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DreamW***er users
by MJ Ray 08 Feb '04

08 Feb '04

Hi, I'm looking for some former DreamW***er users to help test a visual web site editor. Please send me an email off-list if you're interested. I will, of course, summarise the test outcome to the list. (Sorry about the *s, but dealing with its output seems to have harmed me.) -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. Please http://remember.to/edit_messages on lists to be sure I read http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef(a)jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/

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Debian apt-get upgrade question
by Nick Heppleston 07 Feb '04

07 Feb '04

Morning all, Hope you can help. Started playing with Debian after deciding it was time I got upto speed with it. I've just gone for an 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get upgrade' and received the following warning (see below). Could anyone help decipher it for me. As far as I can see i'm running kernel 2.4.18-1-386 already, so how come the apt-get upgrade command wants to upgrade my kernel to the current version? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Nick <snip> You are attempting to install a kernel image (version 2.4.18-1-386) However, the directory /lib/modules/2.4.18-1-386 still exists. If this directory belongs to a previous kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386 package, and if you have deselected some modules, or installed standalone modules packages, this could be bad. However, if this directory exists because you are also installing some stand alone modules right now, and they got unpacked before I did, then this is pretty benign. Unfortunately, I can't tell the difference. If /lib/modules/2.4.18-1-386 belongs to a old install of kenel-image-2.4.18-1-386, this is your last chance to abort the installation of this kernel image (nothing has been changed yet). If this directory is because of stand alone modules being installed right now, or if it does belong to an older kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386 package but you know what you are doing, and if you feel that this image should be installed despite this anomaly, Please answer n to the question. Otherwise, I suggest you move /lib/modules/2.4.18-1-386 out of the way, perhaps to /lib/modules/2.4.18-1-386.old or something, and then try re-installing this image. </snip> -- Nick Heppleston 07989 581766 | nickheppleston(a)gmx.co.uk

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konqueror and plugins
by Bryce Martin 07 Feb '04

07 Feb '04

Content-Type=message/rfc822 Content-Description=embedded message From: Paul <bdi-emc(a)ntlworld.com> To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [ALUG] plugins & KDE Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 17:53:04 +0000 >Hi Bryce >Having just experienced KDE hanging during one of the initial stages of >startup, you may want to try running ldconfig.. It solved the problem I was >having. >Regards, Paul. On Thursday 05 February 2004 12:32 am, Bryce Martin wrote: > konqueror and navigator have stopped playing video files on bbc websites that > they were playing without the slightest trouble last week. -- Thanks for the tip Paul but I need to know how to run idconfig. I mean, I tried typing idconfig as root and a user at the command line, but nothing happens of course. What do I need to do? The thing is that all the plugins (realplayer and the like) are already present and correct on my system. Last week konqueror and navigator used them properly and realplayer did it's job. Somehow, the system has got itself confused and thinks the plugins are not present (or something like that because it prompts me to download them). This is one aspect of linux that really annoys me. Everything is set up correctly and working one week, and the next things stop working for no apparent reason. Anyway, if you can give me as much detail about running or doing this idconfig thing, I would be very grateful. Regards, -- Bye, Bryce.

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Has anyone used Linphone ?
by bsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 07 Feb '04

07 Feb '04

I have set up Linphone, the Internet SIP telephone software, and my brother, who is also using Linphone can call me but I can't call him. If I run it from a terminal window there are no error messages but the call just times out. I can call a computer on the internal network without problems. I, and my brother, are using ADSL and I have a 4-port ethernet router with a firewall enabled. The firewall is set to allow anything out and the appropriate ports (5060 & 7078) are open for incoming calls. If I call my own internal address I get a popup window saying 'User is busy' but if I call my own external (Internet) address I get nothing and it eventually times out. I have now run out of ideas (doesn't take much) and would very much appreciate any new suggestions. Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain

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plugins & KDE
by Bryce Martin 07 Feb '04

07 Feb '04

KDE and navigator have stopped playing video files on bbc websites that they were playing without the slightest trouble last week. They both have the relevant plugin installed and available which is the audio/x-pn-realaudio-plugin and I don't understand why neither will recognise they have the ability to play the files. This is very frustrating because everything worked fine last week. I have checked that the mime files are present and correct, and I've restarted my computer a few times to see if that might fix things, and now I don't know what to do. The computer tells me I need to download Realplayer, but it is already installed on my machine. Can anyone help? -- Bye, Bryce.

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Re: main digest, Vol 3 #36 - 6 msgs
by Richard Bensley 05 Feb '04

05 Feb '04

Thanks to Richard and Wayne for replying about the Gentoo Distro's. A copy of gentoo is currently coming my way. Cheers guys for the help. (just wait till I start pestering about how to install it!)

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Re: [ALUG] Hi
by Edenyard 05 Feb '04

05 Feb '04

Ian Bell wrote: > I use it for circuit design and PCB layout i.e 2.5D Hope you don't mind me being nosey, Ian, but which package do you use for PCB layout? Is it well-sorted? I'm still on an old DOS package that needs a stupid dongle on an LPT port and I'd dearly like to get shot of it. Not too sure how I'd get on moving all my old designs over, though.... Whilst we're on the subject, would you happen to know/recommend anything that runs on Linux that could read Orcad 3.11 (DOS) .SCH files? Cheers, Gerald.

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Thursday meeting - change of venue?
by Syd Hancock 05 Feb '04

05 Feb '04

Unless there is suddenly a lot of disagreement at the last minute, this month's thursday evening meeting next week (12th Feb) will be at The City Gate on Dereham Road. If anyone wants to debate this any further, now is your chance. I will assume that no response means no disagreement. Regards Syd

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Re: [ALUG] Does anyone recognise themselves here?
by Dennis Dryden 04 Feb '04

04 Feb '04

Oi! its not me thankx =-). Im: cpc1-norw1-6-0-cust125.pete.cable.ntl.com ...and your looking for: cpc1-norw2-3-0-cust125.pete.cable.ntl.com ... and as far as i know thats not me. Isnt this just a windows email client exploit? There have been about 30 such emails that ive received in Ximian Evolution on Debian Testing but isnt this a windows virus. Also what does it mean when traceroute shows some stars for one of the lines(hops?) or lots of them? its not me :-P, - Dennis Dryden

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Hi
by Richard Bensley 04 Feb '04

04 Feb '04

Hey all, My name is Richard. I'm new (duh!). I am slowly moving my workflow over to linux. Currently I am using SUSE 8.2. I am trying to work my way towards Gentoo (If anyone has the CD's for gentoo, I'd really appreciate a copy, just a name a price for cd's etc). My main use for computers is 3D modelling and 2D image editing, in september I am starting a Games Design degree at the Norwich School of Art. Does anyone else at ALUG use any form of linux as part of their 2D/3D workflow?

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RE: [ALUG] Hi
by Richard Lewis 04 Feb '04

04 Feb '04

>Hey all, My name is Richard. I'm new (duh!). I am slowly moving my >workflow over to linux. Currently I am using SUSE 8.2. I am trying to work >my way towards Gentoo (If anyone has the CD's for gentoo, I'd really >appreciate a copy, just a name a price for cd's etc). I could d'load some ISOs for you (I'm on the UEA network!) >My main use for computers is 3D modelling and 2D image editing, in >september I am starting a Games Design degree at the Norwich School of >Art. Does anyone else at ALUG use any form of linux as part of their 2D/3D >workflow? You should have a look at http://www.blender3d.org. Unfortunately you've just missed an eleven month tutorial on Blender in LXF though the Blender foundation do publish a book. The download is only a few Mbs and its easy to install. Cheers, Richard

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Microsoft Addresses Security Concerns....
by Robert Tillyard 02 Feb '04

02 Feb '04

...with these posters. http://www.microsoft.com/education/?ID=SecurityPosters It's cheaper than fixing the problem. Regards, Rob.

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Suse 9.0 Disc 2
by Nick Daniels 02 Feb '04

02 Feb '04

Hi Could anybody could make me a copy of Suse 9.0 disc 2 , mine seems to be giving package errors. I will reimburse media and postage, please contact me off list. at the moment there seems to be up to a two day delay with Freeserve's email Regards Nick Daniels

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 02 Feb '04

02 Feb '04

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Re: [ALUG] Lucent hardware modem
by Richard Lewis 01 Feb '04

01 Feb '04

Ah ha! I've got it! KPPP lists the devices /dev/modem, /dev/ttyS0-3 but these don't all exist on my machine. What I do have, however, is /dev/ttyS[0,1,4]. So I tried # ln -s /dev/ttys[0,1,4] /dev/modem and, finally, ttyS4 worked! (Without any drivers or anything; it definitely is a hardware modem!) Cheers for suggestions, Richard

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Does anyone recognise themselves here?
by Kirsten Naylor 01 Feb '04

01 Feb '04

I just received what is probably a copy of MyDoom. It looks like it might be somebody on Alug: Received: from cpc1-norw2-3-0-cust125.pete.cable.ntl.com (HELO mdmbill.com) (81.100.212.125) by tuschin.blackcatnetworks.co.uk with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 10:43:42 -0000 Note that mdmbill.com is not work-safe. If you recognise yourself as the sender, you probably want to clean up your computer and install some anti-virus software :) /Kirsten

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MySQL Hot Failover
by James Green 01 Feb '04

01 Feb '04

Evening all, We have a requirement to turn some MySQL databases into something more rugged - specifically fully redundant. The best option I think would be a small cluster - with one single IP address to connect to (VRRP?), multiple hardware behind it, each node fully synchronised with its peers. Problem: how? MySQL Master/slave replication isn't what I'm looking for. Googling turns up a couple of commercial solutions: emicnetworks.com openminds.co.uk But they are proprietary and could cause problems by themselves. Has anyone here looked into this, or better solved the problem and if so how? Thanks, James P.S. Got my USB camera working - needed scsi disk support in the kernel - doh!

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wi-fi smugness :-)
by Syd Hancock 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

Finally, after a lot of faffing about [1] - sending from Norwich station using the BTOpenzone free trial. It's great when things finally work, isn't it! [1] mainly because the username and password that was sent to me a few days ago proved not to work... ho hum. Good ol' BT... Fortunately I was able to connect to the BTOpenzone site and re-register to get a new trial ID online. Bit faster than Home Highway, too - pity the battery is running out - oh the joys of mobile computing:-) Syd

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a wi-fi question
by Syd Hancock 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

Is 'Managed' mode the same as 'infrastructure' ? Syd

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Freeserve
by beneboy 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

Has anyone been having problems with freeserve recently? For the last week or so, some mail sent to me from another list has been bouncing with the message... The SMTP Server program > <mail(a)psychoferret.freeserve.co.uk>: site destination queue overflow Which google suggests is due to FS's spool being full up. Some of my outgoing mail hasn't turned up either, could that be the same problem? Tech support's first guess was that it was the other servers spam filter, so I've now replied explaining that it was incoming mail not outgoing...ho hum BenE (a rumour has sprung up that freeserve has implimented a swearing filter which has caused one person I know to send a nasty e-mail and cancel her acount. How I laughed)

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Hardware Modem problem
by Richard Lewis 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

Hello List, Ages ago I started a thread saying that I was trying to get a modem for an MDK machine; well I bought one off eBay the other day but I'm having problems setting it up and wondered whether anyone might be able to help. I've got a Lucent Venus 56KFlex Hardware PCI modem in a low spec (P166, 64Mb RAM) machine running MDK9.2 (kernel 2.4.22-10mdk). I called: # less /proc/pci and got: 00:0f.0 Communication controller: Lucent Microelectronics Venus Modem (V90, 56KFlex) Subsystem: Actiontec Electronics Inc: Unknown device 0480 Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 9 Memory at ffbeb800 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256] I/O ports at f800 [size=256] I/O ports at f400 [size=256] I/O ports at fff0 [size=8] Capabilities: [f8] Power Management version 2 and called: # lspci -nv and got: 00:0f.0 Class 0780: 11c1:0480 Subsystem: 1668:0480 Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 9 Memory at ffbeb800 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256] I/O ports at f800 [size=256] I/O ports at f400 [size=256] I/O ports at fff0 [size=8] Capabilities: [f8] Power Management version 2 So I took this information and called: # setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart 16550A port 0xf400 irq 9 and # setserial /dev/ttyS0 and got: /dev/ttyS0, UART: 16550A, Port: 0xf400, IRQ: 2 This all looked quite hopeful so I fired up KPPP (pppd version 2.4.1) and asked it to query the modem. It just said that the modem would not respond. Any ideas what might be going on? Cheers, Richard

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Norwich evening meet: thursday 12th February 2004
by Syd Hancock 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

The next 'second thursday' Norwich evening social meet will be on Thursday 12th February from 8pm. The venue is still being decided - more news soon with the next reminder. Syd

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For sale, sending or skipping
by MJ Ray 30 Jan '04

30 Jan '04

The following items are surplus to requirements. They are available for a small price or postage (any profit on postage will be donated to the Association For Free Software). More details on request. - Phone/modem line sharer, rings while online : 10 pounds - Printer, Canon BJ-1000, colour or mono, 720dpi IIRC, sheet feeder : 15 pounds - Speakers, unbranded, with PSU : 5 pounds - Trackball, Radioshack, serial 3-button : 10 pounds - Cables, SCSI and IDE, various : POSTAGE - Case, Microland, tower, 150W PSU, 2 drive bays and 1 caddy : POSTAGE - Covers, Belkin USB devices, various colours : POSTAGE - Heatsinks, 2 genuine Athlon MP, 1 K6/2, unused but unboxed : POSTAGE - Monitor, 12" Samtron SC-428VSL(E), can do >800x600 IIRC : COLLECT (K.Lynn) - Mouse, Logitech, serial 3-button, very robust : POSTAGE - Mouse mats, 1 black plastic and 1 grey cloth top : POSTAGE - Mouse, unbranded, PS2 5-button : POSTAGE - Printer, Canon BJ-10e, battery or mains, 360dpi IIRC : POSTAGE - Telephone, can do indirect access, 9 memories : POSTAGE - Telephone number bank, Casio DC-200, 50 number memory, antique? ;) : POSTAGE Any items still here in a month get skipped or given to charity, as appropriate. Maybe much sooner. -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. Please http://remember.to/edit_messages on lists to be sure I read http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef(a)jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/

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Webmail/IMAP etc.
by Chris Green 30 Jan '04

30 Jan '04

Well I'm still exploring my options. Neomail seems to be a quite reasonable Webmail program which will read one's mail from a local mail spool. I hav installed it and it's nearly working but I seem to have an issue with the perl installation at the moment. I'm waiting for my subscription to the Neomail list to become live to ask a question about it. I'm also playing on my home system. I now remember why I have previously steered away from using IMAP4, the problem is that each MUA seems to have its own view of how IMAP4 should work such that it's well nigh impossible to use an IMAP4 server with different MUAs. It turns out that the remote system where I read my mail by ssh'ing in with mutt runs an IMAP4 server, it looks like it's the same one as I have on my Slackware 9.1 system at home. I can't work out what IMAP4 server it is as the manual page doesn't tell you. I got my home one working just now by simply uncommenting the line in /etc/inetd.conf and kicking inet. Using mutt I can access all my mail perfectly, down through quite a deep hierarchy of folders, currently maildirs. This works the same from localhost and the remote system. Mozilla mail fails miserably to access the same mail, it allows me to login to the IMAP server and displays the top level folder of the hierarchy and that's it, no mail messages are visible at all. It also creates a non-existent mailbox/folder called inbox Balsa is just disastrous, it does say it's still experimental and that's the way it looks. -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk)

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Norwich thursday evening venues.
by Syd Hancock 29 Jan '04

29 Jan '04

Two were suggested on sunday. Both are Weatherspoons pubs so have a reasonable selection of beers, no music and good non-smoking areas. The City Gate - corner of Dereham road and the inner ring road. Large pub, tends not to get too full. Plenty of parking nearby. The Glasshouse on Magdelen street. Parking may not be so good but there is some nearby. Has a balcony and garden for the summer. Sounds very pleasant. Does it get packed out? Any comments on these two venues or preferences between them? General rumblings amongst the beer drinkers is that it's time for a change away from the Forum. Not an issue for me but quite happy to move venue to somewhere else that is suitable in the other ways after suitable discussion. Syd

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free wi-fi access this week
by Syd Hancock 29 Jan '04

29 Jan '04

BT is having a promotion this week, offering free wi-fi access at many hot spots. There are a 14 listed in Norwich alone, including the railway station (but not the library). Details and sign-up here: http://www.wirelessbroadbandweek.com/ Syd

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Why are do so many WebMail apps. use IMAP?
by Chris Green 29 Jan '04

29 Jan '04

I've been pottering about some ideas I have for making my mail systems work better together and one of the areas I've been looking at is WebMail applications. Why is it that so many of them use IMAP as the source of the mail they allow you to access? It seems pointless as the whole idea of IMAP is to provide remote access to your E-Mail. If you have a mail client which can read mail using IMAP then you don't need WebMail at all do you? Apart from anything else WebMail tends to be slower and is an unfamiliar interface. Some E-Mail clients even handle POP3 mailboxes 'remotely' quite successfully. (I think it's either xfmail or xcmail that does this) It would make much more sense if WebMail applications allowed you to access mailboxes that *aren't* normally readable remotely. I suppose that a WebMail application means it's easier to access your mail from somewhere that doesn't have your own MUA but that's about all it does. What I'd find really useful is a WebMail application that will let me read a tree of mbox mailboxes on a remote server. -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk)

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cheap quality wi-fi cards on ebay
by Syd Hancock 29 Jan '04

29 Jan '04

Apologies to anyone who thinks this not appropriate. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3455233849&category=31… These are Cisco Aironet 340 cards, very good reputation. Well supported in linux: http://www.goonda.org/wireless/aironet/ (I have no connection with the seller BTW) Syd

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Bitmap Terminals
by Tarquin Mills 27 Jan '04

27 Jan '04

Linux can use dumb terminals and X terminals, but can it use any types of bitmap terminal, say with SVGALib producing the output? Are the any sources for cheap, small foot print ARM based single board computers? -- Tarquin Mills bmud (BitMap UNIX Display) Terminal

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Open source SQL decision
by Vasko Tomanov 27 Jan '04

27 Jan '04

I need to make a decision what SQL server to use the requirements are: 1. to have stored procedure 2. to be Open Source 3. To run on Linux and Windows Some suggestions ? Cheers Vasko

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Norwich sunday meeting report (brief)
by Syd Hancock 27 Jan '04

27 Jan '04

Four people turned up. We met. We chatted. We went home. See, I said it was a brief report :-) Brett Parker, Jonathan 'Noodles' McDowell, Ashley Howe and myself, Syd. Not sure why it was such a low turnout - maybe the time of year, maybe because there was no specific theme to attract people, maybe because people in the Norwich area are getting the linux socialising that they want from the evening meetings. And several of the regulars could not attend for various reasons otherwise it would have been quite a reasonable turn-out. We had a good old chat about many things, including MythTV, building a PVR, mini-itx and Shuttle boxes, and I at least found it interesting and informative. We also discussed possible venues for the thursday evening meetings and I will post separately about that. I have provisionally booked the room for three months' time, the last sunday in April (25th). Syd

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Re: [ALUG] Webmail clinet that supports local maildir mailboxes
by Matt Parker 27 Jan '04

27 Jan '04

On Mon, 2004-01-26 at 08:40, Chris Green wrote: > On Fri, Jan 23, 2004 at 03:59:10PM +0000, Matt Parker wrote: > > On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 13:40, Chris Green wrote: > > > I'm looking for a webmail client that supports reading from a > > > hierarchy of maildir mailboxes on the server where it's installed. > > > > > > I normally read my mail by connecting to the server (using ssh) and > > > running mutt, this will remain my normal way of reading mail but > > > occasionally it's useful to be able to read it using webmail and I'd > > > like to do it using the same maildir hierarchy that I see (and > > > maintain) using mutt. > > > > > > I have found a few possibilities by searching but would appreciate > > > some feedback on whether they are any good, I've found:- > > > > > > NeoMail (appears not to be currently developed) > > > NwebMail > > > oMail-webmail > > > open-Webmail (seems the most likely candidate at the moment) > > > > > > > Personally I use IlohaMail (http://ilohamail.org/) and find it > > excellent. > > > ... but it doesn't work with a local mail spool, only POP3 and IMAP as > far as I can see. So install it on top of qpopper - http://www.eudora.com/qpopper/ - which does read your mail spool. You don't have to open up the POP3 port to your firewall if you're going to connect through localhost from the web mail. Matt -- http://www.mpcontracting.co.uk Experts in Java development and website design

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satire is still dead
by Syd Hancock 26 Jan '04

26 Jan '04

Bill Gates to get a knighthood. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3428673.stm For contributions to British enterprise and poverty relief worldwide. What bollocks. Syd

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Webmail clinet that supports local maildir mailboxes
by Chris Green 26 Jan '04

26 Jan '04

I'm looking for a webmail client that supports reading from a hierarchy of maildir mailboxes on the server where it's installed. I normally read my mail by connecting to the server (using ssh) and running mutt, this will remain my normal way of reading mail but occasionally it's useful to be able to read it using webmail and I'd like to do it using the same maildir hierarchy that I see (and maintain) using mutt. I have found a few possibilities by searching but would appreciate some feedback on whether they are any good, I've found:- NeoMail (appears not to be currently developed) NwebMail oMail-webmail open-Webmail (seems the most likely candidate at the moment) Courier's sqwebmail is no good as it uses courier's silly non-directory based maildirs. Since my maildirs are created by procmail in what I regard as the sensible way sqwebmail won't read them. While I'm about it a good local GUI mail client that reads ordinary Unix mail spools as opposed to POP3 and/or IMAP would be useful too. -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk)

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RE: [ALUG] satire is still dead
by Richard Lewis 26 Jan '04

26 Jan '04

>Bill Gates to get a knighthood. > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3428673.stm > >For contributions to British enterprise and poverty relief >worldwide. > >What bollocks. > >Syd The article says he will not be 'Sir William' but will be allowed to use KBE after his name. Wouldn't it ironic if it was 'K/D/E'?! Or appropriate if it was KNOB... Richard

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 26 Jan '04

26 Jan '04

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Re: Sound (ALSA)
by MJ Ray 25 Jan '04

25 Jan '04

On 2004-01-22 16:09:20 +0000 Kevin Clarke <kg.clarke(a)virgin.net> wrote: > Kernel is 2.4.24 Sound is onboard i810 ? ..... What distribution and version? Mandrake 9.1? Redhat 9.0? Something else? What errors are you getting? If no errors, what do you try that doesn't work? i810 should be fairly straight-forward for ALSA by now (if not perfect), so hopefully this is a simple problem. Please keep ALUG on the CC when you reply (use reply to all/group reply). -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. Please http://remember.to/edit_messages on lists to be sure I read http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef(a)jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/

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ALSA v. the rest
by Syd Hancock 25 Jan '04

25 Jan '04

The recent thread about ALSA prompts me to ask something that I've wondered for some time. What are the differences and relative merits (or otherwise) of ALSA and other ways of producing sound in linux? Is that even an accurate description of ALSA etc? Syd

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FOSS for Libraries HOWTO
by MJ Ray 25 Jan '04

25 Jan '04

You may have read about Bob Kerr's work in getting CDs of Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) into libraries. Because he's moving on to other things, he has allowed me to take over maintenance of his guide and turn it into a HOWTO. I have made a small web page for this and put the latest copy (with source code) at http://www.affs.org.uk/~mjr/libraries/ ALUG is one of the first groups that I have mentioned this to. Please be gentle. Is it just me, or do you have to register to even look at the OO.org issue tracker now? I keep getting bounced to the login screen each session. I hate public bug trackers that do that. -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. Please http://remember.to/edit_messages on lists to be sure I read http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef(a)jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/

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Bash scripting
by Graham Trott 24 Jan '04

24 Jan '04

I have a requirement to process a folder full of files (converting .avi to .mp2 and .m1v, as it happens, en route to DVD authoring). To convert a single file I use the command line lav2wav +p foo.avi | mp2enc -V -o foo.mp2 I find the whole area of regular expressions etc confusing; is there a kind expert who could show how to get the above to work for all the files in a folder, such as for name in *.avi do (How would I do the above with each file?) done In particular, how do I match just the filename and leave off the extension? -- GT

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RE: [ALUG] I'm sure I've asked this before
by Ricky Bruce 24 Jan '04

24 Jan '04

im sure i remember alien as being very helpful when trying to deal with packages from other distros, but its been a while since i used it, check google. >From: beneboy <mail(a)psychoferret.freeserve.co.uk> >To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk >Subject: [ALUG] I'm sure I've asked this before >Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 23:19:20 +0000 > > >If so, then apologies... > >Does anyone know of an easy way to extract the files from a .deb or .rpm? I >want to play around with winex, but the version which gets around copy >protection is only available as a debian or rpm package, and since I'm >using >LFS that isn't much use ;) From the depths of my memory I seem to recall a >program called rpm2gz but google only throws up one result for that can't >be >it... > >anyone? please? > >BenE > >_______________________________________________ >main(a)lists.alug.org.uk >http://www.alug.org.uk/ >http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main >Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo

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Sunday's meeting attendance
by Syd Hancock 24 Jan '04

24 Jan '04

Who is intending to be at the meeting in Norwich on sunday? BTW it is possible that I will not be able to attend and I will not know this until saturday morning. Many apologies if this is the case and I certainly hope to be there. Is there a volunteer to collect in and pay the fifteen pounds room hire charge? Thanks Syd

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I'm sure I've asked this before
by beneboy 24 Jan '04

24 Jan '04

If so, then apologies... Does anyone know of an easy way to extract the files from a .deb or .rpm? I want to play around with winex, but the version which gets around copy protection is only available as a debian or rpm package, and since I'm using LFS that isn't much use ;) From the depths of my memory I seem to recall a program called rpm2gz but google only throws up one result for that can't be it... anyone? please? BenE

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Norwich meeting on Sun.
by Jenny Hopkins 23 Jan '04

23 Jan '04

> On Thu, 2004-01-22 at 06:42, Syd Hancock wrote: > > Who is intending to be at the meeting in Norwich on sunday? I can't make this one, I'm afraid - I have a karate grading from noon onwards on that day. Jen

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Re: Sound (ALSA)
by MJ Ray 22 Jan '04

22 Jan '04

On 2004-01-22 13:54:03 +0000 Kevin Clarke <kg.clarke(a)virgin.net> wrote: > I am having no luck using ALSA and wondered if anyone could help? > Please let me know what you need to know and I will Email it to > you..... Distribution and version: Kernel version: (command "uname -a" should tell you if you don't know) Sound card model/type: Any error messages: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html may suggest other things that might be useful. Sent to ALUG and Kevin, as requested. -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. Please http://remember.to/edit_messages on lists to be sure I read http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef(a)jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/

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Wanted: short talks, posters and demos on web software
by MJ Ray 22 Jan '04

22 Jan '04

As discussed at the last meeting, next month's ALUG meeting in King's Lynn will be on Wed 18 Feb and have the theme: "How The Web Works on GNU/Linux" It will be an introduction to using and creating web sites with GNU/Linux. If you can talk about something related to this for 5-20 minutes, prepare an A2 display or bring a demonstration system, please email me directly. We have some speakers, but I think it's still all quite flexible. You don't need to be a guru, just be willing to share your experiences. Plenty of help is available. Also, if you know that you want to come to the meeting (or help organise it!), please email me. Announcements of this meeting will appear in the town's libraries and computer shops this week. It will also be announced to web sites, mailing lists and newsgroups as normal. -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. Please http://remember.to/edit_messages on lists to be sure I read http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef(a)jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/

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Sound (ALSA)
by David Templer 22 Jan '04

22 Jan '04

Hi , I am having no luck using ALSA and wondered if anyone could help? Please let me know what you need to know and I will Email it to you..... K.Clarke Arch 0.6 KDE 3.1 Linux user Please CC any replies to me thank you you :-)

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RE: [ALUG] favourite URLs
by Richard Lewis 22 Jan '04

22 Jan '04

>The bookmarks.html file is valid html so at the very least you can >display the bookmarks in Konqueror as a web page. >-- >Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) >Konqueror keeps its bookmarks in ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/bookmarks.xml. > >The XML element for a bookmark is like this: > ><bookmark icon="/path/to/icon.png" href="http://www.coolsite.net/" > > <title>Cool Site</title> ></bookmark> So you could use XSL to transform the Netscape HTML to Konqueror XML. Let me know if you need to do this and want some help! Cheers, Richard

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Announce digest, Vol 3 #2 - 1 msg
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 22 Jan '04

22 Jan '04

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. ALUG meeting in Norwich on sunday (Syd Hancock) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Syd Hancock <syd(a)toufol.com> To: ALUG <main(a)lists.alug.org.uk> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 07:19:30 +0100 Cc: ALUG Announce <announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk> Subject: [Alug Announce]ALUG meeting in Norwich on sunday ALUG SUNDAY MEETING Next meeting in Norwich this coming weekend on sunday 25th=20 January. 2pm onwards in the Nelson Room at The Billy Blue Light=20 pub, Hall Road, Norwich.=20 The Billy is at the city end of Hall road and is not far from the=20 bus station, just off the inner ring road.=20 If coming north up the A140, Hall road is the first right just after=20 the first traffic lights off the A47. Keep going right to the end=20 as Hall Road is long. Detailed info including directions and a streetmap are on the=20 website here:=20 http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/bbl.html There is no specific topic or talk planned. Bring kit as this is a=20 general ALUG meet for installation, configuration and=20 sunday-afternoon-in-a-pub socialising :-) Bring extension leads etc if power is required as I don't yet know=20 what sockets etc are available. Room hire is =A315 so please bring a=20 bit of spare change towards the costs.=20 OTHER PLANNED MEETINGS Next Norwich sunday meeting is currently planned for the end of=20 April 2004. Current plans are to hold a full ALUG sunday meeting=20 every three months. Norwich monthly meetings continue on the second thursday of the=20 month and the current venue is the Forum coffee bar, 8pm. Next date=20 is 12th February. NOTE The webpages for meetings around the region have been extensively=20 reworked recently - many thanks, Mark.=20 Regards Syd --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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RE: [ALUG] favourite URLs
by Richard Lewis 21 Jan '04

21 Jan '04

>Can I somehow transfer all the favourite bookmarks I've set up in Netscape >7.1 and copy them all to a location so that they will appear ready to go in >Konqueror? I was thinking there may be a folder in Koquerer where I just need >to copy these URLs. I've tried finding them in Netscape without success, and >I also don't know where to place them in Konqueror to make them work. Konqueror keeps its bookmarks in ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/bookmarks.xml. The XML element for a bookmark is like this: <bookmark icon="/path/to/icon.png" href="http://www.coolsite.net/" > <title>Cool Site</title> </bookmark> It also has a <folder> element for defining folders in the favourites menu. That might be helpful?? Cheers, Richard

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favourite URLs
by Bryce Martin 21 Jan '04

21 Jan '04

Can I somehow transfer all the favourite bookmarks I've set up in Netscape 7.1 and copy them all to a location so that they will appear ready to go in Konqueror? I was thinking there may be a folder in Koquerer where I just need to copy these URLs. I've tried finding them in Netscape without success, and I also don't know where to place them in Konqueror to make them work. -- Bye, Bryce.

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Free to a good home
by Wayne Stallwood 21 Jan '04

21 Jan '04

I am starting to have a clearout of some old junk. I think I have offered this to the group before, but this really is the last time before it goes in the skip. HP Deskjet 640c Old now but works fine under Linux using either the Parallel or USB interface, comes with a USB lead, but sorry I don't have a spare Parallel port one. No idea how much ink is in the cartridges, and a vague suspicion that the replacements will cost more than the printer is worth. But I just powered it up and it works fine. If anybody in the Bury St Edmunds area wants to come and take it off my hands I'll even make them a cup of tea.

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3d nvidia graphics support
by Bryce Martin 19 Jan '04

19 Jan '04

I'm using SuSE 9 and my PC has an nVidia MX400 graphics card. My system doesn't have 3d graphics hardware support. This is because SuSE has stopped shipping with this feature, but the manual says you can still download this feature. But I've been to the nvidia site and can't find a driver that will do the job. Does anyone know what to do to get 3d graphics support for SuSE 9? -- Bye, Bryce.

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 19 Jan '04

19 Jan '04

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Re: [ALUG] Re: Finesko & Firkin Pub
by MJ Ray 19 Jan '04

19 Jan '04

On 2004-01-18 14:51:44 +0000 Chris Walker <linux(a)wymondham.demon.co.uk> wrote: > Take a look at http://www.norwichpubs.info/norwichpubs/centpubf.htm > for info Does anyone have a way to contact the owner of that site without using a BraveNet address harvester? -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. Please http://remember.to/edit_messages on lists to be sure I read http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef(a)jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/

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ALUG meeting in Norwich on sunday
by Syd Hancock 19 Jan '04

19 Jan '04

ALUG SUNDAY MEETING Next meeting in Norwich this coming weekend on sunday 25th January. 2pm onwards in the Nelson Room at The Billy Blue Light pub, Hall Road, Norwich. The Billy is at the city end of Hall road and is not far from the bus station, just off the inner ring road. If coming north up the A140, Hall road is the first right just after the first traffic lights off the A47. Keep going right to the end as Hall Road is long. Detailed info including directions and a streetmap are on the website here: http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/bbl.html There is no specific topic or talk planned. Bring kit as this is a general ALUG meet for installation, configuration and sunday-afternoon-in-a-pub socialising :-) Bring extension leads etc if power is required as I don't yet know what sockets etc are available. Room hire is £15 so please bring a bit of spare change towards the costs. OTHER PLANNED MEETINGS Next Norwich sunday meeting is currently planned for the end of April 2004. Current plans are to hold a full ALUG sunday meeting every three months. Norwich monthly meetings continue on the second thursday of the month and the current venue is the Forum coffee bar, 8pm. Next date is 12th February. NOTE The webpages for meetings around the region have been extensively reworked recently - many thanks, Mark. Regards Syd

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Re: [ALUG] Re: Finesko & Firkin Pub
by Matt Parker 18 Jan '04

18 Jan '04

On Sun, 2004-01-18 at 14:51, Chris Walker wrote: > If you want a pub for a meal, take a look at the Kings Head on Hall Rd. You > can order a meal from the bar and they will have it delivered, a curry is not > available but a chinese or fish & chips are. The pub then provides cutlery, > plates and condiments. Curry is available now - there's a new Indian Takeaway opened just round the corner on Queen's Road - Saffron I think it's called. I was at the King's Arms just last night and I would definitely recommend it for a meeting (and not just because I live about 5 mins walk away!!) I should hopefully be able to make the 25th January meeting wherever it is. Matt -- http://www.mpcontracting.co.uk Experts in Java development and website design

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RPM resource for SuSE users
by Graham Trott 18 Jan '04

18 Jan '04

In case other SuSE users haven't seen it, there's a very good SuSE-only RPM resource at http://packman.links2linux.org/ I've found it particularly useful for multimedia applications and GUI front-ends. Such as dvd:rip and kino, the latter being a video editor I found impossible to compile from source. -- GT

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Re: Finesko & Firkin Pub
by Bryce Martin 18 Jan '04

18 Jan '04

On Sat, 2004-01-17 at 11:26, Bryce Martin wrote: > Brett Parker and I visited the Reindeer (or Finesko & Firkin) pub on Thursday > evening this week to see what it was like as an alternative venue to the > Forum Bar. In our opinion the Reindeer is totally unsuitable and could not be > used to host a meeting of alug. > In our humble opinion it would be far better to continue using the Forum Bar. Just out of interest for what reasons was it not suitable? Adam ................ We thought it was unsuitable because of load music, very poor lighting (too dark), and finally poor or unsuitable seating and general layout of seating. I think it would be difficult to get everyone around one table, and you can't really bring tables together like you can at the Forum Bar to expand seating as more people arrive. But importantly the atmosphere was just completely wrong for a meeting (of alug). Just a thought. We left the Firkin pub pretty quickly and went across the road to the City Gate Weatherspoon pub. It has the right atmosphere for a meeting in my opinion. The seating and lighting are very good and tables can be brought together. There is no music but the place has a lively congenial atmosphere. As an added bonus you can get a curry if you're hungry. -- Bye, Bryce.

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Finding website owners
by Syd Hancock 18 Jan '04

18 Jan '04

Is it possible to find the name of the owner of a .com domain? I tried whois on internic but that only shows the registraar. The domain I'm interested in is 01508broadband.com which is apparently a campaign for our local exchange (which is great) but has no named contact (which is puzzling). BTW here is a site with a *lot* of info for anyone following the broadband saga - for example here is the page for our exchange: http://www.samknows.com/broadband/detail.php?exch=4553 Graphs, stats, links... and lots of good info on the opening page. Syd

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Thoughts on dial-up ISPs?
by Edenyard 18 Jan '04

18 Jan '04

Does anyone on here still use dial-up ISPs? I've been using Onetel but I'd like to give them the Big 'E', so I've been looking out for a replacement. Any ideas? I happened across an outfit called Highstream and they actually acknowledge the existence of Linux, which seems somewhat unusual. Has anyone ever heard of them? Thanks for any ideas! Gerald. P.S. Before anyone asks: I live in the half of the Martlesham Heath estate that CAN'T get broadband....

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Finesko & Firkin Pub
by Bryce Martin 17 Jan '04

17 Jan '04

Brett Parker and I visited the Reindeer (or Finesko & Firkin) pub on Thursday evening this week to see what it was like as an alternative venue to the Forum Bar. In our opinion the Reindeer is totally unsuitable and could not be used to host a meeting of alug. In our humble opinion it would be far better to continue using the Forum Bar. -- Bye, Bryce.

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Mozilla - two questions
by Chris Green 16 Jan '04

16 Jan '04

A couple of simple questions about mozilla (I'm running version 1.4 at the moment):- Is there a list of the 'about:*' things that you can enter as URLs anywhere? They are incredibly useful but I can't remember them. The only one I can remember is "about:plugins" Sort of follows on, where/how does mozilla decide what file type suffixes it recognises? My mozilla at work recognises .jfif files but my copy at home doesn't. I've searched Google for the above and I've looked at www.mozilla.org but haven't had much joy. -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk)

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Re: my recent mozilla query
by Chris Green 16 Jan '04

16 Jan '04

If you remember yesterday (I think) I asked about what 'about:' URLs were available in mozilla. Well the latest version of mozilla (1.6) has 'about:about' which lists them all for you - they must have heard me! :-) -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk)

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Server side (CGI, perl, etc.) photo album application
by Chris Green 16 Jan '04

16 Jan '04

Can anyone recommend a CGI (or other) server side application for managing images (and possibly text documents)? What I want is a very simple way to be able to navigate a hierarchy of directories with photos in them without having to (re)write HTML whenever pictures are added or moved around. The directory hierarchy will provide all the indexing I want. E.G. I want a directory hierachy on my web server with the top level directory called, say, "pictures". I will then create subdirectories under "pictures" such as "dogs", "horses", "housesInFrance", etc. I want the server side script to enable me to navigate the directories easily, so when I go to http://www.my.server/pictures I would expect to automatically see a link to "dogs", and if I navigto "dogs" I want to see the pictures that are in that directory. Thinking about it I doubt if this can be done dynamically but a script to autogenerate all the required linking HTML would be OK, it can be run whenever the picture hierarchy is changed. I suppose even more wonderful would be a way to 'drop' images and such onto a web page and they will be FTPed up to the server and added to the phot album - however that does seem a little too good to be true. -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk)

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problem with command line arguments
by Vasko Tomanov 15 Jan '04

15 Jan '04

1. The code lives in a library 2. The library that it lives in does not include the main() function because that will be in the users code. 3. The users code in this case is wxWindows based and so the main() function isn't actually written by the user anyway, but this is a side-issue and I don't want the library to assume that the user is wxWindows-based 4. There is no main() function available for the user to customize. This means that there is no main() function, so how can the user store the argv[] somewhere? 6. But I need to have available for my part of code all the command line arguments Some Ideas ?

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Re: [ALUG] SuSE Update
by Wayne Stallwood 15 Jan '04

15 Jan '04

On Thursday 15 January 2004 10:28, Graham Trott wrote: > Ah, it must be that I have my system set for daily auto update, so I > already have it. On this system uname -a is reporting > > Linux main 2.4.21-166-athlon #1 Thu Dec 18 18:24:05 UTC 2003 i686 athlon > i386 GNU/Linux > > which is some way beyond the 144 you were offered. > > -- GT Ok thanks to those kind souls who responded I have solved this problem. It would appear that YaST had gotten itself all confused, the clue was why was my system trying to download a older kernel version than the one that is currently available. Surely it didn't need to install the patches incrementally when it looks like the patch is the whole kernel ? Then I noticed that the progress bar was going up to 14% downloaded very quickly and then I was getting the error. It turns out that had been halfway though downloading 144 when it was interrupted somehow, when it was trying to resume the download it was failing (for whatever reason). So by using lsof to find out where YaST hides it's download cache I was able to delete the partially downloaded kernel and then bingo on the next try YaST offered 166. New problem became obvious though, Why does my system report linux 2.4.21-166-default #1 Thu Dec 18 18:23:14 UTC 2003 i686 athlon i386 GNU/ Linux Yet YaST said it was downloading the Athlon kernel, it's been saying default ever since I upgraded from 8.0 (which admittedly was running a kernel I had recompiled)

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USB Camera
by James Green 15 Jan '04

15 Jan '04

Hi all, I was given a USB camera for Christmas. It is not supported by the latest gphoto2, however a not dissimliar sounding model is. I cannot get gphoto2 to recognise the camera, although 'lsusb' sees it, as for 'usbview' as a "Trust 715 LCD Powerc@m Zoom". This thing can be treated as a removable USB Mass Storage Device. Yet I cannot even mount. cdrecord --scanbus lists it as: scsibus2: 2,0,0 200) 'Trust ' '715 LCD POWERC@M' '1.00' Removable Disk Could someone lend me some clue as to how to at least mount the camera as a disk drive so I can get the photos on it? I might poke the gphoto2 folkes about experimenting with drivers too. Thanks, James

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FW: [Sheflug] The Economics of Open Source Software - Prospects,
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 15 Jan '04

15 Jan '04

This just arrived from Shef-lug. I probably won't be able to go along to it (unfortunately -- it would be interesting to observe the audience). However, maybe someone might manage it ... I was going to froward it to Clug too, but can't find their address for the moment ... Cheers, Ted. -----FW: <20040114220107.GA1354(a)lagodelbonso.demon.co.uk>----- Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:01:07 +0000 Sender: shef-lug-admin(a)list.sheflug.org.uk From: Simon Brown <simon(a)cliffestones.demon.co.uk> To: "shef-lug(a)list.sheflug.org.uk" <shef-lug(a)list.sheflug.org.uk> Subject: [Sheflug] The Economics of Open Source Software - Prospects, Pitfalls and Politics [tbm(a)cyrius.com] >From debian-uk, food for thought? > MICROSOFT RESEARCH LECTURE > This is a PUBLIC lecture > ________________________________ > > TITLE: The Economics of Open Source Software - Prospects, Pitfalls and > Politics > SPEAKER: Dr Stefan Kooths > INSTITUTION: University of Muenster > HOST: Alexander Braendle, University Relations > DATE: 15 January 2004 > TIME: 13:30 - 14:30 > MEETING ROOM: Lecture Theatre > ADDRESS: Microsoft Research Ltd, 7 J J Thomson Avenue (Off Madingley > Road), Cambridge > > Open Source Software does not represent a suitable alternative to the > commercial software market from an economic point of view, neither in > terms of creating value-added nor in terms of economic efficiency. OSS > does not create any new value-added potential, and offers only a > fraction of the opportunities of the commercial market. The impact of > OSS on sales and employment are therefore less than the effects of > commercial software. Furthermore the de facto free availability of > GPL-licensed software, and hence the lack of a market price, have > far-reaching economic consequences that are elaborated in the > presentation. As far as packaged software is concerned its free > availability very much limits the creation of profits, income, jobs or > taxes. The loss of turnover in the area of software sales cannot be > fully recovered with services linked to the software. So-called > complementary OSS-business models work in the smaller customized > software sector only. The incomes earned there are substitutive and not > additional to those created in the commercial software sector. The lack > of cost-reflecting prices for GPL-licensed standard software also has > consequences for the market process as the pricing mechanism is > associated with an important information and coordination function in a > market economy. If there is no price, and hence no decisive guide figure > for a market, it is, for example, more difficult to identify customer > requirements. Further problems can be identified when it comes to the > allocation of resources, productivity-oriented factor compensation and > incentives for innovations. The lower value-added potential and the > reduced efficiency of coordination are weighty economic arguments. They > demonstrate quite clearly that the promotion of open-source software > cannot be an economically justifiable role for the state. ___________________________________________________________________ Sheffield Linux User's Group - http://www.sheflug.co.uk/mailfaq.html GNU the choice of a complete generation. --------------End of forwarded message------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 167 1972 Date: 14-Jan-04 Time: 23:44:11 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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SuSE Update
by Wayne Stallwood 15 Jan '04

15 Jan '04

Is anybody else running SuSE 9.0 here ? When I try to get the kernel bug fix update from YOU, using any of the selectable sources I get the following error ERROR(You:RPM has invalid signature.) All of the other updates go on fine, only the Kernel package. Is there something wrong with the kernel package at SuSE, or has my system somehow obtained an invalid signature that it is comparing the Kernel package to ?

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I managed to delete half my operation system yesterday
by bsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 14 Jan '04

14 Jan '04

I managed to accidentally delete a lot of my operation system yesterday. Having restored it from my backups some minor problems have come to light. I use a combination of 'Find' and 'Afio' but have realised that Find does not pass empty directories to Afio thus causing some software to fail until the directories are recreated e.g. apache and /etc/apache/conf.d. Is there any way I can get Find to include empty directories as well as all others? Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain

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Cocked up telephone DDOS?
by Keith Watson 14 Jan '04

14 Jan '04

Here's one that'll make you smile. I can't be to specific because of commercial confidentially issues. We recieved a number of support calls yesterday from private users. They had been complaining to BT about charges incurred when their computers repeatedly dialed the access number of an ISP that they didn't use (in fact most of them didn't know it was an ISP number). BT in their usual cock-eyed way had spotted that we are a customer of this ISP and told the users that it was a number assigned to our business. It wasn't, in fact it was nothing to do with us. We told the users to check for viruses. However the circumstances made us suspicious that some script kiddy somewhere was trying a sort of telephonic DDOS against the ISP. The killer is that the number used was an 0845 number. :o) Keith

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Announce digest, Vol 3 #1 - 1 msg
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 14 Jan '04

14 Jan '04

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. Meeting: King's Lynn, 14 Jan (MJ Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 12:41:10 +0000 From: MJ Ray <mjr(a)dsl.pipex.com> To: ALUG <main(a)lists.alug.org.uk> Cc: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk, peterboro(a)mailman.lug.org.uk Organization: Very poor Subject: [Alug Announce]Meeting: King's Lynn, 14 Jan Hello all, The next ALUG meeting is booked in King's Lynn on Wednesday 14 January at 7pm. The venue has changed to the Queen's Arms, which should have better beer (Elgood's) and be easier to find (on the biggest road into town and nearer the trains). This meeting's theme is "new year, new people" so I hope to see people from the last two meetings again, as well as any others nearby who we've not yet met. It's quite easy to get to from Hunstanton, Fakenham, Spalding, P'boro, Cambridge/Ely/Downham and Norwich/Dereham/Swaffham (bus or can we beg Brett?). Details and linked directions on http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2004/all-13plusWed.html So, who will we see there for sure? -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. Please http://remember.to/edit_messages on lists to be sure I read http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef(a)jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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Re: [ALUG] Criticising other groups
by Syd Hancock 13 Jan '04

13 Jan '04

So, has the author come out of the shadows yet? Even if only to admit it in private? Presumably we have access logs that can show information about who was accessing the site at the time(s) it was edited? Clearly it won't give names but ISP, site referral etc, would be interesting to know. IIUIC, anyone can add/edit the ALUG wiki pages, including people who are not ALUG members - is this correct? If so, I suggest that we review this whole policy. At the very least I would suggest a policy whereby anonymous pages are removed. Syd

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Copying files with a specific extension
by bsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 13 Jan '04

13 Jan '04

I have a /var/www directory which is a local copy of my web site. I want to copy only the .html files together with any sub-directories that contain .html files (retaining the directory structure), together with their files, into another directory. I've tried various incantations involving 'find' and can only succeed in copying files from the base directory. If someone can suggest a way to do this it would be very much appreciated. I really can't afford to lose much more hair. Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain

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Re: Linux Motherboard Recommendations.
by Jenny Hopkins 13 Jan '04

13 Jan '04

Wayne Stallwood wrote: >I supplied some Linux friendly machines a little while ago, everything was >easy to get working in Debian stable with the exception of the SATA interface >(which we weren't using). I'll try and dig up the spec from the office. As it was myself that installed these machines I can vouch for that - everything was detected beautifully during the install. It was an AOpen motherboard, can't seem to locate the manual though. The previous computer I got was a disaster: an Asus A7N266 board that I have to rebuild nvidia drivers for everytime I do anything to the kernel. Jenny ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com ________________________________________________________________________

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Linux Motherboard Recommendations.
by Ben Norcutt 13 Jan '04

13 Jan '04

Hi guys, What are you recommendations on rock solid motherboard/cpu combos for linux? Thinking for server type setups onboard everything is ok as long as it's supported. Cheers, Ben --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.558 / Virus Database: 350 - Release Date: 02/01/2004

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Intel,IBM backing new fund to defend linux users
by Jenny Hopkins 13 Jan '04

13 Jan '04

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=technologyNews&storyID=4114385 ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com ________________________________________________________________________

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c compiler - command not found
by Bryce Martin 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

Hi, I am trying to compile a very simple C program but the commands I use are not working. eg $ gcc firstCProgram.c or $ cc firstCProgram.c bash: command gcc/cc not found I seem to have some sort of c compiler on my system in the directory /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-suse-linux/3.3.1/cc1 Am I right in thinking this is a c compiler that I can use to compile my C programs? If yes, then how can I set the path so that it will work from the command line whenever I want to compile? I'm using SuSE 9.0. If this is not a C compiler after all, please tell me so and I'll install one. Regards, -- Bye, Bryce.

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Criticising other groups
by MJ Ray 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

Would the author of http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?ComparisonInEastAnglia like to at least add their name to the page, please? I'd like it if someone could verify the claims about NPCUG and add other groups. I suspect the jibe under "piracy" is grossly unfair. -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. Please http://remember.to/edit_messages on lists to be sure I read http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef(a)jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/

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CD Copying, thanks, also Lexmark X85
by Nick Daniels 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

On Saturday 10th Jan 2004 Syd Hancock wrote: > Problem, with all CD programs i have tried, on her machine , I > can create CDs, blank CD rewrites but I cannot copy CDs > On K3b I get message "try generic-mmc" but I see from the > debugging output it has already tried generic-mmc > CD rewriter, RICOH MP7163A >Apologies if this is stating the obvious but have you explicitly set >generic-mmc as the cdrdao driver in the Options -> Devices >section? And checked that cdrdao is being recognised in the >Programs section? Many thanks all , I now have a cdrewriter working for her under Gnome CD master, using generic -mmc , for some reason, ( or maybe me) it did not seem to work under K3b Only problem now is hopefully getting her Lexmark X85 USB printer /photocopier working! - Suse 8.2 pro Kind Regards Nick Daniels

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City College Norwich Unix (Linux) course
by adam＠thebowery.co.uk 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

Hi all, Just read about these City College Norwich courses on page 16 of todays EDP, "New courses designed to help you get the most out of your computer" "Computer Systems Software Using UNIX (LINUX) operating system" "30 hour courses, Monday evenings or Saturday mornings, starting in February. These are North Anglia IT (NAIT) courses all at level 2." "To find out more call us now on 01603 773109" The advert also mentiosn 2 other courses including "specifying and setting up a stand alone computer system" and "computer hardware". Adam -- jabberid = quinophex(a)jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem

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Distro Copying
by Nick Heppleston 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

List, Appreciate some advice. I've been asked to install a copy of SuSE and provide the necessary set-up of networking, Samba etc. I'll be doing this work in a contracting basis and was looking at installing the software and providing him with a copy of SuSE on a set of blank CDs so he has the original installation set. Question - can I burn a copy of the SuSE Linux Professional 8.2 CD set and give it to him, or will he need to purchase a copy of the software himself to be licenced? I will be paid to install and setup the box, but will make no money from the actual software itself. There appears to be no guidance on this matter on the distro box packaging. Any help/guidance on this matter appreciated. Cheers, Nick -- Nick Heppleston 07989 581766 | nickheppleston(a)gmx.co.uk

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groff tutorial and problems
by MJ Ray 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

Does anyone know a good groff beginners tutorial, preferably including ms macros, that is online in simple html? The main groff distribution site at http://groff.ffii.org/ doesn't seem to link to one. Two particular problems: How to type pound signs? I use utf8, but pound signs don't come out, even with -Tutf8. Why do tabbed lines make -Thtml output a new tr before each tabbed cell? Also, can I get xhtml output? -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. Please http://remember.to/edit_messages on lists to be sure I read http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef(a)jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Modems
by Richard Lewis 11 Jan '04

11 Jan '04

The CD drive I was talking about the other day was in a computer I'm trying to help my friend set up. I convinced him to have Linux on it; which is great. The machine hasn't got a modem so we need to get one. Presumably its best to try and get a hardware modem but we don't want to spend more than GBP 30. I've looked at linmodems.org and they list a whole load of fully hardware modems but most of their links are to manufacturer sites (i.e. sites which don't sell the products) or to US distributors. The most likely chipsets seem to be Lucent's Venus chipset or a chipet called "Kermit" used by US Robotics/3COM products. I've tried searching for some of the more likely candidates on maplin.co.uk and dabs.com but they only seem to stock a couple of devices. So, does anyone know where I may be able to get an internal (preferably PCI) hardware modem which will work on Linux without too much difficulty? Cheers, Richard

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Re: ISOLINUX
by Richard Lewis 11 Jan '04

11 Jan '04

>On 2004-01-07 22:42:45 +0000 x0151262 <Richard.Lewis(a)uea.ac.uk> wrote: >> "ISOLINUX 2.00 2002-10-25 isolinux: Loading spec packet failed, >> trying to >> wing it... >> isolinux: Failed to locate CD-ROM device: boot failed" > Any idea what the CD drive is on that? Is it IDE? Might be time for > boot floppies :-/ I tried using some MDK9.2 discs and it turns out that you can use disc 2 (of the d'load edition) as 'safe boot' disc. I did that and the installation system booted fine! I don't know what this 'safe boot' method is but it did the trick. Cheers, Richard

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Meeting: King's Lynn, 14 Jan
by MJ Ray 11 Jan '04

11 Jan '04

Hello all, The next ALUG meeting is booked in King's Lynn on Wednesday 14 January at 7pm. The venue has changed to the Queen's Arms, which should have better beer (Elgood's) and be easier to find (on the biggest road into town and nearer the trains). This meeting's theme is "new year, new people" so I hope to see people from the last two meetings again, as well as any others nearby who we've not yet met. It's quite easy to get to from Hunstanton, Fakenham, Spalding, P'boro, Cambridge/Ely/Downham and Norwich/Dereham/Swaffham (bus or can we beg Brett?). Details and linked directions on http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2004/all-13plusWed.html So, who will we see there for sure? -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. Please http://remember.to/edit_messages on lists to be sure I read http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef(a)jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/

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Norwich meeting report 8th Jan 2004
by Syd Hancock 11 Jan '04

11 Jan '04

Another good turnout although s couple of Norwich regulars didn't make it this month. Graham, Brett, Adam, Kirsten, Mark, Syd, newcomer Zbys and his brother (whose name I didn't note - apologies) and Bryce who may be on the list but did not know for sure :-) It was a good social evening with much discussion of forthcoming guided tours to breweries and choice of Norwich pubs for future meeting venues, as well as topics such as programming IDEs, use of FOSS s/w in Poland and so forth. On the topic of venue it was generally agreed that provided we do not lose the positives of the Forum bar (plenty of space, general lack of noise and smoke, conveniently near the centre and with good parking) then a move to somewhere with better and cheaper liquid refreshments would be welcomed. After some discussion a pub on Dereham road, known by its old name of the Reindeer, was settled on as a strong possibility although Adam pointed out that we should have a recce visit before chopping and changing the regular meeting place. I drove past it last night on the way home and it looks large and comfortable as well as potentially meeting the other criteria. The pub has a new name which I don't remember - someone will fill this in here, won't you, chaps - and it seems logical to spend a thursday evening there sometime in the next few weeks and check it out. Anyone up for this? Who'd like to suggest a date? (I cannot make the 22nd) Syd

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CD Copying
by Nick Daniels 10 Jan '04

10 Jan '04

Hi I am installing Linux on my neighbours machine , who "can no longer put up with M$". For CD copying , being non-technical she needs a GUI type CD Copier. Problem, with all CD programs i have tried, on her machine , I can create CDs, blank CD rewrites but I cannot copy CDs On K3b I get message "try generic-mmc" but I see from the debugging output it has already tried generic-mmc CD rewriter, RICOH MP7163A Regards Nick Daniels

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CD copying
by Nick Daniels 10 Jan '04

10 Jan '04

> Hi > I am installing Linux on my neighbours machine , who "can no > longer put up with M$". For CD copying , being non-technical she needs > a GUI type CD Copier. > Problem, with all CD programs i have tried, on her machine , I can > create CDs, blank CD rewrites but I cannot copy CDs > On K3b I get message "try generic-mmc" but I see from the debugging > output it has already tried generic-mmc > CD rewriter, RICOH MP7163A >Which distro/version? -- GT Sorry - Suse 8.2 Pro Regards Nick Daniels

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spice 3f5
by IanBell 10 Jan '04

10 Jan '04

Any sparkies help me with a problem with spice under linux? I am running it in batch mode but it give an error every time an ac or dc analysis is run. From the console I run: spice -b >ex1.out ex1.cir Ian I get the following error dc (ac) analysis not run. doAnalyses not found. Any idea what I am doing wrong? I have tried several different rpms pf spice 3f5 with patches and, althought they have other quirks, the all give the same error. Ian

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Linux support for CF card readers? (Dennis Dryden)
by Stuart Hammond 09 Jan '04

09 Jan '04

CF cards use the IDE specification and so i would imagin that they would work with any distro of linux. you can get compact flash to IDE converters, try www.cfide.co.uk (they are about £22 each with P&P) which id assume would work (as it is just a cable converter) Yours S Hammond >Anyone know if this: >http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X… >...is supported under Linux? I recently got given a cheap digital camera >but it has no connection cable's so i'm planing to use an external >CompactFlash Card reader. If anyone knows of any others that work >that'll be nice to know =). I'm guessing it uses the standard USB mass >storage interface but you never know. > >- Dennis Dryden _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

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Here is an odd one involving Linux mailboxes
by bsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 09 Jan '04

09 Jan '04

I have a number of standard Linux mailboxes setup in /var/mail and my mail is distributed among them using Procmail. My mail client is Ishmail, which reads directly from the files in /var/mail, and I'm running a fairly up to date Debian Testing but still using KDE 2. I update Debian every few days. I also use kbiff to monitor 11 mailboxes. That has suddenly stopped working for 10 of the mailboxes except my username box in that it no longer recognises that new mail has arrived in the other 10 boxes. Ishmail, my mail client, is set up to display 11 mail folders, one for each mailbox. These folders display a small white envelope if there is new mail present in the appropriate mailbox. That has also stopped working except for my username mail. Anyone have any ideas as to what might cause this? Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain

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Announce digest, Vol 2 #30 - 3 msgs
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 09 Jan '04

09 Jan '04

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. [ALUG] FW: High-Availability & Reliability Conference: Bournemouth, 25-26 Feb (UKUUG) (Alasdair G Kergon) 2. Norwich thursday evening meeting 8th January 2004 (Syd Hancock) 3. ALUG Sunday meeting in Norwich January 25th (Syd Hancock) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Alasdair G Kergon <agk(a)ukuug.org> To: UK LUG mailing lists <uklugs(a)lug.org.uk> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 21:09:32 +0000 Subject: [Alug Announce][ALUG] FW: High-Availability & Reliability Conference: Bournemouth, 25-26 Feb (UKUUG) UK Unix User Group LISA/Winter Conference and Tutorial: High-Availability and Reliability Bournemouth, UK, Wednesday 25th and Thursday 26th February 2004 http://www.ukuug.org/events/winter2004/ The main theme of the conference is High-Availability and Reliability, with topics including large-scale email services, High-Availability Linux, storage replication, MySQL, and choosing reliable hardware. The conference starts in the afternoon of Wednesday, 25 February and will be preceded by a half-day tutorial on High-Availability Linux clusters, and the Heartbeat cluster monitoring software. This is being given by Alan Robertson and Lars Marowsky-Bree, who will both also deliver talks in the main conference. Lars currently works as technical lead and developer for the SUSE Labs. His main areas of expertise are high-availability and cluster related topics, ranging from storage (multi-pathing, RAID, and replication) over network load balancing to cluster infrastructure service, resource management and administration. Alan, who is now based at IBM's Linux Technology Center, has been an active developer and project leader for High-Availability Linux for several years. He maintains the Linux-HA project web (www.linux-ha.org), and has been a key developer for the open source Heartbeat program. The technical talks of the conference run from the Wednesday afternoon and will finish late afternoon on the Thursday. The provisional programme includes: Matt Asay Open Source Capitalism: Innovation Business Models (Novell) for an Innovative Development Methodology David Axmark MySQL High-Availability Features (MySQL) Mark Baker and javaGMA: A lightweight implementation of Matthew Grove the Grid Monitoring Architecture (University of Portsmouth) Matthew Bloch Getting the best from your server with (Bytemark Hosting) User-Mode Linux Peter T. Breuer NetRAID (Universidad Carlos III de Madrid) Tim Chown IPv6 Deployment Status (University of Southampton) Julian Field MailScanner (University of Southampton) Tony Finch Scaling up Cambridge University's email service (University of Cambridge) Niall Mansfield Experiences with the Sobig worms and (UIT Cambridge Ltd) how we combatted them (and other Spam) Lars Marowsky-Bree High-Availability Cluster Design and (SUSE LINUX AG) Set-up Stephen Mayo Hardware for high-availability (Hewlett-Packard) Richard J. Moore Preparing Linux for the Enterprise (IBM Linux technology Centre) Philipp Reisner Storage Replication with DRBD (LINBIT Information Technologies GmbH) Alan Robertson Heartbeat (IBM Linux Technology Centre) Steve Whitehouse Cluster filesystems (ChyGwyn Ltd) The event is open to both members and non-members of the UKUUG. Bookings must be received by 18 February 2004, and a discounted early booking rate is available until 23 January 2004. A limited number of free and subsidised places is available for those who would otherwise be unable to attend. See <http://www.ukuug.org/events/winter2004/> for booking information and full details of the programme including abstracts and speaker biographies. For further information, contact: Jane Morrison UKUUG Secretariat PO Box 37 Buntingford Herts SG9 9UQ Tel: 01763 273 475 Fax: 01763 273 255 office(a)ukuug.org www.ukuug.org The UKUUG was formed to represent users of UNIX and Open systems in the UK. It uniquely caters for the needs of people in this area and is completely independent of specific hardware and software vendors. Any profits are used to further the activities of the organisation. Provisional dates for Linux 2004 conference in Leeds: 29th July - 1st August 2004 _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.alug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Syd Hancock <syd(a)toufol.com> To: alug <main(a)lists.alug.org.uk> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 07:42:06 +0000 Cc: alug <announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk> Subject: [Alug Announce]Norwich thursday evening meeting 8th January 2004 It's come around quickly this month but the 'second thursday' Norwich evening meeting is this week, thursday 8th January 2004, from 8pm at the Forum Coffee bar. Details on the alug website http://www.alug.org.uk Regards Syd --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Syd Hancock <syd(a)toufol.com> To: alug <main(a)lists.alug.org.uk> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 07:45:44 +0000 Cc: alug <announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk> Subject: [Alug Announce]ALUG Sunday meeting in Norwich January 25th There will be a sunday afternoon meeting in Norwich on the 25th January 2004, from 2pm at The Billy Bluelight, Hall Road. Full details of venue etc are on the ALUG website http://www.alug.org.uk Following Norwich sunday meeting planned for April 25th. Details later. Regards Syd --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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New User Info
by zbys kaznowski 08 Jan '04

08 Jan '04

I work in the NHS. In fact I look after a small number of systems in the NNUH in Norwich. I am a keen exponent of Open Source Systems for the NHS and other Public organisations. I run a PHPWebsite server and dedicated web fronted Database on a SUSE box. My experience is limited and as such I am becoming frustrated in my endeavours to further Open Source uptake in the Hospital environment. I am particularly keen to interact with people who are very experienced in various forms of integration with Unix/Windows environment. Regards, Zbys Kaznowski --

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Re: [ALUG] More Linux support for CF card readers?
by Chris Glover 08 Jan '04

08 Jan '04

dd if=/dev/sda1 of=card-file HTH Chris -- Chris ---------------------------------- E Mail chris(a)glovercc.clara.co.uk On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Chris Walker wrote: > On Wed 07 Jan, Dennis Dryden wrote: > > > > On Sun, 2003-12-28 at 15:05, Stuart Hammond wrote: > > > CF cards use the IDE specification and so i would imagin that they would > > > work with any distro of linux. you can get compact flash to IDE > > > converters, try www.cfide.co.uk (they are about 22 each with P&P) which > > > id assume would work (as it is just a cable converter) Yours S Hammond > > > > Oh well this little usb device cost's £6.99 so it seemed like a better > > idea then paying £20+. It can read a load of other card types then just > > compatct flash. I cant get the damed thing to work though. It's being > > seen by my usbdrivers(well its in usbveiw), and if i look at dmesg i can > > see that scsi has started playing with the device as sda but i cant > > mount it =(. > > > > I've tryed this to mount the card but have had no luck(as shown): > > > > icedesk:/home/dennis# mount -t vfat -o ro /dev/sda /mnt/usb-cardreader/ > > mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda, > > or too many mounted file systems > > > > Does anyone have nay suggestions on what to try? > > I can get my USB card to read in under Linux with the following entry in the > fstab file - > /dev/sda1 /mnt/memory_card auto user,iocharset=iso8859-15,kudzu,codepage=850,no auto,umask=0,exec 0 0 > (no line wrap in case you want to cut and paste it in yours) > > but have a problem that I would appreciate some help with. Is it possible to > read the entire device in as a file of say 64MB or 128MB or whatever the > device size is? The reason is that the card belongs to a work colleague and > her husband has inadvertantly deleted some of her pictures using the camera > controls. They normally use the dark side to read the card while it's in the > camera but I just took the card out and bunged it in my reader. If I have a > file I can then scan it for JPEG headers and might be able to recover stuff. > > Any help appreciated. > >

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Reminder: Norwich meeting this evening
by Syd Hancock 08 Jan '04

08 Jan '04

(Possibly redundant reminder) Norwich evening social meet-up this evening, from 8pm at the Forum Bar. All welcome. Regards Syd

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ISOLINUX
by x0151262 07 Jan '04

07 Jan '04

Hello List, I'm just trying to install a few distros on a low spec machine and each one I've tried (Slackware 9.1, Redhat 9, Debian 3.0) all come up with an ISOLINUX error: "ISOLINUX 2.00 2002-10-25 isolinux: Loading spec packet failed, trying to wing it... isolinux: Failed to locate CD-ROM device: boot failed" Any suggestions? Cheers, Richard

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Norwich thursday evening meeting 8th January 2004
by Syd Hancock 07 Jan '04

07 Jan '04

It's come around quickly this month but the 'second thursday' Norwich evening meeting is this week, thursday 8th January 2004, from 8pm at the Forum Coffee bar. Details on the alug website http://www.alug.org.uk Regards Syd

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