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Re: [Alug] (Scripting) languages
by flexifoil＠btinternet.com 02 Oct '01

02 Oct '01

[apologies using webmail!] > Java springs to mind, but it seems so PAINFULLY slow, even to do fairly > simple stuff. If it was OO, that would be a bonus too. Java isnt slow, and it gets my vote... > I suppose I'm just > being a bit lazy; I could just compile a C program natively on 'nix AND > win32. If you just want CLI, then thats easy. > Potentially, I would like to add these separate elements into one larger > program (this is where I would perhaps prefer C). I *WOULDN'T* like to pick > up a new language as complex as C *YET*, at least not until I learn to use C > properly. You could learn as you go... > Any tips? For example, if you use Java, is there a nice free RAD/IDE for it? > Anyone tried Kylix? (I have it on CD) Or maybe you could suggest another > approach? Borlands ? Andrew.

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Furby Linux :)
by Ashley T. Howes 01 Oct '01

01 Oct '01

http://www.trygve.com/furbeowulf.html Dr. Ashley T. Howes PhD www.ashleyhowes.com Programmer "When all the animals of this world are gone, man will die of loneliness"

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GPPP problems.
by Ricardo Campos 27 Sep '01

27 Sep '01

I'm now in a period of trying Gnome instead of KDE (bored so quickly!). Unfortunately, I can't get Gppp to work. It appears to be pointing to the correct device, has the correct phone #, correct IP& DNS settings etc. But it doesn't really get to that stage. I set up an account and it merely says "The ppp daemon died unexpectedly", which to a newbie like myself leaves bugger all clues except maybe that Gppp is somehow incorrectly interfaced with pppd ??? It feels like I've lost all my troubleshooting skills. Is there a log file that I'm missing somewhere, that could give me some clues? (and maybe I could then give more info to those who're helping me) Kppp works, but it's time to give Gnome a go methinks. It seems a little smoother performance-wise. Ricardo, _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Newbie question.... PATHS
by Ricardo Campos 27 Sep '01

27 Sep '01

OK, so I've symlinked Kgcc to gcc, but how does a program know where to look for gcc in the first place? Is it your 'path'? I'm saying this as I'm going to be compiling a Python prgram, but have had no experience in doing so. One of the prereqs is: "make sure Python is in your path". I guess that this is what an NT user would consider an environment variable? Or does it just mean that you have to be in the same dir. ? (seems unlikely) If it is a user env. variable, where is it to be found? ps. if I get my moop/doop running off dhs. you're all welcome to try it out. only 1 at a time, mind, cos the test box will be my home computer- all 46 kbps of bandwidth! whooosh! ;-D Ricardo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Server maintenance: 1st October, 2001
by Martyn Drake 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

Hi, Just to let everybody know that these mailing lists will be unavailable for a short while during the day of the 1st October. I am upgrading to Exim from Sendmail and will need to verify the configuration for both local accounts and Mailman. Regards, Martyn

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1984: Linux not legal????
by Ricardo Campos 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

OK, my subject's a bit dramatic. But I think there are some serious issues relating to the new 'anti-terrorism' legislation, especially for those using SSH or *PGP. The UK RIP act is a favourite topic of mine, I'll spare you the rant, but you can check it out at: http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/ripa/ripact.htm or here (if you don't want to wade thru legal speak): http://www.cyber-rights.org/ (Main gripe: "Guilty until proven innocent" contravenes all agreed civilised standards of justice, and contravenes both the European and Universal Declaration of Human Rights - has anyone EVER forgotten their PGP password?) (oops, I said no rant! ;) Well, now the US is follwing suit with equally absurd legislation: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/21830.html and a slightly more alarmist version: http://lwn.net/2001/0913/ God bless ambiguous legislation! ;) Ricardo (PS I know this isn't really technical, but it really isn't social either, and VERY pertinent to Linux) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Virtual window managers
by oms101＠freeuk.com 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

I am using IceWM, back in the past (before a period of KDE instability) I was a KDE fan, but today I feel that ice does all I need from a window manager, and does not use many resources. One think I have wanted to do for some time is start applications in other virtual windows than the virtual window that your window manager starts with in the .xinitrc file. anyhelp would be appresiated. Owen Synge Date: 26-Sep-01 Time: 10:10:11

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Re: [Alug] (k)gcc help?
by MJ Ray 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

"Ricardo Campos" <corez23(a)hotmail.com> writes: > Yup, I have made symlinks from kgcc/kg++ to gcc and g++. What is cc? cc is a generic name for the C compiler, still often seen on Sun kit until it has gcc, the GNU C Compiler, installed. > I'm trying to set up a MUSH (rather than a mud) for a friend, and it's a > nice little project for me. (Not that I have time outside of work at the > mo!) Have you seen moop and doop on sourceforge? They're quite interesting takes on the MOO concept (an OO evolution of MUSHes). -- MJR Thesis watch: 30% This is my personal web site =-> http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ http://www.alug.org.uk/ <-- This is the LUG I go to I work for this clever internet developer ==> http://www.luminas.co.uk/

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(k)gcc help?
by Ricardo Campos 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

Yup, I have made symlinks from kgcc/kg++ to gcc and g++. What is cc? I *have* compiled some programs now, there is only one I'm having real probs with (Pennmush >ftp.pennmush.org<), but I suspect it's not just my machine, one of the makefiles seems lacking (not that my C programming has yet to get to makefiles, more of the 'Hello World' level!)- at least that's what the compiler said. Perhaps the source ain't right? Is there a resource that gives a bit more help on the kind of errors gcc throws up (like error type [1], which seems non-fatal, or error [2] which seems to designate failure). I can debug my progs as they're dead simple, and *I* wrote them, but for other people's it's still a bit of a mystery. After 30 mins going thru the man pages I can't seem to find an exact resource to provide definitions or 'ball-parks' for these errors. saying that, the man pages are huge for gcc, so I may have missed them. I'm trying to set up a MUSH (rather than a mud) for a friend, and it's a nice little project for me. (Not that I have time outside of work at the mo!) Cheers, Ricardo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Data cartridges - free!
by Edenyard 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

I'm sorry if this isn't the right place to post this message, but I don't know where else to go.... I have a quantity of DC600 and DC615 data cartridges that I need to dispose of. I once had plans to install a tape drive in my PC and use them, but it didn't work and, in any case, CD-RW seems to have overtaken us. What's available: 7 DC600, brand new still in selaed wrappers, 8 DC600, used, 14 DC615, used. They're completely FREE to a good home, but the only condition is that they have to be collected from me at Martlesham. If you'd like them or you know anyone else who would, please contact me at GDP(a)edenyard.co.uk - many thanks! Gerald.

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