April 2003 - main

FW: [Alug]software for sunday meeting.
by Jamie French 26 Apr '03

26 Apr '03

I'll send it correctly next time :) -----Original Message----- From: Jamie French [mailto:jamie.french@talk21.com] Sent: 26 April 2003 08:53 To: 'main-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk' Subject: RE: [Alug]software for sunday meeting. I am hoping to attend, wife permitting :) I would like to bring my Zaurus and discuss with other Zaurus users how to get OZ 3.2 into a stable and working state. Take Care Jamie -----Original Message----- From: main-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk [mailto:main-admin@lists.alug.org.uk]On Behalf Of Adam Bower Sent: 25 April 2003 23:07 To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug]software for sunday meeting. On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 09:42:15PM -0000, MJ Ray wrote: > Adam Bower <abower(a)thebowery.co.uk> wrote: > > Also who is coming along? and what kit are you bringing? does anyone want help > > with anything or want to discuss anything? > > I'll be there, but with minimal kit. I'll bring the updated chording > keyboard and some sort of palmtop device with me. I'll have my GLLUG > talk notes with me, about "The Free Software Story", if there's interest > in that, or I am always available for interrogation ;*) I will have my zaurus running open zaurus 3.2, and my vaio picturebook. I will perhaps also bring a Sun Ultra 30 and debianise it at the meeting. Although it may have a hardware fault (possibly just needs SCSI disks reseated) so I will have a quick look tomorrow to see if this is viable. Other things I have been playing with (or planning to play with) are bluetooth on linux with a usb dongle and a sony ericsson t68i and gpsdrive on the vaio. Adam -- jabberid = quinophex(a)jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.alug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above!

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[Alug]Announce digest, Vol 2 #5 - 1 msg
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 26 Apr '03

26 Apr '03

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. LOCAL: ALUG at Elmswell, Suffolk, UK, 2pm, Sun 27 Apr 2003 (MJ Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 01:49:32 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Alug Announce]LOCAL: ALUG at Elmswell, Suffolk, UK, 2pm, Sun 27 Apr 2003 [1]ALUG [2]Map Meeting 2003.4 : AT Vetinerary Systems, Elmswell, Suffolk Sunday 27 April 2003 Plan for the meeting Roughly, as follows: The meeting is scheduled for 2pm-6pm. There will be one or two short talks, the normal hacking of systems and discussions, with veterans on hand to ask for advice and help. The librarians will tell us the current state of the library and MJR will finally return his library book. How to get there For directions, please see [3]the venue information page. People at the meeting So far, Adam, Kirsty, MJR and Rob are definites. If you are planning to come, please say so on the mailing list. If you will also be coming to this meeting, please try to say so on the mailing list, so we can be prepared for the numbers! Equipment Equipment is brought at your own risk. We strongly suggest that you tag or label your kit. No known thefts have occurred at our meetings, but there is ample scope for going home with the wrong cables, etc. Be sure to bring all appropriate power cables etc. An extra extension lead will also be a good idea. So far, for this meeting, we know of: Adam I will bring a zaurus and maybe a laptop running gpsdrive. I may bring my sparc and try to make it work with debian. I was hoping to have my linux pvr working for this meet but not yet. I can burn and bring CDs, if you ask me for them now. MJR A short talk on a Free Software movement in the UK. A chording keyboard that works with Linux. Rob Keys and a Building? Discussion If you want to discuss this meeting, please [4]use the mailing list. [5]Back to the meetings index * Destinations 1. [6]Join ALUG 2. [7]FAQ 3. [8]Meetings * Local LUGs 1. [9]Peterborough 2. [10]Cambridge * Recent Donors 1. [11]PHP4Hosting 2. [12]Black Cat Networks 3. [13]Martyn Drake 4. [14]Turo Technology LLP You may think I'm a dreamer... but I'm not the only one [15]UK LUGs References 1. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 2. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 3. http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/elmswell.html 4. http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main 5. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/ 6. http://www.alug.org.uk/background/contacts.html 7. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?AlugFaq 8. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?AlugMeetings 9. http://www.peterboro.lug.org.uk/ 10. http://www.cam-lug.org.uk/ 11. http://www.php4hosting.co.uk/ 12. http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/ 13. http://www.drake.org.uk/ 14. http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ 15. http://www.lug.org.uk/ --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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[Alug]software for sunday meeting.
by Adam Bower 26 Apr '03

26 Apr '03

Hi everyone. Does anyone want any debian CDs for sundays meeting? I have some sarge images available (about a week old) also I have the linux conf australia CDs available which fozzy mentioned the other week. Also who is coming along? and what kit are you bringing? does anyone want help with anything or want to discuss anything? Thanks Adam -- jabberid = quinophex(a)jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem

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RE: [Alug]AMD Opteron
by Adam Bower 25 Apr '03

25 Apr '03

> From: Martyn Drake [mailto:martyn@drake.org.uk] > Is there any Linux distribution out there that can support > the 64-bitness of > the Opteron out of the box? I know SuSE has made some noise > about this, but > I'm not sure what the others are doing. Yes, I know it's > early days... Mandrake, http://www.mandrakesoft.com/company/press/pr?n=/pr/products/2418&wslang=en apparently costs real $$$. BTW I have heard from a few people I know who have been developing on the Opteron (people who develop on many other 64bit platforms), apparently its stupidly fast, and I want one :) Adam

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[Alug]Debian: does 'sarge' use Gnome 1 or 2?
by Keith Watson 25 Apr '03

25 Apr '03

As above. Keith ____________ It's not what the eye sees, but that which makes the eye see. The Upanishads

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RE: [Alug]RH9 Opinions?
by Adam Bower 25 Apr '03

25 Apr '03

> From: Alexis Lee [mailto:lxs@sdf-eu.org] > > Come to that, shouldn't we be having another release? I thought they > wanted releases every year or so? Pixar will have to get busy... You know, its funny that a Free Software distribution takes its names from a movie that was created on (very) non-free (and incredibly expensive in money terms too) software... Adam

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[Alug]AMD Opteron
by Martyn Drake 25 Apr '03

25 Apr '03

Is there any Linux distribution out there that can support the 64-bitness of the Opteron out of the box? I know SuSE has made some noise about this, but I'm not sure what the others are doing. Yes, I know it's early days... Regards, Martyn

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[Alug]RH9 Opinions?
by Ian Bell 25 Apr '03

25 Apr '03

Just upgraded from RH7.3 to RH9.0 and I am not a particularly happy bunny. OK it has some nice eye candy and up to date KDE, Open Office, gtk+ and Mozilla. However kpackage and gnorpm have not only gone but have been deleted despite doing an upgrade rather than an install. The RH rpm installer is a joke. I have no idea where an rpm's files go so its very hard to make a desktop link or find the docs. I have downloaded both binary rpms and source tarballs for both progs but they have a whole bunch of dependency problems. It seems as though RH is deliberately trying to obstruct users from managing their own rpms. Fortunately I have been able to download and install apt and synaptic so all is not lost but I had to use the command line rpm to do it. AND I just discovered the kde menu editor is gone too!! I have debian 3 on DVD and if it were not for the significant backup task associated with a clean install I would be installing it now. Ian

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RE: [Alug]Fwd: How small could you get GnuStep? Squeeze into a Sh arp Zaurus?
by Adam Bower 25 Apr '03

25 Apr '03

> From: MJ Ray [mailto:markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: 25 April 2003 03:38 > To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > Subject: Re: [Alug]Fwd: How small could you get GnuStep? > Squeeze into a > Sharp Zaurus? > > > Adam Bower <abower(a)thebowery.co.uk> wrote: > > More like X11 is too large... > > That's silly talk, eg > http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT9006921228.html and > http://alllinuxdevices.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2000-08-02-007 -03-IN-LF-HH Maybe but I have yet to see anyone actually port X to the Zaurus and make it, not slow and not big and as featured as opie/qpe. I think talk of porting GnuStep is still a bit premature right now. Adam

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[Alug]Fwd: How small could you get GnuStep? Squeeze into a Sharp Zaurus?
by mjr＠cloaked.freeserve.co.uk 25 Apr '03

25 Apr '03

This appeared on the gnustep-discuss list. I know we have some Zaurus users here. Would some of you like to help with this? Basic information on GNUstep can be found at http://www.gnustep.org/ From: hns(a)dsitri.de (HNS) Subject: How small could you get GnuStep? Squeeze into a Sharp Zaurus? Date: 24 Apr 2003 05:29:52 -0700 About a year ago (18th - 21th march 02), there was a discussion thread on that issue. Answers were: * GNUstep is too large * GNUstep needs X11 * NextStep interface is too heavy for a PDA screen What I recently found out is that there *IS* a X11 server (hosted on sourceforge, called Zaurus Xfree86) for Zaurus. With that on a Compact Flash (not in the kernel of course), it should be possible to compile and run GNUstep on a Zaurus. The benefits could be * alternate (to Qt) GUI development kit * a lot of additional applications * easy to learn framework (supporting full unicode) and application kit (supporting sophisticated graphics) * porting of some MacOS X applications seems feasible * a GUI looking like MacOS X seems feasible Any ideas, comments, results, any sleeves rolled up? hns http://www.dsitri.de/php/projects/index.php?project=myPDA

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