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Re: [Alug] Ow! MS strikes out against cross-platform?
by MJ Ray 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

Andrew Savory <a.savory(a)btinternet.com> writes: > Not even slightly. .Net is a framework for internet applications. Not quite. I'll forward the best explanation I've been sent as soon as I find it again. > .Net is yet another way of Microsoft embracing, > extending and ultimately consuming the internet. So, should Free Software (Mono, dotGNU) be aiding and abetting them in this smash and grab on Eden?

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Re: [Alug] Bash script help please!
by MJ Ray 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

bsamuels(a)datamansys.co.uk writes: > Can I automate this process from within a script? Yes, possibly, with .netrc and ftp, but why don't you tell us the actual problem you're trying to solve with this script and comparison and there's probably another solution out there.

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ISDN Question
by Mathew Bland 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

Hi, Does anyone have any experience with BTInternet and ASUSCom (with Winbond chipset) ISDN cards with Mandrake? The problem I have is this: I used to run Mandrake with an old ISA Eicon ISDN card, and I could connect to the internet and all was well with the world. Due to harddrive failure I lost Mandrake for a while and recently decided to reinstall it. This time around though, I have a new ASUSCom PCI ISDN card. Mandrake detected and (appeared) to set it all up correctly. I checked all the relevant files (resolv.conf,mycard,myisp,pap-secrets and chap-secrets) to ensure that it had set them all up ok and everything looked fine. So, I begin to connect to the internet in the normal way (ifup ippp0, isdnctrl dial ippp0 etc) and it appeared to connect correctly. The only problem is, that I cannot go *anywhere* on the internet. I cannot ping any internet IP (except the one given to me by the ISP on connection) and when I do a nslookup it fails to find the nameservers. Also the netgraph that I have running shoots up to full until I disconnect. I have heard that BTInternet uses CHAP authentication, could this be a problem?? I am considering putting the old card back in, but that strikes me as a bit defeatist... Mat

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Re: [Alug] Questions from a test
by MJ Ray 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> writes: > > > a) Runlevel 5 automatically starts the X window system T/F > So what answer would you put for this question, bear in mind most of > the other questions are refering to Redhat 7 explisitly. "It depends on what the inittab says." Also, note that X has access control to stop unwelcome applications shoving their windows in your face. Many people run X with tcp disabled.

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Re: [Alug] Version Numbers
by Andrew.Chandler＠ftid.com 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

/me wonders if all RedHat versions are development versions!! John, No, not for RedHat, SuSE et cetera.... Does Debian? Andi John Seago <john.seago(a)btinternet.com> on 17/07/2001 17:26:28 To: alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk cc: (bcc: Andrew Chandler/PSD/LONDON/FTI) Subject: [Alug] Version Numbers RFC822 message headers I am currently wrestling with Red Hat 7.1, (seawolf). Do the issue/version numbers in the full package follow the same numbering system as the kernel numbering, is 7.1 a development version of 7? If so would I be better off getting hold of issue seven, as some applications seem to crash, (this is most likely due to my blundering than any inherent fault). Having got the KDE Email and web browser up and running I am now trying to get Balsa to work, the incoming mail is fine but with the same settings as in KDE it does not seem to work, obviously there is something I've missed. Can anyone advise me please? John Seago _______________________________________________ alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug See the website for instructions on digest or unsub!

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[Fwd: Re: [Alug] Version Numbers]
by Michael Lincoln 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

For everyone who missed by rant (I'm sure you care 8) ) -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Alug] Version Numbers Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:57:49 +0100 From: Michael Lincoln <mclinc(a)essex.ac.uk> To: Neill Newman <neill(a)entora.co.uk> References: <01071717262800.01024(a)localhost.localdomain> <87k817rxfr.fsf(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> <3B55456B.F23C81F3(a)entora.co.uk> Neill Newman wrote: >MJ Ray wrote: > >>John Seago <john.seago(a)btinternet.com> writes: >> >>>system as the kernel numbering, is 7.1 a development version of 7? >>> >>With RedHat, no, as far as I know. >> > > >nope, the numbers are just that.. the devel version of redhat is called >rawhide, and lives on several mirror archives if you want to have aplay >with it... > >>>If so would I be better off getting hold of issue seven, as some >>>applications seem to crash, (this is most likely due to my blundering >>>than any inherent fault). >>> >>I've heard the criticism of RedHat that they have done a "if it >>compiles, ship it" strategy with 7.1 rather a lot recently. Can any >>of our RedHat users confirm or deny that? >> > > >I can deny that, While I am sure that there are bugs with various pieces >of RedHat that have shipped, there are also a comparable number of bug >and security releases with other distro's. I have been using redhat for >about 5 years now, and in my experience they do a 6 month ship cycle, >and three months after the last release they freeze versions and work on >getting the bugs out (unless a security alert is made on a package).. >imho they don';t just ship it if it compiles...I've used all versions >since 3.0.3, and 7.1 is definatly more stable/more features than any >other release (ok, I acknowledge the gcc argument, but i'm not going to >get drawn into it again ;)... > >hth >Sz > I can conferm this! Redhat have realy f**ked up on more that one occation by shipping software that is broken, when there where perfectly good alternatives. They are always shipping development versions of libc. Sure they are driving the technology forwards very quickly by geting this software tested by millions of people, but persionaly I'd rather It wasn't me that was forced into the testing. I have no problems running beta software. My X-server was complied weekly out of CVS for about a year, but I do like to have a choise. I want a distro thats broken *after* I've been at it, not before 8). (hence I dont use redhat) Did you actualy use RH 5.0 ? Please, dont use the word "stable" near it! Sure redhat has more features than something like slackware, but it's _nothing like_ as stable. For me SuSE is a happy medium. Simple out of the box installs that do everything & more than I need, and relatively well built cf. Redhat. I installed SuSE 7.1 the otherday and its the best I've seen from SuSE yet. Almost everything worked out of the box. USB mouse/keyboard/printer, WinTV card, SCSI, ethernet, my visor, even theres even an RPM for the temperature sensor on my motherboard! - every bit of hardware I have. It comes with 2.4.2 +patches kernel. You can download XF 4.1.0 rpms from there ftp site and these work with H/W accel. openGL with no hacking. I droped in kernel 2.4.6, no need to upgrade anything. Hit the online autoupdate button on yast2 and it applied all the updates. Yast1 configured LVM form me. Infact to get the (desktop) system to a useable state all I had to hand edit was the conf.modules file to get the kernel drivers for my sound blaster working. (alsa has never liked my SB16 for some reasion). Oh yes, and they mannage to release security fixes too. I suspect they also have a feature freeze *before* they release, like anyone without a death wish 9). Having used both SuSE and RedHat for extened periods of time I'd have to recommend SuSE to anyone. There is simply no reasion to use RedHat anymore. Even the comercial support argument has gone. SuSE has 38% of the Americal market share OTTOMH Anyway rant over, must do some work... Mike > >>_______________________________________________ >>alug, the Anglian Linux User Group list >>Send list replies to alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk >>http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug >>See the website for instructions on digest or unsub! >> >

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Re: [Alug] Version Numbers
by MJ Ray 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

Andrew Savory <a.savory(a)btinternet.com> writes: > Thank goodness Debian's release process is as rigourous as it is. Shame it > takes them 2 years to punt one out, though... Steady on... it's only been 1 year since 2.2 and there have been 3 security releases. The freeze for 3.0 has started. 18 months is probably closer ;-)

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Version Numbers
by John Seago 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

I am currently wrestling with Red Hat 7.1, (seawolf). Do the issue/version numbers in the full package follow the same numbering system as the kernel numbering, is 7.1 a development version of 7? If so would I be better off getting hold of issue seven, as some applications seem to crash, (this is most likely due to my blundering than any inherent fault). Having got the KDE Email and web browser up and running I am now trying to get Balsa to work, the incoming mail is fine but with the same settings as in KDE it does not seem to work, obviously there is something I've missed. Can anyone advise me please? John Seago

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Re: [Alug] Version Numbers
by MJ Ray 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

John Seago <john.seago(a)btinternet.com> writes: > system as the kernel numbering, is 7.1 a development version of 7? With RedHat, no, as far as I know. > If so would I be better off getting hold of issue seven, as some > applications seem to crash, (this is most likely due to my blundering > than any inherent fault). I've heard the criticism of RedHat that they have done a "if it compiles, ship it" strategy with 7.1 rather a lot recently. Can any of our RedHat users confirm or deny that?

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Re: [Alug] Where to buy a Slackware 8.0 box in the UK?
by Joss Winn 18 Jul '01

18 Jul '01

Thanks for your suggestions on where to get Slackware 8 in the UK. What I really want though is to buy the offical box set with manual. Partly to support the distribution and partly because I want the printed manual. Any sugestions on the offical box set are still very welcome. cheers! Joss --

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