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Bash Substitution
by Richard Parsons 10 Dec '10

10 Dec '10

If I do: echo "1 2 3" > test and then cat test, then I can see the contents of the file, including the new lines. However, if I do: VARIABLE=$(cat test) echo $VARIABLE then the output has spaces instead of new lines. Why is that? And how could I stop that from happening? TIA, Richard

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X vs "WayaAnd"??
by ted.harding＠wlandres.net 10 Dec '10

10 Dec '10

Apologies to any of you that may be afflicted by my cross-posting ... I have (quite accidentally) come across the news that Ubuntu seek to implement a graphics system called "Wayland" as a replacement for X-Windows, on grounds like "We don't believe X is set up to deliver the user experience we want, with super-smooth graphics and effects," Shuttleworth explained. There is an article in PCWorld about it: http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/210018/ ubuntu_will_adopt_wayland_graphics_system.html (Equivalently: http://tinyurl.com/3ygzme3 ) and, it seems from other sources, Fedora plan to do the same (though I'm not seeing any such signs on the Debian front). Wayland may be more glitzy (for all I know) and more likely to pull in users who currently prefer the Mac experience and the like. But I am seriously perturbed by the following (in the above article): "Among the X11 capabilities not included in Wayland is network transparency." The Joy of X has been that one can run different programs on different machines all the while sitting at the one machine, with X happily transmitting anything X-ish over the network to be happily displayed by the X-server on one's own machine. Would this cease? And, in the case of the other machines which may be old and running only X, even if Wayland can offer "network transparency" could it provide a display server on the Wayland machine for X applications running on other machines (and not just in Linux -- other machines running "real" Unix with X can communicate just as well)? If not, then Linux as we know it could cease to exist! Transparent networking with X is one of the joys of Linux/Unix. Any views/news? Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <ted.harding(a)wlandres.net> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 09-Dec-10 Time: 19:45:57 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Ubuntu-xerox-cups won't print large files
by Jenny Hopkins 10 Dec '10

10 Dec '10

Hi ALUG, I have an annoying CUPS printer problem: Printer: Xerox workcentre pro 128 Driver: v3015.103 Cups server running on Ubuntu connection socket://{xerox_ip} The problem is when trying to print a large file (the test file is a 731K pdf doc). Error log for cups shows D [09/Dec/2010:14:29:41 +0000] [Job 2972] Wrote 4096 bytes of print data... D [09/Dec/2010:14:29:41 +0000] [Job 2972] Read 4096 bytes of print data... D [09/Dec/2010:14:29:41 +0000] [Job 2972] Wrote 4096 bytes of print data... (for many many lines.. ...and then....) D [09/Dec/2010:14:29:41 +0000] [Job 2972] Read 8192 bytes of print data... D [09/Dec/2010:14:29:41 +0000] [Job 2972] Wrote 8192 bytes of print data... Then it comes out with some cupsd type stuff like: D [09/Dec/2010:14:29:45 +0000] Returning IPP successful-ok for Get-Notifications (/) from localhost D [09/Dec/2010:14:29:45 +0000] cupsdSetBusyState: Printing jobs and dirty files D [09/Dec/2010:14:29:45 +0000] cupsdReadClient: 12 WAITING Closing on EOF then back to the 8192 thing, then it hangs and the Xerox dies and has to be turned on and off. Cups web page error says: "Unable to write print data: Broken pipe" I changed connection from socket to lpd but not much difference, apart from the cups web page changed to: "/usr/lib/cups/backend/lpd failed" I tried printing to cups-pdf then printing from the generated doc, but no difference. Does anybody know if this means the printer itself hasn't enough memory, or if the cups server has a file limit set somewhere? Or any other ideas? Many thanks, More log files can be supplied on request but I've just been trawling about trying to find a solution to this, and reading through page after page of people posting up their entire cups error logs had started to get very tedious.... Jenny

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How to get to single user mode from boot?
by Chris G 08 Dec '10

08 Dec '10

I have got myself locked out of my old eeePC 7" netbook, I don't understand why, but anyway - is there a way to get to single user mode without a CD or USB memory stick to boot from? I'm out in Belgium away from home with this netbook (Acer Aspire One) which is all working OK and the old eeePC 700 serie that I want to configure and leave here. I can download a certain amount here (3-G connection) but big downloads are out. Is there maybe a minimal download I can do to create a bootable memory stick to sort out the eeePC? (I have a memory stick and can download tens of Mb without too much problem) -- Chris Green

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Re: [ALUG] Travelodge Wifi
by Jim Rippon 08 Dec '10

08 Dec '10

Mark, Keith and Tim, Thanks for your replies - I was a bit short on useful information in my last message, sorry. I can associate with the AP and obtain an IP fine, my problems are that once connected I can't get the registration page to load. In Window$, it comes up fine (in both Chrome and Firefox), but in Ubuntu I just get a broken img artefact and a message to the effect of "service not available try again later" I'd be happy to just use something else, but as I paid for wifi with my room, I kinda feel a bit cheated that I can't use it for is intended purpose to practise and revise my coursework. Thanks for your input :) Jim Sent from Samsung mobile

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Travelodge Wifi
by Jim Rippon 08 Dec '10

08 Dec '10

Hi all, I'm stuck in a Travelodge in Marylebone this week while renewing my RHCE certification. Unfortunately I can only get connected to the travelodge wifi from Windows on my laptop - doesn't seem to make much difference which browser choice I make when back in Linux where I want to me. Any suggestions more than welcome :) Jim

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Re: [ALUG] Linux Laptop
by Steve Engledow 07 Dec '10

07 Dec '10

> Id love a new Mac but cant afford it. No you don't, that's just the conditioning talking ;) > So I am looking for suggestions. It will run Ubuntu or Mint alongside > Windows (for those times when you have to use Windows). If you've had a mac for 11 years, what times do you face when need Windows? Go the whole hog, you'll love it :) Life without Gates, Jobs, or other corporate monsters with plural nouns for surnames is far shinier. In the REM sense. > It needs to be fairly small, with a built in CD drive, USB, PCMCIA > slot and built in sound. I know that all sounds fairly standard but > Ive had machines in the past few years without some of these. > > It really needs to be at least a 1Ghz machine capable of 1GB RAM - > DDR preferably but PC133 would be ok. I bought a low-end Toshiba jobbie a while back and it's done me pretty well over the years. Anything brought out within the last 5 years or so is likely supported fairly well. I now await the reply which shoots that down ;) HTH, HAND Steve P.S. Sorry Simon, I blindly hit the reply button forgetting that I wasn't in mutt.

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Re: [ALUG] Linux Laptop
by Anthony Anson 07 Dec '10

07 Dec '10

Brett Parker wrote: > imagemagick was definitely part of lenny, so yes :) Found the bag lurking, so shall install it. (The app, not the bag) Ta. (There's so much on those discs, and most of it isn't self-exlanatory. There's probably a list somewhere too. If so, any idea where it is, and what it's called, and does it give a brief indication of what each app is for? -- Tony Anson www.girolle.co.uk/

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Re: [ALUG] Linux Laptop
by Steve Engledow 06 Dec '10

06 Dec '10

On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 12:59:23 +0000, Brett Parker <iDunno(a)sommitrealweird.co.uk> wrote: >> And don't say "The Gimp" - IMO it's a pile of poo. > > That's your opinion, and you're welcome to it. It's just as intuitive > as > either that you've listed (i.e. not at all). Personally I can find > things a hell of a lot quicker in GIMP than in PSP or Photoshop, and > I > used to use PSP "rather a lot". This conversation comes up an awful lot. I think the intuitiveness of gimp is relative to whether or not you're expecting it to be like Photoshop. The photoshop fanboys would necessarily find it unintuitive because it uses a different interface. For the record, I've been using gimp for years and, a couple of years ago, had occasion to use photoshop when on a friend's PC and found it to be /horribly/ unintuitive. Out of interest, has anyone tried gimpshop? I gather that was/is a project to make gimp seem familiar to photoshop users. Steve P.S. Bloody done it again! Sorry Brett. I'm coming from Roundcube jooi

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Re: [ALUG] main Digest, Vol 66, Issue 5
by Seansurfcentre＠aol.com 05 Dec '10

05 Dec '10

Hi I am Ok fo 20/12/10. Regards Sean Myles In a message dated 05/12/2010 12:00:19 GMT Standard Time, main-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk writes: Send main mailing list submissions to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to main-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at main-owner(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of main digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: FW: What would cause this lack of decision about a host on the LAN? (keithjamieson(a)hotmail.co.uk) 2. Re: Annual ALUG Ipswich Xmas Meal - 20/12/10 (probably) (samwise) 3. Re: Annual ALUG Ipswich Xmas Meal - 20/12/10 (probably) (Anthony Anson) 4. Re: Annual ALUG Ipswich Xmas Meal - 20/12/10 (probably) (samwise) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 16:01:55 +0000 From: <keithjamieson(a)hotmail.co.uk> Subject: Re: [ALUG] FW: What would cause this lack of decision about a host on the LAN? To: <cl(a)isbd.net>, Alug <main(a)lists.alug.org.uk> Message-ID: <SNT116-W282079EE3EEC52B52FC25EF1290(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Chris With the name being "oldchris" it might not register its name with the DNS server, once it gets it IP via DHCP. And so the server does the nslookup ? Just a thought. Keith ---------------------------------------- > Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 17:32:19 +0000 > From: cl(a)isbd.net > To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > Subject: Re: [ALUG] FW: What would cause this lack of decision about a host on the LAN? > > On Fri, Dec 03, 2010 at 03:50:33PM +0000, keithjamieson(a)hotmail.co.uk wrote: > > > The command > > > > > > > root@mws:~# host oldchris > > > > > > does a hosts lookup, I assume in the local tables, and gets > > > > > > > oldchris.zbmc.eu has address 192.168.1.140 > > > > > > ... and then does a DNS lookup and .... > > > > > > > Host oldchris.zbmc.eu not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) > > > > > > ... as is on my machine... > > > > > OK, but why does it try the second lookup? If I do other 'host' > commands I don't get the same result:- > > chris$ host chris.zbmc.eu > chris.zbmc.eu has address 192.168.1.4 > chris$ host dps.zbmc.eu > dps.zbmc.eu has address 192.168.1.2 > chris$ host oldchris.zbmc.eu > oldchris.zbmc.eu has address 192.168.1.140 > Host oldchris.zbmc.eu not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) > chris$ host backup.zbmc.eu > backup.zbmc.eu has address 192.168.1.88 > chris$ host laptop.zbmc.eu > laptop.zbmc.eu has address 192.168.1.84 > > Note that 192.168.1.4 and 192.168.1.2 are 'static' in that they're in > the /etc/hosts file on the machine that is the DNS server, the others > get their address using DHCP. > > I'll ask on the dnsmasq list too, the DNS server uses dnsmasq. > > -- > Chris Green > > _______________________________________________ > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > http://www.alug.org.uk/ > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 16:13:52 +0000 From: samwise <samwise(a)bagshot-row.org> Subject: Re: [ALUG] Annual ALUG Ipswich Xmas Meal - 20/12/10 (probably) To: ALUG <main(a)lists.alug.org.uk> Message-ID: <AANLkTin983umjj-BX1avK0QGsQz3B328RBjcyksEBRUT(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Apologies for the repetition of this email, but I've had only two responses to this so far, and only one of those is able to attend, which at the moment is making a gathering of three. There were quite a few ppl at the last meet who sounded like they were up for this again, so can I ask if anyone just hasn't responded yet, can you do so soon? If I get some more interest, I'll book somewhere, otherwise we'll make it a normal meet and maybe try an ad-hoc meal out somewhere, depending on the feeling on the night. Thanks, Peter. On 18 November 2010 10:35, samwise <samwise(a)bagshot-row.org> wrote: > Hey, all. > > It's that festive time of year again. ?We talked about this at the > last Ipswich meet and there was a groundswell of approval for another > Christmas meal again this year. > > I'll nominally start by proposing 20:00 on the the same date as the > usual Ipswich ALUG meet (20th Dec), but please drop me a line if you'd > like to attend but think that would be an awkward date for you as I'm > sure we can re-arrange it, when I have a list of who's coming. > > Everyone is welcome - no need to be a LUG regular. > > Please mail me off-list, if you'd like to join in. ?When I have a list > of ppl who'll be there, we can settle on where we want to go and > finalise the date. > > Cheers, > > Peter. > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 16:34:32 +0000 From: Anthony Anson <tony.anson(a)girolle.co.uk> Subject: Re: [ALUG] Annual ALUG Ipswich Xmas Meal - 20/12/10 (probably) To: alug list <main(a)lists.alug.org.uk> Message-ID: <4CFA6D98.8000300(a)girolle.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed samwise wrote: /Invitation/ 'Fraid travel to and from Ipswich is out of the question from this corner of the South Norfolk Triangle. -- Tony Anson www.girolle.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 16:36:23 +0000 From: samwise <samwise(a)bagshot-row.org> Subject: Re: [ALUG] Annual ALUG Ipswich Xmas Meal - 20/12/10 (probably) To: alug list <main(a)lists.alug.org.uk> Message-ID: <AANLkTiktUaLRTLUQ=_+iGSv_EmaAm8MBuiL24KkzeUMR(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 No worries, Tony. I wasn't intending to guilt anyway, just catch up any stragglers. Our numbers tend to fluctuate so sometimes we have large meets, other times very small. If December is just on the small side, we'll play it by ear. I've had at least one more possible respondee tho, so the numbers are creeping up. :) Peter. On 4 December 2010 16:34, Anthony Anson <tony.anson(a)girolle.co.uk> wrote: > samwise wrote: > > /Invitation/ > > 'Fraid travel to and from Ipswich is out of the question from this corner of > the South Norfolk Triangle. > > -- > Tony Anson > www.girolle.co.uk/ > > _______________________________________________ > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > http://www.alug.org.uk/ > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > Unsubscribe? ?See message headers or the web site above! > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main End of main Digest, Vol 66, Issue 5 ***********************************

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