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RE: [Alug] Help on Mandrake 8.1 please!I had no trouble with 6.4 to 8.0 Mandrake, but what am I doing wrong
by Ricardo Campos 24 Jan '02

24 Jan '02

> Good advice from Syd it does save on downlaod time but will always be out of > date so it's well worth adding the ftp update site to the defined sources. If you're lucky enough to have a good ISP that doesn't disconnect you after 3 hours, and a unmetered connection, you can keep pretty up-to-date over a couple of nights. (I don't tend to use my phone at 4am-but keep my mobile on while it's charging in case of emergencies). The only problem is when there's a problem, which occurred once, when the ftp server itself hiccupped- aborting all cued d/l's. Of course, I could've added some mirrors... Ricardo _______________________________________________ "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net Check my online diary out: http://www.rscampos.net/blog.html -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Help on Mandrake 8.1 please!I had no trouble with 6.4 to 8.0 Mandrake, but what am I doing wrong
by terryfilby 24 Jan '02

24 Jan '02

> I had no trouble with 6.4 to 8.0 Mandrake, but what am I doing wrong > with 8.1. Went to Konqueror as usual, pressed Mnt and CDRom - nothing > happened. I've now tried typing in MOUNT /Dev/cdrom/ /mnt/cdrom - then - > cd /mnt/cdrom - and can then get a view of the RPM's in Konqueror, but, > afterwards I have to umount - there must be an easier way to get to the > RPM's, but what? > > Thanks > > Terry > >

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Re: [Alug] RedHat7.2
by MJ Ray 23 Jan '02

23 Jan '02

Earl, > This is not possible under Debian, you have to learn another way > (make-kpkg). No, only if you want it packaged for the distribution. You can still lob random files (eg a kernel) in random locations (eg /boot) if you want, but why make life hard for yourself? > Standards (especially de-facto) are a good thing. There should always be a > choice between the Standard and any extensions which an individual distro > may have added. The only major distribution shipping a less tailored kernel than debian, when last I looked, was Slackware. With debian, you can download a Linus kernel and compile it into a package without editing the kernel files -- how cool is that? > As I say - not knocking make-kpkg, its actually very good. But is it not > possible to alter the install files to update the apt database when > installing a kernel using make ? Only if you buggered about with the standard kernel Makefile. Debian doesn't want to do that, so you have make-kpkg. So, which do you want? Proper kernel which you can package, or buggered kernel which you can make "properly"? > PS. written word does not convey tongue firmly planted in cheek, please bare > this in mind prior to slamming me. Life's too short. :oP Indeed ;-) -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] RedHat7.2
by MJ Ray 23 Jan '02

23 Jan '02

> [...] (including up2date- their security update tool), Hrm? Doesn't that require registration? > So, I would have to reccommend it highly, even though I know some people on t > his list will have vociferous opinions against it! ;) Yes, I'd recommend Mandrake ahead of it and would probably suggest looking at the "install once, upgrade forever" Debian. Has anyone tried demudi yet? -- MJR

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RE: [Alug] RedHat7.2
by Ricardo Campos 23 Jan '02

23 Jan '02

LOL I knew you Deb guys would bite! ;-) Yes, the Red Hat Update requires registration, but they do not block freemail accounts, or require any kind of activation code for the security updates. (i.e. give em a temporary hotmail acct and fake address and name if you want) Software updates other than that are achievable through www.freshrpms.net or rpmfind.net, and doesn't require as much fiddling as Mandrake... (Mandrakes' claim of 99% compatability with RH RPMS is I think, cough, *massively* overstated). What I was impressed with was that I had EVERYTHING working within 4 hours ( except the slight internet hiccup and my USB CD-writer). Leaving me time to do fun stuff like not using my computer. ;) With Debian I floundered with no usable X installation for.... well, weeks, before I gave up. This is for a home use computer, not a server btw. You wouldn't really bother with a super-dooper Geforce AGP card in a server, would you? (well, maybe if you're fond of Quake3 on your LAN! ;) I guess time will tell whether I will prefer Deb or RH as a standalone home PC or not. I'm not saying Deb sux, I'm just saying I got this working to my satisfaction very quickly, it does everything I want, and does it well with the minimum of fuss. Anyway, there are pros and cons, hence why I'm doing a little HTML review. (eventually) ______________________________________________________ "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net Check my online diary out: http://www.rscampos.net/blog.html -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] c compiler prob
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 23 Jan '02

23 Jan '02

Richard Kettlewell wrote: >Are you trying to install individual *.deb files that you have >downloaded from somewhere, or trying to use an interface such as >dselect or apt that tries to resolve dependencies for you >automatically? Using apt-get. "dpkg --audit" - executing this doesn't do anything. >My experience is that mixing 'stable' and 'testing' is more hassle >than it's worth; better to pick one and stick with it. It was more of an idiotic disaster than an intentional thing. MJRay wrote: >Jenny: > I'm getting the error message "C compiler cannot create executables" when > trying to compile something. >Is that because you don't have part of the compiler toolchain installed >(bin86 and friends)? I don't think I do - dselect is offering to install an enormous num,ber of things, including bin86. It is asking for the cdrom, which is at home alas, so I'll have to wait till tomorrow. Grrrrr. >try "apt-get --reinstall install libc6" to see if >it resolves it "reinstallation of libc6 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded" I've done apt-get clean, update and upgrade,. Many thanks to all for suggestions. I'll try dselect again tomorrow when i have the cdrom here and see if that mends its brokenness. Jenny.

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RedHat7.2
by Ricardo Campos 23 Jan '02

23 Jan '02

Thanks to Martyn, I now have RedHat 7.2 on my system at home. I'm in the process of doing a comparison between RH7.2 and Mandrake8.0 (I know that's not exactly fair!) to put up on the web. But to cut a long story short: *Jumps up and down, grins widely* IT ROCKS!!!!!! Other than the rp3 hiccup, everything works beautifully, ALL my hardware, ALL the programs, security seems good (including up2date- their security update tool), in fact some things I thought would take endless hours took a matter of a few minutes. So, I would have to reccommend it highly, even though I know some people on this list will have vociferous opinions against it! ;) Of course, this is all in the light of the AOL-TW > RH rumours, but still. It rocks. ;) _______________________________________________ "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net Check my online diary out: http://www.rscampos.net/blog.html -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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lift from St Neots?
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 23 Jan '02

23 Jan '02

Hi all, someone from Clug is looking for a lift for this Sunday coming in from St Neots - I said i would ask just in case anyone comes from that way. Thanks, Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] klyx and outputing html
by MJ Ray 23 Jan '02

23 Jan '02

Paul: > Do we have any experts on using klyx - The GUI frontend to lyx. I think you mean the KDE port of LyX, the GUI frontend to latex. > I have been asked to assemble the tools for writing a user manual and we > will need to be able to export html, pdf, and others. Having written a > page or two under klyx, I can find no easy way to export the various > formats. The klyx docs are not particularly helpful in this area. (Other > questions in the pipeline) Export it from LyX to LaTeX. Then you can use pdflatex (requires graphics in PNG IIRC) and htlatex to produce pdf and html respectively. latex and dvips will produce Postscript for your printers. latex and dvi2tty, or htlatex and html2text or dvitty will produce plain text. Any other formats you can't generate from those? > Or should we be looking at an alternative set of tools ? Maybe, but I'm not sure what. I've not seriously looked at the available choices (given the need for a nice GUI front-end) for a while. The other obvious one off the top of my head would be something that produced DocBk XML for processing via Cocoon2. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] pop3 daemon....
by MJ Ray 22 Jan '02

22 Jan '02

Simon: > I've been swayed towards qpopper.... Anyone anything adverse to say about > it? Yep, I hate the flaming thing. Compile-time configuration and security problems while I was working with it. It is only marginally better than the UW one. You really want to be looking at either solid or courier, I think, depending on your current setup, how much work you're willing to put in and what features you want. -- MJR

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