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RE: windows management
by Ben Norcutt 14 Jul '02

14 Jul '02

> Like those RM Machines. Those were too easy to >hack :/ > >From what I've heard, RM machines manage to >effectively stop the system >admins and their chosen (non-RM) software contractors >from doing certain >tasks, yet don't seem to stop the students circumventing >them... Bizarrely, >they still have customers. Having worked with RM networks there was nothing in the RM security that stopped you as an admin doing anything you needed to do and yes there were always things certain knowledgable students could do to mess the system up but the bolt on security onto an otherwise unsecure win9x machine was good. There latest product is based on XP clients and 2K server and looks good. Ben

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Re: [Alug] Networking Problem + ill be at the meeting
by NuTTeR -- Not Entered -- 14 Jul '02

14 Jul '02

----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Glover <chris(a)glovercc.clara.co.uk> > > other ALUG members) any ideas?.. All help is welcome as I am a bit out of my > > depth myself! > > > > No problem :-) > > Networks can be bastards at times. > > Chris > > -- > Chris This may sound realy dumb and not be correct at all but isnt 192.somthing.somthing.somthing a class C IP adress... and that should have a broadcast address of 192.somthing.somthing.255 not 192.something.255.255. just a thought. The first 3 parts of the ip addresses on that network should be the same for all the hosts(nodes/computers/...). Or is it a subnet thing? if not your subnetmask should be 255.255.255.0. P.S. ill be at the meeting later today will anyone have a copy of debian testing? if so could u bring it maybe :). I can also give lifts if you live in a small village my kinda way... Litcham and around that way :). Dennis Dryden -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze

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Tomorrow's meeting...
by MJ Ray 14 Jul '02

14 Jul '02

If anyone is travelling to King's Lynn by train (via Ely) or coach (X94 Pboro, Norwich, Yarmouth, Lowestoft; X98 North Norfolk), if you let me know what time you're arriving, I'll try to wander to the station with a penguin to meet you. If not, you can try to figure out wtf the buses are doing this weekend, or grab a taxi ;-) If you're coming by car, please follow signs for Lynnsport or Seabank Chapel, but after the mini-roundabout, take the turning on the right a little way after the yellow local shop and then turn left into the centre's car park. If you end up at Lynnsport or the chapel, you missed the turning ;-) Look forward to seeing lots of you tomorrow... -- MJR ,---------------------------------------------------- | Q. Do you need a net-based application developing, | or advice and training about web technology? | A. I suggest you try http://www.luminas.co.uk/

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GPG trust
by Alexis Lee 14 Jul '02

14 Jul '02

Hi, I've been signing my messages for a little while yet, but I've only just remembered that I have to get my key trusted by a trusted party before it's any good to anyone. Doh. So, does anyone have a trusted GPG key, that I could convince to trust me? Alexis -- "I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have" - T Jefferson "Let's stop and pray!" - pious little girl "No. Let's keep running, and pray as we go along" - pragmatic little girl

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Freeshell.org: woohoo!
by Alexis Lee 13 Jul '02

13 Jul '02

I posted some time ago asking for opinions on freeshell.org's service. Well, the subject says it all really. I paid the $36 donation for ARPA membership, and I'm very pleased. They don't actually run Linux - they tried it but moved to Alphas for stability. They do have about 22000 users, so that's understandable I think. As they say, consumer grade hardware just isn't up to that. They provide PHP/Perl/CGI facilities, 100MB each for mail/web/home and SSH/SCP/SFTP. So I'm happy. Alexis -- "You got what everyone gets. A lifetime." - Death (Sandman by Neil Gaiman) Windows didn't get as bad as it is overnight; it took over 10 years of careful development.

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Re: [Alug] kernel panic! Oh poo.
by Ricardo Campos 13 Jul '02

13 Jul '02

>a tomsrtbt disk (or similar) handy to try to mount >the disk and see if anything is still salvagable? I >suspect trying to copy /home off will be a >challenge. Good luck. this is the point when I wish I didn't lend out my install disks.... I booted using tomsrtbt, and it seems my /home and /usr and /archive partitions are intact, just lost /bin, /sbin etc. In fact, the only thing on / is vmlinuz and lost+found! I highly reccommend having a tomsrtbt floppy/CD to anyone reading this. So I have a custom kernel-image .deb that I've retrieved, meaning that when I get Debian reinstalled on it, I can get my USB cd-writer working, so I have full back up (and about 20 backup CD-rs!). Then I'll "keep an eye on it", until I save up enough to buy a new HD. Thanks for the suggestions. Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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RE: [Alug] Sound Scuppered
by Jonathan Dye 13 Jul '02

13 Jul '02

> I've just rebuilt my kernel to include USB support and now my > sound card has stopped working. I've searched for the error > message on the web but haven't come up with anything much. > > I wasn't aware that I'd changed anything other than the USB > settings (I used 'make menuconfig'). Was your previsous kernel a vendor supplied on (RPM or deb etc)? If so then you need to find the right .config file for it and use that as a starting point for your new build by copying it over the .config in your kernel sources. If you don't do this then the configuration you start with in menuconfig is not the same as the currently installed kernel so just changing some things won't work. > As I'm writing this from work I haven't got all the info to > hand at present but I'm using the 2.4.18 kernel with > ALSA 0.9.0beta12. (hmm... wonder if it would be worth > seeing if there's a later release of ALSA? wonder if it would > make any difference?) > > My sound card is a Creative Soundblaster 128 PCI (chip show > up as an Ensoniq 5880 AudioPCI) and I've been successfully > using the ens1371 driver. > > As a side issue my NVidia drivers also hiccupped when I > rebuilt the kernel but were OK after I rebuilt the > NVidia package. Should I have needed to do this or is > there something else I'm not doing and should? > > Sorry, I know I should be supplying a lot more info. but I'm > hoping this might be a 'no brainer' type newbie error > (oh look! all those bacon flavoured objects flying past > the window!! :o) ) I hope I haven't underestimated your experience on kernel compilation but you do say that you are a newbie. > > Regards, > Keith JD _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service

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windows management
by tom potts 12 Jul '02

12 Jul '02

>As someone that works as a network manager in a >secondary school in >Norwich >I can say that the IT support brach for the schools >has a hard enough >time >with windoze. Sorry - you've just discovered the M$ lie - Windows was designed to 'protect the user from the operating system'. However you still have to know what your doing - a computer is a tool not a crutch - An operating system will not turn you into a competent network manager any more than a graphics editor will turn you into an artist or a word processor turn me into a coherent writer. If you dont know the fundamentals it aint really gonna help. Tom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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Sound Scuppered
by Keith Watson 12 Jul '02

12 Jul '02

I've just rebuilt my kernel to include USB support and now my sound card has stopped working. I've searched for the error message on the web but haven't come up with anything much. I wasn't aware that I'd changed anything other than the USB settings (I used 'make menuconfig'). As I'm writing this from work I haven't got all the info to hand at present but I'm using the 2.4.18 kernel with ALSA 0.9.0beta12. (hmm... wonder if it would be worth seeing if there's a later release of ALSA? wonder if it would make any difference?) My sound card is a Creative Soundblaster 128 PCI (chip show up as an Ensoniq 5880 AudioPCI) and I've been successfully using the ens1371 driver. As a side issue my NVidia drivers also hiccupped when I rebuilt the kernel but were OK after I rebuilt the NVidia package. Should I have needed to do this or is there something else I'm not doing and should? Sorry, I know I should be supplying a lot more info. but I'm hoping this might be a 'no brainer' type newbie error (oh look! all those bacon flavoured objects flying past the window!! :o) ) Regards, Keith ____________ AIR, n. A nutritious substance supplied by a bountiful Providence for the fattening of the poor. Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary

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Re: MS Story In EDP
by Ben Norcutt 12 Jul '02

12 Jul '02

As someone that works as a network manager in a secondary school in Norwich I can say that the IT support brach for the schools has a hard enough time with windoze. Cheers, Ben

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