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KL Meeting Postponed
by MJ Ray 16 Feb '04

16 Feb '04

There will be no King's Lynn meeting this week, unless someone steps forward pronto to take it over. The planned speakers haven't time. Next month's King's Lynn meeting will be cancelled, unless someone tells me they can take it over. We hope to run the web talks meeting on a weekend afternoon in late March, so that it's easier for people to travel to. Please email me off-list if you want to come and there are days that you can or can't do. As far as I know, the next ALUG meeting is at Syleham on Sunday 29th February, including a screening of Revolution OS and a bar. I am happy to give lifts from Lynn/A134/Thetford/A1066 area if wanted: please email me off-list. -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. Please http://remember.to/edit_messages on lists to be sure I read http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef(a)jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 16 Feb '04

16 Feb '04

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Backing Up and Restoring a Debian System
by kpwatson＠pop3.ukfsn.org 13 Feb '04

13 Feb '04

At the end of this next bit of inane rambling is a question. The inane rambling is there to try and put the question into some sort of context. <inane> By a somewhat circuitous route I've lately been thinking about the best ways to back up and restore my Debian based GNU/Linux system. It was prompted by a number of things one of which was showing someone at work how easy it was to set up a Debian system using Knoppix. I must admit even I was a bit impressed by how easy it was to boot from the CD, run the install to HD script, tweak the sources file, and then apt-get update and apt-get upgrade. Took about an hour to do the lot (including re-arranging the partitions of the existing disk so we could dual boot with Windows*). That included installing GRUB as a boot manager. But it got me thinking about how easy it would be to use Knoppix as a recovery tool if I should need to do a re-install from scratch. And that got me wondering about how I could get from the Knoppix configuration back to my preferred configuration. At the moment I just dump of whole chunks of various partitions using some pre-written backup scripts I got from somewhere (probably just Googled around the web and picked them up from there). But I've always thought that it was a bit of a sledgehammer approach and the there must be a more elegant way of doing this. There is some useful info about back-ups on the Linux documentation Project site (www.tldp.org); Linux Complete Backup and Recovery HOWTO, Ch.8 of Linux Administration Made Easy - Backup and Restore Procedures and Ch.12 of The Linux System Administrator's Guide - Backups. All together these give some pointers to which bits of the system you need to back up. </inane> <question> So say I have just done a complete re-install from Knoppix, and also recovered all the important config files into /etc (e.g. fstab, passwrd, XF86Config, etc). Could I then get enough info from the backed up apt config files to feed into apt and have it install any missing packages, remove any unwanted packages and update any out of date packages (and possibly downdate (is there such a word?) anything too recent)? Is this information something I'd need to generate via apt when I do my back-ups? </question> I you can do this there are some interesting possibilities, like taking regular snapshots of your setup and being able to roll-back to the earlier configurations. Has any one tried this? I've had a look with Google and can't find anything similar but it's entirely possible that I was using inappropriate search words. Regards, Keith * OK so I used PartitionMagic and not Parted but I couldn't find Parted on the Knoppix disk and we had a PM bootable CD to hand. But I've used Parted before and it worked just as well.

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Announce digest, Vol 3 #3 - 1 msg
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 13 Feb '04

13 Feb '04

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. [ALUG] Reminder: Norwich evening meeting tomorrow 12th Feb AND venue change (Syd Hancock) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Syd Hancock <syd(a)toufol.com> To: alug <main(a)lists.alug.org.uk> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 06:37:51 +0000 Subject: [Alug Announce][ALUG] Reminder: Norwich evening meeting tomorrow 12th Feb AND venue change The monthly Norwich 'second thursday' evening social meet will take=20 place tomorrow, 12th February from 8 pm. As previously discussed, we are going to try a different venue. The meeting will be in the 'City Gate' pub which is on Dereham road,=20 just off the inner ring road at the junction of Grapes Hill and=20 Barn Road. Dereham Road is the A1074 - take the Costessey junction on the A47=20 if coming from west of Norwich. Otherwise, when going clockwise around the inner ring road, Dereham=20 road is the left turn at the traffic lights at the bottom of Grapes=20 Hill (but see parking info below). There is a very large Cane Furniture shop on the corner and this is=20 probably the best landmark from either direction. The pub, which=20 has a large glass frontage (link to picture below), is next to the=20 cane furniture shop. There is ample parking on the other side of the ring road off St=20 Swithin's road. Coming down Grapes Hill turn right at the lights=20 (St Benedict's Street), bear right into the entrance to the ca=20 rpark. Pay-and-display, =A31.40. =46ull address, photo, link to map etc here: http://www.norwichpubs.info/norwichpubs/pubpages/citygate.htm Anything I've left out? Are the directions clear? Constructive=20 feedback always welcomed. As usual, I will probably not be there by 8pm, sorry, so whoever=20 turns up first, don't get lost and wait for reinforcements to=20 arrive :-) Regards Syd _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.alug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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Meeting on the 12th Feb, Norwich
by Syd Hancock 13 Feb '04

13 Feb '04

The new choice of venue - The City Gate, Dereham Road - was a great success and many thanks to Brett and Bryce for suggesting it. It has all the benefits of the Forum as well as a few more, which is pretty good going really. More comfortable, better beers and a good selection of food too. Although it is a large pub - a positive - it does not have the emptiness of the Forum which with its cavernous space feels almost like an airport or train station. There's even (unofficial) free parking next door. Kirsten, Adam, Jonathan, Bryce, Brett, Paul C., Ian, Graham and myself - not a bad turn out and chatter included the usual wide range of topics from programming environments to problems with playing DVDs to fine wine tasting. Till the next one... Syd

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Xandros <> GPL
by Wayne Stallwood 12 Feb '04

12 Feb '04

Does anybody know anything about Xandros, I am looking into it on request but I found this in the FAQ Will the desktop be based on KDE or GNOME? Xandros Desktop uses a Xandros enhanced version of KDE. My question is have they actually modified KDE itself, or just reconfigured it and perhaps completely replaced some of the KDE applications. I can't find mention of the source being available anywhere so I am hoping the latter.

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Invitation to FOSDEM 2004
by Fosdem Organization 12 Feb '04

12 Feb '04

Hi, The purpose of this e-mail is to invite you to attend the next edition of FOSDEM. This fourth edition will take place on the 21th and 22th of february 2004 in Brussels (see http://www.fosdem.org for more info). The previous edition encountered a huge success with more than 1500 developers coming from all over the world to attend the talks of famous figures of the Free Software and Open Source community. This year, will be present (in alphabetical order): Bill Haneman - GOK Dave Cross - Perl Denis Oliver Kropp - DirectFB Dominique Colnet - SmartEiffel Florent Benoit - JOnAS Gunnar Schmi Dt - KDE Accessibility Project Hans Reiser - Reiser4 Henning Brauer - OpenBSD Ian Formanek - Netbeans Jon 'Maddog' Hall - Closing talk Jonathan Corbet - Kernel modules Keith Packard - Within X Mathias Brossard - Cryptonit Richard Kilmer - Ruby Richard M Stallman - FSF Robert Love - The Linux Kernel and the Desktop Roger Butenuth - BRASS Stefan Seefeld - Fresco Tim O'Reilly - Introduction talk Tom Kistner - Current Antispam techniques Tom Tromey - GCJ And many others who will be giving talks and tutorials, ... Several Free or Open Source Software projects have decided to hold a meeting during FOSDEM. It is a great occasion to meet core developers from Debian, Java, OpenMosix, MySQL, KDE, Mozilla, Tcl, Embedded Software. Moreover, the FSF award will be handed out during the FOSDEM 2004 by Richard Stallman and other members from the Free Software Foundation. FOSDEM's goal is to provide Free Software and Open Source developers and communities the opportunity to learn and discuss the latest developments in the Free and Open Source arena and to promote the development and the benefits of Free and Open Source solutions. The speakers mainly talk about technologies and make technical speeches. The event is totally free. This is a non-commercial event organised by people from the community. So we would like to thank our sponsors who have understood this and helped us making FOSDEM possible to happen this year again in the same spirit. Those include: O'Reilly, Argon7, Linux Magazine, Linux.com, GNU/Linux Magazine France, Linux-Magazin, Todo Linux, Linux Weekly News, MySQL, ... We encourage you to support FOSDEM if you appreciate the event and want it to continue in the same spirit. More information about the FOSDEM 2004 support operation at: http://www.fosdem.org/2004/index/support/ We hope to see you there. -- FOSDEM 2004 Damien Sandras Community Contact

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Is it possible to save a pointer to a mail message on a Web page
by Chris Green 12 Feb '04

12 Feb '04

Is there any simple way to have a web page with all the usual sorts of links etc. plus some links which point to mail messages? I want to collect together some E-Mail correspondence, some links to web sites and some pictures (and/or URLs of pictures). It would be ideal of one could view the mail message in the browser but popping up an MUA would be OK I suppose. -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk)

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Reminder: Norwich evening meeting tomorrow 12th Feb AND venue change
by Syd Hancock 11 Feb '04

11 Feb '04

The monthly Norwich 'second thursday' evening social meet will take place tomorrow, 12th February from 8 pm. As previously discussed, we are going to try a different venue. The meeting will be in the 'City Gate' pub which is on Dereham road, just off the inner ring road at the junction of Grapes Hill and Barn Road. Dereham Road is the A1074 - take the Costessey junction on the A47 if coming from west of Norwich. Otherwise, when going clockwise around the inner ring road, Dereham road is the left turn at the traffic lights at the bottom of Grapes Hill (but see parking info below). There is a very large Cane Furniture shop on the corner and this is probably the best landmark from either direction. The pub, which has a large glass frontage (link to picture below), is next to the cane furniture shop. There is ample parking on the other side of the ring road off St Swithin's road. Coming down Grapes Hill turn right at the lights (St Benedict's Street), bear right into the entrance to the ca rpark. Pay-and-display, £1.40. Full address, photo, link to map etc here: http://www.norwichpubs.info/norwichpubs/pubpages/citygate.htm Anything I've left out? Are the directions clear? Constructive feedback always welcomed. As usual, I will probably not be there by 8pm, sorry, so whoever turns up first, don't get lost and wait for reinforcements to arrive :-) Regards Syd

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Groupware for the home
by Martin Collins 11 Feb '04

11 Feb '04

Hi everyone, My Wife and I both have seperate user accounts as she doesn't like me playing around with things and likes the fact that everytime she logs in it still looks the same!! Trouble is we only have one e-mail account and kmail is set-up the same for both log-ins. This has the annoying effect of received e-mails being split between the two log-ins. I was wondering if anyone could suggest a light-weight groupware package that would stop this? Or, we do have a partition "/shared" where we save common documents and I was wondering if I just copied the contents of the "mail" folders to a mail folder on this shared partition and then sym-linked to this from both home directories? Assuming read/write/group permissions were set up properly, would this work or would it thoroughly break my kmail set-up? Cheers. Martin

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