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Re: [Alug] Introduction
by Matt Parker 12 Apr '02

12 Apr '02

On Friday 12 April 2002 07:17, you wrote: > Keith Watson wrote: > > Just a quick hello from someone who's just joined. > > Welcome to ALUG, Keith... > > [SNIP] > > > Reason for joining: After many years of saying "This year I'm going to > > install an Intel version of Unix on my PC" I finally got round to putting > > Mandrake 7.0 on early last year. I immediately started to try and > > customise it to suit my hardware and ran into all sorts of problems. I'm > > now in the midst of trying to install my own flavour of Linux from the > > Linux From Scratch project <http://www.linuxfromscratch.org> and having > > moderate success. I hope to learn enough from this to have a bit more > > success tailoring Linux for my own use. It would be nice to link up with > > other Linux afficianados in the area and swap war stories, experiences > > etc. and perhaps be able to help others out where possible. > > Although I understand that Mandrake is the easiect to install, I > doubt it will suit someone with real knowledge, with results you've > seen. I've found that, as my knowledge has increased, I have become > more and more frustrated with packaged Linux systems. My personal > favourite, and which remains so for the desktop, is SuSE. I'm quite > happy to allow them to cosset me in the land of sound, X, and such > stuff. However, servers are another matter entirely. [SNIP] I run Mandrake on my machine. I let it set up all my X server, gadgets, games etc. and installed all the server stuff from source. Since I sometimes play about with stuff at home for work I find that Mandrake's default installation locations are pants, not to mention the fact that it installs Apache with *everything* turned on. In fact I hardly ever install from packages. I don't find that Mandrake complains at all. If I need to install something from the CDs then I use the source RPM and build it from there. That way I don't have to worry about missing dependencies etc. All in all, a great distro - and this comes from a "hardcore" Unix user who plays with Solaris at work. Matt

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Re: [Alug] Looking for a low-end Linux server
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 12 Apr '02

12 Apr '02

Chris Allen wrote: >Does anybody have any idea where I can buy such a beast? Try cambridge computer supplies; I got an excellent box there without an OS installed, all the hardware was supported (SIS stuff mostly). http://www.cambridge-computers.com/ http://www.sis.com/support/driver/linux.htm Jen

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Re: [Alug] Lynn meeting?
by MJ Ray 12 Apr '02

12 Apr '02

> I'm going to be in at UEA tomorrow, will do that if you like. Who do I get > in touch with? Room bookings, but I've not booked a room since they've moved. I'm told that you can do it by email now. A quick search of their "intranet" should show it up. -- MJR

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FORTRASH
by David Freeman 12 Apr '02

12 Apr '02

I need to learn FORTRAN for a Summer job I have just got, anyone got any suggestions on good books etc... to learn from? D

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Not sure what the subject should be!!!
by Simon 11 Apr '02

11 Apr '02

Hi chaps and chappesses.. It's probably possible and really easy, but I don't know how... I want to dump a file in a directory and as soon as it appears to be executed then removed... i.e ftp a file onto a server in a particular directory, once uploaded, the file gets executed immediately... Possible yes/no? I'm sure I've heard that this can be done, just can't remember.. TIA Simon

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Re: [Alug] Venue.
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 11 Apr '02

11 Apr '02

MJRay wrote: > Shall we have a topic or theme for the meeting? email setup? Good plan! I can hold forth for an hour on how not to do it..... >Yeah, maildrop is waaay easier to configure. I was looking at "multidrop" by mistake. Are we set on Sun 21st April for a meeting date, then, possibly still at King's Lynn but most likely at Elmswell? Re. poster for install day...I did a pretty crappy one last year, we could get it out and dust it a bit and re-use it, but a slightly more inspired one might be better? http://www.linuxinstallday.org/joinin.php Maybe if we sign up we'll be sent stuff like that? Jen.

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training thing
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 11 Apr '02

11 Apr '02

They want to set up a stall at Glastonbury :-) http://www.fraw.org.uk/archive/rangers/cltc/cltc_proposal.html

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Re: [Alug] Venue.
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 11 Apr '02

11 Apr '02

Rob wrote: >I wrote a message about 4:30pm but it hasn't appeared yet, I must have just clicked replay and not reply all. >Anyway gist of it was you can always use Elmswell if you want. >Regards, Rob. Sounds brilliant to me - Sun 21st April, 2-6? We ought to check most people can make that so you have a nice roomful of geek-types this time. I can bring all my computers and everyone can laugh at my fetchmail config files. Last night I decided that I needed to tell fetchmail that it had to use procmail to deliver mail locally, and I then wrote what I considered to be a basic procmail file. I then expectantly fetched my mail, and sat back in joy and delight as the mail plopped into the right boxes. Two minutes later, after wondering why the computer was still scrunching , I did a ps aux, and realised exim was undergoing a new process every second or so, then on opening a groaning heaving mutt I realised I had unwittingly set up a mail loop and my mail was replicating and sending itself back to me, so i now have four copies of every message in my mailbox, great. About 4,000 mails. Back to the drawing board on that one, eh! (Mark is now going to post a message asking why on earth I was tryng to use procmail in the first place....;-) ) Jenny.

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Lynn meeting?
by Dryden 11 Apr '02

11 Apr '02

Well when and where will it be in kings lynn? sorry i dont know if any of this has been decided yet and was just wondering what was happening(if anything)? Also just a note for the install days i think that games are a big selling point about any operating system. If your going to try and convert people then maybe you should show the average user that its posible to play games on linux. Have quake 1, 2 or 3 playing would be nice and maybe an emulator or two(xmame runing metal slug is quite nice). Dennis Dryden (sorry about the bellow bloat :( but i cant sort it out) ********************************************************************** IMPORTANT: This email and its attachments are intended for the addressee only and may be confidential. If they have come to you in error you must take no action based on them nor must you copy or show them to anyone; please telephone us immediately. The contents of this email and attachments represent the views of the sender and are not necessarily the representative of the views of The College of West Anglia **********************************************************************

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Re: [Alug] Venue.
by Ricardo Campos 11 Apr '02

11 Apr '02

> Anyway gist of it was you can always use Elmswell if you want. Sounds great- thanks. I'm up for it! Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Venue.
by rob＠vetsystems.com 10 Apr '02

10 Apr '02

I wrote a message about 4:30pm but it hasn't appeared yet, I must have just clicked replay and not reply all. Anyway gist of it was you can always use Elmswell if you want. Regards, Rob.

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Re: Venues // Re: [Alug] exim conf request
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 10 Apr '02

10 Apr '02

MJR wrote: >Probably will do if I don't find one today... or would someone else like to >ask? Sudden silence on-list, eh? I've been racking my brains. Darkest Kent is probably further than I would travel. There may be halls etc in Burwell, if anyone would be willing to travel my way, but they won't be free, so we'd need to know folk were definitely turning up to cover costs. Then again, if you come to Burwell, we may as well set up at my building site/ house, as long as allowances are made for the loud GP racing on telly in the corner of the living room. It's not palacial like Simon's cinema, but I have a kettle :-) The offer is there if we are completely venue-less, anyway, although I wouldn't have deemed it ideal. Jen.

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Re: [Alug] exim conf request
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 10 Apr '02

10 Apr '02

MJRay wrote: >Look for such magic words in the fetchmail man page as "multidrop". It's >probably your fetchmailrc which is incorrect. I did have a look at this last night and made some tweaks and fiddles to my fetchmailrc . But: I'm not sure whether or not I need to set up a dns server to make multidrop work? Seems a bit OTT for my humble home mail. ps. How about a meeting somewhere on the 21st April? Thanks, Jen.

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Venues // Re: [Alug] exim conf request
by MJ Ray 10 Apr '02

10 Apr '02

BJ: > How about putting out a request on uk.local.east-anglia to see if there are > any available? Or try a few local pubs they often have back rooms that could > be used and would welcome the trade on a Sunday afternoon. Probably will do if I don't find one today... or would someone else like to ask? -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] exim conf request
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 10 Apr '02

10 Apr '02

>> But: I'm not sure whether or not I need to set up a dns server to make >> multidrop work? Seems a bit OTT for my humble home mail. Ricardo wrote: >could you try adding the entries in /etc/hosts? windows also has a hosts file, which is in the same format. I have the ip addresses of the windows computers matched with the computer name in /etc/hosts e.g 192.168.1.101 bascule.jenbass bascule which isn't what I want here - I want fetchmail to know that mail headed to jenny goes to /var/spool/mail/jenny and for rebecca to /var/spool/mail/rebecca, Rebecca then retreives it from bascule when she checks her mail. I'm getting a tad muddled now. Thanks! Jen.

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Unresolved symbol iopl
by Paul 09 Apr '02

09 Apr '02

Hi Folks Just started writing a new driver for an on going project - The user space test program works fine (up to a point). It reads and writes to the correct IO ports as expected, but the user interface is a bit naff. Now the fun begins - Converting this thing to a module, I have all the usual header includes (lifted from an existing driver), and have hacked the basic initialization routines. It compiles without any errors which in it's self might be worrying, but when I load the module, I get an unresolved symbol "iopl" - I thought this thing was a requirement before any IO access could take place. Has anyone come across this before ? Regards, Paul.

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Re: [Alug] exim conf request
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 09 Apr '02

09 Apr '02

Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com <Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com> wrote: > ....mail coming in for $user(a)trx850.uklinux.net all gets > sent to /var/spool/mail/jenny rather than /var/spool/mail/$user. MJRay wrote: >How is the email coming in? I'll send you my config, but it's probably not >what you need. I use fetchmail to grab everything from mail.trx850.uklinux.net. Many thanks for the config file - I've forwarded it home to compare. Jenny

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exim conf request
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 09 Apr '02

09 Apr '02

Hi all, I meant to ask on IRC last night (but was too occupied with talking about food and motorbikes)....is there anyone out there who could send me a copy of their exim.config file, so I can try and see where i am going wrong? I'm trying to set up my home network so that my windows-using family go through my linux box for mail as well as web access.....I've now got as far as windows sending the mail to linux box and it being passed on out of the door correctly, but mail coming in for $user(a)trx850.uklinux.net all gets sent to /var/spool/mail/jenny rather than /var/spool/mail/$user. Which would be fine if I want to sit by my box forwarding mail to the correct owner all day after spying on their conversations, but I don't. I did get my web proxy server to do caching last night - it hadn't hitherto worked because i needed to change the owner of the cache directory to web-user. Simple when you know how, *sigh*. Thanks! Jen.

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Re: [Alug] new kernel install
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 08 Apr '02

08 Apr '02

Many thanks to all for replies to new kernel question: just back at my desk after ten blissful days away. All seems to have gone well, with lilo happy to give me a choice of kernels to boot into....2.4.18 seems ok so far. Let's see if it cures the "do_try_to_free_pages_update" problem! Cheers, all! Jenny.

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 08 Apr '02

08 Apr '02

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.openprojects.net in the #alug channel, you can take a look at www.openprojects.net to get more info on the openprojects network. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server uk.openprojects.net" or "/server eu.openprojects.net" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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new kernel install
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 07 Apr '02

07 Apr '02

Happy spring, all! I've celebrated by doing my first kernel upgrade. Now, I have gone through all the make stuff, and ended up at make bzimage, with the intention of sticking the image on a floppy for testing. However I've come up with the message "warning: kernel is too large for standalone boot from floppy". How advisable is it to just go ahead and "make install" at this stage? I have copied vmlinz-2.2.18 and config-2.2.18 to vmlinuxOLD and configOLD. Also, is "make bzlilo" like "make install" but also tells lilo about the new kernel image? Thanks! Jen.

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ADMIN: Mailman Upgrade on Tuesday 9th April
by Martyn Drake 07 Apr '02

07 Apr '02

Hi folks, Just a bit of advanced warning that I'll be upgrading the ALUG list manager, Mailman, to version 2.0.9 on Tuesday 9th April at 1pm. There will be a small amount of downtime whilst the archives and the list configs are backup up and the new version installed. Thanks, Martyn -- Martyn Drake | Email : martyn-d(a)moving-picture.com Systems Administrator | Web : http://www.moving-picture.com The Moving Picture Company | Phone : +44 (0)20 7434 3100/ext. 7853

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Would the next iptables expert step forward please.
by bsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 06 Apr '02

06 Apr '02

I meant to post this to the list (which I have now done) but I think that I sent to Mark's address by mistake. MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > I have the recollection that there are modules not obviously related > to > iptables that are required. They are not built automatically > because the > configuration system can't cope with it. Here are relevant options > on this > box. Anything not mentioned is not set or really irrelevant. See > how yours > differ: I religiously set my options to match your list but still got the same unresolved symbols list. So I thought I'd start from scratch. I deleted the kernel source code directory and re-unpacked the source code. Reloaded my saved configuration and re-compiled. Now I'm even more mystified. I get an even longer list which includes some network drivers( 3c59x) which appeared to be ok before: depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/drivers/net/3c59x.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/drivers/net/8390.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/drivers/net/dummy.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/drivers/net/pcmcia/pcnet_cs.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/drivers/net/ppp_async.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/drivers/net/ppp_generic.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/fs/smbfs/smbfs.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_conntrack.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipt_MASQUERADE.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipt_REJECT.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/iptable_filter.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/iptable_nat.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv6/ipv6.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv6/netfilter/ip6_tables.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv6/netfilter/ip6table_filter.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/netlink/netlink_dev.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/sunrpc/sunrpc.o I can't help feeling that I'm doing (not doing) something very obvious. I have compiled kernels many times in the past and have never had any trouble that wasn't of my own making.

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Re: [Alug] Re: FreeBSD
by MJ Ray 06 Apr '02

06 Apr '02

Ricardo suggested: > Anyone got one of those SUSE live evaluation CD's? I've never used one, > but the concept of playing around in a Linux distro purely off a CD > (without having to play with your HD) makes trying it out a lot easier. Actually, a CD with one of the live Linux demo systems on, a copy of something like zipslack for the Windows/DOS users and copies of network install images for Debian and any others is probably a very good idea for the Install Day. I expect other LUGs participating would like to use such a thing. I'm more than happy to do the artwork and documentation, so who can compile the CD image? Shall we talk about this on IRC on Monday? I expect I can arrange distribution too if required, but hopefully it won't be a full 650Mb (reduce download and burn times... let's not fill the disc with crap just to make up the numbers, but having (for example) key starter docs from the LDP on there is probably a good idea). -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Re: FreeBSD
by Ricardo Campos 06 Apr '02

06 Apr '02

> Is Zipslack any good for a starter? It may be that we can do one bootable CD with three or more distributions on. Evil, huh? ;-) I tried Zipslack and Phatlinux before any other- the only real bonus is that you don't have to get confused with partitions etc. I didn't really find them more accessable than a normal distro that sets X up for you (or helps you along!). You need to have the documentation handy too-it's probably harder for us to print that out than it is to do CD's. I think one thing that puts newbies off is: I've got this command line- now what? Anyone got one of those SUSE live evaluation CD's? I've never used one, but the concept of playing around in a Linux distro purely off a CD (without having to play with your HD) makes trying it out a lot easier. Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Would the next iptables expert step forward please.
by Ricardo Campos 06 Apr '02

06 Apr '02

> From the clean source code tree I did: > > make dep > make bzImage > make modules > make modules_install OK, Ricardo stating the obvious again. I know you said the source code tree is clean, but did you try to make clean or (possibly a better idea) make mrproper at any point? Worth a go, I guess, just incase you had stuff hanging about from previous comps. > bang head against wall > bang head against wall again I know that feeling too well! The only other thing I'm thinking of is maybe your compiler is fscked? Are you using gcc 2.95, or a later one? Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Re: FreeBSD
by Ricardo Campos 06 Apr '02

06 Apr '02

> > We'd prefer to only send out fairly large quantities, of say 100, but > > we'd consider lots of 25 as well. If you're interested then let me know. -SNIP- > Perhaps this may be of some interest for the `Install fest Day' provided > someone can install them, Pity they're on DVD, as the box I have reserved for *BSD and Debian only has an old CD-Rom drive :( I see no reason why someone shouldn't install a *BSD at the install fests, but the focus should really be *GNU*/Linux. As a related point, I suspect if people turn up, some may not bring their computers (they *are* a pain to lug around), so maybe we could have some install discs on offer? Plenty of us could put the first CD of (insert distro's name here) on a CD-R, and there's plenty of Debians CD's bandying about. Perhaps we could do a 3 disc pack for a small fee- like 1 Debian, 1 Redhat, 1 Slackware, just so that we present an offer of several distros so people can try them out. (I'm all for choice rather than forcing 1 distro on a newbie) I know Martyn had some on offer for cheap a while back (in rather spiffy cases, might I add). Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: FreeBSD
by John Seago 06 Apr '02

06 Apr '02

With regard to the above which was refered to in thursday's main digest, the following was posted in the Freebsd-users digest, of todays date: > Message: 1 > Subject: FreeBSD 4.4 DVDs available to a good home > From: Paul Richards <paul(a)freebsd-services.com> > To: freebsd-users(a)uk.freebsd.org > Date: 05 Apr 2002 11:54:23 +0200 > We've got several hundred copies of 4.4 left that we'd like to give away > to help promote FreeBSD. > Some ideas we've had are to give them out at computer societies in > colleges or other user groups but we're open to any other sensible > suggestions. > We'd prefer to only send out fairly large quantities, of say 100, but > we'd consider lots of 25 as well. If you're interested then let me know. > Paul. Perhaps this may be of some interest for the `Install fest Day' provided someone can install them, I've found it most perplexing as a) I never bothered to learn how to partition, and, b) one is offered such a huge choice that decision making becomes a bewildering maze. John Seago

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Perhaps my subject should have been 'kernel compile problem'
by bsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 06 Apr '02

06 Apr '02

Having upgraded my Debian system to 'Testing' I am trying to move to kernel 2.4.18 but before I do that I need to get an iptables firewall set up. With my original 2.2.20 kernel I had used PMFirewall to set up my firewall. Answer a few simple questions and Bingo - one firewall and a perfectly servicable one too. I am trying to use Endoshield in the same way but have recompiled my kernel with the relevant bits included I get the following when depmod is run: depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_conntrack.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipt_REJECT.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/iptable_filter.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/iptable_mangle.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/iptable_nat.o I have never had unresolved symbols after compiling a kernel until now. Apart from that the kernel seems to work perfectly well. Barry Samuels

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Re[3]: [Alug] Would the next iptables expert step forward please.
by bsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 05 Apr '02

05 Apr '02

"Ricardo Campos" <corez23(a)linuxmail.org> wrote: > >What I meant was I had set the relevant > > configuration options as modules. > > > > Barry Samuels > > Do the other modules generated during kernel compilation work? It's > just that the error message refers to the modules themselves. Did > you remember to > > make modules > AND > make modules_install > ? > > Sorry if I'm pointing out the obvious, but it's the obvious things > that are the easiest to miss! Other than that, I'll leave it to our > more experienced ALUG'ers! > > Ricardo All modules, apart from the ones related to iptables, work properly. Yes I did make modules and install them. I have compiled kernels many times. Never had this before. Thanks for trying. Barry Samuels

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Re: [Alug] MTU & TCP/IP (errata!)
by Ricardo Campos 05 Apr '02

05 Apr '02

My last info was a little incorrect. My /etc/ppp/options file reads: mtu 576 mru 512 lock Since the MRU needs to be less than the MTU. (essentially MTU- header size). Actually, I have noticed that I connect quicker as well as view pages quicker. If you remember seeing those dreadful adverts for windoze users saying "speed up your modem", this is essentially what those programs do. They also usually nag you with popups as well, though! Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: Meetings, was Re: [Alug] (no subject)
by Ricardo Campos 05 Apr '02

05 Apr '02

>We need to get started on this now, and then we can >use the (hopeful) Lynn >meeting to plan it further. Well, as soon as we get a confirmation on the exact date, time and location of the UEA one, I am more than willing to run around the computer shops in Norwich city centre with posters for it. Of course, that doesn't mean they'll AGREE to putting them up, but it's worth a go. I can always use the colour laser printers at work for the posters. ;) Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] MTU & TCP/IP
by Ricardo Campos 05 Apr '02

05 Apr '02

> > Is there any way to change the default MTU in Linux -SNIP- In response to my own question (for the archives, you see), I edited the /etc/ppp/options file, adding the lines mtu 576 #this is for outgoing connections mru 576 #this is for incoming connections (actually, I didn't add the comments). I used ping to work out the appropriate numbers. Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Would the next iptables expert step forward please.
by Ricardo Campos 05 Apr '02

05 Apr '02

> I am trying to use Endoshield in the same way but have recompiled my > kernel with the relevant bits included I get the following when depmod > is run: > > depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in > /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_conntrack.o If they are included, then you shouldn't need to load modules? The script is likely calling for modules, if iptables was compiled in, these modules won't exist. (i.e. may have to modify the script) Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Would the next iptables expert step forward please.
by bsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 05 Apr '02

05 Apr '02

Having upgraded my Debian system to 'Testing' I am trying to move to kernel 2.4.18 but before I do that I need to get an iptables firewall set up. With my original 2.2.20 kernel I had used PMFirewall to set up my firewall. Answer a few simple questions and Bingo - one firewall and a perfectly servicable one too. I am trying to use Endoshield in the same way but have recompiled my kernel with the relevant bits included I get the following when depmod is run: depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_conntrack.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipt_REJECT.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/iptable_filter.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/iptable_mangle.o depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/iptable_nat.o What have I forgotten? Barry Samuels P.S. If any of you are thinking of entering the 'Firewall Duffer of the year' competition then forget it. I shall win hands down.

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Re: Meetings, was Re: [Alug] (no subject)
by Ricardo Campos 04 Apr '02

04 Apr '02

>I think two sites on one day is too much. Why not take advantage of the >May/June split and have ALUG do both dates, one in each venue? I think so too. We *REALLY* need to advertise- but where? In computer shops maybe? Get some posters designed? >April - try to get a King's Lynn venue, probably tomorrow. Fine by me, depending on the date. >May 19th - Syleham (BJ, did you book it already?) Linux Install Day I might be able to make it, although I have exams the week after (and will have been on hols the week before) >June 9th - UEA Norwich (need someone to book this) Linux Install Day I will certainly turn up! >July } { One of these a BBQ, maybe at Syleham? Yay! BBQ! >Aug. } { One of these a normal meeting, maybe at Elmswell? Yay! ANOTHER BBQ!!! >Start screaming now, AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! :) (someone had to do it) Ricardo _______________________________________________ "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] MTU & TCP/IP
by Ricardo Campos 04 Apr '02

04 Apr '02

> I've not seen it implemented as a daemon, generally it's implemented > in the kernel as Path MTU discovery. I suspected it would be in the kernel- the discovery method working on ever dial-up connection made would get a little irritating, since it would slow things down initially (as it tested the network path) What is advmss? > But there are unfortunately many networks that don't play nice > with this. Interesting. An example, and why? Sorry, I'm in ultra-inquisitive mode. Ricardo PS. Anyone fancy GIVING me £3000 so I can go back to university? Anyone? Anyone? oh. Oh well! -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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New Member Info
by Darren Casey 04 Apr '02

04 Apr '02

Hi Been lurking for a while now on an old e-mail address but figured it was time to actually come forward and say hello. My names Darren, I live in Essex, 27. I own a medium sized web hosting company, with servers in the US all running Slackware 8, usual stuff PHP/MySQL/Perl/Apache/Sendmail or Qmail PGSQL etc.. We also have servers running Redhat on another network, these are Leased. The other ones are our own equipment, i.e. we are not a reseller as so many "hosting companies are" Just ordered a Rack in Redbus Docklands which should be live by the end of the month. The version of Slackware we use is highly customised, I have found this distro to be great as a server rather then a desktop OS. Everything about the way it boots to the way we run MySQL is "different" which is nice but can also be a nightmare sometime :) I just order SuSE to give that a go as a office desktop OS, tried Deb but didn't really get on with it. I love Linux, not even close to understanding everything about it but I can handle everytning I ever need to do with it. I have a guy that writes PureFTPD working for me on a part time basis and he knows more then I could ever hope to know. His also a hardcore programmer, his working with the PHP Dev team atm for upgrades to the new version etc.. Nice guy to have on board. Here to mix with a few like minded people and learn a thing or two. Regards Darren

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(no subject)
by Linux Newbie 04 Apr '02

04 Apr '02

Hi Does any one know the date for the next meeting at the Uea,>? are the meetings free or not ? and how long do they last for, 1 hour 2 hours etc linuxnewbie14(a)hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

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fridge
by David Freeman 04 Apr '02

04 Apr '02

Well finally after over 7 months of waiting, I finally managed to persuade a parental unit to drive me to the wonderful village of Burwell to Collect my Vaxen from Jenny. After an hours playing with her windows box to get it to log on (failed) I finally departed with two Vaxen and 5 wine bottle thingys. And in Traditional style: two Vaxes : 15 ukp ea. petrol to collect them: 10 ukp Look on my dads face when he saw the size of it: Priceless Thank you Jenny. D

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MTU & TCP/IP
by Ricardo Campos 04 Apr '02

04 Apr '02

Is there any way to change the default MTU in Linux dynamically? (OK, I know that there *is*, I just can't work out how). Specifically, is the change system wide, or could I change it on a per interface basis? I guess I could use ifconfig for eth0, but I am unsure as to where it is set for ppp0. e.g. ppp0 (MTU=<1000) and eth0 (MTU=1000) Is there any kind of mtu learning daemon for interfaces? (i.e. MTU actually being worked out by testing fragmentation of packets on the network) Ricardo, being inquisitive ;) _______________________________________________ "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net Check my online diary out: http://www.rscampos.net/blog.html -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] MTU & TCP/IP
by Ricardo Campos 04 Apr '02

04 Apr '02

In reply to asking about changing MTU's, adam wrote:- > Oh stupid me forgot to mention that you can also set it as an option in > pppd the same way as you would using ifconfig. Yes, looks like the suitable option. I just noticed that an an MTU of about 500 produces a significant change in 'speed' over a dial-up (POTS). I didn't think it would make a great difference, but it does, esp. for loading graphics on a webpage. Utterly useless for ADSL, leased/ISDN or cable modems, but then I don't have them. thanks, off to fiddle with my ppp settings! Ricardo _______________________________________________ "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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OxLUG selinux talk 7th April
by James - (jtl1-BF) 03 Apr '02

03 Apr '02

selinux talk at OxLUG - Russell Coker AFAIK this talk at OxLUG on Sunday is still on (selinux list message appended below.) A few other posters on CLUG have mentioned selinux recently. I'm certainly up for it; but have no transport at the moment. If anyone else from CLUG or ALUG would be interested in a lift and cost sharing journey - please contact me and express interest in this thread. If there is sufficient interest, I'll contact Russell Coker for more information, as he suggested. Anyone else ahead of me on this one, please email me off list! TIA --James -------- Original Message -------- Subject: talks about SE Linux Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 02:16:59 +0100 From: Russell Coker <russell(a)coker.com.au> Reply-To: Russell Coker <russell(a)coker.com.au> To: SE Linux <selinux(a)tycho.nsa.gov> Peter suggested that I should inform everyone about the talks on SE Linux I'm giving in the near future. So here's my current plans: On Sunday the 7th of April I am giving a presentation on SE Linux for OxLug (the Oxford LUG). It's an open invite, contact me off-list if you are interested in attending and I'll get you the details. Then I'm doing a presentation at OLS http://www.linuxsymposium.org/ , and after that I'll probably offer a talk for the Debian Conference 2 in Toronto (early July). I imagine that the DebConf people won't reject a talk from me on this topic. Also I have nothing planned between OLS and Debconf, so I could probably do a local LUG in the mean time. Also at OLS I would like to arrange a BOF on advanced security (where we can discuss SE Linux, GR Security, OpenWall, LIDS, and anything else that seems appropriate). This will be entirely separate from the LSM BOF. Another thing I was thinking of was an install-fest for these things. The topics of my talks will be SE Linux in general and on Debianizing it in particular (with discussion on general packaging issues that also apply to RPM or other packaging systems). Also I will discuss other related issues such as finding bugs in programs through SE Linux (which is actually a very trivial thing but gets people's attention). The balance of the various items I talk about will depend on what I expect the audience wants, and can change during the talk in response to questions (I prefer a very interactive format for my presentations). I've agreed in concept to give a talk for the Nederlandse Linux Gebruikers Groep http://www.nllgg.nl/ , but have not been able to arrange a date yet because of my schedule and their schedule not matching well. I'll also offer talks to any other groups that meet in the center of the Netherlands (where I live), and I'll consider other European countries. I'll be in Australia in May to get married, due to this and the talks I have got planned already I can't arrange anything else before the August. The only possible exception is something in Canada the week after OLS which doesn't involve incurring any expenses for me. At the moment I can't arrange anything in August or later because it's too far ahead and I'm organizing too many other things at the moment and can't deal with that too. Please contact me off-list if you want to discuss any of these issues other than BOFs. Russell Coker

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Re: [Alug] *BSD's and Linux
by Ricardo Campos 03 Apr '02

03 Apr '02

> Old hat now that the Mega-Doohickey is now at version 10.5 and is due to > reach the milestone of an ear shatering version 11 (see "This is Spinal Tap" > the movie). :-) Well, I ordered a Mega-Doohickey 10.5" and got a 10.5 *mm*, which is very embarrassing when you have it down your trousers and you set off the metal detector at airports! ;) I understand that the Mega-Doohickey 10.5' comes with some free elves to dance round it. (I'm one of the greatest fans of Spinal Tap) <cough> And of course I'll write it up for the ALUG site-I'll be able to compare the install process with debians as I am dual-booting that machine. Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] *BSD's and Linux
by Ricardo Campos 03 Apr '02

03 Apr '02

> Erm, they are both cheap, as in you can get them for free. downloading > OpenBSD is easy as i think it is about 100Megs and I am not so sure for > FreeBSD. If you want a copy of OpenBSD and can't afford the modem time I > am sure I could grab a copy and burn it to CD-R for you, I should most > likely be able to do that for FreeBSD also. I understand that the .iso of OpenBSD is copyrighted, so that they can at least make *some* money. Actually, I did spend ALL of last week downloading an old copy - 2.8, which is a wopping 618 MB. But the jump from 2.8 to 3.0 appears to be a significant one. I must say this, though. I have *no qualms* about paying for CD's from the source company/org when I am able. It's kinda like a selfish donation "Here have the money, and I'll take a boxed set thanks". I guess that many free software projects are low on money for FTP bandwidth and stuff. >On the end user > perspective it will appear to be much the same as Linux (you may never > notice the differences) but from a sys-admin point of view things are > radically different Seeing as I'm a sys admin, I guess that's the pqart I'll get stuck into! > You will most likely find it a bit trickier to setup than linux, but then > YMMV. AESA=ALUG is an endless source of acronyms! ;) I had anticipated that, and to throw more spice into the tumult of confusion, my test box will be a 2 course meal of Debian and ?BSD! > Erm this isn't offtopic, look at the Faq ;) so this can stay on list, Oh, but I'm running it *on* a Mega-Doohickey 9! ;) (see FAQ) Ricardo _______________________________________________ "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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*BSD's and Linux
by Ricardo Campos 03 Apr '02

03 Apr '02

Ok, a bit off topic, but I'm thinking of installing a *BSD (currently thinking of FreeBSD 4.5 which is cheap, or OpenBSD 3.0 which is more pricey). I'm wondering just HOW different I'll find it to linux, and I'm not too sure about which to get. Any hints, tips, suggestions, hideously biased opinions :-P, etc. offlist would be appreciated (or on list if it's Linux related enough). Again, sorry for being a little offtopic. TIA Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Fw: Re: [Alug] Red Hat 7.2 newbie
by Ricardo Campos 03 Apr '02

03 Apr '02

FORWARDED to ALUG:- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linux Newbie" <linuxnewbie14(a)hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 03:28:40 +0100 To: corez23(a)linuxmail.org Subject: Re: [Alug] Red Hat 7.2 newbie > > well guess im going to work on one problem at the time, > if i can get my modem online then ill be able to get in to the chat on IRc > or something like that ,then get online help which might be more easyier, > > Could you help me get online with linux please.? > > > i have tryed the dail up wizard and i have to pick on of the following > > /dev/ttyS0 > /dev/ttyS1 > /dev/ttyS2 > /dev/ttyS3 > > i have tryed all of them , 1 of them says it cant institle the modem and the > other just gives me that error stright away when one of them tryed to dail > it but guess i have to install the modem drivers > > i got the modem drivers from the company who made my modem etc > > How would i install then? > > i have files > > tornado_vfm560prs.tar > > > so im guess tar is like winzip or something like that , > if i unpack them in windows then save them to cd would it make much > difference`s > > if i unpack the files in windows i get > > tornado_vfm560prs > > im not sure about install the drivers ,i dont know how? > any help would be Great.! > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >From: "Ricardo Campos" <corez23(a)linuxmail.org> > >To: "Linux Newbie" <linuxnewbie14(a)hotmail.com> > >Subject: Re: [Alug] Red Hat 7.2 newbie > >Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 18:23:29 +0000 > > > > > so do u know when the next meeting is and are they free > > > etc? > > > i went to the alug meeting site but they out of date etc it sys join the > > > mail list to know the times etc? > > > so are you Near the Uea then? > > > > > > Where abouts are you if u dont mind me asking,>? > > > > > > >They are free, unless the venue costs money to hire. I've never paid > >anything. I forgot that the venue for the next meeting burnt down, so I > >think we're still yet to organise a replacement venue! I used to live on > >Dereham rd, now I live in spixworth. > > > > > so why is the norton appz not needed in Linux and can i get cd burning > > > software free for linux like download etc or do i have to buy it? > > > > > >If you look under the menu for multimedia- you may have XCDRoast or > >Gnometoaster, there may be a KDE specific one also (KreateCD or KonCD). > >They are free, and are likely to be included in your install (mine were). > >All of these apps are FREE. I have NEVER paid anything for any linux > >application, nor do I intend to (the only reason you *might* is to run an > >enterprise-style server with 1000's of users!) > > > >Here's a good list for applications: > >http://www.linux.org/apps/index.html > >http://apps.kde.org > > > >At present, Linux doesn't require any anti-virus software, since there are > >only 2 I know of (and are virtually impossible to catch). Linux also > >includes a firewall, which you would have set up during installation. > >Linux's file system does not fragment and slow down like Windows-it's far > >more intelligent. You may have chose ext3 as your filesystem - this > >automatically checks the data so it doesn't need to do a scandisk as soon > >as it comes up after a powercut etc. In the event of emergencies like that, > >it will automatically run a program called fsck (like scandisk) that > >repairs any damage. > > > >Basically, the stuff you paid money for in Windows is either free or not > >needed because Linux is more robust and smart! ;) On the downside, it often > >requires more setup, however, this can be seen as a pluspoint-you get to > >learn about how your computer actually works. > > > >Personally, I don't think Linux is quite ready for mass home use (as you do > >have to learn a bit about your computer), but perfect for servers and > >office use (since someone else would be setting it up). However, things are > >changing and the linux of today is miles easier than the linux of a year > >ago- and it will only get better! > > > >Ricardo > >-- > > > >Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org > > > > > >Powered by Outblaze > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Red Hat 7.2 newbie
by Linux Newbie 02 Apr '02

02 Apr '02

Hi , im a newbie to Linux and i heard you could run windows appz in Linux by using a Piece of software called Wine, I not sure if already have it on Redhat 7.2 so if any one could tell me where to find it i would be very greatful and if some one could give me information on how to install software then would be great too, Everytime i install RPM files i get a failed message so maybe im downloading the wrong drivers or wrong kernal verison,im new to linux so i dont know much about installing software, i know alittle about the Rpm -i command and thats all i know so any help to the above questions would be a bouns. Thanks linuxnewbie14(a)hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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Announce digest, Vol 1 #15 - 1 msg
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 02 Apr '02

02 Apr '02

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Anyone used Mindi ?
by bsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 01 Apr '02

01 Apr '02

Since upgrading my machine and operating system I have been trying to create a rescue disc set. My trusty old Tomsrtbt no longer works because it doesn't support my new SCSI adapter. I have just tried Mindi and after booting the first disc it stops with the following messages: inserting floppy driver for 2.2.20 unable to get major 2 for floppy inserting floppy driver for 2.2.20 unable to get major 2 for floppy inserting floppy driver for 2.2.20 unable to get major 2 for floppy inserting floppy driver for 2.2.20 unable to get major 2 for floppy mounting /tmp/tmpfs ... Fatal error! Failed. UPGRADE YOUR RAM! Please! Dude, your computer is dying of thirst over here .. I think that the second message is a consequence of the first and is not actually due to a lack of ram as this machine has 256MB. Could anyone please explain what the first four identical messages mean? I did, as required, build floppy support into the kernel together with ramdisc and initrd support. It would be reassuring to have a rescue disc of some sort once again. Barry Samuels

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 01 Apr '02

01 Apr '02

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.openprojects.net in the #alug channel, you can take a look at www.openprojects.net to get more info on the openprojects network. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server uk.openprojects.net" or "/server eu.openprojects.net" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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9" B&W Monitors
by John Seago 31 Mar '02

31 Mar '02

Does anyone know of a source for 9" Black and White Monitors, (as used on Tills)? John Seago

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Can anyone help with a KDE2/Debian 'Testing' error ?
by bsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 30 Mar '02

30 Mar '02

I have recently upgraded my Debian Potato system to 'Testing' and, as that includes KDE2, KDE1 has been upgraded to KDE2 (2.2.2-14). In trying to run some applications (only a few) I get the following message: relocation error: /usr/lib/libkdeui.so.3: undefined symbol: styleChange__8QTool It's always the same message with the same symbol. Does anyone know why this should happen? Barry Samuels

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New Member Info
by Leonard Chandler 30 Mar '02

30 Mar '02

I am a long retired person and began delving into computers in 1979 with a Tandy TSR1 - I then lived in Australia and wrote a programme in Basic to do the accounts for a garage I was running there. I used LDOS which was far superior to MSDOS 2.11 that I had to switch to when I bought an Apricot. I am not mad keen on either the ethics or practice of Mr Gates (nor that of Murdoch either) but I am aware that my efforts against them will make little difference. My first purchase of Linux was some 6 years ago (SuSE), the the second about 3 (Definite) and the third 2 months ago - SuSE again and, unlike those previous conversion efforts, I intend to make it this time. This email comes to you via the "auld enemy" because I have problems, but they will be overcome! I realize that for a while I might have to put up with using both systems, but I like the idea of choice, and not being dominated by the practices of one man. Kind Regards Leonard Chandler

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newbie question - getting the latest PHP 4 and MySQL for Suse 7.1
by David Eisenhart 29 Mar '02

29 Mar '02

I'm having problems figuring out how to get hold of suitable packages of the latest PHP and MySQL for Suse (7.1) Can't see anything obvious on the Suse site. If I simply go the PHP and MySQL sites for the downloads I figure this may mess up the Suse configurations for these applications, upset it's YAST package manager and generally blow up in my face (?) ...... On a different but related note I see a lot of stuff (such as RPMs, tutorials) that directly relates to Red Hat. Consequently, as a total novice I wondering whether I would be better off moving over to Red Hat ...ok, Suse was painless to install but I'm feeling somewhat paralysed now by not wanting to (at this stage at least) install from non-packaged sources. Regards, David

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Re: [Alug] new kernel install
by Ricardo Campos 29 Mar '02

29 Mar '02

You may find it useful to save a copy of the outputs of dmesg and lsmod before you install the new kernel- useful in choosing modules, etc. during the actual install, and useful for troubleshooting afterwards. Go ahead- it's not that scary! (hell, *I* managed it!) You can always switch back if things go awry! Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Linux in the community
by Ricardo Campos 27 Mar '02

27 Mar '02

Just saw a site that uses Linux to provide network functionality to a community based web server/ desktops etc. they also use hardware from skips and donations... http://access.lowtech.org/ I found their candid tech support notes interesting, in the sense of the problems found in using linux as a desktop OS on a LAN:- http://access.lowtech.org/tech/update/index.html Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Xv
by Ricardo Campos 26 Mar '02

26 Mar '02

> Try mplayer (www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/). It allows you to pipe frames to a > file. I managed to get a set of screenshots out of a DivX movie with it. I tried it before- I didn't really like it all that much, I forget the reason why. It's no matter, I just wanted to include a DVD playing on a screenshot as a sort of "this is what Linux can do" propoganda exercise to some friends! ;) Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Xv
by Ricardo Campos 26 Mar '02

26 Mar '02

Old thread: I asked whether it was possible to take a screenshot of a DVD using Ogle, and Xv, as most screenshot grabbers come up with a blue screen where the dvd display is:- > Yup, use import: > > /usr/bin/import -silent -display :0.0 -window root file.jpg > Import is part of imagemagick, Just checked, and that comes up with a blue screen too. :( -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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RE: [Alug] Meeting of the 24th March
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 26 Mar '02

26 Mar '02

On 24-Mar-02 John Seago wrote: > Where was everybody? I was at home impatiently waiting for my spouse to return from his bike ride so I could make the meeting, but by the time he did get back it was too late. Anyway, domestic sparks flew...... Apologies, Rob, and please don't be put off hosting another. It must have been just one of those days. Jenny. PS. I've left him picking up kids and cooking by way of reparation tonight so I can go to Richard Stallman, will anyone else be there?

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LISP/SCHEME?
by david casal 25 Mar '02

25 Mar '02

Hello all, Anyone know of a painless way to do LISP to SCHEME translation? Going through an old ai textbook (95...) where all code is LISP. I realise I could do it manually, but since I know there's at least one heavy schemer in ALUG (won't name mark, I mean names...), I thought there might be an emacs trick or something like that. Bear in mind newbie understanding of macros and issues involved, etc. Ideas? Cheers, DC david casal --0+ --- d.casal(a)uea.ac.uk --9+ --- www.ariada.uea.ac.uk/~dcasal --)+

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New Scientist Article
by Ian Bell 25 Mar '02

25 Mar '02

I was browsing in Safeways this morning when I came across an intersting article in New Scientist. It was about how the idea of Open Source software has started to spill over into other areas of commerce. An example given was Open Coke, a new brand of Cola for which the recipe is published under a licence similar the GPL. It also mentioned the OAL (Open Audio Licence) which is attempting to do something similar in the world of music. Ian

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Meeting of the 24th March
by John Seago 25 Mar '02

25 Mar '02

Where was everybody? I was there, John Atkinsonwas there, Two people from Bury St. Edmunds were there, (Iapologise for not having made a note of your names), and the host was there, (even Alison came after she had walked the dog). The venue was ideal, all the infrastructure to support everybodies toys, and yet the multitudes stayed away! -- John Seago () ascii ribbon campaign - against html mail /\ - against microsoft attachments

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 25 Mar '02

25 Mar '02

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.openprojects.net in the #alug channel, you can take a look at www.openprojects.net to get more info on the openprojects network. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server uk.openprojects.net" or "/server eu.openprojects.net" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Re: [Alug] intro..ing myself
by Matt Parker 24 Mar '02

24 Mar '02

On Sunday 24 March 2002 21:33, you wrote: > > Oh yeah, welcome aboard - even though I only joined the list last week. > > > > Matt > > cheers! When people say something might be difficult I usually don't try > unless absolutely necessary.Maybe I'll get one of those external modems > when I've got the dosh.I had a thought tho; I could download the things I > need on the this machine which > obviously does have a modem and transfer it to my box with Redmond on :) > I don't know what counts as on topic for this list but I guess I'll be told > if I'm too off.What I'd like to know is if there are any free IDE's for C > programming with Linux and secondly whether there's any good art progs > (especially ones where you get good control of palettes when in 8 bit > colour). > If I can get those (which I know is a fairly tall order) and DJGPP working > I'll be a happy linux user :) > thanks again and BTW, it's nice to be on a local list.Maybe I'll meet some > of you one day :) > Will The Gimp (http://www.gimp.org) is free, compatible with Photoshop, and is powerful enough for professional use. For free programming IDEs there are loads - these are what I use:- C/C++ - KDevelop (http://www.kdevelop.org) Java - NetBeans (http://www.netbeans.org) Delphi - Kylix (http://www.borland.com/kylix) There are loads more too. You'll soon get out of that Windows mindset where decent software costs more than �500. Also please hit "reply all" to include the mailing list, or just reply to the list. Your last e-mail to me didn't make it to the list when I'm sure it was meant to. Matt

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intro..ing myself
by William labbett 24 Mar '02

24 Mar '02

hello all I got a mail saying that I should write a mail saying why I'm interested in linux so here goes; I'm from Norwich, called William and am interested in linux because I use my computer a lot and so am keen to know about what OS' are out there.I use my computer for writing games, although I only started programming and using PC computer's since just before the new year (my last computer before this was a spectrum 128K, so obviously I'm having to learn a lot of new stuff). I found a linux mag with a free cd with Redmond on so I installed it.I won't be using this list much for some time until I've learnt a bit about Redmond.The trouble is I wasn't sure which modem option to choose during installation so I chose none, so I'm wondering if I can still install the modem now or if I'll need to re-install Redmond.The modem is Intel 56K HaM Data Fax Voice Modem I don't know what any of that means; I found out about it by checking (Windows was previously installed on the box it's in).If I can sort that out I be able to get the software I need and get started. Thanks for any help and sorry for asking such basic questions, Will

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Tomorrows's meeting
by John Woodard 23 Mar '02

23 Mar '02

Somethings come up which means I won't be able to come tomorrow. So have a good meeting and I'll catch youi all at the next one. -- Cheers, BJ

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Converting to ext3
by David Fairey 23 Mar '02

23 Mar '02

Hi I have recently been successful in upgrading my server to Debian unstable and converting some of my ext2 filesystems to ext3. However I haven't converted my "/" or "/boot" partitions as I am unsure that I can reboot successfully. My question then is, what's the best way of converting the "/" partition to ext3? Making sure I can get back in if it doesn't work. I am currently using the standard kernel-image-2.4.17-686-smp package which apparently uses a initrd.img file. Any ideas? Cheers David. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/2002

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(no subject)
by Declan 22 Mar '02

22 Mar '02

Hi, I know that this is a bit off topic for the list but I am hoping that you might be able to help me. I have set up a hosting company to do a bit of PHP and MySQL hosting. At the moment I am using worldpay to bill annually but I would like to be able to offer monthly billing. Other than iBill would anyone have any suggestions. I would appreciate if you could reply off list as well as on. I don't get the all the messages because it just takes so long to get them in. I would really appreciate any recomendations that anyone has. And if anyone is interested in swopping links then I would appreciate it. Thanks for your help in advance. Declan *********************************************** ** http://www.hostingcrown.com ** ** Budget and MySQL Hosting ** ** Contact us at info(a)hostingcrown.com ** *********************************************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards� http://movies.yahoo.com/

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Future metings at Cheveley cancelled...
by Simon 22 Mar '02

22 Mar '02

Hi Everyone, In case you haven't see the news today, Fittocks House burnt down last night, so obviously we won't be able to use this venue for some time.... Simon P.S. It'll be on Anglia News tonight...

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Re: (Now OT) [Alug] Alcatel USB speedtouch adsl modem
by Matt Parker 21 Mar '02

21 Mar '02

On Thursday 21 March 2002 19:51, you wrote: > Does anybody have any ideas? > > my box is a celeron 433, using a uhci USB chipset erm no other real > pertinent details, kernel 2.4.18 and Debian testing. > > Thanks > Adam > > "a funny thing about regret is, that it's better to regret > something you have done, than to regret something you haven't done" Sorry, can't help with your problem. But I love your sig. My usenet nick is Cowboy Bob so I guess you know why I picked up on it. Regards, Matt

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Re: [Alug] Alcatel USB speedtouch adsl modem
by MJ Ray 21 Mar '02

21 Mar '02

Adam: > The best I have got is 50% reply to pings from the ppp partner now, but no > outside connectivity. What I may need is different firmware though, there > appears to be at least 6 versions of which i have 2. That's very similar to the wrong HCI drivers problem I had on the other machine here. > AFAICS the ohci drivers should not work but i may give it a go in a while, > just we need the line up by this evening... so I may have to resort to > windows and proxy... There are two UHCI driver modules in the main kernel. -- MJR

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Alcatel USB speedtouch adsl modem
by Adam Bower 21 Mar '02

21 Mar '02

Hi all, I'm having a complete nightmare with this modem, I have grabbed the drivers from sourceforge, (both CVS and stable) followed the FAQ and built a 2.4.18 kernel with all the required option and still can't get the thing to work! I have visited the #speedtouch irc channel and found no-one willing to help and I'm getting to the stage of considering installing windows over all of the linux boxen around here! Anyhow the main problem stems from trying to run modem_run -v 2 -m -f mgmt.o (also tried with the -s option) and i can't get it to upload the firmware. The only real clue is in dmesg where i get these lines :- usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout usbdevfs: USBDEVFS_BULK failed dev 2 ep 0x85 len 512 ret -110 usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout usbdevfs: USBDEVFS_BULK failed dev 2 ep 0x5 len 991 ret -110 also with earlier version of modem_run (stable from sourceforge) I get this kind of output on the command line :- bagpuss:/usr/src/speedtouch-1_0# /usr/local/bin/modem_run -v 2 -m -f /usr/local/bin/mgmt.o -s Gotcha, I found your ADSL ALCATEL SpeedTouch USB modem! best offset 6463 with probability 87% best offset 532634 with probability 100% BLOCK1: Connection timed out Uploading /usr/local/bin/mgmt.o failed! Continuing anyway ... Reference : 3EC 18607GAAB 02(see under your modem box) modem_start_synchro:00 00 .. === modem state at Thu Mar 21 09:52:03 2002 === c0 12 0007 : 08 . c0 12 000b : 00 00 40 02 00 00 20 01 ..@... . c0 12 000d : 00 00 00 00 .... c0 01 000e : 00 . c0 01 000f : 00 . ADSL line is blocked? Does anybody have any ideas? my box is a celeron 433, using a uhci USB chipset erm no other real pertinent details, kernel 2.4.18 and Debian testing. Thanks Adam -- Adam "a funny thing about regret is, that it's better to regret something you have done, than to regret something you haven't done"

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Re: [Alug] Announce: ALUG meeting 24th March
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 20 Mar '02

20 Mar '02

> John Woodard <mail(a)johnwoodard.co.uk> wrote: > > Just a thought but should I forward this to the cam lug list? > > Yes, but someone known to their list might be better. Andrew Savory wrote: >Ok, I nominate MJ. They know and love him :-) *snicker* I'll do it if MJ would prefer to maintain an aloof distance?

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Port 5005
by Paul 20 Mar '02

20 Mar '02

Hi Folks I've been trying to get a distributed application working over a network. Most of the inter-process communications are handled by a low level server using the TCP/IP stack. For remote processes, communications use port 5005. Not being particularly clued up on low level networking, how do I enable this port ? Just throw an extra problem in, is there likely to be any problems communicating with a Windows box on this port ? Regards, Paul.

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Announce: ALUG meeting 24th March
by John Woodard 19 Mar '02

19 Mar '02

The next Anglian Linux Users Group meeting will be on Sunday 24th March 2002 2:00pm - 6:00pm at AT Veterinary Systems Elmtree Business Park Elmswell Bury St. Edmunds Location can be found at: http://www.vetsystems.com/contacts/location%20map.htm Host for the meeting will be Rob Tillyard mailto:rob@vetsystems.com Normal warnings apply kit is brought at your own risk please label it to avoid confusion. More details in the wiki contrib area http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?Elmswell%20for%20March%2024th. I'll post this to the various relevant usenet groups over the next couple of days. -- cheers, bj

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March 24th Meeting.
by John Seago 19 Mar '02

19 Mar '02

Directions and a Map would be very helpfull. I'm planning on being there, but I may be a little late as I think I have to shoot, (archery), a league match on that Sunday, but I should be able to manage to get there about 14.30 > 14.45. -- John Seago Change is not a synonym for `progress'.

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March 24th Meeting.
by Robert Tillyard 19 Mar '02

19 Mar '02

Are we all OK for a March 24th meeting at Elmswell? This will be my first so is there anything I need to provide or do? Rob.

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Re: [Alug] March 24th Meeting.
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 19 Mar '02

19 Mar '02

Robert Tillyard <rob(a)vetsystems.com> wrote: > Are we all OK for a March 24th meeting at Elmswell? This will be my > first so is there anything I need to provide or do? I just realised I probably can't make it, although I will try my utmost. (Don't let that stop you, though....!!!) Jen.

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Re: [Alug] Port 5005
by Paul 18 Mar '02

18 Mar '02

Hi Richard Perhaps "enabling the port" was the wrong phrase. I haver the server app running on one machine and it accepts local connections without any problems. When the remote client attempts to connect, the connection is refused on port 5005. There is no firewall, and system security is as lax as I know how to make it. It could be a bug in the server/client software, I'm just working through the various possibilties at the moment. Regards, Paul. On Monday 18 March 2002 23:04, Richard Kettlewell wrote: > There's no such concept as "enabling" a TCP port.

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 18 Mar '02

18 Mar '02

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.openprojects.net in the #alug channel, you can take a look at www.openprojects.net to get more info on the openprojects network. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server uk.openprojects.net" or "/server eu.openprojects.net" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Why won't RH 7.2 mount my CD?
by Andrew Wallis 17 Mar '02

17 Mar '02

Hi! I'm another newbie (to ALUG not Linux) and here I go starting with a plea for help! I've just updated one of my machines which previously ran RH 5.X then 6.0 to RH 7.3. Well, actually, I didn't update - as always I cleaned the disk right down, low-level formatted, re-partitioned and did a completely new installation. Most things run fine BUT I can't seem to mount a CD. I know there's nothing wrong with the drive because I did the installation from it! Here's the dirt: ####################################### [andrew.wallis]# cat /etc/fstab LABEL=/ / ext3 defaults 1 1 LABEL=/boot /boot ext3 defaults 1 2 none /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 LABEL=/home /home ext3 defaults 1 2 none /proc proc defaults 0 0 none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 LABEL=/tmp /tmp ext3 defaults 1 2 LABEL=/usr /usr ext3 defaults 1 2 LABEL=/usr/local /usr/local ext3 defaults 1 2 LABEL=/usr/src /usr/src ext3 defaults 1 2 LABEL=/var /var ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/sda3 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom iso9660 noauto,user,kudzu,ro 0 0 /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto noauto,user,kudzu 0 0 [root@vulpes]# mount /mnt/cdrom mount: /dev/cdrom: unknown device [root@vulpes]# ls -l /dev/cdrom /dev/scd0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Mar 5 19:15 /dev/cdrom -> /dev/scd0 [root@vulpes]# ls -l /dev/cdrom /dev/scd0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Mar 5 19:15 /dev/cdrom -> /dev/scd0 brw------- 1 andrew.w disk 11, 0 Aug 30 2001 /dev/scd0 [root@vulpes]# cat /proc/scsi/scsi Attached devices: Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 Vendor: IBM Model: DGVS09U Rev: 03B0 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 03 Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 03 Lun: 00 Vendor: PLEXTOR Model: CD-ROM PX-32TS Rev: 1.02 Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 05 Lun: 00 Vendor: SONY Model: SDT-9000 Rev: 0123 Type: Sequential-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 ####################################### So you can see that the system seems to know the device is there but the /dev/scd0 device (11, 0) doesn't seem to be able to access it. I'm embarrassed to admit that I'm flummoxed. Any suggestions, please? Regards Andrew Wallis St Cross South Elmham HARLESTON

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My Turn For An Intro
by Matt Parker 16 Mar '02

16 Mar '02

Hi, Well, finally got round to subscribing. Been using Linux since RedHat 6.2, but my distro of choice at the moment is Mandrake. My name is Matt Parker (though on Usenet I'm known as Cowboy Bob - don't ask unless you're into a certain US post-punk band with an infamous name - if you are then you already know!!). I work as a Senior Java Developer at a company that makes software for the advertising industry in Diss, Norfolk - though I live in Norwich. I did my stint at the UEA doing my Comp Sci masters thesis with active shape models as part of the, now famous, VisiCast project. At work I develop on Solaris, so together with that and my couple of years Linux experience I hope I can help some of the newbies out and maybe learn a thing or two for the "old" masters. Matt

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Re Welcome to ALUG
by Colin Davis 15 Mar '02

15 Mar '02

Thank you for your welcome mail, in fact since i joined i have been supprised by the activity. This being the first mailing list i have joined. Whilst not completely to new to computing i started playing around with the Acorn Electron ( perhaps a blast from the past). Then came a break for a few years. i started again in 1994 and have been using the dare i say it, the microsoft system. I had read a lot about Linux and started to get a hankering to try it out. My son who had recently installed Linux on his computer, The Mandrake 7.1 variation. Gave me a copy as a present. Due to pressure of work i have not yet had time to get really into it although i have read and purchased a number of books on elementary Linux. I could not hack it in 24 Hours as the title of one book suggested. Here i am a newboy or not so new really, wishing to learn something about the system. Without pushing my luck on the length of correspondence allowed could one of you learned gentlemen help. My system recently got its knickers in a twist so i decided to format the hard drive and start again, something i have done in the past. What is did not even think about at the time was that i would lose contact with my Linux partition. The system was dual booted via GRUB so i could either go into Windows or Linux. Now i can only get into windows which is not what i want. How can i format all of my hard drive and repartition the drive to enable me to reinstall Linux. Colin Davis

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richard stallman thing
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 15 Mar '02

15 Mar '02

Sorry if it has been mentioned in a post and I've missed it, but is anyone going to this? http://www.fipr.org/stallman.html Jen.

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Richard Stallman in Cambridge
by mtm＠sys.uea.ac.uk 15 Mar '02

15 Mar '02

Just saw that Richard Stallman is going to be in Cambridge next Monday afternoon (25th) to give a talk about software patents. I'm sure it'll be of interest to people on this list who can make it. htto://www.fipr.org/stallman.html -- >==============================================================< Michael Morton | Cthulhu loves me, this I know. School of Information | In my dreams he tells me so, Systems, University | And when the stars are finally right, of East Anglia, Norwich | He will give you such a fright. >==============================================================<

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Problem with linux mandrake 8.1 box on boot
by Ashley ＠ Turton 15 Mar '02

15 Mar '02

Hope someone can advise on the following. I went to boot one of our linux mandrake 8.1 boxes today and received the following error messages: Loading reiserfs module Mounting /proc filesyste, Creating root device Mounting root filesystem hda5: bad access: block=128 count=2 end_request: I/O error, dev 03:05 (hda), sector 128 read_super_block: unable to read superblock on dev 03:05 read_old_super_block: try to find super block in old location hda5: bad access: block=16, count=8 end_request: I/O error, dev 03:05 (hda), sector 16 read_old_super_block: unable to read superblock on dev 03:05 mount: error 22 mounting reiserfs flags Freeing unused kernel memory: 708k freed Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel I appears the partition hda5 has become corrupt somehow. Is there a way to repair it without reinstalling. I am keen to get the files of the partition if possible. Ashley

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Re: [Alug] backup puzzle
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 14 Mar '02

14 Mar '02

>> Just a thought, in a cron job, where does stdout go and can it fill up??? >> Chris Allen wrote: >Usually defaults to /var/log/messages. Maybe you'll see an error there. >You might want to change it to: >tar -cvzf $OF /var/www/ /home/cvs > /tmp/some_logfile 2>&1 Interesting! There is a series of log files started called panic, which list a panic because exim.conf file can't be opened, each time at exactly when my backup is set to run. I haven't yet got exim set up correctly running and haven't had time to look at it. I've done the above to trap the error messages that can't get through. I'll keep you posted on the breathtaking results. (I assume that if the logfile doesn't exist it will be created? And I'll just blindly trust you on the "2>&1" thing.....) Thanks! Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] jre for debian
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 14 Mar '02

14 Mar '02

Another quick Q on this, if I may?: Can I add this to an apt-sources list that is currently pointing to testing? Andrew savory wrote: ># - jdk >deb http://www.mirror.ac.uk/sites/ftp.blackdown.org/java-linux/debian potato non-free > >Then apt-get update and apt-get install j2sdk1.3 or j2re1.3 depending on >whether you want the developer kit or just the runtime. Thanks, Jenny

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Re: [Alug] Problem with linux mandrake 8.1 box on boot
by Ricardo Campos 14 Mar '02

14 Mar '02

> hda5: bad access: block=128 count=2 > end_request: I/O error, dev 03:05 (hda), sector 128 > read_super_block: unable to read superblock on dev 03:05 > read_old_super_block: try to find super block in old location > hda5: bad access: block=16, count=8 > end_request: I/O error, dev 03:05 (hda), sector 16 > read_old_super_block: unable to read superblock on dev 03:05 > mount: error 22 mounting reiserfs flags Are you sure it's meant to be on hda5? Other than that, this says to me that there is something to do with ReiserFS (i.e. it messed up the unmounting)- hence why ME can boot and linux cannot. perhaps boot onto a gnu floppy like Tomsrtbt http://www.toms.net/rb/ and fsck hda5, although I'm not sure if it supports reiserfs, since I do not use Reiserfs myself. Ok, so it's a stab in the dark.... Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] jre for debian
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 14 Mar '02

14 Mar '02

Andrew Savory wrote: >vi /etc/apt/sources.list and add: > > ># - jdk >deb http://www.mirror.ac.uk/sites/ftp.blackdown.org/java-linux/debian potato non-free > >Then apt-get update and apt-get install j2sdk1.3 or j2re1.3 depending on >whether you want the developer kit or just the runtime. That's brilliant, thanks! I wonder if the alug website would benefit from a list of similar type links to add to apt sources for debian users? Jenny.

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jre for debian
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 14 Mar '02

14 Mar '02

Hello list, Before i go to the bother of downloading this java runtime environment j2re-1_3_1_02-linux-i386.bin and installing it, can anyone tell me if there is a handy equivalent debian package ready to just rock 'n' roll? The wealth of possibilities in the packages has confused me somewhat. Thanks, Jenny.

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(no subject)
by tom potts 14 Mar '02

14 Mar '02

Hi, Im trying to get an Accura ISDN Terminal Adapter (external/serial port) functioning with RH7.2. Any tips/drivers anyone? Cheers Tom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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Help needed to compile a C app.
by Paul 13 Mar '02

13 Mar '02

Hi Folks I'm fast running out of time trying to get a bunch of stuff ready for a conference in about six weeks time. In an attempt to convert a group of M$ devotees to the wonderfull world of penguins, I have hit a brick wall. I have a C/C++ application that I have been told will compile and run in a Microsoft environment - Whilst I can compile and test it under Linux, I don't have the tools for MS. Is there anyone in Norwich willing to attempt a compile for a W95 platform ? I have all the sources on a CD along with Tcl/Tk for the GUI frontend. I know it's a bit like asking CAMRA to drink larger.... Regards, Paul.

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Re: [Alug] backup puzzle
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 13 Mar '02

13 Mar '02

Chris Allen wrote: >On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 10:29:43AM +0000, Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com wrote: >> >> >> Interesting! There is a series of log files started called panic, which >> list a panic because exim.conf file can't be opened, each time at exactly >> when my backup is set to run. > > >It could well be that this is cancelling the entire cron job including >your backup. Yes. Excellent. Having somewhere for the 'v' option to send the output to has made the cron task happy. (As in >tar -cvzf $OF /var/www/ /home/cvs > /tmp/some_logfile 2>&1) I guess I had two ways of mending this then, what I did which was to give a file for the v output to go to, or remove the 'v' option, as someone else suggested. Now to the task of finding how to do a rotating cron thing that deletes the backup files when they are more than a week old, and my box backs up using a simple file at no cost. Unspoken dig at the extremely expensive backup software our ntserver runs. But it does have a *lovely* gui. (sarcasm intended). Thanks to all for help. Jenny.

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Mandrake financial status
by Ian Thompson-Bell 12 Mar '02

12 Mar '02

I just received an email from Mandrake saying they are in financial difficulties. They seem to be desparately asking people to sign up to the Mandrake Club a $5 a month. -- Ian

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Announce digest, Vol 1 #14 - 1 msg
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 12 Mar '02

12 Mar '02

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Xv
by Ricardo Campos 12 Mar '02

12 Mar '02

This may be a little silly but- anyone know how to take a screenshot of a desktop that has an Xv application (i.e. Ogle) playing on it? As Xv runs ontop of the desktop, you just get a blue screen normally. Minor problem, but annoying. ;) Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Linux Web awards
by Ricardo Campos 12 Mar '02

12 Mar '02

Linux Format did a poll to see what their readers felt were the best internet applications. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15903 Just thought you might be interested! Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Announcing a new subscriber
by peter.salmon＠ipswich.gov.uk 12 Mar '02

12 Mar '02

Dear penguinophiles, I have just subscribed to ALUG. I have been burrowing at Ipswich for less than three years after heady life in the City and academia (a kind of nut). I may not count as a true linutter as I support but three Linux servers which are RedHat 6.2 amidst a seething mass of Unix and M$NT but I am actively promoting the obvious & self evident advantages of Linux from within. I have successfully migrated a couple of Informix database systems and over 150 users from unix to linux and use Samba to seamlessly link & transfer data to and from M$NT servers and mainframe (ICL Trimetra). I am about to attempt installing Samba on a SCO unix server. I have just started a new project to create a linux based database system with web browser form access. Unfortunately the rapid and reliable linux server will be clamped to an ISS Web server servicing the users. Most of the difficulties I've experienced in implementation have taken much web searching and experimentation to resolve. There is an awful lot of information available but rarely an answer specific to my proble. Still I've learned a lot in experimenting and am willing to throw in my thruppenceworth if I can help. Regards, Peter Salmon Ipswich Borough Council Information Technology Room 1005 Civic Centre Civic Drive Ipswich Suffolk IP1 2EE United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0)1473 433220 (Direct) Fax: +44 (0)1473 433898 Email: peter.salmon(a)ipswich.gov.uk Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.

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