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Re: [ALUG] Microsoft and schools
by Dave Briggs 05 Dec '03

05 Dec '03

On Friday 05 December 2003 09:16, Craig wrote: > Speaking about this.. anyone seen that show last night on BBC2? Bill > Gates 'won' ;) > > 'Bill Gates won because his software is everywhere' > > True however but I felt as always the BBC doesn't research far enough. I think these sort of programmes are a real waste of time, and don't actually teach us anything new. An obvious way to sort out who was more 'powerful' (however you define that) between Gates and Jobs would just to do a quick poll on who had heard of Gates, and who had heard of Jobs. Gates would be a clear winner, it would take 5 minutes and then we could get on with the rest of our lives. However, the whole exercise is fatuous in the extreme. On Dec 4 and 5 2003, nick daniels wrote: > Microsoft boss Bill Gates has promoted laptops for pupils > Schools across the UK could save up to £50m on Microsoft software over > the next three years. The Education Secretary, Charles Clarke, said > Microsoft had reached an agreement with the government's educational > technology agency, Becta. "This kind of agreement shows the advantages in > co-ordinated procurement for schools across the country." > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/3291279.stm > > Sorry I meant to add on the bottom " how much would the > saving be if open source was adopted" Exactly. £50m saved must mean an awful lot more than that is being spent, which at the end of the day is our money, as taxpayers. They should ditch all propriatory software in schools, and switch to OSS. Part of the savings could be spent on providing hard up families with computers, again fully installed with OSS. The rest can be spent on (gasp) books. If kids at school are using the software, they will want to be able to use it at home. Sufficient numbers will then be clued up when they go into the workplace, and can help business save some money too. Dave

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JOB Opportunities for C/C++ on linux
by Vasko Tomanov 05 Dec '03

05 Dec '03

Hi, The company where I work now search for 2-3 experienced Linux C/C++ developers. ( for multiplatform development) Do anyone search for new job ? Cheers Vasko Tomanov

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EU guide to OSS migration
by Dave Briggs 05 Dec '03

05 Dec '03

Not sure if everyone has already seen this, if so, apologies. http://europa.eu.int/ISPO/ida/jsps/index.jsp?fuseAction=showDocument&parent… It's basically a guide by the EU for government bodies migrating from propriatory to open source software. The main document is a 150 page behemoth of a PDF, but I have scanned through it and seems to make sensible reading. They even provide a speadsheet to work out potential cost savings - and you can have in in OpenOffice.org format as well as Excel! True believers, clearly. I am starting a new job at a local council in the New Year and it will be interesting to find out in any discussions have been made about using OSS in their offices. With several governmental bodies on the continent (the Germans are quite keen, aren't they?) making the switch, it would be interesting to know how things are progressing in this country - especially in the wake of all of our rising council tax bills.... Dave

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Re: [ALUG] EU guide to OSS migration
by Dave Briggs 05 Dec '03

05 Dec '03

On Dec 5 2003, MJ Ray wrote: > Some UK councils are moving over. The most high profile migration in > progress is probably SuSE's work with Nottingham City Council. There's a > press release that's more like an article at > http://www.suse.de/en/company/press/press_releases/archive03/nottingham_cit… A brilliant example of the way that OSS can be used to a) reduce costs long term and b) actually do a job *better* than propriatory solutions. I think any organisation that uses propriatory software on servers really must be a bit mental, these days. With more success stories like this, OSS will get more of a foothold in the consciousness of those behind IT policy in these organisations - I think a snowball effect would be highly likely: word would soon spread, especially about the cost savings. You never know, Linux might even end up on council office desktops! > and it featured in GLU&D issue 31 (SCO Erupts cover). I can't see it > online, but I can drop a copy of the article to you if you want. That would be interesting - maybe bring it to the KL meet in the New Year? Dave

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A6 meeting notices
by MJ Ray 04 Dec '03

04 Dec '03

Last I was at the forum in Norwich, people seemed to like the small meeting notices, so I've turned them into templates, plugged them into a script and produced ones for the other venues: http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/cards.ps.php?loc=NCH for Norwich http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/cards.ps.php?loc=MID for Syleham It's fairly easy to add other venues as details appear, or update the above. Please get them out into shops, windows, noticeboards, etc. -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. Please http://remember.to/edit_messages on lists to be sure I read http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef(a)jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/

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Re: [ALUG] FOSS for Joe (was Hello There)
by Dave Briggs 04 Dec '03

04 Dec '03

On Dec 4 2003, Graham Trott wrote: > Capable, yes. Willing, not so sure. People who use Windows expect a > fully graphical approach to anything, whether it does the job better or > not. Once persuaded of the benefits of manual mark-up they're surely > capable, but if they're only doing lightweight HTML the problem is in > making that first step. Many Windows users regard Linux as "DOS but more > complicated" and therefore a retrograde step back from the wonderful > world of on-screen widgets. The way to tempt them in is to provide > familiar eye-candy, not lecture them with a stern, Spartan "Do it this > way, it's good for you". A good point. If Linux is to make the breakthrough to non-savvy desktop users, I suppose there has to be an equivalent application for everything that Windows has. Like you say, the lecture would put people off, I guess.

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RE: [ALUG] cups server problem
by Jenny Hopkins 04 Dec '03

04 Dec '03

> >> Is the second machine listed in your /etc/exports.allow ? > > > > I thought that was only used for NFS? I think LPRng used hosts.lpd, > > but I > > don't know what CUPS uses. > > Me too. Cups is configured in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf on here, for > network (IPP) connections you need to change the allowed machines, > works very much in the same way as apache's set up as far as I can > see. > > Hope that gives a starting point. > > Cheers, > > Brett. Ah, I should have caught up on all my mails before replying. I've allowed everything in cupsd.conf, restarted the server, but can't print from either a windows samba share or a linux box on the same network: the requests are getting through but tail-ing the cups access/error log don't give clues, logging on full. The windows error is "permission denied", the linux box doens't give one. Both the win and linux are connecting as users I've set up on the server, as ordinary and samba users. I set my firewall to allow everything local in case that was the problem. Baffled, Jenny

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RE: [ALUG] cups server problem
by Jenny Hopkins 04 Dec '03

04 Dec '03

> -----Original Message----- > From: Paul [mailto:bdi-emc@ntlworld.com] > Sent: 02 December 2003 17:36 > To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > Subject: Re: [ALUG] cups server problem > > > > Hi Jenny > > Is the second machine listed in your /etc/exports.allow ? > > Regards, Paul. > Oooooh, no! I'll try that when I get home, I've tried everything else.... Thanks, Jenny

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Re: [ALUG] FOSS for Joe (was Hello There)
by Dave Briggs 04 Dec '03

04 Dec '03

On Dec 4 2003, MJ Ray wrote: > Anyway, a short recap of what I remember from the last discussion: > there are some GUI tools, but code editing gives the finest control. A > true "WYSIWYG [HTML] editor" is impossible. I think this is right. I hand code my websites, and I am *so* un-techy that I can't even get my soundcard to work in Linux. I have tried using Dreamweaver on a machine at work, and I have to say that it confused the hell out of me - I think it might actually be easier to hand code. I use gedit to edit my files - even bluefish etc manage to confuse me! There are loads of good HTML guides on the web, although often having a book in front of you helps. One of the reasons I like coding websites is that it is a really simple way of "programming" (I know, I know; I am using the term in it's loosest sense) a computer, and getting some good results. My advice would be: Give it a go! Dave

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FOSS for Joe (was Hello There)
by Ben Francis 03 Dec '03

03 Dec '03

P.S. http://home.freeuk.com/losingtouch/pics/office_suicide.gif -- Ben "tola" Francis 00101010 tola ^/. http://hippygeek.co.uk mailto:tola_at_imen.org.uk opinions expressed are of the voices in my head only

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