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gentoo and portage
by Glen Tyler 15 Mar '04

15 Mar '04

Hi, a question to any gentoo users on the list. I have just installed gentoo 1.4 on my second machine (Cele 333, 256MB PC100) and I'm impressed - using the stage 1 tarball has compiled a pretty nifty OS and KDE desktop compared to the Mandrake/Fedora distros that I've had on there before. The main worry I have is that if I try to emerge-sync I'll be inundated with 1000's of updates and my poor ol' 28.8 connection will be tied up for a week. I've looked at the web site documentation, but there is no suggestion of using anything but portage for updates. I'm guessing that portage just adds a script to the sources (maybe a patch or two), but does anyone know if I can just download the script and patch then use the source that I already have? I'd like to use portage as it seems excellent, but would prefer to be more efficient with my online time.. best wishes Glen

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ALUG is 5 years old
by John Woodard 15 Mar '04

15 Mar '04

ALUG is 5 on May 2nd this year! What are we going to do to celebrate? Any of you firestarters want to do something special? I like quite a few of you who are still here, was at Woodbridge on that Sunday in 1999. ALUG has given me so much over the past 5 years, many friends, much help and a real sense of being part of something that is very special, I feel we really should mark this event. Cheers, BJ

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 15 Mar '04

15 Mar '04

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Re: [ALUG] Anyone want Mandrake 10 ISOs?
by Richard Lewis 14 Mar '04

14 Mar '04

On Monday 08 Mar 2004 17:55, you wrote: > On Monday 08 Mar 2004 9:17 am, Richard Lewis wrote: > > >I downloaded the Mandrake 10 community edition ISOs today, so if > > > anyone's in Norwich and would like a copy let me know and I'll burn > > > some CDs for you. > > > > Um, I think only Mandrake club members can donwload the ISOs at the > > moment. If you are and have respectively then you probably shouldn't give > > them away to non-club members. Community edition will be available for > > general d'load soon. > > > > Cheers, > > Richard > > They are already available on eBay. I say this not as a justification but > merely for information. > > Ian Just to let you know: Mandrake 10.0 Community ISOs are now available for public download from the usual Mandrake mirrors! However, note the new release system for Mandrake: the Community Edition is more of a pre-release. Bug fixing and security updates will contain to be made to the main package tree and, in two months time, an Official Edition of the main tree will be released as ISOs. Its a bit like an extended testing period. The consequence that users would do well to have a good Internet connection and collect packages from the network rather than installation media so as to keep on top of updates or to wait until the Official Edition is released if they haven't time to be helping with the debugging process. Cheers, Richard

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Re: [ALUG] Where do I put source files?
by IanBell 14 Mar '04

14 Mar '04

On Saturday 13 March 2004 13:51, Chris Walker wrote: > On Sat 13 Mar, MJ Ray wrote: > > On 2004-03-13 10:20:01 +0000 Chris Walker > > > > <linux(a)wymondham.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > > I've never compiled anything > > > before, I don't know where to put this stuff. > > > > Generally, whereever you want. > > OK. > > > Unpack it (tar xzf filename.tar.gz usually) and read the INSTALL file. > > (If it doesn't have one, report a bug.) Some people like to put it under > > /opt/src, some under /usr/local/src or /usr/src and some in a > > subdirectory of their home. I've even got one system with sources in > > /Depot/Compile/Sources... > > It does have an INSTALL file but it didn't give the location that I wanted. Apologies if this has already been said, but most source packages adhere to the following installation procedure. 1. cd to the directory where you have unpacked the source 2. type ./configure this runs the configure script which does a huge bunch of checks to try to make sure the compile will be successful. It should tell you for example if any libraries are missing. It is usually possible to pass arguments to configure to tell it where you want files to be put. configure creates (amongst other things) a makefile which tells the compiler how to build the programme from the source. 3. type ./make this compiles the programme and should result in an exectuable 4 type ./make install this installs the executable and any other necessary files in predetermined directories. HTH Ian

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Re: [ALUG] Where do I put source files?
by MJ Ray 13 Mar '04

13 Mar '04

On 2004-03-13 10:20:01 +0000 Chris Walker <linux(a)wymondham.demon.co.uk> wrote: > I've never compiled anything > before, I don't know where to put this stuff. Generally, whereever you want. Unpack it (tar xzf filename.tar.gz usually) and read the INSTALL file. (If it doesn't have one, report a bug.) Some people like to put it under /opt/src, some under /usr/local/src or /usr/src and some in a subdirectory of their home. I've even got one system with sources in /Depot/Compile/Sources... -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. Please http://remember.to/edit_messages on lists to be sure I read http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef(a)jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/

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Re: Mandrake 9.2 ADSL Network
by Bash McBash 13 Mar '04

13 Mar '04

Hi all. If anyone is intrested i have a BT router that i have flashed with the origanal manufactures firmware. (No as dumb as the BT version) if anyone wants it it £20. Adam.

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Re: [ALUG] QX3 microscope
by Edenyard 13 Mar '04

13 Mar '04

Adam wrote: > I was just doing some digging looking for a few > bits about the QX3 and found http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtx3/ I think that that particular project just petered out a couple of years ago. I downloaded it a couple of days ago but couldn't get it to run. In addition to TVtime, I've tried Xawtv (which gave correctly-dimensioned pictures on screen but the image capture just gives a technicolour snowstorm effect when the file is viewed) and Mplayer (advertised as being able to view USB webcams or whatever but was far too complicated for me to be able to work out how). In contrast, getting the 'system' side of things in place seemed easy, even for me. Select the correct bits in the kernel .config, recompile & install kernel, plug QX3 into the USB port and off it all went. Amazing! > What was the price? Farnell seems to be having a clear-out at the moment and had it for £35 (and no delivery charges for account holders), whereas I'd previously seen it all over the place for quite a bit more than that. > although i recall that maybe intel > advertised it as doing 640x480 but in reality the sensor only could > capture 320x240 and the upsampling was done in software. Its resolution is 352x288 - I believe that might be quarter-CIF? The luminance resolution is double the chrominance. I wouldn't say that it was exactly broadcast-quality but it's good enough at the price to have a closer gander at some small items. Truly it's a bit cheap and plastic-y, but, at the price, what else could one expect? Cheers, Gerald.

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Re: [ALUG] Where do I put source files?
by Matt Parker 13 Mar '04

13 Mar '04

On Sat, 2004-03-13 at 13:51, Chris Walker wrote: > On Sat 13 Mar, MJ Ray wrote: > > > > On 2004-03-13 10:20:01 +0000 Chris Walker > > <linux(a)wymondham.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > I've never compiled anything > > > before, I don't know where to put this stuff. > > > > Generally, whereever you want. > > OK. > > > Unpack it (tar xzf filename.tar.gz usually) and read the INSTALL file. (If > > it doesn't have one, report a bug.) Some people like to put it under > > /opt/src, some under /usr/local/src or /usr/src and some in a subdirectory > > of their home. I've even got one system with sources in > > /Depot/Compile/Sources... > > It does have an INSTALL file but it didn't give the location that I wanted. In which case the common practice is to set a prefix in the configure command to compile it where you want. ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mynewprog make su - make install This will put your compiled program in /usr/local/mynewprog. If it doesn't, file a bug... Matt -- http://www.mpcontracting.co.uk Experts in Java development and website design

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Kernel 2.6 again
by bjsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 13 Mar '04

13 Mar '04

I now have kernel 2.6.3 source from Debian Testing/Sarge and am still having some problems. The ohci-hcd module is not being loaded automatically and in consequence my mouse doesn't work until the module is loaded with Modprobe. Can anyone tell me what I need to put into /etc/modprobe.d or /etc/modprobe.conf to make the loading automatic? Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain

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