatest
by Adam Bower 01 May '99

01 May '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk If anyone can give me iso images or something I can burn in Windows 98/NT on sunday then I will be quite happy to supply copys to everyone who wants one through the post before the next meet for cost only. Adam Bower [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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RedHat on the way
by James Green 01 May '99

01 May '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Hello guys, OK, I just made enquires with my collegues upstairs (I work for the uni computing service so I had to be careful what I d/l) and it seems that unofficial policy on downloading large files from anywhere is 'bugger the cost'. Therefore, RH6.0 iso is currently standing at some 37Mb so far in just under ten minutes. With a bit of luck I can get this HP DirectCD to create a working CD, and Debian and Caldera offerings will conclude the Great Download of April. I strongly advise however to bring along you own distribution CDs - assume (as this is the first time I've mastered any CD) that my lot will fail. I'm looking to try out latest RH, Debian and Caldera shortly. Right, I'll do my Java assignment while I wait... Regards, James Green - posting from uni account Term e-mail: jmkgre(a)essex.ac.uk | Home e-mail: jg(a)cyberstorm.demon.co.uk Homepage: http://www.cyberstorm.demon.co.uk [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Re: RE: [ALUG] This is a thumb...
by James Green 30 Apr '99

30 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk On Fri, 30 Apr 1999 19:33:15 +0100 "Ward, Paul" <pward(a)linklaters.com> wrote: > * List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > > Has anyone got a copy of Caldera OpenLinux 2.2 we could burn ? That's a good question. I can easily get the directory tree, but the filenames, permissions and symlinks would be smashed. Where are the .iso images??? Regards, James Green Term e-mail: jmkgre(a)essex.ac.uk | Home e-mail: jg(a)cyberstorm.demon.co.uk Homepage: http://www.cyberstorm.demon.co.uk [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Re: [ALUG] This is a thumb...
by R.Wiggs 30 Apr '99

30 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -----Original Message----- From: W.B.Hill <W.B.Hill(a)uea.ac.uk> To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk <alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk> Date: 30 April 1999 19:01 Subject: [ALUG] This is a thumb... >* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > >And this is a request for a lift, from Norwich, UEA. My van's on the blink >(again). Oh, and any suggestions what I could bring, apart from a truly >mind-boggling collection of BNC connectors??? SuSE 6.1 any use to anyone? > >---------------\--------------------------\-------------------------------- >W.B.Hill \ Email: wbh(a)uea.ac.uk \ >492 Earlham Road \ Home: (+44) 1603 455069 \ "Nothing is idiot-proof >Norwich NR4 7HP. \ Fax: 0870 054 7508 \ given the right idiot" >United Kingdom \ Mobile: 0410 781584 \ >(+44) 1603 255141 \ Web: http://wbh.org \ #include <stdisclaimer.h> >---------------------\--------------------------\-------------------------- >PGP-Fingerprint: B3 6F 2E D6 - B6 48 F1 FB -*- 7C AA 28 0C - 96 61 9A B5 > >[ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] >[ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] >[ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] >[ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ] > > We can supply you with a lift if you wouldn't mind chipping in on petrol money, if you call Adam on 07788 672436 and arrange where and when. [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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RE: [ALUG] Official ALUG-members CD-ROM
by Ward, Paul 30 Apr '99

30 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Sounds like a good idea - maybe bounce it off a few people at the meeting -----Original Message----- From: James Green [mailto:jmkgre@essex.ac.uk] Sent: Friday, April 30, 1999 8:05 PM To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Subject: [ALUG] Official ALUG-members CD-ROM * List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Hi again, So I'm sitting here up in our SE lab, connected by JANET, CD-R in the box, d/ling various popular 'ix stuff like GNOME/KDE, Apache, GIMP, etc., and I'm thinking, this could be maintained and updated by ALUG members, kept on an ALUG FTP site, written to CD before our meetings, and distributed then to our members. We then know what to get, and can update it when new versions and new s/w get announced by Freshmeat, etc. I am currently working/aiming at the following: .tar.gz/.tgz .src.rpm/.i386.rpm (latter where src not available) I include the rpm as it is the most popular of the packaging formats. So, I'll do the honours and create the ALUG1 CD-ROM, packed with stuff you either need new or need updated, and if no-one objects, members can continue on from there... Can an ftp.anglian.lug.org.uk be arranged with write-access for ALUG CD-ROM admins, anon read-access for everyone else? We ought to have some web-interface too for a ChangeLog, requests, etc. Any objections? - Now I *really* need JANET from home ;-) Regards, James Green Term e-mail: jmkgre(a)essex.ac.uk | Home e-mail: jg(a)cyberstorm.demon.co.uk Homepage: http://www.cyberstorm.demon.co.uk [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ] ____________________________________________________________ This message is confidential. It may also be privileged or otherwise protected by work product immunity or other legal rules. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system; you should not copy the message or disclose its contents to anyone. ____________________________________________________________ [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Official ALUG-members CD-ROM
by James Green 30 Apr '99

30 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Hi again, So I'm sitting here up in our SE lab, connected by JANET, CD-R in the box, d/ling various popular 'ix stuff like GNOME/KDE, Apache, GIMP, etc., and I'm thinking, this could be maintained and updated by ALUG members, kept on an ALUG FTP site, written to CD before our meetings, and distributed then to our members. We then know what to get, and can update it when new versions and new s/w get announced by Freshmeat, etc. I am currently working/aiming at the following: .tar.gz/.tgz .src.rpm/.i386.rpm (latter where src not available) I include the rpm as it is the most popular of the packaging formats. So, I'll do the honours and create the ALUG1 CD-ROM, packed with stuff you either need new or need updated, and if no-one objects, members can continue on from there... Can an ftp.anglian.lug.org.uk be arranged with write-access for ALUG CD-ROM admins, anon read-access for everyone else? We ought to have some web-interface too for a ChangeLog, requests, etc. Any objections? - Now I *really* need JANET from home ;-) Regards, James Green Term e-mail: jmkgre(a)essex.ac.uk | Home e-mail: jg(a)cyberstorm.demon.co.uk Homepage: http://www.cyberstorm.demon.co.uk [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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RE: [ALUG] This is a thumb...
by Ward, Paul 30 Apr '99

30 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Has anyone got a copy of Caldera OpenLinux 2.2 we could burn ? Paul Ward Linklaters & Alliance (Colchester) -----Original Message----- From: W.B.Hill [mailto:W.B.Hill@uea.ac.uk] Sent: Friday, April 30, 1999 6:57 PM To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Subject: [ALUG] This is a thumb... * List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk And this is a request for a lift, from Norwich, UEA. My van's on the blink (again). Oh, and any suggestions what I could bring, apart from a truly mind-boggling collection of BNC connectors??? SuSE 6.1 any use to anyone? ---------------\--------------------------\-------------------------------- W.B.Hill \ Email: wbh(a)uea.ac.uk \ 492 Earlham Road \ Home: (+44) 1603 455069 \ "Nothing is idiot-proof Norwich NR4 7HP. \ Fax: 0870 054 7508 \ given the right idiot" United Kingdom \ Mobile: 0410 781584 \ (+44) 1603 255141 \ Web: http://wbh.org \ #include <stdisclaimer.h> ---------------------\--------------------------\-------------------------- PGP-Fingerprint: B3 6F 2E D6 - B6 48 F1 FB -*- 7C AA 28 0C - 96 61 9A B5 [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ] ____________________________________________________________ This message is confidential. It may also be privileged or otherwise protected by work product immunity or other legal rules. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system; you should not copy the message or disclose its contents to anyone. ____________________________________________________________ [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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RE: [ALUG] This is a thumb...
by Ward, Paul 30 Apr '99

30 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk I won't be getting SuSe 6.1 until next week I hope but It would be a good idea to see it Paul -----Original Message----- From: W.B.Hill [mailto:W.B.Hill@uea.ac.uk] Sent: Friday, April 30, 1999 6:57 PM To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Subject: [ALUG] This is a thumb... * List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk And this is a request for a lift, from Norwich, UEA. My van's on the blink (again). Oh, and any suggestions what I could bring, apart from a truly mind-boggling collection of BNC connectors??? SuSE 6.1 any use to anyone? ---------------\--------------------------\-------------------------------- W.B.Hill \ Email: wbh(a)uea.ac.uk \ 492 Earlham Road \ Home: (+44) 1603 455069 \ "Nothing is idiot-proof Norwich NR4 7HP. \ Fax: 0870 054 7508 \ given the right idiot" United Kingdom \ Mobile: 0410 781584 \ (+44) 1603 255141 \ Web: http://wbh.org \ #include <stdisclaimer.h> ---------------------\--------------------------\-------------------------- PGP-Fingerprint: B3 6F 2E D6 - B6 48 F1 FB -*- 7C AA 28 0C - 96 61 9A B5 [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ] ____________________________________________________________ This message is confidential. It may also be privileged or otherwise protected by work product immunity or other legal rules. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system; you should not copy the message or disclose its contents to anyone. ____________________________________________________________ [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Q3Test for Linux..
by Martyn B. Drake 30 Apr '99

30 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk . is available now. If anybody can grab that and stick it on a CD for the Sunday will earn many a beer. Regards, Martyn [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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RedHat 6.0 image files..
by Martyn B. Drake 29 Apr '99

29 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Does anybody know where in the UK someone can grab hold of a RH 6.0 ISO image file? I'll be darned if I can get anything at all from Sunsite and Hensa doesn't appear to have anything.. it's all beginning to drive me nuts.. the Red Hat site isn't much help either :(* M. [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Quickies time
by James Green 28 Apr '99

28 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Hi all, Quick update: I forgot to enquire about trains last night but will do so in next 24hrs. I now have three TDK CD-R discs to master. Being on a uni NT4 machine I need .iso mages of RH6.0, Debian and Caldera so ucol has a plea for local (ac.uk) mirrors for these. Respond please! I can get more CD-Rs from my housemate, although at what price I don't know; the TDKs I got from our ESE stores cost GBP1.20 each. Rip off. Due to problems getting Apache/PHP3 running here plus university work I haven't managed much on the website as yet. Bear with me on that one; but I do at least have an ugly first draft using SSI/PHP3 which grabs /. and freshmeat headlines purrrfectly :) I may be seeing someone (another student) to come along. I forgot and told him it was Saturday not Sunday and he said he couldn't make it. I'll correct him if I see him - he's a Londoner so it would be a while-at-uni arrangement I think ;-) Oh, and could someone do a demo of GIMP at the meeting? I'm a Photoshopper and I'd quite like a conversion course... GIMP-1.1.4 crashes quite quickly here. Also, a look at X equivs of oft-used Windows apps could be useful - a feature I'd like to develop on for the website. Particular emphasis on Office apps, mail and news I think. Tin "sucks" as they say in #linuxhelp. Right, I got a few wired probs here with Linux, plus a Java assignment to do for Friday, so I'd better hop to it. Best wishes, James Green GNOMEified and Enlightened. [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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RE: [ALUG] RedHat 6.0 image files..
by Ward, Paul 28 Apr '99

28 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Try e-mailing pete bassll - he's should be in the know about RED HAT 6 - If it is downloadable he will be able to do it via T1 lines - he works for an ISP Thanks Paul Ward -----Original Message----- From: Martyn B. Drake [mailto:martyn.drake@anglian.lug.org.uk] Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 8:24 PM To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Subject: [ALUG] RedHat 6.0 image files.. * List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Does anybody know where in the UK someone can grab hold of a RH 6.0 ISO image file? I'll be darned if I can get anything at all from Sunsite and Hensa doesn't appear to have anything.. it's all beginning to drive me nuts.. the Red Hat site isn't much help either :(* M. [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ] ____________________________________________________________ This message is confidential. It may also be privileged or otherwise protected by work product immunity or other legal rules. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system; you should not copy the message or disclose its contents to anyone. ____________________________________________________________ [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Need lift for the meeting..
by Martyn B. Drake 28 Apr '99

28 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Hello, Are there any kind souls in Norwich with enough space in a car to be able to get me to the meeting on Sunday? I'm based along the Ipswich Road and would happily throw a few pounds in their direction for petrol costs, etc. Does anybody have any copies of RedHat 6.0 burnt on a CD-ROM as yet, as a matter of interest? And me final doodah is what is currently planned for the Sunday anyway? Regards, Martyn [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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RE: [ALUG] Need lift for the meeting..
by Ward, Paul 28 Apr '99

28 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Sorry Not Redhat 6.0 - got 5.1 & 5.2 - but for the next meeting I hope to have SuSe 6.1 with new 2.2x kernel and Caldera 2x if that any use ? Paul Ward -----Original Message----- From: Laurie Brown [mailto:laurie@brownowl.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 7:05 PM To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Subject: Re: [ALUG] Need lift for the meeting.. * List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk "Ashley T. Howes" wrote: > > * List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > > I'm interested in CDs with Redhat 6 and gnome/kde on. If someone can bring > some along I would be happy to pay for the media. I've got 10 clean CDs here, which cost me a quid each. I'll bring them along, even if I don't get time to sort my burner out. Cheers, Laurie. [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ] ____________________________________________________________ This message is confidential. It may also be privileged or otherwise protected by work product immunity or other legal rules. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system; you should not copy the message or disclose its contents to anyone. ____________________________________________________________ [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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RE: [ALUG] First meeting...
by Ward, Paul 28 Apr '99

28 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Hi there Both Myself and Pete Bassill will be coming but we'll have to leave arounf 3.30 ish Paul Ward -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Savory [mailto:A.Savory@uea.ac.uk] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 9:25 PM To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Subject: [ALUG] First meeting... * List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Hi All, Okay, I've updated the website to list those that have said they'll be there - at the moment, it stands at 8, with a couple more I know of that haven't confirmed yet. Drop me a line people if you think you can make it! Laurie: it's up to you on the sarnies front, as long as there's somewhere handy we can buy good grub, I'll be happy! (Those that know me well, yes I do mean "Adnams" when I say grub :-) Hopefully we'll have a fair selection of CDs kicking around, and I can bring along a Zip drive if need be. I'll leave it up to you on the CD-burner front (hate to inflict needless hours of Win95 use on you). > Is someone bringing a mini-hub? Will I need spare cables etc? I'll bring some cheapernet cable, I'll see if I can lay my hands on a hub. If anyone else has one, PLEASE BRING IT! As for advertising: please print out http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/images/advert.gif and stick it up wherever you can find space. If you'd rather have postscript or some other format, drop me a line. If you'd like the logo to put together another poster, gimme a shout. If you want to throw together a better logo - please do! (I'm not an artist, that's for sure.) Andrew. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - A.Savory at uea.ac.uk All views are my own - who else would want them? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ] ____________________________________________________________ This message is confidential. It may also be privileged or otherwise protected by work product immunity or other legal rules. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system; you should not copy the message or disclose its contents to anyone. ____________________________________________________________ [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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KL/Thetford/BSE
by Mark J Ray 28 Apr '99

28 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk I'm able to offer a lift from anywhere near the A134, basically. Please reply by email to just me if you're interested. Thanks, -- Mark. Stats Postgrad mailto:M.J.Ray@UEA.ac.uk http://stats.mth.uea.ac.uk/ UEA Norwich UK mailto:markj@stu.uea.ac.uk http://www.stu.uea.ac.uk/ "Very peaceful...if you're not being eaten by a tiger" - BBC 5Live [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Re: Alug meeting on sunday
by Andrew Savory 28 Apr '99

28 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Hi all, We now have lots of volunteers bringing hubs etc, so I think we should be able to set up quite a network! Also, Adam Bower has volunteered to give a lift to anyone travelling from Norwich: > I will be travelling from Aylsham so will be travelling through Norwich if > anyone is in dire need of a lift. .. so give him a shout at <a.bower(a)thebowery.force9.co.uk> if you are stuck. Andrew. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- A.Savory at uea.ac.uk All views are my own - who else would want them? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Time to spread the word
by Mark J Ray 27 Apr '99

27 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk I wrote this before the email flurry that just took place. Guess it's still useful, though: Dear all, There are now but five short days until our first meeting. Now is the time to spread the word and try to encourage people to come along. We need to make posters (has someone done this? We could use a PostScript file), email friends, arrange transport where needed, etc etc. I think having a rough idea of numbers and compiling a list of what equipment is being taken is a very good idea. So, here's a basic "to-do" list: 1. Email friends and ask them if they want to come to the meeting. If so, perhaps arrange to demo more than one thing on a box and perhaps arrange to car-share. 2. Email A.Savory(a)UEA.ac.uk with names and details of equipment and software to be demo'ed. Bear in mind the notes about taking power supplies, etc. I assume Laurie doesn't want us to blow the fuses, so there will probably be some restriction on how many machines are in action at once. 3. Print off a poster (file location tbc) and stick it in your office window, on a nearby noticeboard, in the back of your car, on a passing cat, whatever. 4. If you need to be collected from Woodbridge rail station, email Laurie and ask nicely. The 1205 arrival is the one for most people, I think. 5. If you can help with Laurie's ISDN+Firewall setup, email both him and Andrew. I suspect doing 5 will make 4 more likely ;) 6. Polish kit and presentation skills until Sunday. Interestingly, I've just heard that Kingfisher (owners of Comet etc) have entered the Free ISP market. Let's see if we get another Linux-friendly one... MJR. sig TBA. [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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RE: [ALUG] Need lift for the meeting..
by Ward, Paul 27 Apr '99

27 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Both myself and Peter Bassill from Halstead will be coming but we will have to leave about 3.15 3.30 ish okay ? Paul Ward -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Savory [mailto:A.Savory@uea.ac.uk] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 4:23 PM To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Subject: Re: [ALUG] Need lift for the meeting.. * List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk On Tue, 27 Apr 1999, Martyn B. Drake wrote: > Are there any kind souls in Norwich with enough space in a car to be able to > get me to the meeting on Sunday? I'm based along the Ipswich Road and would > happily throw a few pounds in their direction for petrol costs, etc. Certainly - I'll give you a shout nearer the weekend to sort out times etc. > Does anybody have any copies of RedHat 6.0 burnt on a CD-ROM as yet, as a > matter of interest? I was kinda hoping you'd be able to do that ;-) I've got RedHat 5.2, and I'll try and get a Debian CD or two sorted out as well. > And me final doodah is what is currently planned for > the Sunday anyway? So far - * Welcome, introductions etc * Demos of Gnome, KDE, mozilla? * Installations / linux troubleshooting *Close at around 4, drink in the bar/pub? :-) Any suggestions for stuff to do are welcome. Andrew. --------- The University of East Anglia's - World Wide Web Group ------------ User Services Consultant (Web Information), IT & Computing Services, UEA a.savory(a)uea.ac.uk www.uea@uea.ac.uk www.intra@uea.ac.uk ------------------------Speaking for myself again!--------------------------- [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ] ____________________________________________________________ This message is confidential. It may also be privileged or otherwise protected by work product immunity or other legal rules. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system; you should not copy the message or disclose its contents to anyone. ____________________________________________________________ [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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A helping hand from a close group (fwd)
by Andrew Savory 26 Apr '99

26 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Just got this... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:05:51 +0100 From: Peter Bassill <peter.bassill(a)internal.dircon.net> To: "'info(a)anglian.lug.org.uk'" <info(a)anglian.lug.org.uk> Subject: A helping hand from a close group Hi Fellow Linuxers Welcome to the land of collective thought, help and co-operation. (I come in peace ;) ) An introduction from me; Peter Bassill, Cambridge Linux User Group Web Master. Looking forward to coming to your first meeting, meeting you all and finding out what you all do. Check out our web site, you might like it. www.cam-lug.org. Its still in its childhood but its getting bigger every day. If you need support with anything then please ask. We have an extensive library of distributions, data, libraries etc, all presses to cd or available from our FTP site. Drop me a mail and let me know if you need anything for Sunday. All the best! Peter Bassill Internet Systems Administrator Direct Connection *********************************************** To err is Human To rm -r * from / is luser [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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ADSL update
by Raphael Mankin 23 Apr '99

23 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Further to my note of the otehr day. If I use my 'spare' host IP that BT gave me, the oepration of the net is distinctly flaky. However, I find that I can use my Demon IP (158.152.9.237) over the ADSL network. It gets masqueraded in the normal way, but appears to be perfectly reliable. My main m/c now has three IPs. One for demon, one for ADSL and one for the internal network. I have also set up masquerading from the rest of my local net, but I have not checked my filter rules all that thoroughly yet. Also, my Win 3.1 machine (they do still exist) does not seem to fetch web pages ;-( ---------------------------------- 2 + 2 = 5 (for large values of 2) Raphael Mankin E-Mail: raph(a)panache.demon.co.uk ---------------------------------- [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Using ADSL
by Raphael Mankin 23 Apr '99

23 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk BT's ADSL --------- What do you get? --------------- 1. A permanent internet connection. 2Mb/s download, 256Kb/s upload. 2. Static, masqueraded IP. The addresses used are in the 192.168.*.* range. 3. ADSL shares your phone line with voice traffic. You can use voice and data at the same time. 4. Two wall boxes, each about 10" square and about 1 1/2" deep. One is the analogue/data splitter, te other is a 'modem' that provides a utp connection to your network. BT also provide a PCI ethernet card (ne2000 clone, RealTek RTL8029 chip) and a cable. 5. Lots of BT 'constent servers' that no-one in his right mind would want to look at. 6. Access to the whole internet. BT provide web proxies that you can use. What do you not get? ------------------- 1. Mail services. You must register with some ISP for that. 2. Usenet. How do you get it? ----------------- 1. You have to live in the right area. 2. You *must* be running W95/W98. If not, BT won't even talk to you. 3. Connect your web browser to www.btinteractive.com/Registration/. For this site you will need Flash Graphics. BT *say* that you have to be running IE to use their site. I was totally unable to get it to work with IE, but Netscape worked fine. This web site is one of the worst designed and most annoying that I have seen in a long time. 4. Go through the rather long-winded registration process that will include, inter alia, downloading a program (W95/W98) that will examine your machine. You then mail the output of this program back to BT. 5. In due course BT will come and install the equipment in your premises. 6. Use the BT supplied floppies to configure your W95/W98. Donwload about 30Mb of other software and install it. You can now get at the BT content services. Apart from access to the BT servers you can ignore all their instructions. For Linux configuration, see below. Network Config -------------- You get a 2-bit (4 address) network allocated to you. BT tell you about two of the addresses, but not the other two. The address is of the form 192.168.x.y with a 30-bit netmask. 192.168.x.y+1 is the BT 'modem' 192.168.x.y+2 is the address BT tell you to use for your machine 192.168.x.y+3 is the broadcast address. 192.168.x.y is a spare host address and can be used if you have two machines on your network. BT's name servers are on 192.168.0.* and 192.168.1.*, so that rather rules out using the 192.168.*.* private address range on your home network. You just don't know who else might be using your addresses and causing conflicts. However you can still use 10.*.*.*. Routing ------- In /etc/networks create entries for your local network and for the BT network. loopback 127.0.0.0 localnet 10.0.0.0 BTnet 192.168.x.y In /etc/hosts create entries for the BT hosts, e.g. 192.168.0.18 dns1.BTInteractive.net alderney.BTInteractive.net 192.168.1.5 dns2.BTInteractive.net 12.168.x.y+1 gate.BTInteractive I assume that you have just one ethernet card in your machine. If you have two then it becomes easier to isolate your private network from the public one. At a suitable place in your rc scripts add: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.1 broadcast 10.255.255.255 netmask 10.0.0.0 /sbin/ifconfig eth0:0 192.168.x.y+2 broadcast 192.168.x.y+3 netmask 192.168.x.y /sbin/route add -net localnet netmask 10.0.0.0 eth0 /sbin/route add -net BTnet netmask 192.168.x.y eth0:0 /sbin/route add default netmask 0.0.0.0 gw gate.BTInteractive eth0:0 With two ethernet cards replace eth0:0 by eth1, or vice versa. In /etc/resolve.conf put: nameserver 192.168.0.18 nameserver 192.168.1.5 Security -------- You are now directly connect to the internet, so security is a major issue. Make sure all user accounts have *good* passwords. Use shadow passwords. Run pwck and grpck regularly. Disable system accounts such as bin, sync, daemon etc. by putting an 'x' in the password field of /etc/shadow. In /etc/inetd.conf comment out the entries for chargen, finger, netstat, systat, bootps and tftp. Put sensible values in /etc/hosts.deny and /etc/hosts.allow. A good place to start is to put ALL:ALL in hosts.deny and then to enable just those services you want, e.g. smtp, in hosts.allow. When a connection is denied run a script to log the event; for instance, in hosts.deny put the line: ALL:ALL:spawn ( /usr/bin/logger -p auth.debug "%a %d %c %h %p %s")& Implement packet filtering to discard any packets that look suspicious, e.g. those trying to use your machine as a gateway. Also drop any packets to the local net that try to go out through the BT gateway; any packets from the gateway that purport to come from the local network. If you are running a private netowrk you may want to nominate one machine as a masquerading gateway so that you can control access more easily. Update your Samba config to allow connections only to/from the local network. [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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RE:
by Peter Onion 21 Apr '99

21 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Sadly I am busy on the 2nd :-( Peter Onion. ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Peter Onion <Peter.Onion(a)btinternet.com> Date: 20-Apr-99 Time: 07:57:39 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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So, where now?
by Mark J Ray 20 Apr '99

20 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Hiya, Since starting the mailing list about 10 days ago, we've got a meeting organised for 2nd May, the domain name, some web pages, listings in some of the LUG indices, started dialogue with neighbouring LUGs, publicised ourselves a bit with a press release and doubled (when I last looked) our subscribers. But we've only just begun. So I'm writing yet another "TO-DO" list, as far as I see it. Feel free to dispute or add to this list, but I don't think anyone can deny that if we get the first few done, then we'll gain people and have no problem with the later ones. So, here it is: * Announce the meeting to uk.comp.os.linux and u.l.e-a (Andrew?) Include details of how to join this list. Feel free to copy the posting to any other local groups at your Service Provider. * Any members posting there (eg Me!) add the ALUG web address to their signature block that they use to post to news (yeah, I know they're crowded already). I think ALUG members are becoming more visible on u.c.o.l (although I could probably incite a flamewar on any given topic :P). * Anyone keeping some Linux web pages stick an ALUG link-back logo on them and add them to the ALUG links on the main web site (Andrew, can you add a few more categories? Damn, I'm asking you to do a lot!) * Discuss who's going to bring what to the meeting. Andrew, could you keep a (basic) web page about the meeting, with links to Laurie's site and details of who's bringing what? * Produce a poster that we can all post around our local areas. (I know some kind souls have offered to do this.) * In a week or two, start trying to work out a venue and date for another meeting. * Keep up the good work! Publicise, invite people, etc. Food for thought? -- MJR Please use the address in the Reply-To line at the top, if set. http://www.stu.uea.ac.uk/ http://stats.mth.uea.ac.uk/ http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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What's currently happening?
by Martyn B. Drake 20 Apr '99

20 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Anything new or interesting happening at the moment within the group? How are preparations for the meeting going, and how many people have confirmed that they will be coming so far? M. [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Re: [ALUG] So, where now?
by Raphael Mankin 20 Apr '99

20 Apr '99

Thank.s I'll look forward to seeing you there, but not till probably about 3pm. High tide is about mid-day and I shall be sailing until then. On 20-Apr-99 Mark J Ray wrote: >On Fri, Apr 16, 1999 at 04:59:00PM +0100, Raphael Mankin wrote: >> Would you care to remind me just where and what time this meeting is? I must >> have missed it in the flood of words ;-) > >Sunday May 2nd, Melton Grange Hotel (www.meltongrange.co.uk), >Woodbridge, Suffolk, 2pm. I think. > >-- >Mark. >Stats Postgrad mailto:M.J.Ray@UEA.ac.uk http://stats.mth.uea.ac.uk/ >UEA Norwich UK mailto:markj@stu.uea.ac.uk http://www.stu.uea.ac.uk/ >"People will pay BIG BUCKS for the luxury of ignorance."rickf(a)transpect.net ---------------------------------- 2 + 2 = 5 (for large values of 2) Raphael Mankin E-Mail: raph(a)panache.demon.co.uk ----------------------------------

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Re: [ALUG-DIGEST] Tue Apr 20 00:00:00 1999
by Andrew Savory 20 Apr '99

20 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Hmm... is the main alug list still working? Andrew. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- A.Savory(a)uea.ac.uk - 01603 593473 - ITCS, University of East Anglia, NR4 7TJ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Press released...
by Andrew Savory 16 Apr '99

16 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Hi all, Just to say that the press release went out today, to the newshounds listed below. If you have the FAX number of any other local media that aren't listed, please do email it to me, and I'll send the release to them, too. Papers: East Anglian Daily Times Eastern Daily Press Evening News Norwich Advertiser (!) Radio: BBC Radio Norfolk BBC Radio Suffolk Radio Broadland TV: BBC East Anglia TV Other: Press Association Regional Contact I'll tidy up the begging letter tomorrow, so names and addresses of prominent Anglian businesses that will want to throw us money would be helpful! Andrew. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Web Consultant | Email: a.savory at uea.ac.uk IT and Computing Services | URL: http://www.uea.ac.uk/ University of East Anglia | All views are my own - Norwich, NR4 7TJ, UK | who else would want them? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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LUIGUI
by James Green 16 Apr '99

16 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk As just seen on Slashdot: http://www.luigui.org/ I particularly like: http://www.luigui.org/resources/linux.html Which might come in handy I feel on a certain other site under construction ;) -- James Green http://www.cyberstorm.demon.co.uk [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Newsgroups
by Mark J Ray 14 Apr '99

14 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Hiya, Has anyone else found the (uk.)?comp.os.linux.* newsgroups a bit hostile? Are we better off asking questions here on the list? -- Mark. Stats Postgrad mailto:M.J.Ray@UEA.ac.uk http://stats.mth.uea.ac.uk/ UEA Norwich UK mailto:markj@stu.uea.ac.uk http://www.stu.uea.ac.uk/ Is it Friday today? [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Experimenting
by Mark J Ray 13 Apr '99

13 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Apologies for excess bandwidth usage. I'm just running a small test on the listserver, in the best Linux traditions. -- Mark. [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Website changes...
by Andrew Savory 13 Apr '99

13 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Hi all, Coupla changes afoot. The web pages are now hosted at UEA to let us do horrible things with perl, php and databases etc. At the moment requests are redirected from www.anglian.org.uk, until the DNS catches up with us. Some links may not like this very much, but it should straighten out soon enough. New feature: the website's "ALUG related links" now takes you to a dynamic links page; anyone can add to it, just do a submission at: http://139.222.129.17/links.shtml (Beware - this is misbehaving occasionally, so if you see a Server Error, please be polite and ignore it!) Think that's it... Andrew. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Web Consultant | Email: a.savory at uea.ac.uk IT and Computing Services | URL: http://www.uea.ac.uk/ University of East Anglia | All views are my own - Norwich, NR4 7TJ, UK | who else would want them? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Handy hints number one
by Mark J Ray 13 Apr '99

13 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Just found the following today and thought some of you might find them useful: Compiling your own kernel? Already downloaded the sources for an older version in the same series (eg compiling 2.2.5 but already have 2.2.2). What you should do is patch your kernel tree. See http://linuxpower.org/display_item.phtml?id=101 Installing perl modules? Try "perl -MCPAN -e shell" and let perl take care of downloading, compiling and installing dependencies. (I found that one while installing EP - which seems similar to PHP.) -- Mark. Stats Postgrad mailto:M.J.Ray@UEA.ac.uk http://stats.mth.uea.ac.uk/ UEA Norwich UK mailto:markj@stu.uea.ac.uk http://www.stu.uea.ac.uk/ Try a Cool Site UK : http://www.stu.uea.ac.uk/cool/ [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Mailing list fixed..
by alug＠stu.uea.ac.uk 12 Apr '99

12 Apr '99

* From: "Martyn Drake" <martyn(a)drake.org.uk> Just to let everybody know that the new anglian(a)lists.lug.org.uk mailing list problem has now been resolved. As have the MX records for anglian.lug.org.uk and a few other odds and ends. If Mark Ray could either pass me a list of current subscribers to this list, I will ensure that everyone is currently subscribed to the new list. Otherwise to simply subscribe, send a message to majordomo(a)lists.lug.org.uk with "subscribe anglian" (without quotes) in the body of the message. I am the list moderator for anglian(a)lists.lug.org.uk, so any complaints, flames or otherwise should be addressed to me. Just a recap that that list is for discussion. I'm just wondering if it's worth asking lug.org.uk for an anglian-announce list as well.. M. [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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More list fixes
by Mark J Ray 12 Apr '99

12 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Apologies for not properly updating my crontab to regenerate the mailing list archive. It has been fixed now. -- Mark, reading "man crontab" as we speak. [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Stealing members...
by Mark J Ray 12 Apr '99

12 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk On Mon, Apr 12, 1999 at 11:35:48AM +0100, Paul Ward wrote: > I may have got the treasurer and Webmaster of the cambridge LUG > interested in coming along to the meeting on 2nd May He says he's > thinking of defecting ) -if thats okay with u lot ;-) That's fine. I've been quite impressed with www.cam-lug.org ;) Seriously, there is no reason why we should detract from the LUGs which already exist in the area. It was my perception that Cambridge is the only place definitely in our area to consistently support a LUG, and that seems to be of the "a few people go down the pub" variety. Regrettably, we clash with one of their meetings, but with them holding meetings every weekend, it was going to be difficult not to. We cover a wide area, so that we can hopefully reach some sort of "critical mass" can be reached more quickly. We already seem well on the road to having a few meetings organised. And as Linux grows, hopefully we will too, but that's not the end of the story. I quite expect, that as time goes by, the larger towns and cities in East Anglia may form LUGs of their own. I would hope that we can work together, have joint meetings and so on, but you have to realise that in a mainly rural area such as this, we are never going to have 100% coverage of these "metropolitan" LUGs. I can't really see King's Lynn, where I live, supporting a LUG in the next few years. So for many people, ALUG will still be the most appropriate LUG. Finally, I hope we will be a different type of LUG, a more co-operative one. Anyone who wants to help can, as we're trying to keep the centralisation of power to a minimum. When the last two links on the website go active, any member will be able to link pages in (eh, Mr Savory? I hope that was what you were planning ;) ) and I hope everyone will have something to say. Also, I hope our events can be a bit larger scale than most of the metropolitan LUGs... -- Mark. Stats Postgrad mailto:M.J.Ray@UEA.ac.uk http://stats.mth.uea.ac.uk/ UEA Norwich UK mailto:markj@stu.uea.ac.uk http://www.stu.uea.ac.uk/ Try a Cool Site UK : http://www.stu.uea.ac.uk/cool/ [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Re: [ALUG] Status of alug.lug.org.uk subdomain and mailing list..
by Paul Ward 12 Apr '99

12 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Hi there I may have got the treasurer and Webmaster of the cambridge LUG interested in coming along to the meeting on 2nd May He says he's thinking of defecting ) -if thats okay with u lot ;-) Paul ____________________________________________________________ This message is confidential. It may also be privileged or otherwise protected by work product immunity or other legal rules. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system; you should not copy the message or disclose its contents to anyone. ____________________________________________________________ [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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[kevin.taylor@ind.alstom.com: Re: Anglian LUG setting up]
by Mark J Ray 12 Apr '99

12 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Kevin Taylor of the Northants LUG raises some interesting points, I think. He's OKd me sending this on to the list. I'm in touch with linuxuk.co.uk now, waiting to hear about "Linux Day". ----- Forwarded message from kevin.taylor(a)ind.alstom.com ----- From: kevin.taylor(a)ind.alstom.com Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:02:17 +0100 Subject: Re: Anglian LUG setting up > I'm emailing you to ask what you're up to, to solicit any > advice you may have to offer and to invite any of your members > willing to travel to come to our meeting. I would say the main thing is keep the momentum going. I started the Northants LUG with a meeting of 3 people, including myself and a collegue from work ... I think you need to decide very early on about when to meet, and how often. We have a main meeting every 2 months (we have had 3 so far) - where I arrange a 'talk' to kick things off. We have just got to the stage where the people that regularly turn up would like to meet more often, so we have started a more informal 'interim meeting' in the months in between. I think you need to set the dates and stick to them, even if you only get a few people. My typical attendance is from between 5 to 8 people at the moment - but I have a few regulars and many more people on the mailing list. We meet at my house in Northampton, as I have a large(ish) lounge. This seems to work really well. I would strongly advise against doing anything that is money related - I do not charge entry, do not rent a hall, do not charge for coffee or anything - it is just completely informal. The other thing to do is get a web site quickly, and send its address to any lists of 'lugs' that you can find. Obvious ones to use : www.ssc.com/glue www.linuxuk.co.uk www.uk.linux.org www.linux.ukuug.org www.skygate.co.uk/linux.html www.redhat.com www.nllgg.nl/lugww www.lug.org.uk The last one will set up a .lug.org.uk internet domain name for you if you wish - even if you have web pages elsewhere - then he can do redirection for you. One final note - personally I would stay away from 'installathons' and advocacy - I just provide the group for existing users to come together - we are not out to convert other users on our own (yet ...) By the way - are you aware of Linux Day 1999 ? Contact Jono Bacon (jb(a)linuxuk.co.uk) for details if you are interested in taking part. Hope this helps. Keep in touch. Kevin. kevin(a)northants.lug.org.uk -- +------------------------------------------+ Northants Linux Users Group internet : http://www.northants.lug.org.uk email : info(a)northants.lug.org.uk +------------------------------------------+ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Mark. Stats Postgrad mailto:M.J.Ray@UEA.ac.uk http://stats.mth.uea.ac.uk/ UEA Norwich UK mailto:markj@stu.uea.ac.uk http://www.stu.uea.ac.uk/ Try a Cool Site UK : http://www.stu.uea.ac.uk/cool/ [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Email forwarding at anglian.lug.org.uk
by Martyn B. Drake 12 Apr '99

12 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk . is now available. If anybody wants an @anglian.lug.org.uk forwarding address - please let me know via hostmaster(a)anglian.lug.org.uk and I'll get those up and running as soon as possible. M. [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Everyone agree to nuke anglian@lists.lug.org.uk?
by Martyn B. Drake 12 Apr '99

12 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Due to the continuing problems with the Majordomo service, it seems the best thing to do is to nuke it and remain with the alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk list, now that it has the blessing from TPTB (the powers that be) in the UEA student union. I'm about to write to the lug.org.uk owners and will ask them to nuke the list. M. [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Re: [ALUG] Mailing list fixed..
by Martyn B. Drake 12 Apr '99

12 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Sorry - didn't see the original message about Mark's manager okaying the list. It's going to be one of those days, I can feel it .. M. ----- Original Message ----- From: Martyn B. Drake <martyn(a)drake.org.uk> To: <alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk> Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [ALUG] Mailing list fixed.. * List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Hang on - I thought the whole purpose of moving the list in the first place was so that you didn't get reprimanded by the SU for using their systems? The onelist.com idea was only an idea, as I'm equally fed up with the Majordomo thing as everybody else is. So before I waste any more of my time - what is it to be? [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ] [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Re: [ALUG] begging letters / adverts / more meet qs
by Laurie Brown 12 Apr '99

12 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk wrote: > > * From: Paul Ward <pward(a)linklaters.com> > > I'll have go at designing some posters etc > > By the way I've got this "natty" or so I think it is !!! network kit from PC world to link 2 PC's together for file sharing etc - I haven't had time to set it up (it is two lengths of T Base 10 cable with a hub - perhaps if I bring that we could get it installed so I could then do it at home ? - just a thought. Do that. I have a spare W95 laptop we can use to play with too, in case you want to use that setup at home. My Linux box, which needs to stay in the office, is running Samba, so we can set some shares up on there for files. I have one of those HDD caddies, so if someone brings a disk (EIDE) that NT4 can see, I can pop it in, and make it available in our room via the network. That would make copying files around pretty easy, and only needs the NT box to be brought down to swap the disks over. Cheers, Laurie. [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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begging letters / adverts / more meet qs
by alug＠stu.uea.ac.uk 12 Apr '99

12 Apr '99

* From: Andrew Savory <A.Savory(a)uea.ac.uk> On Sun, 11 Apr 1999 alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk wrote: > Maybe if they're local companies they ask "What's in it for me?" so we > could offer to place advertisements in position where people can see > them like "COME TO JOE BLOGGS COMPUTERS at etc etc" just for a bit of > free advertising, it may work it may not True. Banner ads on the website? Company logos on all our printed materials? I'm happy to sell my soul for a stack of free CD-Rs etc ;-) Another thing I keep forgetting to mention about the meeting - if several of us are planning on bringing machines, and some of you want to install linux etc, we need to decide on a type of network. I vote cheapernet (BNC style connections) over CAT-5, if only cos I've got three lengths of cable I can lay my hands on. It also means we don't need to worry about hubs etc... Anyone graphically-minded out there and willing to throw together a few posters? Posters need to include: Name of event: Anglian Linux User Group Meeting Date/Time: 2 or 3pm, 2nd May 1999 Venue: er, Laurie, what's the full address? Contact: http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ or me (details in press release) Details: perhaps a bit of blurb about it? Andrew. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- A.Savory(a)uea.ac.uk - 01603 593473 - ITCS, University of East Anglia, NR4 7TJ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Re: [ALUG] Status of alug.lug.org.uk subdomain and mailing list..
by Laurie Brown 12 Apr '99

12 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk wrote: > > * From: Andrew Savory <A.Savory(a)uea.ac.uk> > > On Sun, 11 Apr 1999 Mark wrote: > > > Should I go away more often? ;) > > I'm quietly biting my tongue :-) > > > 3pm so we don't clash with the Jazz? > > Or we could make the Jazz the first thing on the agenda! A few drinks and > some good music would be a great way to kick things off... The Jazz is scheduled to finish at 2:30, but will almost certainly go on until 3pm. The room I've set aside for us is at the other end of the Hotel (I can't have geeks mixing with normal people ;^)) and is some 20 foot by 40 foot (should be big enough). If we do start during the Jazz, it won't interfere with us. > > I'd swap the troubleshoot and the demos, so that the open-ended > > item is the last one. Apart from the first bit, I take it > > we're going for an open-style meeting with bits of kit on > > tables around the room? Agreed, and yes, I expect bits of kit, so I think it needs to be pretty open-ended. Sometimes, I have no doubt that we'll have meetings where we won't be able to spread kit about, so let's make use of it while we can. > Yep, fair enough. Kinda depends on how many people want demos really, > although it would be good if we got some "not using linux, but wanting to > see what it's all about" types at the meet. Agreed. > On a side note, I'm thinking of writing to local computer companies to see > if we can scrounge some goodies from them. I was thinking PC World, > Software Warehouse, Time - any others in East Anglia worth hassling? Try paul(a)bentek.co.uk > I thought I'd say something like.... > > ================================ > > Dear _______, > > On Sunday 2nd May 1999 the Anglian Linux User Group will be holding its > inaugural meeting. We are expecting a good crowd of people from all walks > of life to attend what is sure to be an entertaining and informative > introduction to linux. > > As I'm sure you are aware, the free linux operating system has been > gaining huge amounts of support both from computing hobbyists and > professionals and the mainstream press. The Anglian Linux User Group is > just one sign of the growing support for the operating system in this > region. > > I am writing to you to ask if you would be able to support this event. > Sponsorship in whatever form of this event would be a very good way for > your company to show support for your customers, which in turn I'm sure > would encourage your customers to visit you more frequently. > > Particular areas where help would be appreciated include: > > * Software - copies of RedHat Linux or Applixware as sold by your company > would be extremely welcome during the "installation" part of our meeting; > > * Media - blank CDs would be useful, as we intend to provide visitors with > copies of other free software such as Netscape. > > * Financial - any donations to the Anglian Linux User Group would help us > to cover our overheads and would ensure a glowing recommendation of your > company! > > Thank you for your time, and if you wish to discuss any ways you can help > further, please do not hesitate to contact me. > > Yours, > > blah. > > ================================ > > What do you think? It's worth a go! Go for it! Cheers, Laurie. [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Minor tweak to alug@stu and the html template
by Mark J Ray 11 Apr '99

11 Apr '99

* List: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk Hi all remaining people, I'm becoming increasingly disconcerted by the problems at lists.lug.org.uk, so I've actually done some maintenance on this list. Messages now appear to be from their senders, so you'll have to filter on the [ALUG] subject tag... Sorry about that. When the other list resurfaces, I'll ask about whether we really want to use that one if it's going to keep goofing around... Also, to take into consideration the new colours on www.anglian.lug.org.uk, I've edited the HTML template file at http://www.mth.uea.ac.uk/~h089/alug/ and sever masochists can now get my px2h template file in the maker.tar.gz. -- Mark. Stats Postgrad mailto:M.J.Ray@UEA.ac.uk http://stats.mth.uea.ac.uk/ UEA Norwich UK mailto:markj@stu.uea.ac.uk http://www.stu.uea.ac.uk/ What's On? http://www.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/entsdb?Q [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Re: [ALUG] begging letters / adverts / more meet qs
by alug＠stu.uea.ac.uk 11 Apr '99

11 Apr '99

* From: Mark J Ray <h089(a)uea.ac.uk> On Sun, Apr 11, 1999 at 12:26:42PM +0100, alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk wrote: > * From: Paul Ward > I'll have go at designing some posters etc Thanks. If you can make the results available as gzipped postscript, we'll shove them up all over the place, I'm sure. As per your request for decent Linux info: I started trying to compile a list, but it would be much better coming from someone rather newer to this game than me. As soon as Martyn gives CGI access to the main site, Andrew has got my link indexing script... hensa.linuxberg.com then follow links may be a good start, though. And please, invite your friends to join us. Everyone! Hopefully, we can move to the new list now, Martyn? Has James's problem been fixed? -- Mark. Stats Postgrad mailto:M.J.Ray@UEA.ac.uk http://stats.mth.uea.ac.uk/ UEA Norwich UK mailto:markj@stu.uea.ac.uk http://www.stu.uea.ac.uk/ What's On? http://www.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/entsdb?Q [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Re: [ALUG] begging letters / adverts / more meet qs
by alug＠stu.uea.ac.uk 11 Apr '99

11 Apr '99

* From: Paul Ward <pward(a)linklaters.com> By the way I don't know if this is common knowledge but SuSE linux 6.1 with Kernel 2.2.5, KDE 1.1 and gnome 1.0 will be out the day after the meeting 3/5/99 This could be a topic for debate or maybe if someone could get hold of a preview copy please see web site http://www.suse.de/e/ Thanks Paul ____________________________________________________________ This message is confidential. It may also be privileged or otherwise protected by work product immunity or other legal rules. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system; you should not copy the message or disclose its contents to anyone. ____________________________________________________________ [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Re: [ALUG] begging letters / adverts / more meet qs
by alug＠stu.uea.ac.uk 11 Apr '99

11 Apr '99

* From: Paul Ward <pward(a)linklaters.com> 4 ports in the hub ____________________________________________________________ This message is confidential. It may also be privileged or otherwise protected by work product immunity or other legal rules. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system; you should not copy the message or disclose its contents to anyone. ____________________________________________________________ [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Re: [ALUG] begging letters / adverts / more meet qs
by alug＠stu.uea.ac.uk 11 Apr '99

11 Apr '99

* From: Andrew Savory <A.Savory(a)uea.ac.uk> On Sun, 11 Apr 1999 alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk wrote: > By the way I've got this "natty" or so I think it is !!! network kit > from PC world to link 2 PC's together for file sharing etc - I haven't > had time to set it up (it is two lengths of T Base 10 cable with a hub - > perhaps if I bring that we could get it installed so I could then do it > at home ? - just a thought. Think I've seen it - sure, bring it along. We should be able to get it up and running. How many ports in the hub? It could act as a bridge between the cheapernet and cat-5 types of network, if need be... Should probably move onto anglian(a)lists.lug.org.uk now, folks... Andrew. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- A.Savory(a)uea.ac.uk - 01603 593473 - ITCS, University of East Anglia, NR4 7TJ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Re: [ALUG] begging letters / adverts / more meet qs
by alug＠stu.uea.ac.uk 11 Apr '99

11 Apr '99

* From: Paul Ward <pward(a)linklaters.com> I'll have go at designing some posters etc By the way I've got this "natty" or so I think it is !!! network kit from PC world to link 2 PC's together for file sharing etc - I haven't had time to set it up (it is two lengths of T Base 10 cable with a hub - perhaps if I bring that we could get it installed so I could then do it at home ? - just a thought. Anyway I'll wait to hear from your reply . I'm at work here until 4.00pm today see ya Paul ____________________________________________________________ This message is confidential. It may also be privileged or otherwise protected by work product immunity or other legal rules. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system; you should not copy the message or disclose its contents to anyone. ____________________________________________________________ [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Re: [ALUG] Status of alug.lug.org.uk subdomain and mailing list..
by alug＠stu.uea.ac.uk 11 Apr '99

11 Apr '99

* From: Paul Ward <pward(a)linklaters.com> Good Idea Maybe if they're local companies they ask "What's in it for me?" so we could offer to place advertisements in position where people can see them like "COME TO JOE BLOGGS COMPUTERS at etc etc" just for a bit of free advertising, it may work it may not I know the company I work for would ask that. Paul Ward Colchester. ____________________________________________________________ This message is confidential. It may also be privileged or otherwise protected by work product immunity or other legal rules. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system; you should not copy the message or disclose its contents to anyone. ____________________________________________________________ [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Status of alug.lug.org.uk subdomain and mailing list..
by alug＠stu.uea.ac.uk 11 Apr '99

11 Apr '99

* From: "Martyn B. Drake" <martyn(a)drake.org.uk> I've finally got confirmation that www.anglian.lug.org.uk has come through. I've just gotten around to setting up the web space for that, so it's already for someone to upload their stuff. The lug.org.uk mailing list should be available by today, but there appears to be some configuration problems at their end (I tried subscribing myself to the list, but got a configuration error back - I've emailed the chap and hopefully that'll get fixed fairly shortly). I'll post details when it's ready for use. Email addresses at the anglian.lux.org.uk domain are almost ready - again, this looks like another configuration error (an MX record points to www.anglian.lug.org.uk and not anglian.lux.org.uk - I've pointed this out to the lug.org.uk chap and this should get fixed soon). If anyone wants an email forwarding address at anglian.lug.org.uk, just email me and I'll get those set-up on Monday. M. [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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[anglian] Mmm .. methinks a cockup in the Majordomo config..
by Martyn Drake 11 Apr '99

11 Apr '99

I tried to reply to Mark Ray's recent message and got a bounce back, since the Reply-To address is: mailto:anglian@@lists.lug.org.uk I'm beginning to regret having to use lug.org.uk - I've had to mail the lug.org.uk owner quite a bit yesterday to correct problems :( M. - UK Linux User Groups http://www.lug.org.uk This list sponsored by Mythical Solutions http://www.myth.co.uk

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Re: [ALUG] Status of alug.lug.org.uk subdomain and mailing list..
by alug＠stu.uea.ac.uk 11 Apr '99

11 Apr '99

* From: Paul Ward <pward(a)linklaters.com> Thanks, that's great to know - I'll be along _ and I'll try to get a few colleagues along (who I've tried to get interested in it as well) Can you point me in the right direction of where to find BASIC, TOY-TOWN linux information for beginners. I posted a mesasge a couple of weeks ago and got a reply stating "why don't you read the documentation and leave us alone until you become more proficient" - kinda put me off for a bit But anyway, thanks for the reply Paul ____________________________________________________________ This message is confidential. It may also be privileged or otherwise protected by work product immunity or other legal rules. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system; you should not copy the message or disclose its contents to anyone. ____________________________________________________________ [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Re: [ALUG] Status of alug.lug.org.uk subdomain and mailing list..
by alug＠stu.uea.ac.uk 11 Apr '99

11 Apr '99

* From: Mark J Ray <h089(a)uea.ac.uk> > * From: Paul Ward > I'm on your mailing list, but I may be a bit out of my depth. > I've only just started using LINUX so I'm not that up on all the tekki > jargon yet, so I wouln't wan't to appear to be a complete dork (even if > I am one) > If it's okay I may ask (what may appear to be to you) some really daft > questions > Can you all bare with me ??? Not a daft question at all! This group isn't for magi or gurus only. We need everyone to be involved, from those "just looking" at Linux, who want a bit of a hand as they install it and set it up for the first time, right the way through to the experienced ones who are responsible for keeping Linux-based servers running 24/24 7/7. (We need the latter to help the former too.) The main aim of this group is to provide a physical Linux community for this region. I think we're all going to learn some new things. Just look at Andrew's suggested timetable for the first meeting. Just look at the mailing list archive ( http://www.mth.uea.ac.uk/~h089/alug/list/ ) to see the range as people have introduced themselves. And, even though we mention the newsgroup, we're not against helping out with Linux on the list if we can, are we folks? So come on Paul, follow Martyn's instructions and join the new list with us! Look forward to seeing you next month. -- Mark. Stats Postgrad mailto:M.J.Ray@UEA.ac.uk http://stats.mth.uea.ac.uk/ UEA Norwich UK mailto:markj@stu.uea.ac.uk http://www.stu.uea.ac.uk/ What's On? http://www.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/entsdb?Q [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Re: [ALUG] Status of alug.lug.org.uk subdomain and mailing list..
by alug＠stu.uea.ac.uk 11 Apr '99

11 Apr '99

* From: Paul Ward <pward(a)linklaters.com> Hi all I'm on your mailing list, but I may be a bit out of my depth. I've only just started using LINUX so I'm not that up on all the tekki jargon yet, so I wouln't wan't to appear to be a complete dork (even if I am one) If it's okay I may ask (what may appear to be to you) some really daft questions Can you all bare with me ??? Regards Paul ____________________________________________________________ This message is confidential. It may also be privileged or otherwise protected by work product immunity or other legal rules. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system; you should not copy the message or disclose its contents to anyone. ____________________________________________________________ [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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[anglian] List Archive
by Mark J Ray 11 Apr '99

11 Apr '99

Just in case you've stopped listening to the other list already, the combined archive of both lists is at http://www.mth.uea.ac.uk/~h089/alug/list/ -- Mark. Stats Postgrad mailto:M.J.Ray@UEA.ac.uk http://stats.mth.uea.ac.uk/ UEA Norwich UK mailto:markj@stu.uea.ac.uk http://www.stu.uea.ac.uk/ What's On? http://www.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/entsdb?Q - UK Linux User Groups http://www.lug.org.uk This list sponsored by Mythical Solutions http://www.myth.co.uk

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Welcome to anglian
by Majordomo＠lists.lug.org.uk 11 Apr '99

11 Apr '99

-- Welcome to the anglian mailing list! Please save this message for future reference. Thank you. If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to <Majordomo(a)lists.lug.org.uk> with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe anglian or from another account, besides M.J.Ray(a)UEA.ac.uk: unsubscribe anglian M.J.Ray(a)UEA.ac.uk If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to <owner-anglian(a)lists.lug.org.uk> . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. Here's the general information for the list you've subscribed to, in case you don't already have it: * A N G L I A N L I N U X U S E R G R O U P * This is the general discussion list angian(a)lists.lug.org.uk. We welcome all help in organising the ALUG. Hopefully, this will be the main place for that. While we are not against general Linux discussion, the newsgroup uk.comp.os.linux may be more helpful/appropriate.

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New site and new list...
by alug＠stu.uea.ac.uk 10 Apr '99

10 Apr '99

* From: Andrew Savory <A.Savory(a)uea.ac.uk> Hi all, I've moved a couple of the pages over to http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ and fixed the subscribe forms (on the About page). So, to move across to the official shiny new mailing list, all you need to do is go to: http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/about.html#subscribe .. type your email address in the box, and click on Subscribe! It's that easy. (Assuming it works :-) See you all on the new list... Andrew. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Web Consultant | Email: a.savory at uea.ac.uk IT and Computing Services | URL: http://www.uea.ac.uk/ University of East Anglia | All views are my own - Norwich, NR4 7TJ, UK | who else would want them? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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IMPORTANT: New mailing list details
by alug＠stu.uea.ac.uk 10 Apr '99

10 Apr '99

* From: "Martyn B. Drake" <martyn(a)drake.org.uk> Hi folks, The folk at lug.org.uk have fixed the earlier problem - they didn't set the right permissions on the files :) Anyway, to subscribe to the new discussion list, simply do the following:- 1. Send a message to majordomo(a)lists.lug.org.uk with the "subscribe anglian" (without quotes) in the body of the message. 2. Await an answer from the Majordomo server (usually 5 secs or so for it to be processed) which will ask for confirmation of your subscription. Follow the instructions within the message to confirm subscription. 3. You're now subscribed! To send messages to the list, address all mail to anglian(a)lists.lug.org.uk. You may want to filter on [anglian] within your respective email clients so that the resulting messages don't mess up your Inbox. I'm not sure whether there is a digest facility with this list, but I should know soon. Any problems? Email me and I'll do my best to help. M. [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Re: [ALUG] Status of alug.lug.org.uk subdomain and mailing list..
by alug＠stu.uea.ac.uk 10 Apr '99

10 Apr '99

* From: "Martyn B. Drake" <martyn(a)drake.org.uk> Spelling mistakes aside, we're now listed on the main www.lug.org.uk site. M. ----- Original Message ----- From: <alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk> To: <alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 1999 4:38 PM Subject: [ALUG] Status of alug.lug.org.uk subdomain and mailing list.. * From: "Martyn B. Drake" <martyn(a)drake.org.uk> I've finally got confirmation that www.anglian.lug.org.uk has come through. I've just gotten around to setting up the web space for that, so it's already for someone to upload their stuff. [ snipped ] [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Things to do...
by alug＠stu.uea.ac.uk 09 Apr '99

09 Apr '99

* From: Andrew Savory <A.Savory(a)uea.ac.uk> Hi all, I've thrown together some VERY basic web pages,take a peek at: http://www.cpc.uea.ac.uk/alug/ These are just an idea of a framework that we could all knock into shape. On the website front, I agree anglian.lug.org.uk is the right thing to do. I think we could also do with throwing together some form of press release that we can send out to all the local papers; something that gives them enough background info to give us a bit of free advertising. Before we do any mainstream advertising, however, I think we need to make a firm decision on venue/date for the first meeting. I've not heard any major dissent, so do we go for some time over Sat 1st/Sun 2nd/Mon 3rd May? If no-one else is silly enough to volunteer, I'll sign up to co-ordinate the first meeting. I'll also happily stump up the 47$ to make us a member of "Groups of Linux Users Everywhere" (GLUE - http://www.ssc.com/glue/) in the hopes of getting some freebies to give away at the first meeting. Does this seem like a good idea? Andrew. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- A.Savory(a)uea.ac.uk - 01603 593473 - ITCS, University of East Anglia, NR4 7TJ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Why we should not form a committee or a single website
by alug＠stu.uea.ac.uk 09 Apr '99

09 Apr '99

* From: Mark J Ray <h089(a)uea.ac.uk> WARNING: LONGISH MESSAGE FOLLOWS. SUMMARY: There is a LUG HOWTO; We've nearly done the setting-up tasks suggested; Request comments on: The ALUG web site: a WWWVL-ish model? http://www.mth.uea.ac.uk/~h089/alug/template.html Intentional lack of a committee Limitation of the use of the ALUG name/voice Recognition of donations I've emailed Northants and Cambs. MESSAGE FOLLOWS Hi all I've just been looking through the LUG HOWTO (yes, it does exist! What was I saying on uk.comp.os.linux about the excellent documentation for Linux?) and I came across the following to-do list for setting up a LUG. Thought you may like to review it with me: DONE * Determine the nearest pre-existing LUG (Cambridge and Northants) DONE * Announce your intentions on comp.os.linux.announce and on an appropriate regional hierarchy (Well, uk.comp.os.linux and uk.local.east-anglia) * Announce your intention wherever computer users are in your area: bookstores, swap meets, cybercafes, colleges and universities, corporations, Internet service providers, etc. * Find Linux-friendly businesses or institutions in your area that may be willing to help you form the LUG Would people be interested in helping in these two? As soon as we've got some meeting details, someone with artistic ability could make a PostScript file of a poster available for the first. I guess the second is happening a bit already, with the nice support people are giving us ;) DONE * Form a mailing list or some means of communication between the people who express an interest in forming a LUG * Ask key people specifically for help in spreading the word about your intention to form a LUG Who do you think they mean? DONE * Solicit space on a Web server to put a few HTML pages together about the group We've more than enough places being offered. More about this a bit later. DONE * Begin looking for a meeting place NEAR * Schedule an initial meeting * Discuss at the initial meeting the goals for the LUG One for the meeting, Andrew! So, as you can see, we're pretty close to target already. The next bit of the list you can go read for yourself. Whereas some goes without saying ("Install Linux for anyone who wants it" etc) and some are really good ideas ("Meet in conjunction with computer shows"), there are some I completely disagree with. See what you think of: * Secure dedicated leadership * Elect formal leadership for the LUG as soon as is practical: some helpful officers might include President, Treasurer, Secretary, [...] Now, I've done this before, in various forms, and most of the time it follows the same predictable route: 25% of the time you get a really good committee and it's a blast for all involved; 25% you get a diabolical committee and it stands a chance of dying; half the time you get an average committee and it continues as it was before. The whole "committee" idea has some fairly major pitfalls to avoid: cliques, irrelevance and legality to name but three. What we're doing at the moment, with the mailing list as the "supreme body" of ALUG, looks like it may work. OK, we have the alug/alug-announce distinction between those people who are actually a working part of the group and those who just want to be kept informed about us, but it allows us to become more or less involved as time permits. We now have a de facto "hostmaster" for our domain, Martyn Drake, and Andrew Savory has agreed to co-ordinate the first meeting. The rest of us are donating things as needed: support, time, ideas, resources. If that's going to continue (I hope so!) and we think that most new members are likely to participate in a similar spirit, then I think we should NOT form a committee. After all, to quote the LUG HOWTO again for what makes Linux unique: This loose structure is not likely to change with regard to Linux as a software project. And it's a good thing, too. Linux works precisely because people are free to come and go as they please I am well aware that not having an organising committee has its weaknesses too. (No-one having time to organise a meeting is actually less of an issue, as there is a bigger pool of potential meetings co-ordinators to draw from.) The main among them are a higher list traffic, as everything is open for discussion by all members, less ability to resolve contentious decisions (as a clear on-list majority is required, else things will fail) and no-one being able to speak on behalf of the group apart from in limited capacities. (Linux avoids this because Linus can speak for it as a whole. We have no "benevolent dictator" and nor should we.) Following on from that last point, I'd like to suggest that regardless of who actually writes and orchestrates the press release announcing our formation, Andrew has to agree to (and put his name to) it, as our "First ALUG Meeting Coordinator". I also propose that anyone who donates anything to ALUG is mentioned on the appropriate bit of the website. Laurie, Martyn, Andrew and Net Communications have also made/are making major contributions to the group so far. I've probably missed someone out there. Right, the website: we seem to be blessed with a number of people willing to create websites, so rather than have to assign the management of the whole site to any one person, I'd like it if _everyone_ who wants to creates a page (or more) about something useful to ALUG. The main website then becomes an index for members own sites, in a WWWVL sort of way. (If you haven't seen the WWWVL, the UK mirror is at http://www.mth.uea.ac.uk/VL/ oddly enough.) Just please keep us informed about what you're doing so that we don't duplicate too much work. I've a suggested template available at http://www.mth.uea.ac.uk/~h089/alug/template.html -- download it (and alug_bar.gif and alug_logo.jpg) to your own site and use it as a base for your pages. I doubt anyone will care much how much you change, as long as you link back to the ALUG index near the top of each page. So, Andrew, can you change www.cpc.uea.ac.uk/alug/ into the index site for the time being (and keep the list info page and put up a first meeting info page). As soon as www.anglian.lug.org.uk is up, bounce people there and I'll change the template. And finally (at last!), as no-one else told me they have, I'm just emailing Northants and Cambridge LUGs about our first meeting. Now to get some proper work done... Hope you agree with all that ;) -- Mark. Stats Postgrad mailto:M.J.Ray@UEA.ac.uk http://stats.mth.uea.ac.uk/ UEA Norwich UK mailto:markj@stu.uea.ac.uk http://www.stu.uea.ac.uk/ My Windows unders~1 long filena~1, and yours? (r0gi(a)chat.ru) [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Mailing list created
by alug＠stu.uea.ac.uk 09 Apr '99

09 Apr '99

* From: Mark J Ray <h089(a)uea.ac.uk> Argh. Just found I did a typo in my message, so it bounced horribly because I'm not a list member... Hi everyone, Thanks for your interest in the Anglian Linux User Group. This email list has been set up for general discussion about ALUG. Please check that this is what appears in your from line, else you can't send to this list: laurie(a)brownowl.com daniel(a)capricorn1.demon.co.uk A.J.Savory(a)uea.ac.uk Paul.Russell(a)uea.ac.uk W.B.Hill(a)uea.ac.uk eric(a)sponsystems.freeserve.co.uk livia(a)neosaur.demon.co.uk h089(a)uea.ac.uk D.Casal(a)uea.ac.uk phil(a)marcmstr.demon.co.uk dermot.musgrove(a)virgin.net richard(a)mieussy.freeserve.co.uk jg(a)cyberstorm.demon.co.uk newspost(a)ttfn35.freeserve.co.uk raph(a)panache.demon.co.uk martyn(a)drake.org.uk The welcome message for this list is: * A N G L I A N L I N U X U S E R G R O U P * This is the general discussion list alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk. We welcome all help in organising the ALUG. Hopefully, this will be the main place for that. While we are not against general Linux discussion, the newsgroup uk.comp.os.linux may be more helpful/appropriate. If you wish to get announcements of events only, please leave this list by sending "unsubscribe" in the subject line to this list and send "subscribe" in the subject line to alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk, without the quotes, of course. All messages sent to the announcements list are also sent to this list by default. ---END--- Hopefully, this list will do most of the event organising, as who has free time will doubtless vary from month to month. As some of you may know, Laurie has offered Melton Grange, Suffolk, www.meltongrange.co.uk, for the first meeting. Is May Day weekend a possibility? If we had it on the Sunday, I could catch the Jazz before, perhaps ;) Anyway, I think we need people to do these tasks pretty urgently: Make an information website Someone to tell the various places that our new LUG exists Someone to co-ordinate the first meeting Other stuff I haven't thought of Martyn has suggested we get someone from a company using Linux to come and give a talk. I believe he's making enquiries. I suggest we get machines set up with the latest Gnome, KDE and WM there for people to have a look at, if people would volunteer, along with the obligatory install CDs... As ever, it's over to you. I'll help when I can. -- Mark. Stats Postgrad mailto:M.J.Ray@UEA.ac.uk http://stats.mth.uea.ac.uk/ UEA Norwich UK mailto:markj@stu.uea.ac.uk http://www.stu.uea.ac.uk/ "Windows is a binary timebomb" -- jclayton [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Description for the majordomo list..
by alug＠stu.uea.ac.uk 09 Apr '99

09 Apr '99

* From: "Martyn B. Drake" <martyn(a)drake.org.uk> Hi, In preperation of the new mailing list which is currently being arranged through the services of lug.org.uk, I was wondering how best to describe the list. Can anybody offer any suggestions for what should be used for when people send an "info <anglian>" command to the majordomo server? Should have the web space set-up by the weekend (possibly Monday if not) and the majordomo list should follow shortly after that. M. [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Re: [ALUG] Mailing list created
by alug＠stu.uea.ac.uk 08 Apr '99

08 Apr '99

* From: "ERiC" <eric(a)sponsystems.freeserve.co.uk> Helloo Flying visit but I thought you'd wanna know I'm alive ; ) Good on ya Mark for getting this lot started. Oops, my boss is shouting again... Cheers ERiC [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Subdomain applied for..
by alug＠stu.uea.ac.uk 08 Apr '99

08 Apr '99

* From: "Martyn B. Drake" <martyn(a)drake.org.uk> I've now applied to lug.org.uk for the subdomain of anglian.lug.org.uk - hopefully I should hear from someone soon and I will then set-up the appropriate web space and email forwarding on the mail server. You will have to put up with a "hosted by Net Communications" icon somewhere on the pages, but we'll have access to comprehensive statistics, plenty of bandwidth and resources to maintain the site. More news as I get it.. M. [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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Sending mail to this list
by alug＠stu.uea.ac.uk 07 Apr '99

07 Apr '99

You may send mail to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk only if you are subscribed to the list. To subscribe, send a message to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk with the Subject set to 'subscribe'. [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECT of "unsubscribe" to this list and "subscribe" to ] [ alug-announce(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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SMP & Celerons
by Raphael Mankin 06 Jan '98

06 Jan '98

Does anyone have experience of running SMP with Celerons? I have such a system. Linux builds and boots fine and recognises both CPUs. NT will not install. I get BSOD when it is probing the hardware. Error msg is 'inaccessible boot device'. Now I know that there are dire warnings ahout Celerons not working at all, but Abit make a specific Celeron SMP board. And Linux seems to be OK. See also http://www.kikumaru.com/pc/celeron/index_e.html -- Politics: The conduct of public affairs for private advantage Ambrose Bierce Raphael Mankin E-Mail: raph(a)panache.demon.co.uk ---------------------------------- [ This email came to you via the Anglian Linux User Group list ] [ If you only wish to recieve event announcements, email the ] [ SUBJECTs of "unsubscribe alug" and "subscribe alug-announce" ] [ to listserver(a)stu.uea.ac.uk -- We do need your support, tho' ]

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