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[Alug]Debian on Steroids?: Libranet 2.7
by Keith Watson 19 May '03

19 May '03

Just read a review of Libranet 2.7 <http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6358>. Has anyone here tried it? Keith ____________ Say nothing and saw wood. Vermont Saying

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[Alug]Beginner's problems
by Peter Lumb 19 May '03

19 May '03

Hello everyone for the first time. My reason for joining is that I have been a Microsoft user for many years and, prior to that, I built my own computers even before Clive Sinclair brought out the ZX80! Linux at first sight looks more interesting than Windows though it appears to be more complicated to get started. Hence my first question. The way I start an internet connection is to open Mozilla , press the configure network icon and press activate. The connection is made but there is no indication of what is happening as there is with Explorer. I therefore have no idea if and when the connection is made. Sound output is connected to another device so I cannot hear any tones. Must I disconnect this and rely on sound to know what is going on or is there another way? I thought I had found the answer with modem lights. I have the icon on the panel but cannot make it do anything. Any suggestions? You asked for the sort of problems beginners have so here is mine. Peter

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[Alug]SCO's code is where then?
by Neil Marjoram 19 May '03

19 May '03

Does anyone know where the phantom SCO source code is in linux then? Of course we all know it's micro$oft that is pushing this, they need a legit legal way to stop linux before they get pushed out by superior code. Neil. -- Neil Marjoram <n.marjoram(a)vam.ac.uk> Victoria & Albert Museum

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[Alug]Microsoft to license Unix Code
by Craig 19 May '03

19 May '03

http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-1007528.html?tag=fd_top -- (o_ - Craig Butcher //\ - IT Technician / Unix Support MTH/ENV @ UEA V_/_ - http://www.wizball.co.uk

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[Alug]Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 19 May '03

19 May '03

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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[Alug]syleham
by jenny 18 May '03

18 May '03

Hullo, still intending to come to Syleham but will be pretty late. Jen

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[Alug]Network Cables
by Jamie French 18 May '03

18 May '03

Hi Guys, Hope this OK, I have about 110 1m > 1.5m CAT5 patch cables all branded Alcatel up for grabs. They have been used, though in good condition. Basically name your price and buyer collects. I have some more goodies later on :) Take Care, Jamie

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[Alug]Norwich evening meeting for June
by Syd Hancock 17 May '03

17 May '03

Preliminary announcement: I am suggesting that the Norwich evening meets take place regularly on the third thursday of each month at 8pm. Therefore, the next meet would be on June 19th. I am going to try and find a venue where we can set up gear as well as be comfortable and get coffee, beer etc (such as the British Legion Hall - but there may be somewhere more central). If not then the Forum will be OK I think. Any comments? Syd

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[Alug]Samba problem .. any gurus out there?
by Tony Dietrich 17 May '03

17 May '03

I've just used webmin to set up a Samba share to test some users' MSWin98 machines that need to be able to use a server share The server seems to start normally, but .... 1/ When running (on the same machine as the Samba server) [root@***** samba]# smbclient -L server -W TRANSOFT -N added interface ip=192.168.0.1 bcast=192.168.0.255 nmask=255.255.255.0 session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE 2/ Any attempt to connect to the Samba server by mapping a drive(f: => \\gate\homes ) on the Win98 machine from Network Neighbourhood results in an Error 'Invalid Password'...... All systems running Win98 are set to the same workgroup, normal network connectivity is fine, the Samba server is set to the *same* workgroup, and shares on the network can actually see each other ... just not the server shares. -- Tony Dietrich Transoft Computer Consultants 07769710115

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[Alug]Internet connection sharing
by Ben Francis 17 May '03

17 May '03

I have a redhat box here at home with no XWindows running. When I installed redhat it could pretty much automatically connect to my dialup internet connection through my Microsoft Internet Connection Sharing across my home LAN as soon as I plugged it into my hub, I don't know how it does this. I mainly use the box to ssh coonect to other linux shells across the internet. However, about 1 in 3 boots on the redhat box result in the message "Temporary failure in name resolution" when I attempt to ssh connect. The only way I've been able to find to get it to see the internet is to reboot it. Surely there' must be an easy way of showing it where the internet connection is without having to reboot! I would set up the internet dialup on the linux box and connect the three XP boxes in the house to it, but I only have a winmodem and as I'm hopefully getting broadband soon it's not really worth the hastle. While I mention broadband, a slightly off topic question. My local telphone exchange gets ADSL enabled on June 4th but in a couple of months a local company starts "trials" of WiFi internet access based on 802.11g with at least a 10 meg connection for around the same price as ADSL! Do you think I should go for ADSL or wait and risk connecting to the fast, but new service which could be unreliable? I'd like to get a short term ADSL contract until I see how the service pans out, but I can't afford the hardware for both as I want to use a router or an access point for my network, not an ADSL "modem" or Wireless Card. What do you think? Regards Ben Francis

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[Alug]Re: main digest, Vol 2 #139 - 18 msgs
by David Cartwright 16 May '03

16 May '03

>Ok: wrt ADSL and static IP addresses: true enough (unless you can find a >cable provider that does static, I'm not aware of any), but anything that >*requires* static IP probably shouldn't be on the end of an ADSL line >anyway. There are plenty of dynamic dns services out there, which resolve >this particular problem neatly. Oh, I dunno. ADSL is stable enough to host things like secondary DNSs, secondary mail servers and that kind of thing. This gives me the ability to have secondary services of this type that I own and control without the need to pay expensive hosting charges. Mine has been up for months and seems extremely stable (he says, tempting fate :-). On the dynamic DNS front, it can be a pain if (for instance) you want the firewall in your main hosting centre to trust connections coming from your home office, but your IP address keeps changing. This said, there are solutions to this problem, such as using VPN connectivity instead of trust arrangements (which adds the benefit of encryption, of course). D.

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[Alug]re: costs
by w0037109 16 May '03

16 May '03

Back to costs again! A couple of people asked me where to go to get the free jiffy bags and coasters, so rather than reply individually, I'm posting it via the group. As you may know, technet costs a bit, but if you take the time and effort to apply for the stuff yourself, you can have a constant flow of jiffy bags! http://www.microsoft.com/uk/technet/preview/evaluation.asp If that stops working ('cos it moves occasionally so people don't keep bookmarking it) use the left navigation bar on the microsoft.co.uk site and goto the menu marked product families > windows > product overview. On the right hand side is a "windows XP business Evaluation pack" which takes you to tech net site (odd that) and there is an "additional resources" menu on the right. Click "order trial products" and you're away! Tim Neobard ------------- w0037109 SYS3 MSN:fallscrape@hotmail.com ICQ:63488574 Tel:01603 492495 http://www.far2much.info

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Re: [Alug]Re: Welcome to the "main" mailing list
by Andybenn＠aol.com 16 May '03

16 May '03

My two-pennyth - << If this were a normal tax, paid for the general good of the country, it would fund all the materials for education, wouldn't it? Or are we just using taxes to redistribute intellectual property? >> Taxes are a gift to the government! Once we are parted from our money we should, in the spirit of all gifts, be prepared to say goodbye to it forever ;-) Andy

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[Alug]re: costs
by w0037109 16 May '03

16 May '03

well, if you want to save a bit of cash I can tell you where to get free padded envelopes from the enemy! It's easy. Just goto the Microsoft website, and sign up for their free CD trials. A few days later you begin to receive packages in nice well padded A4 white envelopes. I have funded my ebay sellings to date through this practice so I can offer cheap P&P This method maybe a little off-hand, but still extremely handy to know... plus you get some nice looking holographic coasters & we're slowly bringing down the company... mwahah, mwahahahahh, mwahahahaahahhah (continues evil laughter) :- ) Tim Neobard ------------- w0037109 SYS3 MSN:fallscrape@hotmail.com ICQ:63488574 Tel:01603 492495 http://www.far2much.info

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[Alug]Re: Welcome to the "main" mailing list
by Andybenn＠aol.com 16 May '03

16 May '03

I am interested in Linux as I no longer wish to be fleeced by MS into constantly upgrading (unnecessarily, IMO) their expensive software. I welcome and endorse the idea of freedom of choice in computing (and anything else) and find myself fully allied to the Linux ideals. The internet has enabled like-minded people to communicate with each other no matter where in the world they are - and amazing things can happen when people get together in a spirit of co-operation. Linux is a superb example what a community can achieve. And all done in with wonderful open-handed generosity. Andrew Benn +44 (0)7798 526962 +44 (0)1263 761133

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RE: [Alug]Internet connection sharing
by Adam Bower 16 May '03

16 May '03

> From: Andrew Savory [mailto:lists@andrewsavory.com] > I'd hang out for the wireless broadband. From my experience, ADSL is > bottom of the league table very slightly above 56k modem, > with wireless at > the top followed by cable modem. I disagree with this entirely :) I would put ADSL at the top as you can run servers and get static ip addresses, no port blocking etc, etc, and place cable modems and wireless far behind ADSL depending on what you dislike less (i.e. ntl and transparent webcaches (yuk), and wireless being unreliable in certain conditions but you can get static ips from some of the services and run servers) Adam

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[Alug]Routers
by BenE 15 May '03

15 May '03

My exchange is about to be converted to broadband (yes!) and I've been advised that getting a router would be the easiest way of getting it to work with linux. In the estemed ALUG's opinion, is this so? The cost isn't really a problem, but I'm concerned about configuration (if any is needed. My knowledge of networks stops at being able to explain what a token ring is...and I have to use 'lord of the flies' as an example) thanks, BenE

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Re: [Alug]Internet connection sharing
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 15 May '03

15 May '03

Ben Francis wrote: >...However, about 1 in 3 boots on the redhat box result in the message >"Temporary failure in name resolution" when I attempt to ssh connect. The >only way I've been able to find to get it to see the internet is to reboot >it. Surely there' must be an easy way of showing it where the internet >connection is without having to reboot! Your redhat box should have the hosts-ip name resolutions in your /etc/hosts file, so if you type ssh zxr400 it will look for an entry zxr400 234.567.898.765 (for example) presuming the linux boxes you ssh to are on fixed IP addresses. Or do you mean that it is the actual internet connection you lose? Have you checked that your redhat box has the windows with the modem as its gateway? On debian this info is in a file /etc/network/interfaces. Or do you mean that you type, e.g. ssh www.google.com and the name can't be resolved, in which case you may need to add some name servers to your /etc/resolv.conf file on your redhat box? I may have misunderstood your problem. >I would set up the internet dialup on the linux box and connect the three XP >boxes in the house to it, but I only have a winmodem......... :-) My favourite subject.... Have you checked it on http://www.linmodems.org site? Jen

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[Alug]CD's
by John Seago 15 May '03

15 May '03

OK, OK, I give in donation toward whatever on Sunday! -- John Seago

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RE: [Alug]Costs
by Adam Bower 15 May '03

15 May '03

> as one who no longer neeeds to seek paid employment, I can > see no reason > why you should bear the cost of producing and posting CD's to > me, for me > to pass on in the hope of evangelical success for free > software. I'll pay > your production costs, or John's, I would like the latest > edition though. At the end of the day it is probably more costly to arrange me getting cash for doing these CDs than just doing them. If I do send people a CD in future I think I may ask that they make an donation to a charity or something. A spindle of blank CD-Rs is so cheap now (works out to about 20p a disc, and you can get some as cheap as 10p a disc if you get overprinted discs) and if i post them it costs 42p to send 3CDs, that you are looking at a cost of around a quid to send the bits of Debian testing that people need(I recycle envelopes to send them out to people so they are free) and I do this so infrequently its not worth sorting out the cash. So from now on if i send people CDs then they can give a small donation to a local charity instead. If I end up doing lots of CDs then I will reconsider this point in the future. Adam

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[Alug]Costs
by John Seago 15 May '03

15 May '03

Adam, as one who no longer neeeds to seek paid employment, I can see no reason why you should bear the cost of producing and posting CD's to me, for me to pass on in the hope of evangelical success for free software. I'll pay your production costs, or John's, I would like the latest edition though. -- John Seago

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[Alug]Knoppix CD
by John 14 May '03

14 May '03

Adam Bower, on the 9th of May, wrote: > Oh and if people want Debian testing CDs (or stable) or Knoppix let me > know. I'd like a Knoppix CD for someone I trying to convert, who, as he uses a work provided laptop can't repartition and insert OS of choice. Will you be at Syleham on Sunday? Would it be easier for you to post the CD? Please let me know the costs and I can send/bring you a cheque. -- John Seago

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Re: [Alug]Introduction of GNU/Linux to Bourne School
by Ben Francis 14 May '03

14 May '03

Thanks for all the advice everyone. Mr. C is downloading Knoppix to give it a try but it looks like we might be using RedHat for workstations and put a little bit of effort to get Debian installed for servers. We're also looking into other pieces of software mentioned that could be useful. The machines we'll be installing on are all pretty much identical, maybe a different chipset here and there so once we get one working the others shouldn't be too difficult. There's been a few individual offers of help which I'm sure we'll be taking up as we're bound to come stuck at some point. Now if you'll excuse me while I start to make my banners saying "Microsoft Free Zone" and some giant penguins to decorate the walls with! The machines that we want to install on should become available around June/July time, so watch this space! Plus I hope to make it to some LUG meetings after my exams. Thanks again Ben Francis

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[Alug]Sundays meeting who's comming then?
by John Woodard 14 May '03

14 May '03

So far it looks like its just me on Sunday for the meeting! So I'll take my copy of Unix for BO sufferers and a flask of sad and lonely juice and sit there bored then. :-) Come on reveal your self to the ALUG masses if you plan to come. If you're not planning to come change your mind, you just might get to hear one of MJR's excellent talks! 2:00 - 6:00 at Syleham Village Hall http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2003/meeting6.html Cheers, BJ

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[Alug]Introduction of GNU/Linux to Bourne School
by Ben Francis 14 May '03

14 May '03

Dear LUGers I'm been on the ALUG and PLUG mailing lists for some time now (watching and listening) and I'm a sixth form student at Bourne Grammar School. The school is seriously considering setting up a room of around 10 dedicated linux machines in our IT suite which will be a welcome addition to our current NT/2000 network of around 200 PCs. The Director, Mr C. has tried to install Debian at home but has come across the same problems as I did, both of us being newbies to GNU/Linux. We've set up one box in the school with Redhat 8.0 which worked fine and can see the network, but at the moment is sitting there doing nothing (mainly due to my exams). The primary aim is to introduce Open Source to the school on some old 233Mhz PIIs that will be available to use when we (eventually) get a new batch of PCs before the end of the academic year. But if we're going to be able to justify removing the "friendly world of microsoft" from an entire IT room the machines will have to be usable by everyone in the school for at least some things. They'll ideally need to access their existing Windows home directories, shared printers etc. and at the least be able to use them for word processing with Open Office and web browsing. We're also looking at the possibility of using GNU/Linux for file servers, print servers or even an internal web server running Apache (so I can do PHP programming! yey!) We're still looking at lots of different distros but it's currently looking like we'll either be going for RedHat or Debian. I'm open to either but really want to get to know Debian which seems the geekier of the two :-) Firstly I was considering buying a book, either for me or through the school to get me/us started, and wondered if you had any recommendations. I liked the look of "Learning Debian GNU/Linux" [http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1565927052/qid%3D1052832905/026-24 92735-5301226] but the reviews on Amazon seem rather negative. It comes with and is written for Debian 2.1 - should we be using Debian 3.0? Secondly I'd like to ask if anyone in either ALUG or PLUG would be willing to give us any help. We'd LOVE to have someone come in and help us out and if someone would be willing to do a workshop style session for a group of students on either how to install Linux or the basics of using it that could also be an option. There's always the possibility of trying to arrange holding an actual LUG meeting with the school as the venue (?), I've seen requests for a LUG meeting in Bourne on the lists before.- (At school, we have power sockets, a LAN and a dedicated 2 meg internet connection to play with. And round the corner from a few pubs if you are so inclined, what more could we ask for?) If I can prove that Linux can easily be set up to run side by side with our Micro$oft dominated network with no real problems, then there's a real possibility of the Linux liberation to spread to other parts of the school, and in the longrun saving the school a LOT of money on software licences. I'm open to any ideas and support in my quest for Open Source in school would be greatly appreciated! Regards Ben "tola" Francis PS. thanks for reading my novel length email! hippygeek.co.uk - me bourne-grammar.lincs.sch.uk -school imen.org.uk -us tolagrafix.co.uk -work ---there is no spoon---

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[Alug]Automatic Log-out Program
by Dan Hatton 13 May '03

13 May '03

I'd like to know the name of a program that is to u?xterm as autolog is to virtual terminal, i.e. that listens for key-presses, and closes the u?xterm if there are none for just over two hours.� It's annoying me by closing my uxterms in the middle of large (ftp)|(smtp)|(apt) transactions, and I can't stop it running without knowing what it's called. Any suggestions, please? -- Ta Dan Hatton <http://www.bib.hatton.btinternet.co.uk/dan/>

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Re: [Alug]Routers
by me＠davidfairey.org.uk 12 May '03

12 May '03

> You should look carefully at the different ISPs before jumping in, as not > all are created equal. Start with http://www.adslguide.org. Avoid anyone > who wants you to sign up for a year, and (this is an opinion) anyone who > insists on bundling a USB modem. Consider going with someone who offers > fixed IP addresses; it doesn\'t have to cost more and you can plonk down a > public server anytime you like. Go for a \'wires only\' service, though there > is an advantage in getting the router from your ISP; they\'re more likely to > talk to you when things go wrong (as they do). I would suggest Andrews&Arnold (www.aaisp.net) for they do support Linux users and supply a number of fixed IP addresses free of charge. Although they are more expensive. They also sell routers which AFAIK come automatically configured for your connection. D.

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Re: [Alug]Sundays meeting who's comming then?
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 12 May '03

12 May '03

>So I'll take my copy of Unix for BO sufferers and a flask of sad and lonely >juice and sit there bored then. :-) Hey, just cause you'll be sad and lonely doesn' t mean your poor juice has to be too ;-) I've got a new bike so can't wait to ride it over your way - depends if I'm going to see my folks or not though this weekend. Jenny (ZXR400, in response to everyone's unbridled curiosity ;-))

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Re: RE: [Alug]Sundays meeting who's comming then?
by jamie.french＠talk21.com 12 May '03

12 May '03

I should be there, though still awaiting for my pass to be signed by the wife :) Any topics for this meeting? Take Care, Jamie > > From: John Woodard [mailto:mail@johnwoodard.co.uk] > > So far it looks like its just me on Sunday for the meeting! > >I /should/ be there, but am going to be busy the day before at the AFFSAC >(<a Target='_new' Href='http://talk21.btopenworld.com/redirect.html?http://www.affs.org.uk/)'>http://www.affs.org.uk/)</a> so /may/ not make it. > >Adam > >_______________________________________________ >main(a)lists.alug.org.uk ><a Target='_new' Href='http://talk21.btopenworld.com/redirect.html?http://www.alug.org.uk/'>http://www.alug.org.uk/</a> ><a Target='_new' Href='http://talk21.btopenworld.com/redirect.html?http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailma…'>http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main</a> >Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! Best Regards, Jamie French -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com

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RE: [Alug]Sundays meeting who's comming then?
by Adam Bower 12 May '03

12 May '03

> From: John Woodard [mailto:mail@johnwoodard.co.uk] > So far it looks like its just me on Sunday for the meeting! I /should/ be there, but am going to be busy the day before at the AFFSAC (http://www.affs.org.uk/) so /may/ not make it. Adam

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[Alug]Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 12 May '03

12 May '03

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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[Alug]FW: Penguicon
by Keith Watson 11 May '03

11 May '03

From: Andy Potter; > > Keith, > > I thought this might appeal to you: http://penguicon.sourceforge.net/ > > Andy > One of my colleagues sent me this link and I thought it would be of interest to the list :o) Keith ____________ CONSULT, v.i. To seek another's disapproval of a course already decided on. Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary

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RE: [Alug]Routers
by Adam Bower 10 May '03

10 May '03

> From: me(a)davidfairey.org.uk [mailto:me@davidfairey.org.uk] > I would suggest Andrews&Arnold (www.aaisp.net) for they do support > Linux users and supply a number of fixed IP addresses free of charge. > Although they are more expensive. They also sell routers which AFAIK > come automatically configured for your connection. They also charge a fairly hefty connection fee but the good sides are they made BT fix our phone line that was not suitable for ADSL (BT said we could never have adsl as we were too far from the exchange and other lies), replied to my one and only tech query in record time (i.e. out of hours!) and setup the reverse DNS I asked for about 2 minutes afterwards, gave me an ipv6 connection along with the ipv4, got us online in 3 days (from initial order to connection!), support linux (and any OS you like if it has an tcp/ip stack and can connect to adsl then they will endeavor to help you out), they also gave us a useful setup book with all of our connection details in which will be most useful when something goes wrong and we can't remember our password or server names or something. In all, I can't fault them. This is definetly a case of "you get what you pay for" I will definetly be buying adsl connection services from them in the future. Adam

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[Alug]could Barry Samuels please mail me his address?!
by Adam Bower 09 May '03

09 May '03

Sorry about the spam but I can't get hold of him directly and I have his Debian CDs sitting here, unfortunatly I have lost his address! Oh and if people want Debian testing CDs (or stable) or Knoppix let me know. Thanks Adam -- jabberid = quinophex(a)jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem

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[Alug]Announce: ALUG 2003.6 Meeting 18th May @ Syleham
by John Woodard 08 May '03

08 May '03

Next meeting: Syleham Village Hall Sunday 18th 2:00pm - 6:00pm Venue details: http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/syleham.html If you are coming please add your name to the list with any help requests. Normal disclaimers apply, any kit you bring is your responsibility, it's a good idea to mark it to avoid confusion. I will be hosting as per usual at Syleham. This venue charges us a small fee so we will do the normal whip round to cover the cost. The bar will be open from 1:00pm for anyone who fancies a pre-meeting drink while putting up tables etc. Please add your name and any details you think relevant to the list on the wiki page at http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?May%2018th. I will announce to relevant newsgroups, if anybody is on the CAMLUG list can you post it there please or any other lists you think might be appropriate. Cheers, BJ

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RE: [Alug]HP scanner 5300C
by Adam Bower 07 May '03

07 May '03

> From: F J Brooks [mailto:fred@redgrave.screaming.net] > I am a complete newbie and have recently installed SuSE 8.1. > Has anyone been able to make an HP Scanjet 5300C scanner work > with SuSE 8.1? This guy claims to have done so http://members.tripod.com/~mjallen/linuxscanner.html this is a good sign, his link is to the main sane webpage. > the FAQs about SANE hp-backend. I've consulted several Sane Those words "hp-backend" led me to do a little digging on the web. If you visit http://www.mostang.com/sane/sane-mfgs.html#HEWLETT-PACKARD (the SANE website supported-hardware list) if you scroll down a bit it says the 5300C uses the sane-avision backend, not the "sane-hp" (which is what I am guessing you have looked for hence you saying "hp-backend") There is a couple of links from that page also. One that may be the most use is the webpage for the avision backend http://drocklinux.dyndns.org/rene/avision/index.html Anyhow let us know how you get on. If you get stuck with this then please post back then I may be able to suggest a bit more to try and fix it. Adam

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[Alug]HP scanner 5300C
by F J Brooks 07 May '03

07 May '03

I am a complete newbie and have recently installed SuSE 8.1. Has anyone been able to make an HP Scanjet 5300C scanner work with SuSE 8.1? I've been all round SANE - and out the other side. I've tried the articles in the April 2003 issue of Linux Journal, and in the December 2002 issue of Linux Format. I've downloaded the Yolux tutorial : Scanners and Linux, and the FAQs about SANE hp-backend. I've consulted several Sane pages from the SuSE manual. I can make none of them work - at least partly because they do not give step-by-step instructions. They're all so varied and inconsistent: one moment giving actual commands, the next speaking in generalities, such as: 'To build the backends package, it's a simple case of unpacking the tarball and performing the usual configure/make incantation.' and: '...it's time to choose the backend driver. For most scanners you can make educated guesses from the SANE website supported-hardware list.' [As our American cousins say: 'Excuse me!? Come again!?] As a newbie, such 'instructions leave me, not only cold, but fumingly frustrated. Can anyone help, please? BTW it seems to be de rigeur to add a sign-off. Perhaps I could run this up the flagpole and see if anyone salutes it: Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana Fred

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[Alug]Councils and Linux
by Tarquin Mills 07 May '03

07 May '03

Hello, sometime appear on the IRC meetings as Shadowtlx and have just rejoined this mailing list. Below is a question I asked Norwich City Council. Question. In this time of council cuts and cash shortages, how much money is the council spending on Microsoft software (e.g. MS Windows, MS Office etc)? Including the cost of Windows when bought as part of new systems. As an alternative, the council could use free software. Free operating systems could be used instead of MS Windows such as Linux, NetBSD etc. These OSes are of a commercial standard and because they are open source are available on a large number of hardware platforms. This means they could remove windows from their computers without needing to change the computers, in fact Linux is more efficient so old computers can be used for longer. Linux (the third most popular PC OS and second most popular server OS) is more secure than Windows, OpenBSD is a version of BSD with security a top concern. All these OS are immune to Windows viruses. Linux is a clone of Unix (an OS that has been in existence since 1969). The open system Unix (is produced by several manufacturers) and along with Windows are the 2 main OS in use. Using Linux instead of Windows and commercial Unix will unite computers leading to standardisation. For web browsing there is Mozilla (an open source version of Netscape). For office software there is OpenOffice.org 1, KDEoffice etc. You get all this for no cost, what is more the software has a licence that stops people charging for it in the future e.g. the GPL. Supplemental Question. Are free OSes and there apps being trialled by the council? By adopting Linux the council would be helping to put Norwich and Norfolk into a more modern outlook when it comes to IT. If the council insists on using commercial operating systems then why not have local OS such as the one developed in East Anglia. RISC OS computers are more enviromently friendly. "Office software is a problem for local authorities because of the expense", says Socitm national secretary Bob Griffith. Unilever is migrating its IT infrastructure to Linux. The move will contribute to a cost saving of 66 million pounds. "Everytime we put in Linux, we are amazed and surprised at it's speed and the reliability with which we can run it." said Unilever. In answer to the main question they said they will pass my suggests on the companies running the councils IT in a 15 year outsourceing contract. During the asking of the supplemental question I tried to press them into giving a figure on M$ costs, but all they would say is that there contractors said the cost of finding out was disproportionate. So Norwich City Council does not know the costs of services of one of it's major suppliers. I intended to ask Norfolk County Council the same questions. -- Tarquin Mills Reboot Movement (An Anti-Wintel Campaign) http://www.planet14.sonow4u.co.uk/comp/reboot/

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[Alug]Thursday evening meeting Norwich
by Syd Hancock 05 May '03

05 May '03

The meeting yesterday evening at the Forum in Norwich seemed to go very well. Nine people in attendance and lots of chat both social and technical. Always good to put faces to names and to meet a few new people. Present were Keith, Ian, Graham, Colin, Jonathan, Mark, Syd, Bill and an anonymous stuffed penguin plus the chap who didn't like the beer - sorry I didn't catch your name, you can kick me next time :-) General opinion seemed to be to do it again next month - perhaps some more discussion on list needed re possible choices of venue and date. For example, how would people feel about meeting on a monday even though it clashes with IRC? Would missing irc once a month, for those who participate, be a major problem? Would a venue where kit could be set up be better or was the sit-and-chat atmosphere of the Forum bar preferred? Of course we can always try a few different venues over the first few months - I'm a great believer in trying things out. Anyway, must dash, train to catch to Cornwall. Very interested to know what anyone else thought about the meet. Syd

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[Alug]Installing on to Mac g4
by James A Hayes 05 May '03

05 May '03

Hi all, I have recently bought a copy of Mandrake 9.1 and would like to install it on my Mac as it is a PPC programme - but l am not linux competent, although open source is where l want to go. Anyway would appreciate some help. james

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[Alug]Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 05 May '03

05 May '03

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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[Alug]LOCAL: ALUG Meeting, Norwich, 8pm, Thu 1 May 2003
by MJ Ray 03 May '03

03 May '03

[1]ALUG [2]Map Meeting 2003.5 : Norwich: The Forum bar 1 May 2003 Plan for the meeting Roughly, as follows: We will meet up from 8pm onwards for an informal evening get-together for anyone interested in GNU/Linux. NB: This venue is not suitable for anything more than portable equipment (laptops, palmtops, etc). How to get there For directions, please see [3]the venue information page. People at the meeting So far, Syd and Keith are confirmed, while Graham and MJR are suspected. Surprisingly low numbers so far, given how much interest there was in a Norwich meeting. If you will also be coming to this meeting, please try to say so on the mailing list, so we can be prepared for the numbers! Equipment Equipment is brought at your own risk. We strongly suggest that you tag or label your kit. No known thefts have occurred at our meetings, but there is ample scope for going home with the wrong cables, etc. Be sure to bring all appropriate power cables etc. An extra extension lead will also be a good idea. So far, for this meeting, we know of: MJR A small fluffy penguin to sit on the table, so that you can find us. Discussion If you want to discuss this meeting, please [4]use the mailing list. [5]Back to the meetings index * Destinations 1. [6]Join ALUG 2. [7]FAQ 3. [8]Meetings * Local LUGs 1. [9]Peterborough 2. [10]Cambridge * Recent Donors 1. [11]PHP4Hosting 2. [12]Black Cat Networks 3. [13]Martyn Drake 4. [14]Turo Technology LLP You may think I'm a dreamer... but I'm not the only one [15]UK LUGs References 1. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 2. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 3. http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/forum.html 4. http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main 5. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/ 6. http://www.alug.org.uk/background/contacts.html 7. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?AlugFaq 8. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2003/ 9. http://www.peterboro.lug.org.uk/ 10. http://www.cam-lug.org.uk/ 11. http://www.php4hosting.co.uk/ 12. http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/ 13. http://www.drake.org.uk/ 14. http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ 15. http://www.lug.org.uk/

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[Alug]Debian Install
by Ian Bell 03 May '03

03 May '03

I now have debian installed on my other partition and have managed to get X working under Gnome but not KDE. Unfortunately the installer ignored my rh7.3 on the other partition and overwrote the MBR - good job I had made a boot disk. Anyway, tried to mod the redhat lilo.conf to boot debian too but I can't get it to work. boot is /dev/hda in both cases. rh root is /dev/hda1 and debian is /dev/hda2. I can only have one root statement in the preamble block and lilo does not like path names starting /dev in the image line. So how to do this? Ian

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Re: [Alug]Unfriendly A7N266-VM motherboard - was rtl8139 aha moment
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 02 May '03

02 May '03

Adam Bower wrote: >I still think my boss did this as a "challenge" you couldn't get a less >supported x86 motherboard if you tried (I suspect anyhow) and I may well give >up on the onboard ethernet and just use a different PCI nic instead and may >reccomend you do the same too. At least if you do that it will work ok with >Debian and getting the thing online to upgrade will not be so difficult. I was so heartened by this that I stuffed in an old NIC that was lying around, got networking going, and things are looking up. Unfortunately when I then upgraded to a later kernel (2.4.19 from 2.4.18-bf2) I lost the networking again :-) The first kernel image wouldn't boot at all as it seemed to be trying to mount "root=3:01" rather than /dev/hda1? For all that onboard not-worky stuff I found a driver package on nVidia website, NVIDIA_nforce-1.0-0248.tar.gz but keep getting make errors. I don't even know if it contains the correct drivers. Adam - have you tried this? So no XWindow (essential for the job this computer is required for) and only networking with one kernel image so far. Also can't find anywhere in BIOS to turn off either PnP OS or the onboard NIC. I'm about to waste a bit more time this morning doing a 2.4.20 build. Adam - I think your boss did this because the computer is currently on offer at a bargain price at Cambridge Computers - that's how come I ended up being bought one. The subsequent amount of hours at my hourly wage trying to get it working could have brought one twice as expensive and still been cheaper for them :-) Jenny

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[Alug]Announce digest, Vol 2 #7 - 1 msg
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 02 May '03

02 May '03

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. Fwd: [lugmaster] UK free software conference (MJ Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk, peterboro(a)mailman.lug.org.uk, clug(a)cambridge-lug.org From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 15:33:34 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Alug Announce]Fwd: [lugmaster] UK free software conference Hope this is of interest to some here. From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: [lugmaster] UK free software conference Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 11:58:29 -0000 Please forward to your groups. Thanks. Registrations are now being taken for the Association For Free Software's first annual conference, to be held at Aston University, Birmingham on Sat 17 May 2003. Doors open 1015, talks start 1100. The conference is free to current AFFS members and those who apply to join (fee 10 pounds) and will feature talks from members of various free software projects. More details are available at http://www.affs.org.uk/affsac.html but feel free to email me (MJR) questions. We are still interested in proposals for more talks, too: send a short summary and an estimate of the required time by email to frontdesk(a)affs.org.uk -- MJR http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ IM: slef(a)jabber.at This is my home web site. This for Jabber Messaging. How's my writing? Let me know via any of my contact details. _______________________________________________ lugmaster mailing list lugmaster(a)mailman.lug.org.uk http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/lugmaster --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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RE: [Alug]Unfriendly A7N266-VM motherboard - was rtl8139 aha mome nt
by Adam Bower 30 Apr '03

30 Apr '03

> From: Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com > Unfortunately when I then upgraded to a later kernel (2.4.19 from > 2.4.18-bf2) I lost the networking again :-) > The first kernel image wouldn't boot at all as it seemed to > be trying to > mount "root=3:01" rather than /dev/hda1? I had some kind of problem with this, it is to do with the root=/dev/hda1 line in lilo. On this machine root is /dev/hda3 but the kernel could not mount the disk here etc. I am not sure what is happening yet but when I get some more time to put linux on this box I will work it out then. > For all that onboard not-worky stuff I found a driver package > on nVidia > website, NVIDIA_nforce-1.0-0248.tar.gz but keep getting make > errors. I > don't even know if it contains the correct drivers. Adam - > have you tried > this? Yes it does contain the correct drivers, but they are a selection of .o .h and .c files, you will need to have the kernel-headers for your running kernel installed to be able to compile the module. Of course I didn't get this far because of the booting any 2.4 series kernel problem, these drivers will not work with a 2.2 series kernel either. > So no XWindow (essential for the job this computer is > required for) and > only networking with one kernel image so far. > Also can't find anywhere in BIOS to turn off either PnP OS or > the onboard > NIC. Don't bother about turning off the onboard nic if you are going to use a PCI one. There was a BIOS update for this machine that I did install, I think it have an option to turn off the PnP OS, I will let you know later when I have had a chance to reboot this machine. > I'm about to waste a bit more time this morning doing a > 2.4.20 build. Adam > - I think your boss did this because the computer is > currently on offer at > a bargain price at Cambridge Computers - that's how come I > ended up being > bought one. The subsequent amount of hours at my hourly wage > trying to get > it working could have brought one twice as expensive and > still been cheaper > for them :-) You know something you are 200% correct, I really dislike CCS and wish I could have gone to somewhere like WOC in Milton to get some kit, they are really supportive of Linux type things (well everything really) and have exchanged things for me many times which turned out to be a pain to get working. Spending the extra pennies at WOC has really helped me out in the past. Adam

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[Alug]CueCat
by w0037109 30 Apr '03

30 Apr '03

Just to show how out of the run of things I am, I just came accross a CueCat (check slashdot for numerous postings). Apparently these things (apart from infringing your privacy) do good "stuff" with barcodes :- ) We're in the process of starting a business not dissimilar to www.thinkgeek.com but a UK/EU equivilant! hang on... I feel a plug coming on: <plug> www.puregeeks.com </plug> and I'm thinking of getting one of these thingies so I can play with barcodes for the stock. Anyone had any experience of these thingies? Tim Neobard ------------- w0037109 SYS3 MSN:fallscrape@hotmail.com ICQ:63488574 Tel:01603 492495 http://www.far2much.info

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[Alug]Sharp zaurus sl-c700
by Adrian F. Clark 30 Apr '03

30 Apr '03

I've just noticed that eXpansys are taking pre-orders for the Sharp Zaurus SL-C700, a 400 MHz xscale device with a 640x480 screen that can be used in Psion-like clamshell mode or, thanks to some magic hinges, a la Palm. Runs Linux, of course. It has CF _and_ SD slots and can take an 802.11 CF card. Many of the programs developed for the 5500 apparently work on it and I've seen a web-site with pictures of a John Wayne movie playing on one. (OK, so not all owners have good taste.) Some of us have been drooling over this PDA since its announcement last November in Japan but this is the first time I've seen a UK-friendly version available. No price yet, alas, but I've already placed my order. At last, I can replace my aging Psion 5 with a palmtop that I should be able to get emacs onto! ;-) http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=SL-C700 for more details. ..Adrian -- Dr Adrian F Clark WEB: http://esewww.essex.ac.uk/~alien/ EMAIL: alien(a)essex.ac.uk TEL: +44 1206 872432 FAX: +44 1206 872900 PAPER: VASE Lab, Dept ESE, University of Essex, Colchester, CO4 3SQ, UK

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[Alug]Announce digest, Vol 2 #6 - 1 msg
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 30 Apr '03

30 Apr '03

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. LOCAL: Meeting: Norwich, 8pm Thu 1 May (MJ Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 17:17:18 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Alug Announce]LOCAL: Meeting: Norwich, 8pm Thu 1 May [1]ALUG [2]Map Meeting 2003.5 : Norwich: The Forum bar 1 May 2003 Plan for the meeting Roughly, as follows: We will meet up from 8pm onwards for an informal evening get-together for anyone interested in GNU/Linux. NB: This venue is not suitable for anything more than portable equipment (laptops, palmtops, etc). How to get there For directions, please see [3]the venue information page. People at the meeting So far, Syd and Keith are confirmed, while Graham and MJR are suspected. If you will also be coming to this meeting, please try to say so on the mailing list, so we can be prepared for the numbers! Equipment Equipment is brought at your own risk. We strongly suggest that you tag or label your kit. No known thefts have occurred at our meetings, but there is ample scope for going home with the wrong cables, etc. Be sure to bring all appropriate power cables etc. An extra extension lead will also be a good idea. So far, for this meeting, we know of: MJR A small fluffy penguin to sit on the table, so that you can find us. Discussion If you want to discuss this meeting, please [4]use the mailing list. [5]Back to the meetings index * Destinations 1. [6]Join ALUG 2. [7]FAQ 3. [8]Meetings * Local LUGs 1. [9]Peterborough 2. [10]Cambridge * Recent Donors 1. [11]PHP4Hosting 2. [12]Black Cat Networks 3. [13]Martyn Drake 4. [14]Turo Technology LLP You may think I'm a dreamer... but I'm not the only one [15]UK LUGs References 1. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 2. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 3. http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/forum.html 4. http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main 5. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/ 6. http://www.alug.org.uk/background/contacts.html 7. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?AlugFaq 8. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2003/ 9. http://www.peterboro.lug.org.uk/ 10. http://www.cam-lug.org.uk/ 11. http://www.php4hosting.co.uk/ 12. http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/ 13. http://www.drake.org.uk/ 14. http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ 15. http://www.lug.org.uk/ --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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RE: [Alug]suse 8.1 promo revisited
by Adam Bower 30 Apr '03

30 Apr '03

> From: Syd Hancock [mailto:syd@toufol.com] > I'm confused. Can someone clarify the situation here. Some people > seemed to object strongly to the suse8.1 CD set from a cover disk > being offered on the grounds that is is against their licence. > That's fair enough. On the other hand it clearly a promo offer so > presumably suse are not too concerned if it may gain users - also > fair enough. If people want a copy they are probably better off buying the magazine than sorting out CDs, both in license terms and also cost? Also the full SuSE box set contains lots of CDs, I am guessing that they are not all included with this magazine so SuSE are offering part of their product to try and attract new users? > My question is - is it acceptable to the members of the list for me > to (re)offer these CDs? It is not acceptable for you to offer the CDs on this list if it is against the SuSE license, If you would be breaking the terms of that license you would also be breaking the law. The line I take on this kind of thing is to recommend free alternatives such as Debian which do not come with these "problems", and BTW if people are interested I now have the Woody update CD available and sarge images for the first 3 CDs. Thanks Adam

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RE: [Alug]suse 8.1 promo revisited
by Adam Bower 29 Apr '03

29 Apr '03

> From: jamie.french(a)talk21.com [mailto:jamie.french@talk21.com] > Please excuse my ignorance, but I don't understand how it is > different passing the CDs around for people to install rather > than copy? I appreciate that this is what SuSe MAY stipulate, > but just sounds odd to me. Because if you install a copy and like it and then want to install extra packages you either have to go and borrow the disks again or spend money on the nice shiny box set (or in this case go and buy the magazine). Similar to how you borrow a book but don't copy it. Adam

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Re: [Alug]suse 8.1 promo revisited
by jamie.french＠talk21.com 29 Apr '03

29 Apr '03

Please excuse my ignorance, but I don't understand how it is different passing the CDs around for people to install rather than copy? I appreciate that this is what SuSe MAY stipulate, but just sounds odd to me. Take Care, Jamie >No. The objection was to copies being offered, as that was thought to >beagainst their licence. The original CDs from the cover disc should >befine to pass around. Best Regards, Jamie French -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com

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[Alug]suse 8.1 promo revisited
by Syd Hancock 29 Apr '03

29 Apr '03

I'm confused. Can someone clarify the situation here. Some people seemed to object strongly to the suse8.1 CD set from a cover disk being offered on the grounds that is is against their licence. That's fair enough. On the other hand it clearly a promo offer so presumably suse are not too concerned if it may gain users - also fair enough. My question is - is it acceptable to the members of the list for me to (re)offer these CDs? Syd

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[Alug]rtl8139 aha moment
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 29 Apr '03

29 Apr '03

Re. my astonishment at the non-workingness of this computer and the rtl8139 thing; I've answered my own question: This is a winputer. http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0301.2/0452.html Lovely. I'm going home.... Jenny

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Re: [Alug]rtl8139
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 29 Apr '03

29 Apr '03

MJR wrote: >Aren't those drivers built into the bf2.4 kernel? >http://www.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/bf2.4/k… >suggests so. Steve wrote: >No, if the driver is built-in to the kernel, as Mark suggests, you won't see a separate file for it - it will be >part of /vmlinuz. Yes, sorry - I see it in my own config now. I was looking for it as a module in modconf. Sorry - a bit hazy on things like this. Two steps forward and one back.... What it is, is I have a new motherboard A7N266-VM which has onboard video (NVIDIA 220D North Bridge) and ethernet (Realtek 8201 PHY controller). The complete output of lspci shows everything to be nvidia corporation "unknown device", anyways I found a thread on the internet that says the ethernet for this motherboard will work with rtl8139. Jen

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Fw: Re: [Alug]Debian Install
by Steve Fosdick 28 Apr '03

28 Apr '03

On Sun, 27 Apr 2003 18:30:03 +0100 Ian Bell <ian(a)redtommo.com> wrote: > Now that one is solved it is time to find out why KDE does not work. > X windows gives a fatal server error 4. What does that indicate? When does this error occur? Is it before login, i.e. is it when you are expecting a graphical login screen like kdm or gdm to appear, or is it after you have logged in? X writes a log file which may help diagnose this - where this gets written may depend on which login manager you are using. For gdm2 I have the log file /var/log/XFree86.0.log. I have also seen a log called gdm:0.log or some such similar thing. Steve.

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RE: [Alug]rtl8139
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 28 Apr '03

28 Apr '03

Jonathan Dye wrote: >The driver should be 8139too. That's what I'm using currently with 3.0 and >I installed from the bf2.4 disks. Is that under drivers/net? I can't see 8139too or any Realtek stuff. Thanks, Jenny

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[Alug]rtl8139
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 28 Apr '03

28 Apr '03

Hi List, Great meeting yesterday, ta for help all. Now, why can't I find any Realtek drivers in the kernel 2.4.18-bf2.4 that comes with the woody 3.0 disk? Could I be looking in the wrong place, or aren't there any? I need one to get a network connection going (onboard Realtex 8201 PHY controller) in order to get a different kernel :-) Thanks Jen

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Re: [Alug]rtl8139
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 28 Apr '03

28 Apr '03

Laurie wrote: >8139too is correct. It *is* compiled either in the kernel or as a module >isn't it? I have a Stupid Moment Feeling coming over me.... Now, one of my problems here is that I can never see where the source tree installs to when I do a fresh install from disk - I've only ever upgraded kernels by installing a new one and then working with that. Anyway, escape from further embarrassment by a timely dentists visit...:-) Will look afresh in the morning. Ta, Jen

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RE: [Alug]rtl8139
by Jonathan Dye 28 Apr '03

28 Apr '03

Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com wrote: > Hi List, > Great meeting yesterday, ta for help all. > > Now, why can't I find any Realtek drivers in the kernel > 2.4.18-bf2.4 that > comes with the woody 3.0 disk? Could I be looking in the wrong > place, or aren't there any? > I need one to get a network connection going (onboard Realtex 8201 PHY > controller) in order to get a different kernel :-) The driver should be 8139too. That's what I'm using currently with 3.0 and I installed from the bf2.4 disks. JD _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service

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[Alug]Suse 8.1
by Syd Hancock 28 Apr '03

28 Apr '03

This month's PC Plus has Suse 8.1 on the DVD - three CDs. AFAIK this is the fully-installable version, not the run-from-cd trial. If anyone wants a copy, contact me off list. No copying fee :-) Syd

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[Alug]Elmswell
by John Seago 28 Apr '03

28 Apr '03

Syd Hancock <syd(a)toufol.com> wrote: > I won't be there, sorry. Entertaining guests today - two Texans who > want to see Norwich! And I went specially to prove that I was'n't dead! -- John Seago

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[Alug]Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 28 Apr '03

28 Apr '03

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Re: [Alug]Debian Install
by Steve Fosdick 27 Apr '03

27 Apr '03

On Sun, 27 Apr 2003 11:27:56 -0000 MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > Alternatively, try grub. Beware, as the path specs are a little > different. Grub will definitely enable you to do what you want, though I still think it is possible with LILO too. With LILO most of the inteligence is in the map installer, the 'lilo' command you run to set things up, and the code that actually does the booting is therefore very simplistic, but small and light and loads very fast. By comparison, grub has a second stage loader that is able to read proper file systems rather than just follow a block list so it is very flexible and can cope with things getting changed, but does take noticably longer to load because the second stage loader is bigger. Though I still have LILO for my main boot loader for the extra speed, I have a copy of grub on a floppy as a completely general purpose boot disk - just the job for booting a configuration that is otherwise broken. Steve.

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[Alug]Elmswell Meeting 27 April
by barrie james 27 Apr '03

27 Apr '03

Where is the meeting - with the website down the directions have gone. 2pm start? Thanks Barrie _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

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[Alug]Debian et al installfest
by Ian Bell 27 Apr '03

27 Apr '03

Following my less than happy time with RH9.0 I decided to install Debian. The result has been a veritable installfest with me having all sorts of problems trying to install Debian and other distros. The current situation is that, since I have just one PC (laptop), I have created two equal sized linux partions and a common swap on it and installed RH7.3 one one (whcih is where I was before this all started). This way I can try other distros without losing my basic desktop functionality. Anyway the next step is to try Debian again and I'll report my Debian newbie experiences blow by blow - assuming the Debian community is interested in such things. Ian

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Re: [Alug]Elmswell Meeting 27 April
by NuTTeR -- Not Entered -- 27 Apr '03

27 Apr '03

Might turn up if i can find a way and its not tooo far off course from Norwich(maybe Weasenham) to Cambridge. Ill even have kit(my pc)! Oh ive downloaded iso'z of debian testing + hurd k2(uea connection is sooo fast) and have a few other cd images on my hard disk if anyone wants them and has the blanks or cash. lol ill sell them at 1/2 the linuxemporium's prices, maybe. Dennis -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug]software for Sunday meeting.
by Edenyard 26 Apr '03

26 Apr '03

MJ Ray wrote: > > I'll be there, but with minimal kit. I'll bring the updated chording > keyboard.... > Chording keyboard? What's that all about? I won't be able to get to the meeting, but I hope the question's still valid! Cheers, Gerald.

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[Alug]ADV: FTGH, Junk.
by Jonathan McDowell 26 Apr '03

26 Apr '03

Right. Being in the process of moving house, I really should clear out some of the junk I haven't used in a couple of years. I'll admit not all of it is Linux related, but I figure no one's going to want to travel any distance to pick this stuff up, so the ALUG list is my best chance. All free to anyone who can be bothered to pick it up from Norwich. Macintosh LC with keyboard, mouse, 14" colour monitor. 40MB HD. Should be in full working order, been a while since I powered it up. Only a 68000 I think; certainly doesn't run Linux though I guess ucLinux might be portable. Sun 3/50 with keyboard, mouse, no monitor. Used to use this as an xterm when I had a monitor for it, but no longer have said item. Should work fine and I think it can just about run Linux (and can certainly run NetBSD). 6 CD SCSI jukebox (single speed). Slow, but does work with Linux. External SCSI enclosure (5.25", huge 3 row D connectors) 16 port 10baseT hub with AUI + BNC. Needs a PSU. I might be able to find on, otherwise it's a 12V DC wallwart with the round plug at the end. 286 base unit Goldstar branded. 3 ISA slots, on board VGA, serial etc. Think it has IDE but just has 2 5.25" drives at present. PS/2 mouse/keyboard sockets. I originally meant to play with ELKS on this. RM 480Z + monitor + disk drive. Think it's working ok. I'll no doubt find more stuff as I sort things out; I'll maintain a list at: http://www.earth.li/~noodles/computer-junk.html and if no one wants any of it then I'll see if there are some fools on Ebay who'll pay 50p + P&P. :) (As an aside, sorry I can't make the meeting tomorrow - need to clean the old house to make sure I get the full deposit back!) J. -- jid: noodles(a)jabber.earth.li 101 things you can't have too much of : 40 - Star Wars toys.

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FW: [Alug]software for sunday meeting.
by Jamie French 26 Apr '03

26 Apr '03

I'll send it correctly next time :) -----Original Message----- From: Jamie French [mailto:jamie.french@talk21.com] Sent: 26 April 2003 08:53 To: 'main-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk' Subject: RE: [Alug]software for sunday meeting. I am hoping to attend, wife permitting :) I would like to bring my Zaurus and discuss with other Zaurus users how to get OZ 3.2 into a stable and working state. Take Care Jamie -----Original Message----- From: main-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk [mailto:main-admin@lists.alug.org.uk]On Behalf Of Adam Bower Sent: 25 April 2003 23:07 To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]software for sunday meeting. On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 09:42:15PM -0000, MJ Ray wrote: > Adam Bower <abower(a)thebowery.co.uk> wrote: > > Also who is coming along? and what kit are you bringing? does anyone want help > > with anything or want to discuss anything? > > I'll be there, but with minimal kit. I'll bring the updated chording > keyboard and some sort of palmtop device with me. I'll have my GLLUG > talk notes with me, about "The Free Software Story", if there's interest > in that, or I am always available for interrogation ;*) I will have my zaurus running open zaurus 3.2, and my vaio picturebook. I will perhaps also bring a Sun Ultra 30 and debianise it at the meeting. Although it may have a hardware fault (possibly just needs SCSI disks reseated) so I will have a quick look tomorrow to see if this is viable. Other things I have been playing with (or planning to play with) are bluetooth on linux with a usb dongle and a sony ericsson t68i and gpsdrive on the vaio. Adam -- jabberid = quinophex(a)jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.alug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above!

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[Alug]Announce digest, Vol 2 #5 - 1 msg
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 26 Apr '03

26 Apr '03

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. LOCAL: ALUG at Elmswell, Suffolk, UK, 2pm, Sun 27 Apr 2003 (MJ Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 01:49:32 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Alug Announce]LOCAL: ALUG at Elmswell, Suffolk, UK, 2pm, Sun 27 Apr 2003 [1]ALUG [2]Map Meeting 2003.4 : AT Vetinerary Systems, Elmswell, Suffolk Sunday 27 April 2003 Plan for the meeting Roughly, as follows: The meeting is scheduled for 2pm-6pm. There will be one or two short talks, the normal hacking of systems and discussions, with veterans on hand to ask for advice and help. The librarians will tell us the current state of the library and MJR will finally return his library book. How to get there For directions, please see [3]the venue information page. People at the meeting So far, Adam, Kirsty, MJR and Rob are definites. If you are planning to come, please say so on the mailing list. If you will also be coming to this meeting, please try to say so on the mailing list, so we can be prepared for the numbers! Equipment Equipment is brought at your own risk. We strongly suggest that you tag or label your kit. No known thefts have occurred at our meetings, but there is ample scope for going home with the wrong cables, etc. Be sure to bring all appropriate power cables etc. An extra extension lead will also be a good idea. So far, for this meeting, we know of: Adam I will bring a zaurus and maybe a laptop running gpsdrive. I may bring my sparc and try to make it work with debian. I was hoping to have my linux pvr working for this meet but not yet. I can burn and bring CDs, if you ask me for them now. MJR A short talk on a Free Software movement in the UK. A chording keyboard that works with Linux. Rob Keys and a Building? Discussion If you want to discuss this meeting, please [4]use the mailing list. [5]Back to the meetings index * Destinations 1. [6]Join ALUG 2. [7]FAQ 3. [8]Meetings * Local LUGs 1. [9]Peterborough 2. [10]Cambridge * Recent Donors 1. [11]PHP4Hosting 2. [12]Black Cat Networks 3. [13]Martyn Drake 4. [14]Turo Technology LLP You may think I'm a dreamer... but I'm not the only one [15]UK LUGs References 1. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 2. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 3. http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/elmswell.html 4. http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main 5. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/ 6. http://www.alug.org.uk/background/contacts.html 7. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?AlugFaq 8. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?AlugMeetings 9. http://www.peterboro.lug.org.uk/ 10. http://www.cam-lug.org.uk/ 11. http://www.php4hosting.co.uk/ 12. http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/ 13. http://www.drake.org.uk/ 14. http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ 15. http://www.lug.org.uk/ --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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[Alug]software for sunday meeting.
by Adam Bower 25 Apr '03

25 Apr '03

Hi everyone. Does anyone want any debian CDs for sundays meeting? I have some sarge images available (about a week old) also I have the linux conf australia CDs available which fozzy mentioned the other week. Also who is coming along? and what kit are you bringing? does anyone want help with anything or want to discuss anything? Thanks Adam -- jabberid = quinophex(a)jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem

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RE: [Alug]AMD Opteron
by Adam Bower 25 Apr '03

25 Apr '03

> From: Martyn Drake [mailto:martyn@drake.org.uk] > Is there any Linux distribution out there that can support > the 64-bitness of > the Opteron out of the box? I know SuSE has made some noise > about this, but > I'm not sure what the others are doing. Yes, I know it's > early days... Mandrake, http://www.mandrakesoft.com/company/press/pr?n=/pr/products/2418&wslang=en apparently costs real $$$. BTW I have heard from a few people I know who have been developing on the Opteron (people who develop on many other 64bit platforms), apparently its stupidly fast, and I want one :) Adam

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[Alug]Debian: does 'sarge' use Gnome 1 or 2?
by Keith Watson 25 Apr '03

25 Apr '03

As above. Keith ____________ It's not what the eye sees, but that which makes the eye see. The Upanishads

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RE: [Alug]RH9 Opinions?
by Adam Bower 25 Apr '03

25 Apr '03

> From: Alexis Lee [mailto:lxs@sdf-eu.org] > > Come to that, shouldn't we be having another release? I thought they > wanted releases every year or so? Pixar will have to get busy... You know, its funny that a Free Software distribution takes its names from a movie that was created on (very) non-free (and incredibly expensive in money terms too) software... Adam

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[Alug]AMD Opteron
by Martyn Drake 25 Apr '03

25 Apr '03

Is there any Linux distribution out there that can support the 64-bitness of the Opteron out of the box? I know SuSE has made some noise about this, but I'm not sure what the others are doing. Yes, I know it's early days... Regards, Martyn

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[Alug]RH9 Opinions?
by Ian Bell 25 Apr '03

25 Apr '03

Just upgraded from RH7.3 to RH9.0 and I am not a particularly happy bunny. OK it has some nice eye candy and up to date KDE, Open Office, gtk+ and Mozilla. However kpackage and gnorpm have not only gone but have been deleted despite doing an upgrade rather than an install. The RH rpm installer is a joke. I have no idea where an rpm's files go so its very hard to make a desktop link or find the docs. I have downloaded both binary rpms and source tarballs for both progs but they have a whole bunch of dependency problems. It seems as though RH is deliberately trying to obstruct users from managing their own rpms. Fortunately I have been able to download and install apt and synaptic so all is not lost but I had to use the command line rpm to do it. AND I just discovered the kde menu editor is gone too!! I have debian 3 on DVD and if it were not for the significant backup task associated with a clean install I would be installing it now. Ian

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RE: [Alug]Fwd: How small could you get GnuStep? Squeeze into a Sh arp Zaurus?
by Adam Bower 25 Apr '03

25 Apr '03

> From: MJ Ray [mailto:markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: 25 April 2003 03:38 > To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > Subject: Re: [Alug]Fwd: How small could you get GnuStep? > Squeeze into a > Sharp Zaurus? > > > Adam Bower <abower(a)thebowery.co.uk> wrote: > > More like X11 is too large... > > That's silly talk, eg > http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT9006921228.html and > http://alllinuxdevices.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2000-08-02-007 -03-IN-LF-HH Maybe but I have yet to see anyone actually port X to the Zaurus and make it, not slow and not big and as featured as opie/qpe. I think talk of porting GnuStep is still a bit premature right now. Adam

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[Alug]Fwd: How small could you get GnuStep? Squeeze into a Sharp Zaurus?
by mjr＠cloaked.freeserve.co.uk 25 Apr '03

25 Apr '03

This appeared on the gnustep-discuss list. I know we have some Zaurus users here. Would some of you like to help with this? Basic information on GNUstep can be found at http://www.gnustep.org/ From: hns(a)dsitri.de (HNS) Subject: How small could you get GnuStep? Squeeze into a Sharp Zaurus? Date: 24 Apr 2003 05:29:52 -0700 About a year ago (18th - 21th march 02), there was a discussion thread on that issue. Answers were: * GNUstep is too large * GNUstep needs X11 * NextStep interface is too heavy for a PDA screen What I recently found out is that there *IS* a X11 server (hosted on sourceforge, called Zaurus Xfree86) for Zaurus. With that on a Compact Flash (not in the kernel of course), it should be possible to compile and run GNUstep on a Zaurus. The benefits could be * alternate (to Qt) GUI development kit * a lot of additional applications * easy to learn framework (supporting full unicode) and application kit (supporting sophisticated graphics) * porting of some MacOS X applications seems feasible * a GUI looking like MacOS X seems feasible Any ideas, comments, results, any sleeves rolled up? hns http://www.dsitri.de/php/projects/index.php?project=myPDA

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Fwd: Re: [Alug]Debian: does 'sarge' use Gnome 1 or 2? [fozzy@pelvoux.nildram.co.uk]
by Steve Fosdick 24 Apr '03

24 Apr '03

On 2003.04.24 13:51, Barry Samuels wrote: > On 2003.04.24 12:20 Keith Watson wrote: > >> As above. > > If I'm right in that Debian 'Sarge' is the same as 'Testing' > then it appears to use Gnome 1.4. Yes, I believe 'sarge' is 'testing' and as far as I can see the version of GNOME is a mix between 1.4, 2.0 and 2.2 but worst of all it is broken. There is some stange problem between nautilus and bonobo which results in nautilus windows appearing repeatedly with no user intervention until all memory is exhuasted, or you type Ctrl-Alt-Backspace in desparation. Unstable seems to have mostly GNOME 2.2 in it so hopefully that will make it's way into sarge before it is released. Steve.

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[Alug]OT: What to do when your ex-employer..
by Martyn Drake 24 Apr '03

24 Apr '03

.. takes a photograph from your personal web site and then proceeds to use it for a national ad campaign in .net without any regards for your copyright or permission? This is precisely what has happened. For anybody that has (or is going to buy) .net May 2003, there is a full page advert on page 34 from NDO with the headline, "Break away from the pack". The background is a photograph of tropical fish, which Jennifer (my missus) took during our honeymoon to Bora Bora. For whatever reason, the photo is mirrored from the original, but it is quite clearly our photo. It was originally placed in our online photo album which didn't have any copyright labels on it. I don't mind people downloading the photos for their own personal use, but to use it for profit without even asking for permission is simply downright unprofessional. I would have expected a lot better from these people. What options do I have? I'm considering legal action, but is it going to be worth it? Regards, Martyn

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RE: [Alug]OT: What to do when your ex-employer..
by Adam Bower 23 Apr '03

23 Apr '03

> From: Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk > You may well have a case, since there is implicit copyright on any > "original work". However, the fact that you made it available without > explicit restriction on your website could (but by no means > necessarily) > weaken your claim: basically, naively but unwisely, you left it up > for grabs. Copyright normally extends also to "electronic" duplication > these days. For the legal aspects of this, you need proper advice, > however, since it's a can of worms. I spoke to a photographer friend of mine about this a few minutes after Martyn sent it to the list (the guy takes photos for advertising, exactly the area that this covers), basically he has a claim for copyright infringement but he will have to pursue it directly with them. I also replied to Martyn offlist as putting information into a public forum about this may prejudice any action Martyn takes. One other point is that the proper forum for this would be alug-social (unless the photo was of some linux computers in the original photo ;)) Adam

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RE: [Alug]RH9 Opinions?
by Adam Bower 23 Apr '03

23 Apr '03

> -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Bell [mailto:ian@redtommo.com] > If I start with stable is it relatively straightforward to go > to testing and > unstable? I have the Debian DVD from last years Linux thingy > in London so > presumably this has them all on it? I don't have broadband so large > downloads are out of the question. Its really simple to upgrade with Debian, although you will want lots of bandwidth or patietence to do it over dialup. Or you can take advantage of me offering cheap Debian CDs to Alug (well anyone really) people (using works bandwidth http://www.drakken.com ). I can get CD sets for stable, testing or unstable (or whatever Debian offer via jigdo) and I think this means any architecture also. I suppose I could also download other .iso images for people but this of course does mean it takes me more time to do, contact me if you perhaps want this. Anyhow I will do it for cost, contact me via private mail if you want things, and please make sure you Cc: things to both my work and home address. Thanks Adam

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[Alug]A Holiday Entertainment
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 23 Apr '03

23 Apr '03

Folks, For your amusement during this brief holiday, I offer you the following teaser: Which country has the highest density (i.e. numbers per million of population) of Linux users? And, for seconds: Which country is number 2? (I'll post my answers later. If yours differ from mine, I'd like to know why). Best wishes to all, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 167 1972 Date: 21-Apr-03 Time: 14:07:50 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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[Alug]Announce digest, Vol 2 #4 - 2 msgs
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 23 Apr '03

23 Apr '03

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. Fwd: [Alug]Elmswell meeting on the 27th of this month (MJ Ray) 2. Fwd: Re: [Alug]newbie desktop distros (MJ Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 16:01:11 +0100 (BST) From: mjr(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk (MJ Ray) Subject: [Alug Announce] Fwd: [Alug]Elmswell meeting on the 27th of this month From: Adam Bower <abower(a)thebowery.co.uk> Subject: [Alug]Elmswell meeting on the 27th of this month Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 22:40:28 +0100 Hi all, Just a confirmation that this meeting *is* going to happen. I will update the webpage when I get a chance. The venue is near Bury St Edmunds in Suffolk IIRC. The other meetings at Syleham (also Suffolk) are also still arranged for the same dates as before (Sun May 18th, Sun Aug 17th and Sun 23rd Nov.) Norwich dates are still to be confirmed, I will let everyone know more later. Adam --__--__-- Message: 2 To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 16:47:51 +0100 (BST) From: mjr(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk (MJ Ray) Subject: [Alug Announce] Fwd: Re: [Alug]newbie desktop distros Subject: Re: [Alug]newbie desktop distros From: jmb(a)paston.co.uk (John Billings) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:46:15 +0100 Greetings, On Wed, Apr 16, 2003 at 06:59:23AM +0100, Syd Hancock wrote: > Has anyone used xandros, lindows or any similar distro? Yes - See below. > Very interested in any comments/experiences. > > I do realise all the disadvantages etc for the more knowledgable > user - so pardon the heresy :-) Heh. My mum and dad both now use free-er software than they did when using Microsoft based systems, and both are happy with the increased reliablility. Dad is reasonably eager to learn more about the unlying system - mum cares as little about the under lying system as she did when using windows. Either way i'd score it as a win for Free Software, or at least a scoredraw. I've installed/used Desktop/LX (www.lycoris.com) which is RedHat based, and also the Debian based Xandros (www.xandros.com). Desktop/LX - Downloaded a CD image and burnt it. - Installer: Pretty reasonable. Has auto detected everything on all but one machine i've installed it on - it screwed up on a fairly new and very poor embedded graphics card to the point where i went and got Xandros, of which more later. Partioning was easy enough. IIRC you could choose your user level, and the sorts of things you were likely to want, from which it chose to install various utils and environments. A nice touch is the game of solitare it gives you to play while you wait for the installer to finish. Better than looking at endlessly looping billboards anyway. Desktop: KDE based, with a different icon set - a fancy looking windows XP-alike one. The familiar (to existing users) cogwheel of the KDE 'start' menu is replaced by a flower, and there's a 'My Linux System' type icon on the desktop, which gives access to drives and other bits and pieces. The Kontrol Center has had a new interface added, to make it more XP-ish, grouping the settings panels into wider catagories. Quite friendly if you don't know exactly what you're looking for. By default I think you get 4 desktops, each of which can obviously have different proggies running on them. The default web browser is Mozilla, and the KOffice suite is also provided, IIRC. Updates: Via a graphical interface, but you need to pay to play it seems. I did, and it didn't - this may be because of my downloaded version of the software tho. Novice (linux) User Comments: Dad: "Comfortable looking - obvious where things are." Mum: "Looks like what i used to use." Housemate: "I managed to install it in 40 mins - woah" Windows: If you're interested in windows compatibility, it's not bad - you can easily mount samba shares, and talk to samba printers - you can also run some windows proggies with the supplied version of wine, but in order to get a couple of bits of my dad's software installed I had to download and install a new RPM with the latest version in. License: IIRC, it's entirely Free, but I could be wrong. Xandros - Bought from a UK supplier, who's name i've now forgotten. - Installer: Fantastic - Have yet to trip it up, even on my dodgy new Toys-R-Us laptop everything was detected. Looks slick, and on a blank system with an express install only asks 5 questions before installing the system. An expert install allows more control over partitioning and software to install. One note on partitioning is that the installer does not (yet) allow the resizing of windows partitions, which is contrary to what is said on the box and on the website. Either that or i'm missing something. Which is possible. No game of solitare here either. Desktop: Another KDE clone, this time with a 'Launch' button with the xandros 'X' symbol on it - fairly familiar layout of icons, including a 'My Computer' clone, and a 'network neighborhood' clone. The Xandros File Manager (XFM) is quite cool as graphical file managers go - windows users will be quite at home with it. One interface can be used to copy files between CDs, floppys, HDs, Samba and NFS shares and FTP sites. I also merrily recognised and displayed my Fuji Camera, which acts as a standard USB Mass storage device. You can also do such wonderful things as right clicking on folders in XFM and go to properties, in order to update permissions and share things as samba shares. Internet dialup was easy, once we gave up on an internal winmodem, alltho I have to say that the support we got in trying to get this to work was fantastic. There are 4 desktops set by default, each with a different colouration to let you know where you are easily. Mozilla is the default for web and mail. Koffice and abiword are supplied, and OpenOffice can be easily downloaded from the Xandros Archive, or from a standard Debian repositry. Updates: From xandros or debian apt archives, via a very usable graphical apt tool. Could do with a little bit of interface tweaking to make it a bit more intuitive, but it was worked out fairly quickly. Novice (linux) User Comments: Dad: "Fantastic - very professional looking - wouldn't be out of place in a corporate workplace" Mum: See above Housemate: "no solitare on this installer. that sucks" Windows: Xandros is available in it's more expensive form with Crossover Office, which pretty flawlessly runs a given set of normally windows based software. Once we'd installed a version of wine from deb unstable (which wasn't as hard as it sounds, using the graphical tool) we also managed to run a plethora of dad's accounting and office manager type software. License: This is the sticker - it's not all Free, specifically the Crossover Office and XFM bits. In terms of installation you're allowed to install it on any number of home PCs, and 1 business PC. Hope this helps. Cheers, John -- This space intentionally left blank --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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RE: [Alug]Netbox
by Adam Bower 22 Apr '03

22 Apr '03

> From: Wayne Stallwood [mailto:wayne.stallwood@btinternet.com] > Hacking it is not going to be so easy. > > A Nmap scan shows no ports within the ones that nmap scans, > trying to telnet > to the box results in a connection refused. > Does anybody know of a way to scan all 65535 ports on a host > (yes I know this > is going to take hours) But I am wondering if there is a > useful service > running on a non standard port (thinks of the Zaurus running > it's ftp server > on a strange port) nmap -sU -sS -p 0-65535 -O -v -oN logfile.log netbox.ip.address should give you an udp scan (-sU) and tcp scan (-sS) on all ports (-p 0-65535) with os fingerprinting (-O although you know its linux already) and verbose reporting (-v) and log to a file logfile.log (-oN logfile.log) Should be what you are looking for, note udp scanning against linux could take a very very long time :) Adam

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RE: [Alug]A file system puzzle
by Adam Bower 22 Apr '03

22 Apr '03

> From: Barry Samuels [mailto:barry@beenthere-donethat.org.uk] > > > I want to replace one of the modules (98k) within the file > > > system with > > > one of my own (68k) but always end up with a compressed > file system > > > that is larger than the original and won't fit on the disc. > > > > > > Could someone please explain, to a 'bear of little brain', > > > what I must > > > be doing wrong? > > > > Sounds like the "smaller" module is making the archive less > > compressable. > > That doesn't explain why deleting a file and not replacing it > makes the > resultant compressed file system larger. <stabbing at clues in the dark> Hmmm, ok what could be happening is that the file is being deleted from the directory indices but the space on disk is never overwritten with blank data but still has the original file there just no longer referenced by the filesystem. This change in the indices etc. causes the compression algorithm to make a bigger file as there is still data at the same point on the disk. You could perhaps try creating a new "empty" loopback filesystem and then copying the data between the two and trying to compress that to see what happens. In short thats a guess, apart from that I don't know you could always try asking on a compression newsgroup :) > > Try gzip -9 for the best compression (and slowest) and see if that > > helps it > > fit. > > I've been using -9 all along. Ummmm, try -8 ;) actually you could try all of them to see if the archives to get smaller with greater levels of compression. ISTR that in some cases using a "greater" compression ratio can cause a file to end up bigger than using a lesser one. Adam Adam

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[Alug]Norwich evening meeting announcement.
by Syd Hancock 22 Apr '03

22 Apr '03

First Norwich evening meeting will be held on thursday 1st May in the Forum coffee bar from 8pm. Everyone welcome of course. Don't worry if you're not a techie, neither am I. No particular theme, just an opportunity for linux users in the area to begin to connect face to face. Hopefully this will become a regular monthly occurrence although day and venue may well change over the next few months. If you are intending to be there, please would you contact me off-list to give some idea of numbers? I think my kids have a toy penguin somewhere to act as a rallying point - if they'll let me borrow it of course :-) Syd

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RE: [Alug]A file system puzzle
by Adam Bower 22 Apr '03

22 Apr '03

> From: Barry Samuels [mailto:barry@beenthere-donethat.org.uk] > If I delete a file when the file system is mounted then unmount and > re-gzip I end up with something that is larger than the > origianl which > doesn't seem to make sense to me. > > I want to replace one of the modules (98k) within the file > system with > one of my own (68k) but always end up with a compressed file system > that is larger than the original and won't fit on the disc. > > Could someone please explain, to a 'bear of little brain', > what I must > be doing wrong? Sounds like the "smaller" module is making the archive less compressable. Try gzip -9 for the best compression (and slowest) and see if that helps it fit. Adam

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RE: [Alug]RH9 Opinions?
by Adam Bower 22 Apr '03

22 Apr '03

> From: Martyn Drake [mailto:martyn@drake.org.uk] > In my industry we have little choice over what distros we can > use, simply > because when you purchase expensive things like Maya or > Pixar's Renderman, > you're tied to what they support and both these products will > only support > Red Hat 7.2 and 7.3 at the time of writing. People have > tried Debian with > RenderMan only to have been told that it's not supported in > any way shape or > form. Of course, it's not just the industry that I work in > that has this > problem. I'm sure that most commercial Linux software Not supported doesn't mean it won't work though :) The Matrix was rendered with renderman (and other bits) running on FreeBSD through the Linux compatability system. What I found with the movie industry was that people were unwilling to try things which were "unsupported" as they equated it with "not working". Adam

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[Alug]A file system puzzle
by Barry Samuels 22 Apr '03

22 Apr '03

I am trying to change the contents of a bootable floppy to include a specific module. On the floppy is a file 'miniroot.gz' which I have copied to my hard drive. I can gunzip the file and mount the resultant file system 'miniroot' using mount -o loop. If I unmount, without changing anything, and re-gzip the file the result is the same as the original. If I delete a file when the file system is mounted then unmount and re-gzip I end up with something that is larger than the origianl which doesn't seem to make sense to me. I want to replace one of the modules (98k) within the file system with one of my own (68k) but always end up with a compressed file system that is larger than the original and won't fit on the disc. Could someone please explain, to a 'bear of little brain', what I must be doing wrong? Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain

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[Alug]booting Gentoo install
by Glen Tyler 22 Apr '03

22 Apr '03

wanting to try a new configurable linux I have been sent a gentoo x86 1.4 rc3 CD. At the top level there is one file livecd.cloop and two directories gentoo - (containing the three level tarballs) and isolinux (with initrd and gentoo.lss files in it among others). I'm guessing that the livecd.cloop file should be a boot.img or something like it as I don't think that gentoo can be installed unless you can boot from the CD. Normally (i.e. never before) I have no problem booting from CD's. Can anyone give any pointers? Glen

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[Alug]Netbox
by Wayne Stallwood 22 Apr '03

22 Apr '03

I was at an Auction in Ipswich today and I spotted two boxed Netgem Netbox's (A Web/eMail Set Top Box thingy) Nearly walked past them but then a Penguin on the box caught my eye (They run Linux 2.2.something) Imagine my disappointment when I discovered that they were an unsold lot from a previous auction waiting for collection by the seller. Anyway a quick chat with the Auctioneer afterwards had me getting them for reserve (£15 each) One is missing it's Smart Card (and they seem to need this in some way) but the other is booting fine. I have no interest in STB's but given that these have Linux, an ethernet interface, sound, TV out and a remote keyboard. I figure that as a toy to hack around with they may fill a rainy night (not that we seem to be getting those at the moment) I am away for the weekend so can't play until sometime next week, but would the list be interested in me posting details of what I find ?

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[Alug]Spell checking greyed-out in Sylpheed-Claws
by Ian Douglas 21 Apr '03

21 Apr '03

Hi folks, I have just installed sylpheed-claws 0.8.11 on my PC but the "spelling" option is greyed out in the compose window. If I type "which aspell" (or ispell) my system confirms that they are installed in /usr/bin so I am not sure why the spell checking function is not available within Sylpheed. Does anyone have any ideas about what I need to tweak in order to get this function working? Ian.

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[Alug]Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 21 Apr '03

21 Apr '03

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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[Alug]Debian 'Testing' CD images
by Barry Samuels 21 Apr '03

21 Apr '03

Does anyone possess the above and would they be prepared to create CDs for me if I provide the blank CDs and cover any costs involved. I have only a 56k modem connection and I think that downloading these CDs would take rather a long time! Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain

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RE: [Alug] Newsforge: NVIDIA's Latest Drivers and the Quadro FX
by Adam Bower 21 Apr '03

21 Apr '03

> From: MJ Ray [mailto:markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk] > > Oh. I just had someone raving at me about the latest ATI > cards (currently > out around the 250-300 quid mark?) but I don't think even > their support is > full under free software at the moment. Their "offical" support is non-free the same as Nvidia and from what I have heard is far worse in both terms of what capabilities they give you and the installer is very rpm focused. As for what they actually give the free software community so that people can work on to support their products it looks about the same as Nvidia, i.e. not much. and they certainly are giving nothing important away. :( Adam

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Zauruss (Zaurui?)
by BenE 17 Apr '03

17 Apr '03

Does anyone know of a place in Norwich that sells the Sharp Zaurus PDA pls? I've been looking to buy one for a while now and since they are *relatively* cheap, as I've discovered tonight, I'm even more tempted :-) Has anyone had any experience of them? I assume being linux based there would be no problems connecting my desktop to it. I've now realised that's prolly quite a big assumption, hmm? *googles* cheers, BenE

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[Alug]Free Ink-carts for Linux printers!
by Edenyard 17 Apr '03

17 Apr '03

I have here three inkjet cartridges which are unused and unwanted - they're free to a good home. (All "compatible" types and made by JR): 1 off black for Epson Stylus 400/800/800+/1000 2 off colour for Epson Stylus Color II/IIs/820 To make this message legal, they must be used with Linux printers!! They're lightweight, so I could post - alternatively they could be collected from Martlesham. Please contact me off-list if interested. Cheers, Gerald.

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RE: [Alug]Elmswell meeting on the 27th of this month
by Adam Bower 17 Apr '03

17 Apr '03

> From: MJ Ray [mailto:markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk] > Adam, I think you are OK to send me patches for the web site? > Who else wants to write pages for the web site? Yes, I am set for patches and getting things up to date, I have a copy of the website on the laptop and it builds for me so maybe I will get something done this weekend. As for Elmswell and speakers, I havn't been able to get anything done yet. One other bit of Alug trivia people may want to know is that I have spoken to O'Reilly about review copies of books etc. and they are going to keep in touch with me and sort something out I think. more as and when... Adam

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