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re: ALUG PHP mutterings
by Alexis Lee 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

If you d/l the PHP manual, in 'install.apache.html' there seem to be some quite good instructions. You're trying to make mod_php, then load it using /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf. Alternatively, Mandrake 8 comes with PHP precompiled and ready to run (inc. GD and PgSQL support, if/when you want them). Highly recommended, and if someone has been tempting you to Debian with apt-get, I suggest you have a look for rpm-get. It has plenty of rough edges, but I got it working well enough. The 'no acceptable cc path found in $PATH' bit sounds quite dire, to me. CC is short for C compiler, which is usually fulfilled by GCC (GNU CC). Try 'which gcc' and if it comes up blank, use 'find /usr -name gcc' to find it then add appropriate directory to your PATH (IE in /etc/bashrc or .bashrc). If you can't find gcc at all, you're either on a proprietary UNIX (ie AIX) in which case you should 'find' for cc or you need to get it. Of course, it may mean something completely different by 'cc', but I remember being thrown by 'cc' meaning 'gcc' before. If you do get PHP working and need questions answered, do mail me. Alexis -- Alas my .sig, Mozilla ate it.

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Re: [Alug] firewall messages
by MJ Ray 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

Adam Bower <abower(a)thebowery.co.uk> writes: > I just took a look at the output of your dmesg, it appears that you are > being portscanned from various hosts. [...] I'll fetch me coat... why aren't src and dest more different? ;-) -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] configuring PHP
by MJ Ray 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

xsprite(a)bigfoot.com writes: > to get perl working with apache, you only need execcgi and > #!/usr/bin/perl afaik. although you can speed up with mod_perl. This is true of many scripting languages. All of them are quite well-suited to web-based development. > additionally, perl syntax is a mix of sh/c/awk/sed/etc. s/mix/nightmare/ I know Tcl has 5 basic syntax rules (but is very simple). I believe that scheme has a similar number, definitely below 10 I think. Anyone know how many perl has? -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] configuring PHP
by MJ Ray 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com writes: > deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 r2 _Potato_ - Official i386 Binary-1 > (20001207)]/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main Right, you've only got the one CD enabled. Here's my working stable system's sources.list... see what it does for you: deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free deb ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ stable main deb-src ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib deb ftp://ftp.plig.org/pub/debian/ stable main contrib non-free deb ftp://ftp.plig.org/pub/debian/non-US stable/non-US main contrib deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main Add those (or maybe unstable or testing instead of stable, depending how adventurous you feel) and then do apt-get clean apt-get update apt-get upgrade and it should bring your system up to date. You can leave the "cdrom" line in there if you want and it'll only download off the net where newer versions are found. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] configuring PHP
by MJ Ray 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> writes: > This is why I stopped using package managers, they never worked, and > compiling it was easier. Is your nickname on IRC this evening going to be "flamebait"? ;-) Debian's package manager does work and it's actually quite easy to build your own packages using deb-make, debuild and cursory glances at the manual. Since discovering apt-get source and debuild binary, I've not missed anything from the "build it yourself" side of things. > I still think taking a copy of K&R and reading it cover to cover would > be a good move. Sussman and Steele! > Most languages are very similiar, they all have > sequence selection and interation, and C is quite easy to learn. Functions, recursion, closures, continuations. Why do you need iteration anyway? > What would people consider as an alternative to PHP? PHP's actually quite good at what it's good at. It is not a good tool for building large web-based applications, though. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] configuring PHP
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

Mark R said: >You need gcc. Installing task-c-dev should get you everything you >need in that line. Did this - more failed dependencies, it all seems to be boiling down to binutils. I'll try downloading and installing this one tomorrow. A bit fried now, I'll do something silly as root soon if i don't go home. Jen's sources.list file (commented out bits and all) #deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free #deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free #deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free # Uncomment if you want the apt-get source function to work #deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free #deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 r2 _Potato_ - Official i386 Binary-1 (20001207)]/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main #deb-src http://packages.debian.org/stable/ Missing dependencies for apt-get install task-debian-devel task devel-common task-c-dev task-c-dev: Depends: gcc but it is not going to be installed or c-compiler task-debian-devel: Depends: build-essential but it is not going to be installed Depends: cvs-buildpackage but it is not going to be installed Depends: lintian but it is not going to be installed Depends: debhelper but it is not going to be installed Depends: dh-make but it is not going to be installed Depends: debian-policy but it is not going to be installed Depends: debmake but it is not going to be installed Depends: developers-reference but it is not going to be installed Depends: devscripts but it is not going to be installed Depends: dupload but it is not going to be installed Depends: fakeroot but it is not going to be installed Depends: packaging-manual but it is not going to be installed Depends: maint-guide but it is not going to be installed task-devel-common: Depends: binutils but it is not going to be installed or binutils-multiarch but it is not going to be installed Cheers, help much appreciated. Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] Linux Expo - Which Day/Travelling From Ipswich
by MJ Ray 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

fozzy(a)pelvoux.demon.co.uk writes: > Both the Great Eastern services have the option of inclusive tube > travel for an extra pound though I don't know if this includes where > we want to go to. I think Olympia is zone 1, so surely it's included. Zone 2 at worst. I'm thinking that I'll travel down from KL on first train after 0830 as it's the first one I can get a travel card on. If anyone is travelling down from KL, Cambridge or stations in between, drop me a line or catch me on IRC this evening (nickname slef). Which day are we aiming for? I need to decide before tomorrow, too. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] configuring PHP
by MJ Ray 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com writes: > reply - package php4-pgsql has no installation candidate Please post any uncommented bits of your sources.list file. It sounds like something's not quite set up to let you get this installed. > >apt-get install task-debian-devel task-devel-common task-c-dev > reply - 8 million dependencies that aren't going to be installed. Care to post the exact list? It sounds like you might not have any development tools installed, so you've no choice but to get them if you want to build your own software. > Not sure where i go wrong, but every time I try installing anything this > happens, and I finally give up in a temper. The truth is out there... http://www.uk.debian.org/ -> documentation > I can see a bcc package on the debain site, no cc. You need gcc. Installing task-c-dev should get you everything you need in that line. > reply - firstly, it was mentioned in a casual kind of a manner on irc that > in order to build web pages one had to learn php (i thought it was by you, > actually!). No, to build web pages, you need (x)html. Nothing more. > secondly, it has now been recommended by my bro' as a neat > simple solution to manipualting info in a web page. It's actually a fairly poor solution for anything other than toy manipulations. > Thirdly, i don't speak > c and can't write shell scripts, PHP is rather too c-like for me. Then again, I like my scripts to look like single function calls at the top level ;-) > and were I to learn i'd probably have an > even worse job trying to compile the c compiler! Why would you want to compile it? Just install it. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] configuring PHP
by David Howe 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

Well there's a lot of easier ways for those a little nervous of installing things to get PHP up and running..... Although I appreciate that you're talking Debian here I thought I might just throw in my two penneth and let you know that RPM based stuff is most easily customised by visiting http://rpms.arvin.dk/php/ Mr Troels Arvin has built his own set of rpms which (rather than Zend's idea of one big beasty of an rpm) allow you to only include the functionality that you want..... Cheers, Dave

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Linux Expo - Which Day/Travelling From Ipswich
by fozzy＠pelvoux.demon.co.uk 02 Jul '01

02 Jul '01

I have finally got around to clearing some leave to go to Linux Expo this year. I don't mind which day at the moment, but I will need to decide tomorrow. I think there was a plan to discuss this on IRC tonight but unfortunately I can't make the IRC chat until quite late so I may miss many of you. Even so I would be glad to hear which day most people are planning on going (or if there is an even split). For people travelling from or near Ipswich there's the train... Dep Ipswich Arrive Liverpool St Cost Operator 09:02 10:14 #19.90 Great Eastern 09:12 10:20 #24.00 Anglian 09:30 10:40 #19.90 Great Eastern Both the Great Eastern services have the option of inclusive tube travel for an extra pound though I don't know if this includes where we want to go to. Or there's the car... Probably about #20 petrol, plus parking to be split between the occupants. If it's just me then the train looks like the better option, but if a party of us go in a car together then that may be cheaper. If you are interested in sharing a car from Ipswich or there abouts then drop me a note and let me know if you are intending to drive and are looking for passengers, want to be a passenger and for someone else to drive, or don't care. Steve.

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