I was wondering If the Delta_e_live.config is the file it looks for to keep the E3 activated, its got to be looking for something every time it sends or receives email to keep it alive..????

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From: Paul Waynemailto:paulwayne@dialup.demon.co.uk Sent: ‎Wednesday‎, ‎3‎ ‎April‎ ‎2019 ‎15‎:‎19 To: Discussion of the Amstrad E3 emailer hardware/softwaremailto:e3-hacking@earth.li

Interesting, wonder if the info takes any closer to finding a way to hack the hardware and get these machines working again.

I wonder if anyone in the group is interested in putting in some cash to fund instructing a geek/hacker to see if they can override the hardware?

Paul

From: e3-hacking [mailto:e3-hacking-bounces@earth.li] On Behalf Of Nick Griffin Sent: 03 April 2019 15:08 To: Discussion of the Amstrad E3 emailer hardware/software e3-hacking@earth.li Subject: [E3-hacking] Some things I have found on the Amstrad E3 while I was pressing different buttons.

I found something the other day, if you press SETUP Button then 1 then 1 again, it looks like it comes up with driver info, Picture is here.. https://imgur.com/zjJc2oThttps://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https://imgur.com/zjJc2oT&data=02%7c01%7c%7c202f2fc8f13f4a564e0908d6b83f61b3%7c84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7c1%7c0%7c636898979703168797&sdata=Zbet/ENSTHyC54JAGEA3TT%2BCIgTjhloAE7E%2B8NHIwr0%3D&reserved=0

And if you press SETUP Button then 1 then 0 it has numbers on the Setup Info screen Picture here.. https://imgur.com/VpJRCRthttps://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https://imgur.com/VpJRCRt&data=02%7c01%7c%7c202f2fc8f13f4a564e0908d6b83f61b3%7c84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7c1%7c0%7c636898979703188818&sdata=9pyeLuH62h%2B152HqrkXKWGXgZ8agl8BVxG46UKUEgx4%3D&reserved=0

Anyone seen theses before..? Do not know what the numbers are on the Setup Info screen is..??

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On Wednesday 03 April 2019 at 17:09:43, Nick Griffin wrote:

Delta_e_live could stand for Delta Emailer Live, why have the name live in its name, so that could be the file that keeps in on and that file after 2 or 3 months gets deleted or it tells the Emailer how long to keep a live for and then the Emailer deactivates itself

Or, possibly it refers to the "Live" release of the software, distinct from "Development" and "Test" etc?

That file looks important because it has a its own IP address so the Emailer can download it. http://212.225.36.174/delta_e_live.config and it has a version number - config_a version: 0. Just some idea.. 😊

I also wanted to reply to this thread simply to confirm that there's at least one other person out here who's still interested in these things (I believe I have either 4 or 5 in total, never connected to a phone line, and I also have a serial connector cable (somewhere), although it's still RS232, not USB (but I think that can't be hard to change)).

Happy to help out further if I can make the time for it :)

Antony.

On Wednesday 03 April 2019 at 17:53:32, Jake Sloan wrote:

Enough time has passed that bruteforcing the required key is probably feasible..

I think the list has the details, somewhere.

I seem to remember a posting along the lines of "this has got close enough that we're not going to give more details, because we don't want to annoy Amstrad, but anyone with enough clue might be able to take it from here".

I don't believe the actual steps needed were ever publicly posted (but I'd be happy to be pointed at a correction if I'm wrong).

You need to send a packet that hashes to a specific value to enable any of the fun pbl functionality.

Is that "specific value" generic, or device-specific?

Antony.

As far as I know when you connect this to serial you don’t get a console, like if you connect TheC64 Mini to Putty using a CPC 2102 USB to TTL serial convertor, you can log on with your root user and password so you can add files, change games and edit files and that ,TheC64 Mini uses Uboot to boot up with not PBL so it must be the PBL that's stopping the console coming up so if we could hack the PBL (Primary Boot Loader) and keep the firmware on the NAND so its still boots up with Amstrad E3 logo and that, we need to see the system files and see what can be changed. PBL is on the NOR Flash and the Kernel and System is on the NAND Flash. I don’t know anything about PBL so we need someone who does.it all most works the same as TheC64 Mini,(Its a small Commodore 64, Mini Console, its here.. https://www.c64-wiki.com/wiki/THEC64Mini) The mini has 2 partitions, One for Uboot and other for the Kernel and System. but only has one chip, NAND Flash, its made by Toshiba too.. 😊. Amstrad E3 has 2 chips NOR and NAND Flash. and is using a different Boot loader.

Oh.. Can I use my CPC 2102 USB to TTL serial converter to connect to the serial on the E3..? this is a pic of it here.. https://sc02.alicdn.com/kf/HTB11eb9PFXXXXcLaXXXq6xXFXXXd/CP2102-USB-2-0-to-T... I have used it on my TheC64 Mini and my Gotek Drive.

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On Wednesday 03 April 2019 at 19:51:57, David Given wrote:

I've got a tool which speaks the PBL protocol and will let you read and write the flash: http://cowlark.com/amstrad/

Thanks for (re?) posting this link to a very useful tool.

Antony.

RS232 is actually +/- 12V! My recollection is that the E3 runs at 0V/5V (I described it as TTL back in 2003). A 3.3V serial converter might work, I couldn't say. On Wed, 3 Apr 2019 at 20:52 Nick Griffin span1922@live.com wrote:

On your site.. “In order to talk to the E2, you need the appropriate cable. Irritatingly, while the E2 has a serial port, it runs at TTL line levels not RS232 levels. This means that if you're going to connect it to a PC, you need a line level converter”

So I can use a CPC 2102 USB to TTL serial converter because its a line level converter… 😊 and its RX line is 3.3 volt, this can’t take 5 volts because it could blow the UART0…?

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I've got a tool which speaks the PBL protocol and will let you read and write the flash: http://cowlark.com/amstrad/ https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http://cowlark.com/amstrad/&data=02%7c01%7c%7c0ff5e97479d549450d8208d6b85d225c%7c84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7c1%7c0%7c636899107478251836&sdata=1rV57mYpj1Hs38RqCM3fqnEhqzLh5F3vWhwQWqW9AuM%3D&reserved=0

It's also got details of the serial pinout.

On Wed, 3 Apr 2019 at 19:07 Nick Griffin span1922@live.com wrote:

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As far as I know when you connect this to serial you don’t get a console, like if you connect TheC64 Mini to Putty using a CPC 2102 USB to TTL serial convertor, you can log on with your root user and password so you can add files, change games and edit files and that ,TheC64 Mini uses Uboot to boot up with not PBL so it must be the PBL that's stopping the console coming up so if we could hack the PBL (Primary Boot Loader) and keep the firmware on the NAND so its still boots up with Amstrad E3 logo and that, we need to see the system files and see what can be changed. PBL is on the NOR Flash and the Kernel and System is on the NAND Flash. I don’t know anything about PBL so we need someone who does.it https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http://does.it&data=02%7c01%7c%7c0ff5e97479d549450d8208d6b85d225c%7c84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7c1%7c0%7c636899107478261846&sdata=cKbkujL//PuqTj5W5Dtacrb2GoLLKmqXMA81FjPrIDE%3D&reserved=0 all most works the same as TheC64 Mini,(Its a small Commodore 64, Mini Console, its here.. https://www.c64-wiki.com/wiki/THEC64Mini https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https://www.c64-wiki.com/wiki/THEC64Mini&data=02%7c01%7c%7c0ff5e97479d549450d8208d6b85d225c%7c84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7c1%7c0%7c636899107478271851&sdata=bd45fNPeGF/ASugX1AaQYewd6OIAxHko0Z9iDRsRAbI%3D&reserved=0) The mini has 2 partitions, One for Uboot and other for the Kernel and System. but only has one chip, NAND Flash, its made by Toshiba too.. 😊. Amstrad E3 has 2 chips NOR and NAND Flash. and is using a different Boot loader.

Oh.. Can I use my CPC 2102 USB to TTL serial converter to connect to the serial on the E3..? this is a pic of it here.. *https://sc02.alicdn.com/kf/HTB11eb9PFXXXXcLaXXXq6xXFXXXd/CP2102-USB-2-0-to-T... https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https://sc02.alicdn.com/kf/HTB11eb9PFXXXXcLaXXXq6xXFXXXd/CP2102-USB-2-0-to-TTL-UART.jpg_350x350.jpg&data=02%7c01%7c%7c0ff5e97479d549450d8208d6b85d225c%7c84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7c1%7c0%7c636899107478281862&sdata=P8EsfPfMK3uzbtWcuKbOcwf1gTPEVk3IFhNWzhTzLIk%3D&reserved=0 I have used it on my TheC64 Mini and my Gotek Drive.

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There is 2 reason why I want to do this.. 1.) So I can find a way to restore its services and be able to use it like a normal phone and maybe more. 2.)I have a Amstrad Emailer Plus(E2) too, Its has the Configuration Change on it, if I can back up its Nan then I can share the back up who want to get there's working that's deactivated(Locked) and be able to use it like a normal phone too.. 😊

I have a go at getting it working tomorrow.

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From: Nick Griffinmailto:span1922@live.com Sent: ‎Wednesday‎, ‎3‎ ‎April‎ ‎2019 ‎20‎:‎52 To: Discussion of the Amstrad E3 emailer hardware/softwaremailto:e3-hacking@earth.li

OK, thanks, I was looking at this site.. http://www.cambridgewargames.org.uk/members/andy/emailer/https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http://www.cambridgewargames.org.uk/members/andy/emailer/&data=02%7c01%7c%7cc50113d7016041be38d508d6b86ddbf5%7c84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7c1%7c0%7c636899179308605202&sdata=zDMBbvlEKuNMEGdkRXFdUSmjFj/tSiXcoAokoZGATkw%3D&reserved=0

It says on here 3.3v device so was guessing it would work but I don’t understand the inverting the TX Line, would I need to do that with this..? I was reding this…

”Amstrad emailer E3 serial port (18/01/06)

A fair bit of confusion exists on the serial port of the E3 with some sources saying a line driver chip is needed, and other saying one is not needed, to connect this to a PC.

I've spent a bit of time looking at this and can now offer some explanation. A normal RS232 port will transmit a digital 1 as a negative voltage, usually at least -5V. A 0 is transmitted as a positive voltage, typically at least +5V. The emailer does not do this. Using a rather old poorly calibrated scope it appears to actually transmits either 0V or +5V.

Now some serial ports will probably accept this, but a 0V input is not a logical anything as far as the RS232 spec is concerned. So your PC, like mine, may ignore this. The fact that this works for some peoples PCs implies it is transmitting a logical 1 as 0v and a logical 0 as +5V.

A typical RS232 line driver expects a logical 0 to be 0v and a logical 1 to be +5v (or +3.3V if using a 3.3v device). So you end up with an inverted RS232 data and like me and see horrible gibberish on hyperterminal

Now, to get a boot log you need to invert the TX signal from the E3 (I used a 74HC04) then pass this to a line driver chip. The only line driver chip I had to hand was a MAX3233E, which is a 3.3 volt part. For this reason I ran both chips from 3.3V and placed a 100ohm resistor between the E3's TX pin nad the input to the inverter. Some logic families get very upset if you exceed the supply voltage on an input by more than about 0.6v... The series resistor limits the current and is a paranoia measure, quicker than looking up the datasheet :-) Anyway, it was a horrible quick bodge but it worked.

Here is the output captured from hyperterminal boot.txthttps://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http://www.cambridgewargames.org.uk/members/andy/emailer/boot.txt&data=02%7c01%7c%7cc50113d7016041be38d508d6b86ddbf5%7c84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7c1%7c0%7c636899179308625218&sdata=OUBqGj0EApDvIHRdhvvmZg35n7k6/Dr9tadAv5z%2BzGc%3D&reserved=0 settings were 115,200 8n1 no handshaking.

I'll try and post up a diagram of something better in the next few days. I've also built something for the reverse direction but havent had a chance to work out if its working yet....”

I do have one made by FTDI too a FTDI FT232RL FT232 USB to TTL 5v 3.3v serial adaptor that has 3.3 v and 5v, it has a jumper to change voltage on RX Line, what about that one..? https://www.xcluma.com/ftdi-ft232rl-ft232-usb-to-ttl-5v-3.3v-serial-adaptor-...https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https://www.xcluma.com/ftdi-ft232rl-ft232-usb-to-ttl-5v-3.3v-serial-adaptor-for-arduino&data=02%7c01%7c%7cc50113d7016041be38d508d6b86ddbf5%7c84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7c1%7c0%7c636899179308635223&sdata=m4ppt5/iAq8M6841kX3u3si/KxGiO5JzCWse1n5xmoU%3D&reserved=0 There is no info on using one of theses because in 2006 they didn’t exsits.. 😊 They exist now because of Raspberry PI and Arduino, The Amstrad Emailer uses a singer board computer inside it, The RPI and Arduino are what has become of the technology the Emailer uses. The mini consoles use the technology too.

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From: David Givenmailto:dg@cowlark.com Sent: ‎Wednesday‎, ‎3‎ ‎April‎ ‎2019 ‎19‎:‎57 To: Discussion of the Amstrad E3 emailer hardware/softwaremailto:e3-hacking@earth.li

RS232 is actually +/- 12V! My recollection is that the E3 runs at 0V/5V (I described it as TTL back in 2003). A 3.3V serial converter might work, I couldn't say. On Wed, 3 Apr 2019 at 20:52 Nick Griffin <span1922@live.commailto:span1922@live.com> wrote: On your site.. “In order to talk to the E2, you need the appropriate cable. Irritatingly, while the E2 has a serial port, it runs at TTL line levels not RS232 levels. This means that if you're going to connect it to a PC, you need a line level converter”

So I can use a CPC 2102 USB to TTL serial converter because its a line level converter… 😊 and its RX line is 3.3 volt, this can’t take 5 volts because it could blow the UART0…?

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From: David Givenmailto:dg@cowlark.com Sent: ‎Wednesday‎, ‎3‎ ‎April‎ ‎2019 ‎18‎:‎52 To: Discussion of the Amstrad E3 emailer hardware/softwaremailto:e3-hacking@earth.li

I've got a tool which speaks the PBL protocol and will let you read and write the flash: http://cowlark.com/amstrad/https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http://cowlark.com/amstrad/&data=02%7c01%7c%7cc50113d7016041be38d508d6b86ddbf5%7c84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7c1%7c0%7c636899179308645228&sdata=N6frWE0wYMl19JThGTV17ul8SQlXYtAXFbGXUwOYfkg%3D&reserved=0

It's also got details of the serial pinout.

On Wed, 3 Apr 2019 at 19:07 Nick Griffin <span1922@live.commailto:span1922@live.com> wrote: As far as I know when you connect this to serial you don’t get a console, like if you connect TheC64 Mini to Putty using a CPC 2102 USB to TTL serial convertor, you can log on with your root user and password so you can add files, change games and edit files and that ,TheC64 Mini uses Uboot to boot up with not PBL so it must be the PBL that's stopping the console coming up so if we could hack the PBL (Primary Boot Loader) and keep the firmware on the NAND so its still boots up with Amstrad E3 logo and that, we need to see the system files and see what can be changed. PBL is on the NOR Flash and the Kernel and System is on the NAND Flash. I don’t know anything about PBL so we need someone who does.ithttps://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http://does.it&data=02%7c01%7c%7cc50113d7016041be38d508d6b86ddbf5%7c84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7c1%7c0%7c636899179308655245&sdata=8UZdLqM5pNVmuKUId0Z6DfzP%2BfN8nRfg4Bldo1cYYP0%3D&reserved=0 all most works the same as TheC64 Mini,(Its a small Commodore 64, Mini Console, its here.. https://www.c64-wiki.com/wiki/THEC64Minihttps://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https://www.c64-wiki.com/wiki/THEC64Mini&data=02%7c01%7c%7cc50113d7016041be38d508d6b86ddbf5%7c84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7c1%7c0%7c636899179308665244&sdata=jDpZ%2BY8H9VejOHHIyT6bgRDRgoqh0HKMYultFQdX6%2BU%3D&reserved=0) The mini has 2 partitions, One for Uboot and other for the Kernel and System. but only has one chip, NAND Flash, its made by Toshiba too.. 😊. Amstrad E3 has 2 chips NOR and NAND Flash. and is using a different Boot loader.

Oh.. Can I use my CPC 2102 USB to TTL serial converter to connect to the serial on the E3..? this is a pic of it here.. https://sc02.alicdn.com/kf/HTB11eb9PFXXXXcLaXXXq6xXFXXXd/CP2102-USB-2-0-to-T...https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https://sc02.alicdn.com/kf/HTB11eb9PFXXXXcLaXXXq6xXFXXXd/CP2102-USB-2-0-to-TTL-UART.jpg_350x350.jpg&data=02%7c01%7c%7cc50113d7016041be38d508d6b86ddbf5%7c84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7c1%7c0%7c636899179308675255&sdata=jgPvSV2Dt5JyFTBhUCKufS2xOPxdlwNSriXHkTnmgQ4%3D&reserved=0 I have used it on my TheC64 Mini and my Gotek Drive.

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On Wed, Apr 03, 2019 at 09:26:04PM +0000, Nick Griffin wrote:

Looking at the mailing list there was someone from Amstrad called Cliff Lawson commenting,shame he's not here now.He could help unlocking the E3 now ..

Cliff mentioned using USB ethernet, but in the context of replacing the firmware with your own code. I don't believe he ever suggested the amstrad firmware supported it.

Sean

Hi me again.. 😊 WOW I have lit this place up like a xmas tree… 😊 Does anyone know how the Emailer works when it deactivates itself (locks itself, I came up with the word activate/deactivate because that's what its doing when it stops its features on the Emailer, deactivated non functional)

I think it might be downloading a file or something so if it can’t download the file it deactivates the Emailer.

I would of done it that way because the file can be very small (bytes size) and quick to download in a couple of seconds.

And like how it removes its games after a week or four weeks, after a set time of not being able to connect to the server, it deletes the file and the Emailer then deactivates itself because the file is not there no more. Mine took 3 months to deactivate, I remembered when I got it from eBay and turn it on, I had it on continually, but still have it on now. (but that's because the firmware has a bug in it so it lets you make a call on it even when it deactivated, more about that in another post) The E3 its way better looking than the rest.. 😊 the E1 look better then the E2.

It does make senses, but I might be completely wrong, If you know how it works please post.

Thanks and have a great day.

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Okay, so this is unclear. That article's talking about connecting the emailer via actual RS232 via a TTL-to-RS232 level converter. Nobody does this any more; instead you use a USB TTL serial adapter. But it sounds like the emailer's output levels are inverted, so logic 1 is 0V and logic 0 is 5V.

I have no memory of this whatsoever --- but this was years ago.

*Don't* connect the emailer directly to a RS232 port. You'll fry it. RS232 voltages are +/- 12V and are way too high. (I killed mine that way.)

I definitely had the thing working with the cable pictured on my website, but I have no idea whether that chip emits inverted signals or not. I'm afraid you'll just have to try it and see what happens.

On Wed, 3 Apr 2019 at 22:41 Nick Griffin span1922@live.com wrote:

There is 2 reason why I want to do this.. 1.) So I can find a way to restore its services and be able to use it like a normal phone and maybe more. 2.)I have a Amstrad Emailer Plus(E2) too, Its has the Configuration Change on it, if I can back up its Nan then I can share the back up who want to get there's working that's deactivated(Locked) and be able to use it like a normal phone too.. 😊

I have a go at getting it working tomorrow.

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OK, thanks, I was looking at this site.. http://www.cambridgewargames.org.uk/members/andy/emailer/ https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http://www.cambridgewargames.org.uk/members/andy/emailer/&data=02%7c01%7c%7cc50113d7016041be38d508d6b86ddbf5%7c84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7c1%7c0%7c636899179308605202&sdata=zDMBbvlEKuNMEGdkRXFdUSmjFj/tSiXcoAokoZGATkw%3D&reserved=0

It says on here 3.3v device so was guessing it would work but I don’t understand the inverting the TX Line, would I need to do that with this..? I was reding this…

”Amstrad emailer E3 serial port (18/01/06)

A fair bit of confusion exists on the serial port of the E3 with some sources saying a line driver chip is needed, and other saying one is not needed, to connect this to a PC.

I've spent a bit of time looking at this and can now offer some explanation. A normal RS232 port will transmit a digital 1 as a negative voltage, usually at least -5V. A 0 is transmitted as a positive voltage, typically at least +5V. The emailer does *not* do this. Using a rather old poorly calibrated scope it appears to actually transmits either 0V or +5V.

Now some serial ports will probably accept this, but a 0V input is not a logical anything as far as the RS232 spec is concerned. So your PC, like mine, may ignore this. The fact that this works for some peoples PCs implies it is transmitting a logical 1 as 0v and a logical 0 as +5V.

A typical RS232 line driver expects a logical 0 to be 0v and a logical 1 to be +5v (or +3.3V if using a 3.3v device). So you end up with an inverted RS232 data and like me and see horrible gibberish on hyperterminal

Now, to get a boot log you need to invert the TX signal from the E3 (I used a 74HC04) then pass this to a line driver chip. The only line driver chip I had to hand was a MAX3233E, which is a 3.3 volt part. For this reason I ran both chips from 3.3V and placed a 100ohm resistor between the E3's TX pin nad the input to the inverter. Some logic families get very upset if you exceed the supply voltage on an input by more than about 0.6v... The series resistor limits the current and is a paranoia measure, quicker than looking up the datasheet :-) Anyway, it was a horrible quick bodge but it worked.

Here is the output captured from hyperterminal *boot.txt* https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http://www.cambridgewargames.org.uk/members/andy/emailer/boot.txt&data=02%7c01%7c%7cc50113d7016041be38d508d6b86ddbf5%7c84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7c1%7c0%7c636899179308625218&sdata=OUBqGj0EApDvIHRdhvvmZg35n7k6/Dr9tadAv5z%2BzGc%3D&reserved=0 settings were 115,200 8n1 no handshaking.

I'll try and post up a diagram of something better in the next few days. I've also built something for the reverse direction but havent had a chance to work out if its working yet....”

I do have one made by FTDI too a FTDI FT232RL FT232 USB to TTL 5v 3.3v serial adaptor that has 3.3 v and 5v, it has a jumper to change voltage on RX Line, what about that one..? https://www.xcluma.com/ftdi-ft232rl-ft232-usb-to-ttl-5v-3.3v-serial-adaptor-... https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https://www.xcluma.com/ftdi-ft232rl-ft232-usb-to-ttl-5v-3.3v-serial-adaptor-for-arduino&data=02%7c01%7c%7cc50113d7016041be38d508d6b86ddbf5%7c84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7c1%7c0%7c636899179308635223&sdata=m4ppt5/iAq8M6841kX3u3si/KxGiO5JzCWse1n5xmoU%3D&reserved=0 There is no info on using one of theses because in 2006 they didn’t exsits.. 😊 They exist now because of Raspberry PI and Arduino, The Amstrad Emailer uses a singer board computer inside it, The RPI and Arduino are what has become of the technology the Emailer uses. The mini consoles use the technology too.

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RS232 is actually +/- 12V! My recollection is that the E3 runs at 0V/5V (I described it as TTL back in 2003). A 3.3V serial converter might work, I couldn't say. On Wed, 3 Apr 2019 at 20:52 Nick Griffin span1922@live.com wrote:

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On your site.. “In order to talk to the E2, you need the appropriate cable. Irritatingly, while the E2 has a serial port, it runs at TTL line levels not RS232 levels. This means that if you're going to connect it to a PC, you need a line level converter”

So I can use a CPC 2102 USB to TTL serial converter because its a line level converter… 😊 and its RX line is 3.3 volt, this can’t take 5 volts because it could blow the UART0…?

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I've got a tool which speaks the PBL protocol and will let you read and write the flash: http://cowlark.com/amstrad/ https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http://cowlark.com/amstrad/&data=02%7c01%7c%7cc50113d7016041be38d508d6b86ddbf5%7c84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7c1%7c0%7c636899179308645228&sdata=N6frWE0wYMl19JThGTV17ul8SQlXYtAXFbGXUwOYfkg%3D&reserved=0

It's also got details of the serial pinout.

On Wed, 3 Apr 2019 at 19:07 Nick Griffin span1922@live.com wrote:

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As far as I know when you connect this to serial you don’t get a console, like if you connect TheC64 Mini to Putty using a CPC 2102 USB to TTL serial convertor, you can log on with your root user and password so you can add files, change games and edit files and that ,TheC64 Mini uses Uboot to boot up with not PBL so it must be the PBL that's stopping the console coming up so if we could hack the PBL (Primary Boot Loader) and keep the firmware on the NAND so its still boots up with Amstrad E3 logo and that, we need to see the system files and see what can be changed. PBL is on the NOR Flash and the Kernel and System is on the NAND Flash. I don’t know anything about PBL so we need someone who does.it https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http://does.it&data=02%7c01%7c%7cc50113d7016041be38d508d6b86ddbf5%7c84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7c1%7c0%7c636899179308655245&sdata=8UZdLqM5pNVmuKUId0Z6DfzP%2BfN8nRfg4Bldo1cYYP0%3D&reserved=0 all most works the same as TheC64 Mini,(Its a small Commodore 64, Mini Console, its here.. https://www.c64-wiki.com/wiki/THEC64Mini https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https://www.c64-wiki.com/wiki/THEC64Mini&data=02%7c01%7c%7cc50113d7016041be38d508d6b86ddbf5%7c84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7c1%7c0%7c636899179308665244&sdata=jDpZ%2BY8H9VejOHHIyT6bgRDRgoqh0HKMYultFQdX6%2BU%3D&reserved=0) The mini has 2 partitions, One for Uboot and other for the Kernel and System. but only has one chip, NAND Flash, its made by Toshiba too.. 😊. Amstrad E3 has 2 chips NOR and NAND Flash. and is using a different Boot loader.

Oh.. Can I use my CPC 2102 USB to TTL serial converter to connect to the serial on the E3..? this is a pic of it here.. *https://sc02.alicdn.com/kf/HTB11eb9PFXXXXcLaXXXq6xXFXXXd/CP2102-USB-2-0-to-T... https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https://sc02.alicdn.com/kf/HTB11eb9PFXXXXcLaXXXq6xXFXXXd/CP2102-USB-2-0-to-TTL-UART.jpg_350x350.jpg&data=02%7c01%7c%7cc50113d7016041be38d508d6b86ddbf5%7c84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7c1%7c0%7c636899179308675255&sdata=jgPvSV2Dt5JyFTBhUCKufS2xOPxdlwNSriXHkTnmgQ4%3D&reserved=0 I have used it on my TheC64 Mini and my Gotek Drive.

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Hi,

Oh yeah, there's more information here. http://www.earth.li/~noodles/hardware-e3.html

And there might still be some useful information amongst my old pages. https://inputplus.co.uk/ralph/emailer/

On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 08:19:35AM +0100, Brian Walton wrote:

If the E3 has a TTL serial port as reported here then a USB to TTL serial adapter should work fine.

I seem to remember the logic levels used by the E3 to be the reverse of what is normally used for TTL serial, hence the need for an invertor. Don't know if the USB TTL serial devices support that variation.

When I briefly was playing with this a long time ago I used:

- USB to RS232 - MAX (of some sort) to level shift to TTL - MAX (well same one, it had two sets of level shifters) to level shift back to RS232 - E3

From what I remember, the MAX was liberal enough on the RS232 rx side attached to the E3 tx line to cope with the non-RS232 levels. As for the E3 rx line, I presume it coped ok, but in hindsight I'm a little surprised.

Sean

Thanks for the advice people.. 😊 I don’t have RS232 on my PC, I only use USB to TTL on it. Do I use a headphone jack that's mono so it only has 3 connections on it, not a stereo one, any one got a pic of it so I know what to get(I know what it looks like just need to see if it a normal headphone mono jack),I might have one in my wire draw.. 😊

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Provided the E3 and the USB device ran off isolated supplies, you might be able to get away with connecting the 5V (or whatever) on the USB adapter to the GND on the jack. That would cause the logic levels to be interpreted inverted.

Note, this does not constitute advice, not responsible for any device destruction caused by doing this, etc...

On Thu, 4 Apr 2019, 11:51 Sean Furey, <sean-lists-e3-hacking@furey.me.ukmailto:sean-lists-e3-hacking@furey.me.uk> wrote: On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 08:19:35AM +0100, Brian Walton wrote:

If the E3 has a TTL serial port as reported here then a USB to TTL serial adapter should work fine.

I seem to remember the logic levels used by the E3 to be the reverse of what is normally used for TTL serial, hence the need for an invertor. Don't know if the USB TTL serial devices support that variation.

When I briefly was playing with this a long time ago I used:

- USB to RS232 - MAX (of some sort) to level shift to TTL - MAX (well same one, it had two sets of level shifters) to level shift back to RS232 - E3

From what I remember, the MAX was liberal enough on the RS232 rx side attached to the E3 tx line to cope with the non-RS232 levels. As for the E3 rx line, I presume it coped ok, but in hindsight I'm a little surprised.

Sean

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Yes, you're right, that's clearly nonsense.

Why would the E3 generate an inverted signal, anyway? If it's just the raw output from the processor (which I think it is) then it should be standard TTL levels, because it's supposed to be fed into something like a MAX232 for conversion to RS232 levels. Inverting it but leaving it at TTL seems very odd.

On Thu, 4 Apr 2019, 14:25 Sean Furey, sean-lists-e3-hacking@furey.me.uk wrote:

On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 12:18:56PM +0200, David Given wrote:

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Provided the E3 and the USB device ran off isolated supplies, you might

be

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able to get away with connecting the 5V (or whatever) on the USB adapter

to

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the GND on the jack. That would cause the logic levels to be interpreted inverted.

I'd have thought that would make the USB dev see the E3's 0V - 5V as 5V - 10V, and the E3 to see the USB's 0V - 5V as -5V - 0V. Which doesn't sound like it helps - am I missing something?

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On Thursday 04 April 2019 at 17:44:13, Nick Griffin wrote:

I have connected the CP2102 and I am getting garbage text in Putty..

That suggests the wrong baud rate to me.

Antony.

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On Thursday 04 April 2019 at 17:47:21, Antony Stone wrote:

On Thursday 04 April 2019 at 17:44:13, Nick Griffin wrote:

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I have connected the CP2102 and I am getting garbage text in Putty..

That suggests the wrong baud rate to me.

https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cambrid... and https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http:%2F%2Fwww.earth.li%... say 115,200 8n1 no handshake.

Antony.

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It's probably a typo, but just to check: you said 15200, but it should be 115200?

On Thu, 4 Apr 2019, 18:52 Nick Griffin, span1922@live.com wrote:

Could it be that I might have the RX and TX round there wrong way..? red is TX (Ring) so it connected to TX pin on CP 2102,White is RX (Tip) so it connected to RX pin on CP 2102,black is Ground (Sleeve) connected to GND pin on CP 2102..??

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This is my settings in putty, 15200, 8 bits, no parity and 1 stop bit. And no flow control. from https://wiki.earth.li/E3_Getting_Started https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https://wiki.earth.li/E3_Getting_Started&data=02%7c01%7c%7c8343a951477f40a3e91e08d6b91bf8a8%7c84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7c1%7c0%7c636899927114394676&sdata=eJ6FIlyJnpqQz98sp/vDUm28K3vSBQxw40LxQgsZVBA%3D&reserved=0 website.

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On Thursday 04 April 2019 at 17:47:21, Antony Stone wrote:

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On Thursday 04 April 2019 at 17:44:13, Nick Griffin wrote:

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I have connected the CP2102 and I am getting garbage text in Putty..

That suggests the wrong baud rate to me.

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https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http:%2F%2Fwww.earth.li%... say 115,200 8n1 no handshake.

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Its still getting garbled text with CP 2102. 15200 was a typo on here.. 😊 in Putty its 115200. I thought I try my FTDI 232,its text is garbled too… it does it on both of them.?? I am connecting it to pc then to FTDI232 or CP 2102 they connect to E3 then running Putty on PC and unplugging the E3 to restart it and garbled text on Putty. I can’t see the boot log text is unreadable…?

I have only one more thing I can try, I have a USB to RS232 Cable that's Prolific USB to Serial and see if that works.

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From: David Givenmailto:dg@cowlark.com Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎4‎ ‎April‎ ‎2019 ‎17‎:‎57 To: Discussion of the Amstrad E3 emailer hardware/softwaremailto:e3-hacking@earth.li

It's probably a typo, but just to check: you said 15200, but it should be 115200?

On Thu, 4 Apr 2019, 18:52 Nick Griffin, <span1922@live.commailto:span1922@live.com> wrote: Could it be that I might have the RX and TX round there wrong way..? red is TX (Ring) so it connected to TX pin on CP 2102,White is RX (Tip) so it connected to RX pin on CP 2102,black is Ground (Sleeve) connected to GND pin on CP 2102..??

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From: Nick Griffinmailto:span1922@live.com Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎4‎ ‎April‎ ‎2019 ‎17‎:‎38 To: Discussion of the Amstrad E3 emailer hardware/softwaremailto:e3-hacking@earth.li

This is my settings in putty, 15200, 8 bits, no parity and 1 stop bit. And no flow control. from https://wiki.earth.li/E3_Getting_Startedhttps://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https://wiki.earth.li/E3_Getting_Started&data=02%7c01%7c%7cf0dec062bb9b4f39405408d6b91eacb8%7c84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7c1%7c0%7c636899938727285441&sdata=6mx9RKhkgvgpcoK8%2Bg%2BHvDpWdaW5jbBVujdVKbfL2Ao%3D&reserved=0 website.

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From: Antony Stonemailto:Antony.Stone@e3.open.source.it Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎4‎ ‎April‎ ‎2019 ‎16‎:‎51 To: Discussion of the Amstrad E3 emailer hardware/softwaremailto:e3-hacking@earth.li

On Thursday 04 April 2019 at 17:47:21, Antony Stone wrote:

On Thursday 04 April 2019 at 17:44:13, Nick Griffin wrote:

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I have connected the CP2102 and I am getting garbage text in Putty..

That suggests the wrong baud rate to me.

https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cambrid...https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http://www.cambridgewargames.org.uk/members/andy/emailer/&data=02%7c01%7c%7cf0dec062bb9b4f39405408d6b91eacb8%7c84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7c1%7c0%7c636899938727295446&sdata=er/vonGJwLudAOVY%2BLEH4%2BkvsIZ1HKDuvk97AHfTbEs%3D&reserved=0 and https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http:%2F%2Fwww.earth.li%...https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http://www.earth.li/~noodles/hardware-e3.html&data=02%7c01%7c%7cf0dec062bb9b4f39405408d6b91eacb8%7c84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7c1%7c0%7c636899938727305457&sdata=9LGKgveQXDSG5hLVHsdK3s1C9bbqDLH3GLgzW16oE80%3D&reserved=0 say 115,200 8n1 no handshake.

Antony.

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Ftdi have a programming tool ftdi-prog that allows you to invert rx and tx.

On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 19:05 Nick Griffin, span1922@live.com wrote:

Its still getting garbled text with CP 2102. 15200 was a typo on here.. 😊 in Putty its 115200. I thought I try my FTDI 232,its text is garbled too… it does it on both of them.?? I am connecting it to pc then to FTDI232 or CP 2102 they connect to E3 then running Putty on PC and unplugging the E3 to restart it and garbled text on Putty. I can’t see the boot log text is unreadable…?

I have only one more thing I can try, I have a USB to RS232 Cable that's Prolific USB to Serial and see if that works.

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It's probably a typo, but just to check: you said 15200, but it should be 115200?

On Thu, 4 Apr 2019, 18:52 Nick Griffin, span1922@live.com wrote:

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Could it be that I might have the RX and TX round there wrong way..? red is TX (Ring) so it connected to TX pin on CP 2102,White is RX (Tip) so it connected to RX pin on CP 2102,black is Ground (Sleeve) connected to GND pin on CP 2102..??

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This is my settings in putty, 15200, 8 bits, no parity and 1 stop bit. And no flow control. from https://wiki.earth.li/E3_Getting_Started https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https://wiki.earth.li/E3_Getting_Started&data=02%7c01%7c%7cf0dec062bb9b4f39405408d6b91eacb8%7c84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7c1%7c0%7c636899938727285441&sdata=6mx9RKhkgvgpcoK8%2Bg%2BHvDpWdaW5jbBVujdVKbfL2Ao%3D&reserved=0 website.

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On Thursday 04 April 2019 at 17:47:21, Antony Stone wrote:

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On Thursday 04 April 2019 at 17:44:13, Nick Griffin wrote:

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I have connected the CP2102 and I am getting garbage text in Putty..

That suggests the wrong baud rate to me.

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From: Nick Griffinmailto:span1922@live.com Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎5‎ ‎April‎ ‎2019 ‎22‎:‎16 To: Discussion of the Amstrad E3 emailer hardware/softwaremailto:e3-hacking@earth.li

USB to RS232 Cable (Prolific USB to Serial) it works, I can see text…😊

Amstrad Delta - PBL V4.9 Build:1311 Assert Debug ICE PBL 32MB NAND 0MB.-->MEMv01.00.002,CopyLim=00220000h,CodeEnd=01400000h-->PBL......1MB.......2MB*

System module loader - LDR V1.5 Build:0008 Assert Mod scan 10010100 to 10230100 MEM - 10024000 (flash 00404000) PARMS - 10024400 (flash 00404400) LDR - 10024800 (flash 00404800) LINUX - 10044000 (flash 00424000) num modules: 4 checking LDR V1 at 10024800, alive=0, load=10002000 checking LINUX V1 at 10044000, alive=0, load=11800000 checking MEM V1 at 10024000, alive=0, load=11F00000 checking PARMS V1 at 10024400, alive=0, load=11900000 4 Modules processed, 4 are valid LDR thinks global number for them is 1 Found mod <LINUX> V=1 at 10044000 Found mod <PARMS> V=1 at 10024400 Linux command line module (PARMS) found at 10024400 INITRD Not found Linux start-up params (Any key to edit) Found mod <LINUX> V=1 at 10044000 Uncompressing Linux........................................................ done, booting the kernel. Linux version 2.4.18_mvl30-ams-delta (droberts@dev1-linuxmailto:droberts@dev1-linux) (gcc version 3.2.1 20020930 (MontaVista)) #1 Mon Aug 23 07:34:07 BST 2004 CPU: ARM/TI925 Arm925Tsid(wb) revision 2 Machine: AMS-DELTA/OMAP1510 modem enable 0 On node 0 totalpages: 7424 zone(0): 7424 pages. zone(1): 0 pages. zone(2): 0 pages. Kernel command line: console=ttyS0,115200n8 init=/start_cramfs rootfstype=cramfs root=/dev/dfdb4 ro ams_mmod_base=0x10FFF000 ams_mmod_size=0xFFF mem=29M ams_mod_ver=1 unmask_irq(#e) rtsched version <20011203.1609.50> Console: colour dummy device 80x30 Calibrating delay loop... 74.75 BogoMIPS Memory: 29MB = 29MB total Memory: 27272KB available (1386K code, 493K data, 64K init) Dentry-cache hash table entries: 4096 (order: 3, 32768 bytes) Inode-cache hash table entries: 2048 (order: 2, 16384 bytes) Mount-cache hash table entries: 512 (order: 0, 4096 bytes) Buffer-cache hash table entries: 1024 (order: 0, 4096 bytes) Page-cache hash table entries: 8192 (order: 3, 32768 bytes) POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.4 Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039 Initializing RT netlink socket Starting kswapd Disabling the Out Of Memory Killer Installing stub AMS_DELTA keyboard driver. pty: 256 Unix98 ptys configured SERIAL DRVR Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with no serial options enabled ttyS00 at 0xfffb0000 (irq = 46) is a OMAP UART ttyS01 at 0xeb000000 (irq = 66) is a Smart SMC omap-rtc: RTC power up reset detected. omap-rtc: Enabling RTC. Real Time Clock Driver v1.0 block: 64 slots per queue, batch=16 RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 4096K size 1024 blocksize DSPLinux FB (c) 2001 RidgeRun, Inc. Looking for mono/colour, GPIO=FB93, proc_conf_bit=800 LCD is colour, 16BPP tifb_init v_screen_base:C1C81000

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From: Jmailto:spargue@gmail.com Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎5‎ ‎April‎ ‎2019 ‎19‎:‎55 To: Discussion of the Amstrad E3 emailer hardware/softwaremailto:e3-hacking@earth.li

Ftdi have a programming tool ftdi-prog that allows you to invert rx and tx.

On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 19:05 Nick Griffin, <span1922@live.commailto:span1922@live.com> wrote: Its still getting garbled text with CP 2102. 15200 was a typo on here.. 😊 in Putty its 115200. I thought I try my FTDI 232,its text is garbled too… it does it on both of them.?? I am connecting it to pc then to FTDI232 or CP 2102 they connect to E3 then running Putty on PC and unplugging the E3 to restart it and garbled text on Putty. I can’t see the boot log text is unreadable…?

I have only one more thing I can try, I have a USB to RS232 Cable that's Prolific USB to Serial and see if that works.

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From: David Givenmailto:dg@cowlark.com Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎4‎ ‎April‎ ‎2019 ‎17‎:‎57 To: Discussion of the Amstrad E3 emailer hardware/softwaremailto:e3-hacking@earth.li

It's probably a typo, but just to check: you said 15200, but it should be 115200?

On Thu, 4 Apr 2019, 18:52 Nick Griffin, <span1922@live.commailto:span1922@live.com> wrote: Could it be that I might have the RX and TX round there wrong way..? red is TX (Ring) so it connected to TX pin on CP 2102,White is RX (Tip) so it connected to RX pin on CP 2102,black is Ground (Sleeve) connected to GND pin on CP 2102..??

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From: Nick Griffinmailto:span1922@live.com Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎4‎ ‎April‎ ‎2019 ‎17‎:‎38 To: Discussion of the Amstrad E3 emailer hardware/softwaremailto:e3-hacking@earth.li

This is my settings in putty, 15200, 8 bits, no parity and 1 stop bit. And no flow control. from https://wiki.earth.li/E3_Getting_Startedhttps://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https://wiki.earth.li/E3_Getting_Started&data=02%7c01%7c%7cf2af200a61bc4579aa9a08d6ba0bf91e%7c84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7c1%7c0%7c636900957917086106&sdata=n8ubw4thLdC3UUfqiL%2B2XFeKXr91NzYvIm4y/VVreys%3D&reserved=0 website.

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On Thursday 04 April 2019 at 17:47:21, Antony Stone wrote:

On Thursday 04 April 2019 at 17:44:13, Nick Griffin wrote:

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I have connected the CP2102 and I am getting garbage text in Putty..

That suggests the wrong baud rate to me.

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I don’t anything about configuring a serial in Lunux even thought I made Commodore OS..😊

Do I need a app to setup the serial or can I do it in pblq..? I am using my USB to RS232 Cable (Prolific USB to Serial) I plugged the wires in Red to RX and While to TX and black to GND and it works fine. Its a original Prolific USB to Serial not a clone, I worked out this would work cos the Nokia 5100 uses the same chip(PL-2303) in its data cable. Glad you showed a picture of the board on your site. Only seen the boot log in Putty in Windows…? How do I find out what COM port its using in Linux..?

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From: Nick Griffinmailto:span1922@live.com Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎5‎ ‎April‎ ‎2019 ‎22‎:‎16 To: Discussion of the Amstrad E3 emailer hardware/softwaremailto:e3-hacking@earth.li

USB to RS232 Cable (Prolific USB to Serial) it works, I can see text…😊

Amstrad Delta - PBL V4.9 Build:1311 Assert Debug ICE PBL 32MB NAND 0MB.-->MEMv01.00.002,CopyLim=00220000h,CodeEnd=01400000h-->PBL......1MB.......2MB*

System module loader - LDR V1.5 Build:0008 Assert Mod scan 10010100 to 10230100 MEM - 10024000 (flash 00404000) PARMS - 10024400 (flash 00404400) LDR - 10024800 (flash 00404800) LINUX - 10044000 (flash 00424000) num modules: 4 checking LDR V1 at 10024800, alive=0, load=10002000 checking LINUX V1 at 10044000, alive=0, load=11800000 checking MEM V1 at 10024000, alive=0, load=11F00000 checking PARMS V1 at 10024400, alive=0, load=11900000 4 Modules processed, 4 are valid LDR thinks global number for them is 1 Found mod <LINUX> V=1 at 10044000 Found mod <PARMS> V=1 at 10024400 Linux command line module (PARMS) found at 10024400 INITRD Not found Linux start-up params (Any key to edit) Found mod <LINUX> V=1 at 10044000 Uncompressing Linux........................................................ done, booting the kernel. Linux version 2.4.18_mvl30-ams-delta (droberts@dev1-linuxmailto:droberts@dev1-linux) (gcc version 3.2.1 20020930 (MontaVista)) #1 Mon Aug 23 07:34:07 BST 2004 CPU: ARM/TI925 Arm925Tsid(wb) revision 2 Machine: AMS-DELTA/OMAP1510 modem enable 0 On node 0 totalpages: 7424 zone(0): 7424 pages. zone(1): 0 pages. zone(2): 0 pages. Kernel command line: console=ttyS0,115200n8 init=/start_cramfs rootfstype=cramfs root=/dev/dfdb4 ro ams_mmod_base=0x10FFF000 ams_mmod_size=0xFFF mem=29M ams_mod_ver=1 unmask_irq(#e) rtsched version <20011203.1609.50> Console: colour dummy device 80x30 Calibrating delay loop... 74.75 BogoMIPS Memory: 29MB = 29MB total Memory: 27272KB available (1386K code, 493K data, 64K init) Dentry-cache hash table entries: 4096 (order: 3, 32768 bytes) Inode-cache hash table entries: 2048 (order: 2, 16384 bytes) Mount-cache hash table entries: 512 (order: 0, 4096 bytes) Buffer-cache hash table entries: 1024 (order: 0, 4096 bytes) Page-cache hash table entries: 8192 (order: 3, 32768 bytes) POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.4 Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039 Initializing RT netlink socket Starting kswapd Disabling the Out Of Memory Killer Installing stub AMS_DELTA keyboard driver. pty: 256 Unix98 ptys configured SERIAL DRVR Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with no serial options enabled ttyS00 at 0xfffb0000 (irq = 46) is a OMAP UART ttyS01 at 0xeb000000 (irq = 66) is a Smart SMC omap-rtc: RTC power up reset detected. omap-rtc: Enabling RTC. Real Time Clock Driver v1.0 block: 64 slots per queue, batch=16 RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 4096K size 1024 blocksize DSPLinux FB (c) 2001 RidgeRun, Inc. Looking for mono/colour, GPIO=FB93, proc_conf_bit=800 LCD is colour, 16BPP tifb_init v_screen_base:C1C81000

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From: Jmailto:spargue@gmail.com Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎5‎ ‎April‎ ‎2019 ‎19‎:‎55 To: Discussion of the Amstrad E3 emailer hardware/softwaremailto:e3-hacking@earth.li

Ftdi have a programming tool ftdi-prog that allows you to invert rx and tx.

On Fri, 5 Apr 2019 19:05 Nick Griffin, <span1922@live.commailto:span1922@live.com> wrote: Its still getting garbled text with CP 2102. 15200 was a typo on here.. 😊 in Putty its 115200. I thought I try my FTDI 232,its text is garbled too… it does it on both of them.?? I am connecting it to pc then to FTDI232 or CP 2102 they connect to E3 then running Putty on PC and unplugging the E3 to restart it and garbled text on Putty. I can’t see the boot log text is unreadable…?

I have only one more thing I can try, I have a USB to RS232 Cable that's Prolific USB to Serial and see if that works.

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From: David Givenmailto:dg@cowlark.com Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎4‎ ‎April‎ ‎2019 ‎17‎:‎57 To: Discussion of the Amstrad E3 emailer hardware/softwaremailto:e3-hacking@earth.li

It's probably a typo, but just to check: you said 15200, but it should be 115200?

On Thu, 4 Apr 2019, 18:52 Nick Griffin, <span1922@live.commailto:span1922@live.com> wrote: Could it be that I might have the RX and TX round there wrong way..? red is TX (Ring) so it connected to TX pin on CP 2102,White is RX (Tip) so it connected to RX pin on CP 2102,black is Ground (Sleeve) connected to GND pin on CP 2102..??

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From: Nick Griffinmailto:span1922@live.com Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎4‎ ‎April‎ ‎2019 ‎17‎:‎38 To: Discussion of the Amstrad E3 emailer hardware/softwaremailto:e3-hacking@earth.li

This is my settings in putty, 15200, 8 bits, no parity and 1 stop bit. And no flow control. from https://wiki.earth.li/E3_Getting_Startedhttps://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https://wiki.earth.li/E3_Getting_Started&data=02%7c01%7c%7cf2af200a61bc4579aa9a08d6ba0bf91e%7c84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7c1%7c0%7c636900957917086106&sdata=n8ubw4thLdC3UUfqiL%2B2XFeKXr91NzYvIm4y/VVreys%3D&reserved=0 website.

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From: Antony Stonemailto:Antony.Stone@e3.open.source.it Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎4‎ ‎April‎ ‎2019 ‎16‎:‎51 To: Discussion of the Amstrad E3 emailer hardware/softwaremailto:e3-hacking@earth.li

On Thursday 04 April 2019 at 17:47:21, Antony Stone wrote:

On Thursday 04 April 2019 at 17:44:13, Nick Griffin wrote:

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I have connected the CP2102 and I am getting garbage text in Putty..

That suggests the wrong baud rate to me.

https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cambrid...https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http://www.cambridgewargames.org.uk/members/andy/emailer/&data=02%7c01%7c%7cf2af200a61bc4579aa9a08d6ba0bf91e%7c84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7c1%7c0%7c636900957917086106&sdata=ksx65teiSA/3yDIZ7Xa4zaNEpg7Zi2jZ6wPekIyePd8%3D&reserved=0 and https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http:%2F%2Fwww.earth.li%...https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http://www.earth.li/~noodles/hardware-e3.html&data=02%7c01%7c%7cf2af200a61bc4579aa9a08d6ba0bf91e%7c84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7c1%7c0%7c636900957917096118&sdata=XnTlIu9qQH5zhacKTyZbILAv0aWpNSmkoMRymW4qacs%3D&reserved=0 say 115,200 8n1 no handshake.

Antony.

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I have mine next to me near my PC, its on the Emailer page on Wikipedia, I still use it to make a call if I want, I sometime get it to play demo mode..😊

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Amstrad_E-mailer_Plus_an...

My Amstrad E2CC Plus is on the left and E3 is on the right.

Still looking out for a E3 with the Configuration Change on but its very rare. I have it on my E2 Plus and was the only one I have seen on eBay.

If I could dump the firmware on the E2CC(CC stands for Config Change) I could share it.

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Thanks..😊 You host it on your PC did you say, I am going to be doing that soon, I did it years ago, I use a wampserver on Windows because you install it and works and all I have to do is point it to my outside IP then a domain name and its done then start adding pages, I use to host a forum that way but my internet was to slow, now its not.

Going to host the old Amstrad website from 2004 and Cliff old UK Online site(UK Online was owned by Sky too and they closed it in 2011 the same time Amstrad was close down, that's why Cliff’s site disappeared)Sky buys companies and take there technology and add it to there own and then shut it down,it sound like the Borg to me.. SKY Resistant is Futile… 😊

If you are wondering why I am not using the Amstrad E2(Plus) its because they are rare with the Configuration Change on and I don’t want to ware it out, that why I want to find a way of backing up its firmware, so if the hardware fails, all I need is another E2(Plus) to replace it with. And I share it here too and then the E2 Plus can be of some use of all the other E2s out there that are deactivated. Did anyone manage to backup the E2s firmware or hack it at all..? All I have seen is the E3 hacked to install Linux on..?

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From: Jonathan McDowellmailto:noodles@earth.li Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎12‎ ‎April‎ ‎2019 ‎07‎:‎38 To: Discussion of the Amstrad E3 emailer hardware/softwaremailto:e3-hacking@earth.li

On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 09:02:51PM +0000, Nick Griffin wrote:

Who owns the wiki page at https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.earth... would it be ok if I up dated it,

It's running on my machine but go ahead and do any updates you think would make it more useful - the whole point of having it as a wiki was to make it possible for anyone to update.

(Thanks to spammers the process of registering might be a little tricky, but let me know if you hit problems.)

J.

-- If a program is useful, it must be changed.

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The Amstrad E3 lasted 3 months for it deactivated itself and it had games on it so recorded them before they disappeared. Tetris and Space Invaders.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9tS0rgrt0E

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https://nonlen.com

Hi,

3devilsasha@gmail.com, spammer, spammed:

And if you press SETUP Button then 1 then 0 it has numbers on the Setup Info screen Picture here.. [Non-English gambling site]

The Mailman lists I manage these days have the ability to set a new subscriber's ‘moderated’ flag so their posts have to be manually approved until that flag is explicitly cleared.

I recently picked up an E3 which I'm intending to do something with, but I don't know whether it's one of the ones with a locked-down bootloader. I was vaguely thinking of trying to port Fuzix to it.

Did anyone get anywhere with JTAG?

On Tue, 1 Oct 2024 at 09:58, Jonathan McDowell noodles@earth.li wrote:

On Tue, Oct 01, 2024 at 08:11:14AM +0100, Ralph Corderoy wrote:

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3devilsasha@gmail.com, spammer, spammed:

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And if you press SETUP Button then 1 then 0 it has numbers on the Setup Info screen Picture here.. [Non-English gambling site]

The Mailman lists I manage these days have the ability to set a new subscriber's ‘moderated’ flag so their posts have to be manually approved until that flag is explicitly cleared.

At this point in time that sounds like it would likely mean I'd miss any legitimate posts in moderation given the amount I deal with from non-members trying to spam the list. I've removed this email address and set the subscription policy to require moderation, which will hopefully prevent this in the future.

Is anyone out there still using their Emailer, btw? I think I still manage to have one in a box that I never configured up, and the other is out, hacked to run mainline Linux, but unused for years.

J.

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