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Re: [Alug] Netscape 4.77 cache question
by MJ Ray 19 Dec '01

19 Dec '01

Edenyard: > Sounds a bit like the state of play with this wretched DOS browser. > Sort-of almost works, but.... It's not really the fault of the browser, but the fault of the web developer if there are anything other than cosmetic problems because you're not using a CSS-ready browser. Absence of flash, javascript, etc, should not make a site inaccessible. (Absence of cookies is trickier, but arachne does cookies, IIRC.) -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Netscape 4.77 cache question
by Ricardo Campos 18 Dec '01

18 Dec '01

> If a Netscape 6 should come floating by, I'll have a >go at that, but isn't it true to say that the higher a >version number is, the slower it runs on old hardware? I was lazy too, and was comparing Netscape 4.77 to "Mozilla 5". Mozilla won, of course. But this thread prompted me to upgrade to Netscape 6. What a *very* sensible thing to do!!!! I'm lucky in that hardware isn't a problem for me, but I must say that Netscape 6 is (so far) utterly robust, a doddle to expand (i.e. plugins), and the caching is the best I've seen. Netscape 6 gets my thumbs up. Bigtime. :) (And the Linux version seems much quicker than the windows version! Ha!) Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Highspeed access for everyone...
by Simon 18 Dec '01

18 Dec '01

Well most of you guys will probably already have heard about this, but since I haven't seen any posts I thought I'd be first to get flamed/thanked... http://www.btopenworld.com/satellite/index.html BT are going to be rolling out a satellite solution 500k down 150k upstream, and (obviously) it's not area dependant.. Bit pricy though £140 +vat per month!! still it's a start, us who live in the outback can get a decent net connection before too long... Just been to the BT account manager for our company and he said that if a good case can be put forward it's easily possible to get it before the official roll-out date in April 2002.. Simon "It's hard to be fit as a fiddle when you're shaped like a cello"

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Re: [Alug] Netscape 4.77 cache question
by Edenyard 18 Dec '01

18 Dec '01

On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 11:39:26 +0000, MJ Ray wrote: > You might like to take a look at "dillo", which is a very fast browser that > will display pages, although it's still a long way from supporting enough to > render them all correctly. It also misses JavaScript, cookies, etc, so > you'll need another browser on-hand for some sites. > Sounds a bit like the state of play with this wretched DOS browser. Sort-of almost works, but.... > > Another option is to add an offline browsing cache, such as wwwoffle, to > your current setup. That has its own quirks, but it's quite useful. > Ah - that does sound interesting. I'll look into it. Thanks for the tips. Gerald. -- Arachne V1.70;rev.3, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/

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Re: [Alug] Netscape 4.77 cache question
by Ricardo Campos 18 Dec '01

18 Dec '01

> Dennis: > > Netscape 6 is very bloated and slow... [...] > > The latest 6.x is a lot better. I agree, the version of Netscape (6.2 I think) I downloaded on Sunday loads up faster, and parses web pages faster than Netscape 4.77. Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Netscape 4.77 cache question
by MJ Ray 18 Dec '01

18 Dec '01

Dennis: > Netscape 6 is very bloated and slow... [...] The latest 6.x is a lot better. > well thats what ive been told. [...] Untethered bungees are a good idea. ;-) > Try galeon (spelling?) its abit faster... or you could go for lynx if you > realy want some speed ;) Galeon is only faster if you run Gnome already. Otherwise skipstone, I think, or dillo if you really want speed, or w3m for text mode. -- MJR

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Re: Re: [Alug] Netscape 4.77 cache question
by Dryden 18 Dec '01

18 Dec '01

> Fair enough! You know that a lot of what I do is based either on > laziness or ignorance and that's how I come to be using 4.77 - it came > with slackware 8! I did install the Mozilla that came with same, but that > seemed to take forever to load up and about the same time to actually do > anything. If a Netscape 6 should come floating by, I'll have a go at > that, but isn't it true to say that the higher a version number is, the > slower it runs on old hardware? Don't forget I'm on an ex- skip P166MMX. > before you groan and give up on me totally, let me tell you that this is > quite an upgrade from my trusty 486DX4100 which I use for my work. Netscape 6 is very bloated and slow... well thats what ive been told. Im also guessing that its got alot of problems as no distro i know of has it... but then im not 100% about that :) oh and im in hte same boat i upgraded from a 486DX4 100MHz to a P 133, and i agree mozila is very slow. Try galeon (spelling?) its abit faster... or you could go for lynx if you realy want some speed ;) Dennis Dryden ********************************************************************** IMPORTANT: This email and its attachments are intended for the addressee only and may be confidential. If they have come to you in error you must take no action based on them nor must you copy or show them to anyone; please telephone us immediately. The contents of this email and attachments represent the views of the sender and are not necessarily the representative of the views of The College of West Anglia **********************************************************************

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UK LUG Distribution specific mailing lists
by John Seago 18 Dec '01

18 Dec '01

Some members of this list may not be aware of the existance of distribution specific mailing lists, listed as, `Support Mailing Lists', on this web site: http://www.lug.org.uk/ I would not like to be thought to be suggesting these as an alternative to ALUG. I am however suggesting that they may offer an extra level of support/interest to the members of the ALUG list. John Seago

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Re: [Alug] box crash question
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 17 Dec '01

17 Dec '01

David Fairey wrote: >If you add "rtl8139" to the end of the "/etc/modules" file >it should load the module everytime the machine boots. Then >rest of the boot scripts will startup ifconfig and route >before samba does. I have the line options rtl8139 io=0xdc00 irq=10 in etc/modules, is this what you mean? It was put there by modutils when i ran update-modules. That is the only reference to rtl8139 though. >(Assuming you have all the correct entries in >/etc/network/interfaces file for eth0). The only thing i think I may be missing is ONBOOT=YES.....not sure if it is ok juist to plonk that at the end of /etc/network/interfaces for iface eth0 or not? Earl Brannigan wrote >do you have the modules.conf entries for rtl8139 ? if you have them then >whenever networking is brought up modprobe is able to start them. Shouldn't >the modules reside in /lib/modules/<version>/ ? Yes, I have just looked and rtl8139.o is present and correct in /lib/modules etc. >The daemons should be started by init. under /etc/init.d/ there should be a >script for each of the daemons you want started sometime or other. Under >/etc/rcN.d/ (where N is the runlevel) there should be a symlink to files in >the init.d directory. (man init should help). The daemons start ok, I just need to restart them after entering network information correctly. But I've just gone and looked at init.d and started to vaguely comprehend what is going on there. I could write any small script, (e.g. adding routes and modules if I can't figure it out the "proper" way?), plonk it here and symlink to it then? >Was an X session running at the time ? This was re. my weird box-locking up. No, I rarely use X on this box. Thanks for the suggestion though. Thanks! Jen.

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Re: [Alug] Netscape 4.77 cache question
by MJ Ray 17 Dec '01

17 Dec '01

Edenyard: > I did install the Mozilla that came with same, but that > seemed to take forever to load up and about the same time to actually do > anything. Yes, Mozilla has only recently started to get fast enough for decent use. I'm not sure how it'll fare on a P166, but like Netscape 4 before it, memory is the real limit. You can dress Mozilla up in a light front-end such as Skipstone, which is something you couldn't do with NN4. You might like to take a look at "dillo", which is a very fast browser that will display pages, although it's still a long way from supporting enough to render them all correctly. It also misses JavaScript, cookies, etc, so you'll need another browser on-hand for some sites. Another option is to add an offline browsing cache, such as wwwoffle, to your current setup. That has its own quirks, but it's quite useful. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] ipchains replacement
by Laurie Brown 17 Dec '01

17 Dec '01

Richard Kettlewell wrote: > Laurie Brown writes: > >>Richard Kettlewell wrote: >> >> >>>Laurie Brown <laurie(a)brownowl.com> writes: >>> > >>>>Hi, Ian: my pleasure. "Passim" is old-fashioned shorthand (Latin, >>>>actually) for "in the past" or "previous/ly". It means: look in >>>>the archives! >>>> >>>It means "here and there" or "throughout", nothing to do with the >>>past. >>> >>Granted that's its literal translation, but one would hardly archive >>something that hasn't been written yet. "ALUG passim" can only mean >>to look for something in the past. >> > > It's the definition given in English dictionaries as well as > English-Latin ones. "<foo> passim" to me implies multiple > occurrences, throughout <foo>, but "previously" or "in the past" might > only refer to a single occurrence. Granted. Luckily in this case, there are several occurrences in old ALUG stiff! Cheers, Laurie. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laurie Brown laurie(a)brownowl.com PGP key at http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371 ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: /etc/fstab
by John Seago 17 Dec '01

17 Dec '01

I wrote the line suggested by Mark into my /etc/fstab file, and made a new directory `floppy' in both the root and user home directories, but on trying to mount the floppy I received the message `mount, mount point /floppy does not exist'. The failure of the other entries I made were usually due to the same failure. There must be something blindingly obvious I've missed somewhere, if someone feels able to point me in the right direction I'd be extremely grateful. Please excuse my gross ignorance. John seago

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Re: [Alug] Re: /etc/fstab
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 17 Dec '01

17 Dec '01

If the directory 'floppy' is in your home directory, don't you want to be doing mount /dev/fd0 /home/john/floppy ? That appends the contents of your floppy into the directory 'floppy' Jen. John Seago <john.seago@daking To: "Mark Ray" <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> s.co.uk> cc: "ALUG" <main(a)lists.alug.org.uk> Sent by: Subject: [Alug] Re: /etc/fstab main-admin(a)lists.a lug.org.uk 16/12/2001 18:44 Please respond to john.seago I wrote the line suggested by Mark into my /etc/fstab file, and made a new directory `floppy' in both the root and user home directories, but on trying to mount the floppy I received the message `mount, mount point /floppy does not exist'. The failure of the other entries I made were usually due to the same failure. There must be something blindingly obvious I've missed somewhere, if someone feels able to point me in the right direction I'd be extremely grateful. Please excuse my gross ignorance. John seago _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above!

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Apologies, Double Post
by John Seago 17 Dec '01

17 Dec '01

Imust apologise for double posting the same question to the list. I assumed as the first one did not appear in the next list, or the following one that it had not arrived, therefore I posted an ammended version on Sunday. I have found various suggestions for an /etc/fstab entry that will enable me to access, read and write to and from the floppy in various places on newsgroups and Slackware related sites, however none of them seem to actually work, (they probably do, I expect it's mainly incompetence on my part). John Seago

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Re: [Alug] Burning CDs
by Edenyard 17 Dec '01

17 Dec '01

On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 21:06:38 +0000, Andrew Bayliss wrote: > Main Menu -> Create CD -> Write Tracks -> Blank CD-RW (bottom right corner) > It's not exactly in the most obvious place I'll admit. This is in > 0.98alpha9. > Many thanks for that. In my rather flimsy defence, I tend to try all menu options and examine what they do, but I'm generally rather reluctant to go pressing a button labelled 'write' without having a good reason for doing so. Anyway - thanks again. It worked a treat! Gerald.

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Re: [Alug] Netscape 4.77 cache question
by Edenyard 17 Dec '01

17 Dec '01

On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 11:30:40 +0000, MJ Ray wrote: > Come on. A dead stoat can beat certain aspects of Netscape 4.77. Why not > compare it with Mozilla or Netscape 6 which has a little "offline browsing" > toggle? > Fair enough! You know that a lot of what I do is based either on laziness or ignorance and that's how I come to be using 4.77 - it came with slackware 8! I did install the Mozilla that came with same, but that seemed to take forever to load up and about the same time to actually do anything. If a Netscape 6 should come floating by, I'll have a go at that, but isn't it true to say that the higher a version number is, the slower it runs on old hardware? Don't forget I'm on an ex-skip P166MMX. before you groan and give up on me totally, let me tell you that this is quite an upgrade from my trusty 486DX4100 which I use for my work. I know, I know - there's really no hope for some of us, is there! Gerald.

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Re: [Alug] Mounting Devices as a user in Slackware (KDE)
by MJ Ray 16 Dec '01

16 Dec '01

> It worked nicely, emboldened by this success, and with my over confidence > fueled by prescription pain-killers, I extrapolated this from the above: > /dev/fd0 /home/john/fd0 ext2 noauto,user,ro 1 1 I have: /dev/fd0 /floppy auto defaults,user,noauto 00 Maybe you meant "auto" or "msdos" instead of ext2? ext2 can be used on floppies, but isn't very often. I think I usually run autofs to access the floppy, but this particular machine has avfs making floppies appear at /#a... I don't really recommend avfs for the masses yet. -- MJR

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Mounting Devices as a user in Slackware (KDE)
by John Seago 16 Dec '01

16 Dec '01

On Friday I wrote this into my /etc/fstab file: /dev/cdrom /home/john/cdrom iso9660 noauto,user,ro 0 0 It worked nicely, emboldened by this success, and with my over confidence fueled by prescription pain-killers, I extrapolated this from the above: /dev/fd0 /home/john/fd0 ext2 noauto,user,ro 1 1 (this latter 1 1 as access was denied otherwise), this succeeded in damaging the filesystem beyond what I could do to repair it. Is there an /etc/fstab entry which will enable me to access both the cd and the floppy as a user in KDE? Is this a question I need to ask on a specialist Slackware list? Many thanks for any advice you may wish to give. -- John Seago `change and progress are not necessarily the same things'

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Re: [Alug] Netscape 4.77 cache question
by MJ Ray 16 Dec '01

16 Dec '01

Edenyard: > A rare case of one up to the DOS browser, I suppose! Come on. A dead stoat can beat certain aspects of Netscape 4.77. Why not compare it with Mozilla or Netscape 6 which has a little "offline browsing" toggle? -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] ipchains replacement
by Richard Kettlewell 16 Dec '01

16 Dec '01

Laurie Brown <laurie(a)brownowl.com> writes: > Ian Douglas wrote: >> Thanks for the advice and offer of help. Unfortunately, as I >> mentioned, I am a bit of a newbie and have not fully found my way >> around the ALUG website, nor its terminology, yet. What exactly is >> the "ALUG lists passim" you refer to? > > Hi, Ian: my pleasure. "Passim" is old-fashioned shorthand (Latin, > actually) for "in the past" or "previous/ly". It means: look in the > archives! It means "here and there" or "throughout", nothing to do with the past. -- http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

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Mounting Devices as user in Slackware 8
by John Seago 16 Dec '01

16 Dec '01

Yesterday I wrote this into my /etc/fsatb file: /dev/cdrom /home/john/cdrom iso9660 noauto,user,ro 0 0 It worked nicely, emboldened by this success, and with my over confidence fueled by prescription pain-killers, I extrapolated this from the above: /dev/fd0 /home/john/fd0 ext2 noauto,user,ro 1 1 (this latter 1 1 as access was denied otherwise), this succeeded in damaging the filesystem beyond what I could do to repair it. Is there an /etc/fstab entry which will enable me to access both the cd and the floppy as a user? Is this a question I need to ask on a specialist Slackware list? Many thanks for any advice you may wish to give. -- John Seago `change and progress are not necessarily the same things'

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Re: [Alug] redirecting into a command...
by MJ Ray 16 Dec '01

16 Dec '01

Simon: > rsh -l<login-name> <router-ip> sh ver "rsh -l login ip" on its own should get you a login shell. rcp is the usual way to copy files across, but "cat srcfile | rsh -l login ip 'sh cat >destfile'" should work if you have to. Hope that helps. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Netscape 4.77 cache question
by Edenyard 16 Dec '01

16 Dec '01

Many thanks to Ricardo and Ian for suggesting to set "Compare pages = NEVER". This seems to improve the situation but not cure it in all cases. It still seems as though it doesn't know where to look when it finds the modem not connected. A rare case of one up to the DOS browser, I suppose! Gerald.

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Burning CDs
by Edenyard 15 Dec '01

15 Dec '01

Having now managed to install my CD-RW drive and load up cdrecord 1.10 in Slackware, I've started to fiddle with actually making CDs. I downloaded Xcdroast and managed to get it to run, but I can't find any buttons at all that erase a previously recorded CD-RW disk and it seems that Xcdroast won't just simply write the new files to a previously recorded CD-RW disk. Am I missing something obvious? Is Xcdroast the best front-end for the CD-writing process? I picked it because I could get a .TGZ file already to install in Slackware. (Alright - call me chicken!) As always, all advice very gratefully received! Gerald.

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Re: [Alug] ipchains replacement
by Laurie Brown 15 Dec '01

15 Dec '01

Ian Douglas wrote: >>Laurie Brown wrote: >>I've done a fair bit of work on firewalls, and ALUG lists passim >>have a few examples. Shout if you need help. >> > > Hi Laurie, > > Thanks for the advice and offer of help. Unfortunately, as I mentioned, I > am a bit of a newbie and have not fully found my way around the ALUG > website, nor its terminology, yet. What exactly is the "ALUG lists passim" > you refer to? Hi, Ian: my pleasure. "Passim" is old-fashioned shorthand (Latin, actually) for "in the past" or "previous/ly". It means: look in the archives! Actually, the 'Net is the resource you need. I'll expand when I answer your other post. Cheers, Laurie. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laurie Brown laurie(a)brownowl.com PGP key at http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371 ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [Alug] ipchains replacement
by MJ Ray 15 Dec '01

15 Dec '01

Ian Douglas: > The kernel I am using is 2.4.10 and I am wondering if this error message is > hinting that ipchains has now been superseded. Is there a modern > replacement for ipchains? If so then what is it and where could I find some > info on setting it up to protect my PC? Yes, there's iptables for 2.4.x (sure you can't upgrade from .10 yet?) and there should be guides to using it in pretty much the same places that tell you how to use ipchains for 2.2.x, I think. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Laptop error message
by MJ Ray 15 Dec '01

15 Dec '01

Ian Douglas: > means so I can learn how to interpret it myself rather than bother you guys > again? Oh yeah -- the other way to find out what it means is to figure out what is happening to trigger it... eg, in this case, it says apm, so does it coincide with the system suspend or something? -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] box crash question
by David Fairey 14 Dec '01

14 Dec '01

> Two questions: > 1. why would this happen? (answer 42 or fish?) > > 2. I have to re-enter all the network card stuff manually > insmod rtl8139 > route add network stuff > restart samba daemons > etc etc > each time the box restarts...a).why doesn't the rtl8139 module get > discovered automatically (it is in etc/modutils) and b)can I add all this > stuff to a startup script in debian? If you add "rtl8139" to the end of the "/etc/modules" file it should load the module everytime the machine boots. Then rest of the boot scripts will startup ifconfig and route before samba does. (Assuming you have all the correct entries in /etc/network/interfaces file for eth0). D.

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box crash question
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 14 Dec '01

14 Dec '01

Hi all, When I came in yesterday morning my box had done some form of crash. Couldn't telnet in, keyboard wouldn't respond, nothing. After nasty reboot and messy things I checked all the log files but could find nothing unusual, last /var/log/messages showed a check at 8.15 am then nothing. The box has a ups connected to give it back-up power so can't have been due to a power blip. Two questions: 1. why would this happen? (answer 42 or fish?) 2. I have to re-enter all the network card stuff manually insmod rtl8139 route add network stuff restart samba daemons etc etc each time the box restarts...a).why doesn't the rtl8139 module get discovered automatically (it is in etc/modutils) and b)can I add all this stuff to a startup script in debian? (Three questions cleverly disguised as two) Thanks, Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] Netscape 4.77 cache question
by Ricardo Campos 14 Dec '01

14 Dec '01

>When I click on the entry in > the hotlist sometime later after having hung up the modem line, I > should get the page back because it's been found in the cache. But it > doesn't. I just get the error box with the unreachable host message. Try Edit>Preferences>Cache. Under "Compare the page in the cache to the page in the network"- what does it say? Choose NEVER, I think the default is "Automatically". Why it doesn't just display the old page, I don't know. (So this might not be the answer, or maybe a bug) I've noticed that the cache seems to make less of a difference than in IE 5 on a M$ machine, at least in it's default configuration. Oh, the things we put up with for our love of Linux! ;) Ricardo "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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redirecting into a command...
by Simon 14 Dec '01

14 Dec '01

Helppp.. Hi Guys, I'm trying to update a router config from a file remotely using rsh.. I know I get a connection as rsh -l<login-name> <router-ip> sh ver works.. But I want to update a few lines for the config, can someone give me a few pointers on how to either redirect or parse or whatever I need to do to get the data out of the file and into the router using rsh (preferably). Simon "It's hard to be fit as a fiddle when you're shaped like a cello"

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Re: [Alug] Laptop error message
by MJ Ray 14 Dec '01

14 Dec '01

Ian Douglas: > <1>Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address [...] > Firstly, does anyone know what is causing this repeated error message and > what I can do to cure it. That's a kernel fart, I think. My normal solution is to rebuild a kernel that's better suited to my hardware, and/or upgrade the kernel to a less buggy one. > Secondly, if I come across an error message like this in the future could > anyone recommend any info anywhere which would help me understand what it > means so I can learn how to interpret it myself rather than bother you guys > again? Your best bet is to search mailing lists and/or newsgroups on google and see what people like the kernel developers have said about the error. You'll probably have more luck searching on the interesting parts of the message like "Bad EIP" than "Null pointer..." which is quite a common error. Hope that helps. -- MJR

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Laptop error message
by Ian Douglas 14 Dec '01

14 Dec '01

Hi folks, I am a newbie user and have recently installed Linux on my laptop (IBM Thinkpad 560E). (Is this the first sign of Linux addiction??). The installation appears to have gone smoothly, however, I recently issued a "dmesg" command to look up some boot details and found it contained the following error message repeated several times: Code: Bad EIP value. <1>Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 000002bb printing eip: 00000008 *pde = 00000000 Oops: 0002 CPU: 0 EIP: 0050:[<00000008>] EFLAGS: 00010216 eax: 0000530a ebx: 00000001 ecx: 00000000 edx: 00000000 esi: 000000ff edi: 00000292 ebp: 00000000 esp: c3bebec4 ds: 0058 es: 0000 ss: 0018 Process apm (pid: 3059, stackpage=c3beb000) Stack: 00480026 c3bebf28 00000000 c0110813 00000010 c3bebf28 00000292 00000018 00000018 c3bebf66 000000ff ffffffff ffffffff c0110000 40100000 c0110a7f 0000530a 00000001 00000000 c3bebf28 c3bebf2c c3bebf30 c3bebf34 c3bebf38 Call Trace: [<c0110813>] [<c0110000>] [<c0110a7f>] [<c01117b6>] [<c014e838>] [<c01324d6>] [<c0106e63>] Firstly, does anyone know what is causing this repeated error message and what I can do to cure it. Secondly, if I come across an error message like this in the future could anyone recommend any info anywhere which would help me understand what it means so I can learn how to interpret it myself rather than bother you guys again? Ian.

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duel displays???
by Dryden 13 Dec '01

13 Dec '01

Can i just use two gfx cards connected up to different monitors... or do i need a duel head card like some of the matrox ones. Its just ive got 2 gfx cards and i would like to use them in X when im debuging programs. will i have problems if they are different cards with diff memory etc...? ********************************************************************** IMPORTANT: This email and its attachments are intended for the addressee only and may be confidential. If they have come to you in error you must take no action based on them nor must you copy or show them to anyone; please telephone us immediately. The contents of this email and attachments represent the views of the sender and are not necessarily the representative of the views of The College of West Anglia **********************************************************************

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Netscape 4.77 cache question
by Edenyard 13 Dec '01

13 Dec '01

Am I the only one for whom the Netscape V4.77 (Linux) cache doesn't seem to work? I have disk cache set to 20Mb, RAM cache set to whatever it came with, and the correct subdirectory in the home directory but it doesn't work as expected. I assume that, when I visit a site, the page that I look at is stored in the cache. When I click on the entry in the hotlist sometime later after having hung up the modem line, I should get the page back because it's been found in the cache. But it doesn't. I just get the error box with the unreachable host message. Maybe I've completely mis-understood how it's meant to work. But this is the way my little old DOS graphical browser works. Thanks for any ideas! Gerald.

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Everybody's Linux
by Laurie Brown 13 Dec '01

13 Dec '01

This looks worth a look: http://www.elxlinux.com See this write-up first: http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT2800785910.html One plus seems to be that they appear to have used KDE, but included the Gnome libraries so GNUCash and Galeon work. Cheers, Laurie. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laurie Brown laurie(a)brownowl.com PGP key at http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371 ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [Alug] Some advice or pointers please...
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 13 Dec '01

13 Dec '01

Simon wrote: I need a \"web based\" PIM/scheduler/calender type piece of software, anyone know of a good multiuser environment type application ?? I don't suppose this is anywhere near the mark, is it? (Way off knowing me, but I'm trying to be helpful before drinking sufficient black sweet coffee to get brain cells stirring in any kind of coherent fashion.)(We should all be hibernating anyway; ridiculous idea, getting up and going out at this time of year). http://www.zend.com/zend/tut/calendar-ver7f.php Jenny

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Re: [Alug] RE: Website
by MJ Ray 13 Dec '01

13 Dec '01

John: > yes, see: http://phpwiki.sourceforge.net Talk about hiding its light under a vat of very thick concrete! I can't find a feature list for this (including, most importantly, does it do versioning?) and the docs dir in CVS is empty. Or am I just looking in the wrong place? -- MJR

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Some advice or pointers please...
by simon＠sparksy.org.uk 12 Dec '01

12 Dec '01

Hi guys, I need a \"web based\" PIM/scheduler/calender type piece of software, anyone know of a good multiuser environment type application ?? Simon

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Re: [Alug] Web site
by Dryden 12 Dec '01

12 Dec '01

> Proposal: > - Move the ALUG web site to static core and a Wiki > Your options: > - Idly support this move (most people) > - Pledge to help maintain the wiki when it's online > - Mutiny (feel free) It sounds cool to me. Ill even try and help if i can... well ill do more then i do on the list but thats not hard. What about just adding a fourm to the site? Sorry i wasnt at the last meat... i got the bus times wrong for the X94 and would of been kinda L8 =P. ********************************************************************** IMPORTANT: This email and its attachments are intended for the addressee only and may be confidential. If they have come to you in error you must take no action based on them nor must you copy or show them to anyone; please telephone us immediately. The contents of this email and attachments represent the views of the sender and are not necessarily the representative of the views of The College of West Anglia **********************************************************************

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Re: [Alug] RE: Website
by MJ Ray 12 Dec '01

12 Dec '01

Ricardo: > Could the same be done with php? Would it require too much setting up? If you mean "are there wikis in php", I would expect so almost certainly. If you mean "can we allow arbitrary php in a wiki-style system", then hahahahahahaha no. > Could we use some kind of php Nuke/postnuke solution? (I might be missing > something here) I have one under development that we could use, but I didn't see ALUG as being that sort of site. Indeed, the Zope edition of the site had a squishdot which did SFA for its whole life. > Are these valid alternatives? It really depends on what we want out of it, > surely? It doesn't seem to clear to me what we actually want from the > site. Other than the basic info, it's no longer clear to me. I think it's to have some sort of "infobase" that we can store useful bits of info in easily for other group members. If we could attach files to it, it would get the suckers off the mailing list for good ;-) > We *should* consider some restriction IMHO, as there are plenty more > scriptkiddies and other destructive vermin than there are responsible > people... Pessimist. I disagree (about the numbers, not the need for some authentication). -- MJR

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RE: [Alug] Web site
by Peter Bassill 12 Dec '01

12 Dec '01

Hi all >OK, as part of my policy of announcing things about 17 years before I'll get >time to do it, I'm going to make the following proposal: > >Proposal: > - Move the ALUG web site to static core and a Wiki > Good Proposal >Your options: > - Idly support this move (most people) Sorry, I can idly support anything, i dont have enough blood in my caffine system > - Pledge to help maintain the wiki when it's online Pledge? Pledge? Like what americans do. Ill help support it yes. > - Mutiny (feel free) Is Mutiny not a hanging offence still? >Vote now :-) >-- >MJR Pete B Linux Maintainer / Developer and all round caffine addict

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RE: Website
by Ricardo Campos 11 Dec '01

11 Dec '01

Looked at Wiki-wiki. Looks like complete anarchy. I like it. ;-) Could the same be done with php? Would it require too much setting up? Could we use some kind of php Nuke/postnuke solution? (I might be missing something here) Are these valid alternatives? It really depends on what we want out of it, surely? It doesn't seem to clear to me what we actually want from the site. We *should* consider some restriction IMHO, as there are plenty more scriptkiddies and other destructive vermin than there are responsible people... Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Web site
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 11 Dec '01

11 Dec '01

MJRay wrote: >Proposal: > - Move the ALUG web site to static core and a Wiki >Background information: > http://c2.com/cgi/wiki >Rationale: > - We're not keeping an up-to-date site > - People bitch at me variously about XML and CVS > - People bitched at me about Zope > - People will still bitch about the Wiki, but at least we should get an > up-to-date web site with no barrier to entry at all. aaaaaaww.. I was looking forward to having to learn CVS sometime. I vote: always do everything the hard way wherever possible! Why make life easy. >Your options: > - Idly support this move (most people) > - Pledge to help maintain the wiki when it's online > - Mutiny (feel free) However, as learning cvs may be several years away on the scale of things, I'll help maintain with wiki, yes. I've given the url the most cursory of glances, being pretty hectic today, but am I right in thinking *anyone* can change stuff - aren't we asking for it? ps. Can I mutinise, as well, just for fun? Jenny. >Vote now :-) --

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Re: [Alug] Web site
by MJ Ray 11 Dec '01

11 Dec '01

Peter: > Pledge? Pledge? Like what americans do. Ill help support it yes. No, all your furniture polish are belong... > Is Mutiny not a hanging offence still? Only if there are sufficient people left to oppose you. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Next meet?
by MJ Ray 11 Dec '01

11 Dec '01

Syd: > OK, so what is a suitable date? I like the look of the 20th. Any objections? 13th is probably too early for long holidayers (eg students)? -- MJR

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Web site
by MJ Ray 11 Dec '01

11 Dec '01

OK, as part of my policy of announcing things about 17 years before I'll get time to do it, I'm going to make the following proposal: Proposal: - Move the ALUG web site to static core and a Wiki Background information: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki Rationale: - We're not keeping an up-to-date site - People bitch at me variously about XML and CVS - People bitched at me about Zope - People will still bitch about the Wiki, but at least we should get an up-to-date web site with no barrier to entry at all. Your options: - Idly support this move (most people) - Pledge to help maintain the wiki when it's online - Mutiny (feel free) Vote now :-) -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Next meet?
by MJ Ray 11 Dec '01

11 Dec '01

Simon: > Must get the heating sorted though.... May be able to get a dial-up > connection sorted this time as well. I'm quite happy to travel to Cheveley again, picking up anyone who wants to be collected from Ely or Newmarket stations (I don't think that's too much of a route detour). I would like to see us use a venue in King's Lynn in February if possible. The venue I'd been thinking of is not open at weekends, though, so if someone else in KL has a venue we can use, please mail me now ;-) -- MJR

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RE: [Alug] Next meet?
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 10 Dec '01

10 Dec '01

Simon P wrote: >I can get one together in Cheveley again ..... Cheveley is always excellent for me, I'm only ten minutes from there. It was a fine room, too, and the Cambridge bods can join us again. Jenny.

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Linux & the job market
by Ricardo Campos 10 Dec '01

10 Dec '01

I just had an interview with a recruitment agency up North, and we went over my technical skills. One thing that I found interesting was that although I have 2 years M$ experience, they talked almost exclusively about my involvement with Linux (which I casually mention on my CV in 'personal interests'). Unfortunately, with the economy taking such a nosedive, there were no jobs to offer me, but still, it's an encouraging thought. Seems there are a lot of ISP's in that area, and they want people with Linux/Unix/Solaris experience/knowledge. So, if you are a newbie like me, there's yet another reason to keep plugging away at this wonderful OS... Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Next meet?
by Syd Hancock 09 Dec '01

09 Dec '01

I assume that ther will not be a December meeting but maybe we should start thinking of when/where in January. Any offers or suggestions? Syd

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Debian Cover CD/Programming Tool
by tom potts 07 Dec '01

07 Dec '01

Seomeone recently mentiond problems with a Debian Magazine Cover CD. Does anybody know of a recent one that I might be able to track down? Another one for some oldies out there - has anyone seen a programming tool for console that works a bit like M$ old C4 (Editor/compiler/linker/make/debugger) all in text? Thanks Tom ________________________________________________________________ Nokia 5510 looks weird sounds great. Go to http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/nokia/ discover and win it! The competition ends 16 th of December 2001.

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AMANDA, SAMBA and win 32
by Ricardo Campos 07 Dec '01

07 Dec '01

Has anyone on-list actually used AMANDA to back up Win NT clients over a LAN? Thing is, we currently use Veritas Backup Exec, and it's dead expensive, and not backwards compatible. It needs to back up _open_ SQL databases, Lotus Notes databases, hidden shares, the lot. It *appears* that it can backup open files, but I'm not wholly convinced!Anyone with experience? This is mission-critical stuff! Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Looking for software
by Paul 07 Dec '01

07 Dec '01

Hi Folks I'm looking for a tool that I can draw a number of boxes on a canvas, enter text in the boxes and then draw a rat's nest of connecting lines between them. Easy enough so far, but I also want to be able to drag these boxes complete with text around on the screen and have any interconnecting lines "rubber band". i.e. I don't want to have to redraw the connections each time a box is moved. Does anyone know of such a program that will run under KDE or even Gnome ?? Regards, Paul.

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Linux advocacy in The Register.
by Laurie Brown 07 Dec '01

07 Dec '01

I don't know how many in here read The Register, but IMO, it's compulsory reading for any professional (or serious) IT people. Anyway, this is a good article on Linux advocacy, and one I found brought me up a bit short in one respect (Too clever? Moi?). It's worth noting that although the author talks of StarOffice 5.2, the new V6 is much, much better... http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/23245.html Cheers, Laurie. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Laurie Brown laurie(a)brownowl.com PGP key at http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371 ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [Alug] Security
by MJ Ray 06 Dec '01

06 Dec '01

Adrian: > So the bottom line is that OpenSSH has vulnerabilities too. Oh, I'm quite sure it does, but most of them are limited impact and they are generally different to the ones afflicting the non-free ssh server. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Security
by MJ Ray 06 Dec '01

06 Dec '01

Earl: > SSH - Anything pre 2.0 is vulnerable to a crc32 exploit yielding root > priveliges - upgrade now (30% of SSH Servers are still vulnerable to this > over 1 year since it was first made public). Can you tell me whether openssh versions are also vulnerable? I think http://www.linuxsecurity.com/ is another useful site. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Looking for software
by MJ Ray 06 Dec '01

06 Dec '01

Andrew wrote: > I believe Dia may be close to what you are looking for, try > http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/ I second that. Dia is really quite a nice program for that sort of thing. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] fetchmail
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

Doing it the manual way like this brings up the same errors I was getting last night using the fetchmail I'd just created. My account is trx850.uklinux.net USER trx850 +OK trx850 selected PASS Blahpootle -ERR cucipop: Invalid password or username (check case) I don't need to be old Sherlock to see the password is wrong. It's the one uklinux gave me when I asked them last week (after forgetting it, ha!); maybe they told me wrong, I'll get back to them. LATER This is what UK Linux Support said >I've taken a look through our logs and cannot find any dialin failiurs last dialin was about 10:20 on the 4th. >We've had some "glitches" recently, so I've manually update the your password on the servers. So it can't be the password after all. Well then, I'm stumped. Mark: fetchmail -vvv shows the usual cucipop: Invalid password or username - authorization failure message before quitting. If password isn't wrong, maybe username is some other variation on the possible theme.. Tell you what - this is a jen-being-thick-over-email problem not really a linux one, so I'll shut up now. Thanks for the hints. I'll get there! Jen

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fetchmail
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

Hi All, Look out, I'm in Full Posting Mode today! :-) Thanks to fetchmailconf and Adam's sample .fetchmailrc I have finally got a vague grasp of fetchmail. I got it to go and get mail from my freeserve account nae bother, but am having more difficulty with the new uklinux account. Does anyone have an account with uklinux and also have a fetchmailrc file they could send me a sample of the lines to put in for them? I've tried many flavours of insert but when it gets as far as the server I am turned down on username or password not valid. I'm being dense somewhere. Thanks, jen.

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Security
by Alexis 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

Does anyone know of any attacks which can be made against a machine which only has ports for HTTP and SSH open? Assuming I don't have any silly CGI going on. I'm only considering attacks which give the attacker a foothold. Fx. flooding doesn't count. Thanks, Alexis

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Missing Network Card Library?
by Ian Douglas 05 Dec '01

05 Dec '01

After sitting confused and bewildered as my free Debian cover disk CD asked an apparently never ending series of questions I have finally managed to successfully load it onto a spare disk to try out in my PC. Being very much a Linux newbie and feeling proud and confident after this mammoth achievement I thought I would try installing a network card by hand so I could start to learn a little more about how Linux is configured and works behind the scenes. I eagerly took my PC case apart and excitedly inserted an ancient SMC-Ultra 16 card, then, looking at my notes, saw they said I should login as root, change into the /lib/modules/"kernel version"/net directory, check the file "smc-ultra.o" exists, then issue the command: insmod ./smc-ultra.o before adding "smc-ultra" to /etc/modules, inserting some entries into /etc/network/interfaces and restarting /etc/init.d/networking. However, when I tried the above insmod command I got four error messages: ./smc-ultra.o: unresolved symbol ei_open ./smc-ultra.o: unresolved symbol ethdev_init ./smc-ultra.o: unresolved symbol ei_interrupt ./smc-ultra.o: unresolved symbol NS8390_int My notes, nor my little Debian text book, do not explain these errors, though flicking through other parts of the book I can see hinted after a similar error message that it may be due to "missing libraries". This would not surprise me as it is my first installation of Debian and it is highly likely that I omitted to install something I should have installed. I therefore have a series of questions, as, if I continue to experiment by trying things out by hand (rather than using any easy graphical tools) I think this may be a common problem I will come across. Am I correct in thinking that these errors are due to a "missing library"? If so then how do I determine the name of the library that is missing? Once I know it's name then how do I know where to look for it / discover what package it is included in so I can install it? Finally, if the program I wanted to install was a bit more obscure than a simple network card driver, so it was not supplied on the installation CD, where would be the best place to search on the internet for "libraries"? Sorry if these questions seem a bit stupid to you guys with experience but I guess you were newbies too yourselves many years ago, so please have patience. Ian.

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Re: [Alug] Evolution 1.0 out
by Ricardo Campos 04 Dec '01

04 Dec '01

>"I tried Evolution for three > months and it ate my inbox". Me too, only after 2 days! Hence my previous "mail clients" post, and the insistence that it does mail, and not all the other bells-and-whistles. Although saying that, Mozilla messenger did this as well. Luckily there was nothing too important in there! -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Environmental Variables
by MJ Ray 04 Dec '01

04 Dec '01

Syd: > where are these values 'normally' stored? I use quotes because so many > things seem to be distro-specific. I'm using MDK8.0 but info on any distro > would be interesting. I looked in /etc/profile and /etc/bashrc (I think) > but couldn't see anything related. Yes, /etc/profile (or /etc/login for c-shells) is the normal place. You probably won't see a default setting, as if the variable is unset, it defaults to "C", the default (it stands for common, I think) locale. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Evolution 1.0 out
by MJ Ray 04 Dec '01

04 Dec '01

Andrew: > The Exchange interoperability one is, certainly. Which makes sense, I > guess. It's not available yet (due early 2002) and will be priced at $69 > ($599 for 10 pack, $1499 for 25 pack). Personally, I'm in favour of > this: build a great free client, and then charge a "Microsoft tax" for > those people that insist on hooking up to non-free groupware servers. Can it really cut the mustard, though? It's little use doing this if it's not going to make money. If it's not open and there are bugs in it, are people going to blame the MS server or the small company's connector? While I know where we'd point the finger, I don't think your typical PHB would agree. > [...] Use the money to fund development of a decent free groupware server, > perhaps. Now that would be worth seeing. > I think Evolution *is* a case of doing one thing and doing it well. [...] Reportedly, it's actually a gaggle of little bits with sometimes questionable cohesion and bad control over its components. Is having PIM and email in one location desirable? I find it quite helpful keeping them apart, although having better connectivity to the PIM would be very useful. > [...] As a matter of fact, I'm back to using the mail client I started off > with in 1992, which is still the best IMHO :-) Surely that's just the old cliche that "normal is whatever I'm used to". I don't think PINE is really where it's at any more. It shows it age in some ways and is still non-free, isn't it? -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Evolution 1.0 out
by MJ Ray 04 Dec '01

04 Dec '01

James: > Evolution 1.0 is out. Debs expected in unstable... Well, sometime soon. Is it true that some of the connectors are non-free? In any case, I think I prefer tools that "do one thing and do it well". I need to find a better one for email, or make this one better. But that's for my CFT, whenever it reappears. -- MJR

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Evolution 1.0 out
by James Green 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

For those interested but not keeping tabs on online life ;) Evolution 1.0 is out. Debs expected in unstable... Well, sometime soon. I'm personally running 0.99.0 right now with no problems. Although it is with a local imap server :). Regards to all, James Green

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Re: [Alug] locale settings question
by MJ Ray 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

Syd: > I sometimes get this error message (MDK8.0, su'd to root in a > terminal window): Can you define "sometimes", please? > Is it serious and what do I do about it? Incidentally I am not > trying to run perl - for example, the above is part of the output > in response to the supermount command. Maybe supermount runs perl? To me, the problem looks like you may not have the en_GB locale set up and configured. There's some info on this in the perllocale(1p) man page. How you correct it on Mandrake, I'm not sure. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Beep! How do I stop this?
by Ricardo Campos 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

> I'm running Mandrake 8.0 at the moment so just for the sheer hell of it > typed man man > and what do you know? Seems mine's the stinker, I reinstalled since I last tried it. I just thought a lack of a man man was some hilarious UNIX joke. ha ha. Well, I always thought my pc was an envoy of Satan, sent down (up?) to this world to cause me great confuZion. Hence it's hostname (which, quite frankly, is not repeatable), which originated from the stream of expletives I've hurled at it since I installed Linux! >:) Oh well... -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Beep! How do I stop this?
by Ricardo Campos 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

> q I believe, I enerally mash the keyboard until the man page disapears ;) Me too, but q doesn't work. :( Still, not a problem in an Xterm. > yes it does, type man man... First thing I tried! (It doesn't appear to have one on my system). Mandrake 8.0, you gotta love it's inconsistencies. ;) -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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X 4.1.0 for Debian,
by Ricardo Campos 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

Posted to the list, incase anyone wants X4.1.0 on Debian (or searches the archives for it later on) >I have the som 'unofficial' .deb packages to install X4.0.1 on Deb Potato (hopefully Debian 2.2r3 is Potato). > >> Add in your /etc/apt/sources.list: >> >> # - X4 from cpbotha >> deb http://people.debian.org/~cpbotha/ xf410_potato/i386/ >> deb http://people.debian.org/~cpbotha/ xf410_potato/all/ >> Unfortunately, we skipped configuring wvdial when installing Debian. Oh, yup. I won't be doing this tonight, as I'm off to a gig. I'm sure the next barrage of Debian questions will come as soon as I have time AND get bored of Tux Racer AND Rune. ;) Heh heh... Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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ALUG-IRC 8pm tonight
by MJ Ray 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

The regular weekly ALUG-IRC will take place in #alug on uk.openprojects.net / eu.openprojects.net tonight at 8pm. If you need help getting on IRC, take a look at http://www.alug.org.uk/articles/2001a/alugfaq.html or email me. Of course, we'd welcome other LUGs in the region to come along and join in, if you want. -- MJR Anglian LUG http://www.alug.org.uk/ No ePatents http://petition.eurolinux.org/ FSF Europe http://www.fsfeurope.org/

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Re: [Alug] Beep! How do I stop this?
by Ricardo Campos 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

> try 'man xset', I think there is an option in there... Incidentally, how do you exit a man page? I normally put it thru more instead: man xxx | more Of course, man has no man page! :D -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Beep! How do I stop this?
by Ricardo Campos 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

Currently I'm using Black Box or WindowMaker as window managers. (mainly windowmaker). HOWEVER, they both make an annoying beep (via the motherboard- a system beep like when you boot up, rather than thru the soundcard) every hour on the hour. Very annoying when you're playing a DVD! I can't seem to find a setting in either manager to stop this, nor can I find any reference in their respective docs. It doesn't do it in Gnome or <shudder> KDE. Haven't tried Xfce (yet). Anyone come across this? -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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ODBC driver
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

Hello, all: Can anyone recommend an ODBC driver i can use on the debian box: I want to go off and access data from an ms access database held on an NT server, bring it back, and display it on a web page. I can find "libiodbc", but this seems to be a driver manager rather than a driver. Thanks, Jenny.

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locale settings question
by Syd Hancock 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

Hi all I sometimes get this error message (MDK8.0, su'd to root in a terminal window): --quote-- perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = "en_GB:en", LC_ALL = (unset), LC_MESSAGES = "en_GB", LC_TIME = "en_GB", LC_NUMERIC = "en_GB", LC_CTYPE = "en_GB", LC_MONETARY = "en_GB", LC_COLLATE = "en_GB", LANG = "en" are supported and installed on your system. perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). --end quote-- Is it serious and what do I do about it? Incidentally I am not trying to run perl - for example, the above is part of the output in response to the supermount command. Sorry if this is a simple question but as a newbie I really have no idea where to begin. I did look at man locale and man perl but did not find anything that seemed relevant to this problem. Many TIAs Syd

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Re: [Alug] 500Bytes - 40 Gig
by Ricardo Campos 03 Dec '01

03 Dec '01

> I've just had another complaint which indicates you may have killed all our > OE-using members... OK, we can probably agree on how crap that email client > is, but killing them before we convert them isn't helpful at all. :-( I have to say I reserved myself to bite on this little morsel til today. I'm glad I didn't subscribe to this list using my work mail. All e-mail including compressed (tgz, zip, etc) attachments are scanned for viruses here, both at the mailserver, and on workstations. This particular attachment is basically malicious code as the two virus-scanners I am aware of uncompress zip files to scan them. It would have crashed our mail server, and, had it actually come through, it would have crashed my desktop machine. Had that happened, I would NOT be a happy bunny. (Understatement of the year) > (Did any OE users get that message OK... and why are you using OE?!?) Just to annoy you! ;-P Actually I don't use OE anymore, but that's not the point. Seriously, though, some of us work in multi-OS environments, including Mac and M$, and so have to use virus scanners. I suspect that it could've nailed a linux box too, seeing as Linux is perfect for a multi-OS environment, as a mail/file server, etc. I've noticed a few people using work e-mails, so let's see how good *their* scanners are... If you want to send this kind of code do it directly to the person who asked for it, please. Anyone fancy posting the NIMDA sourcecode??? >;-) ha ha. Ricardito -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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e2fsck lost+found error
by Ian Douglas 02 Dec '01

02 Dec '01

Hi folks, If I run "e2fsck /dev/sda5" I get the following error: /dev/sda5 contains a filesystem with errors, check forced: Pass 1: Checking inodes, blocks and sizes Pass 2: Checking directory structure Missing '..' in directory inode 195 Fix <y>? yes Missing '..' in directory inode 196 Fix <y>? yes Pass 3: Checking directory connectivity Unmounted directory inode 195 (/???) Connect to /lost+found <y>? yes /lost+found not found. Create <y>? yes Error creating /lost+found directory (ext2fs_link): No free space in the directory I am confused. If I mount /dev/sda5 on /mnt and have a look around it, it all looks ok and if I do a df it tells me there is still plenty of free space on the partition (as I expected): Filesystem: /dev/sda5 1k-blocks: 3958767 Used: 1653871 Available: 2100069 Use%: 44% Anyone know how I can correct this "lost+found" error? Ian.

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mail clients
by Ricardo Campos 02 Dec '01

02 Dec '01

Sidestepping the current debate.... ;) Has anyone got any suggestions for a mail client that suits these criteria: 1. Can handle HTML, but needs to send in either html or text (actually only needs to send in text). 2. Can handle MIME attachments. 3. GUI based, but not desktop environment specific (i.e. not Kmail or Evolution). I use WindowMaker as a window manager, and both those products crash at unexpected times outside their cde. 4. Not Mozilla Messenger or Nestscrape Msgr.(These seem a little shaky to me too- although I'm still on Netscrape 4.77) It *doesn't* need to handle news, or have a calender, or an organiser, or wash my dishes. :) Just a mail client. E-mail me off-list if you wish. Ricardo --------------------- "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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500Bytes - 40 Gig
by Ducttape 02 Dec '01

02 Dec '01

Someone on list had a zip file which was a few hundred bytes but which uncompressed to several gigs, does anyone have it? Thanks D

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Boot scripts
by Paul 02 Dec '01

02 Dec '01

Hi folks I have a linux box running RH6.x that I want to have booting directly in to X-windows without having to log in first. The various network services still need to be started so that I can telnet in - Question is, in what order are the start up scripts run, and which one(s) do I need to hack to skip the login ? Or better still, where can I find documents on the boot sequence ? Regards, Paul.

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Touchscreens for the microwave.
by Paul 01 Dec '01

01 Dec '01

Hi Folks I finally sorted the touchscreen out that I had at the meeting yesterday. A case of not reading my XF86Config notes properly. Had missed the "AlwaysCore" option from the XInput section ! At least the driver I had to write works fine against a fresh install of linux and XFree86-3.3.5. Regards, Paul.

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Re: New Toys questions
by John Seago 01 Dec '01

01 Dec '01

Can I thank all those who responded to my requests for help, both those who responded via the list and those who responded privately. The question on swap space seems to have prompted a discussion which I am watching with interest, but not necessarily understanding completely. On the matter of booting multiple `Linux' distributions it would appear that just continuing with Lilo is enough, which in view of my steep `Linux' learning curve so far, seems far, far too easy........ John

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Wireless networking
by Andrew Savory 29 Nov '01

29 Nov '01

Hi all, As I live just a few streets away from an ADSL-enabled area, I'm pondering going halves with a friend that can get ADSL and then setting up a wireless connection from his house to mine. The trouble is, I know *nothing* about wireless networking ;-) If anyone out there in ALUGland does, could you give me a few hints? I want to know: * what are my options? * what range I can get? * what hardware is required? * likely cost? Looking forward to someone telling me it'll cost 50p and give me gigabytes a second to play with... Andrew. -- All views are my own .... who else would want them?

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Re: [Alug] Re: previous post, Slackware 8 and Debian not `seeing' the CD drive
by Adam Bower 29 Nov '01

29 Nov '01

>From: "Ricardo Campos" <corez23(a)linuxmail.org> >To: abower(a)thebowery.co.uk >CC: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk >Subject: Re: [Alug] Re: previous post, Slackware 8 and Debian not `seeing' > the CD drive >Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:51:55 +0000 > > > Not with 2.4.* kernels the vm needs either at least 2x swap to RAM or no > > swap at all, if not you may/will see performance problems on your >machines. > >Hmm... methinks not. I have 512MB RAM (& kernel 2.4.3), and only 133 MB >swap space (to use during the install), and find no performance problem in >any way. In fact the opposite! There is simply no reason for me to use 1GB >of swapspace! Besides which RAM is *much* faster than swap, easier to >upgrade, and just stupidly cheap. I only spent £40 on 512MB (that's >probably expensive now), & don't expect to upgrade anytime soon....... Hmmm, I think this is the thread on linux kernel mailing list that covers it more in depth http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0101.3/1221.html but don't have time to read all of it... there is a comment somewhere in there though that shows that Linus should shoot himself though. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: previous post, Slackware 8 and Debian not `seeing' the CD drive
by John Seago 29 Nov '01

29 Nov '01

Thanks to all who offered suggestions aimed at solving this problem, some time after I posted my query, I found an unlikely answer on one of the newsgroups which was to replace the IDE cables with new ones, (and they had to be new as opposed to different), this worked, (and being both cheap and easy, was most satisfactory), and Chris and I have managed to install both Slackware and Debian now. It has to be said that in my case they are going in at an alarming rate until such time as I get it right! When Chris opened up my case and replaced the cables he found that my rather elderly computer was in fact suffering from old age and neeeded replacing. I am having a `bare bones' computer built to take my new drives, and this raises a question, up to now I have followed advice I read somewhere that the swap space be twice the memory, (RAM?), having 64 whatever-they-ares of memory I have a 128 swap space, having ordered 128 memory, do I need a 256 swap space? All suggestions gratefully recieved, although I may be too old/full of pain killers to understand any explanation. John

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New toys question 2
by John Seago 29 Nov '01

29 Nov '01

Having decided that I can probably do without `windows' it just occurred to me that more important than the swap space is how to get it to boot, (other than using boot floppies), particularly as I wish to boot several partitions. Up to now I have cheated and used a Mandrake 8 or 8.1 installation disk to make the partitions, and reset after it has written them to the partition table. I believe that I will need a partition at the front of the primary master hard disk to boot from, and I can, (as yet), find no information in any of the library of books I seem to have acquired over the past few months. this time I think I may to have to have it explained to me, or understand it, before I start making big mistakes. Can someone point me at a source of information that I can take in at my own pace? John Seago

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Re: [Alug] Re: previous post, Slackware 8 and Debian not `seeing' the CD drive
by Ricardo Campos 29 Nov '01

29 Nov '01

>http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0101.3/1221.html > but don't have time to read all of it... there is a comment somewhere in > there though that shows that Linus should shoot himself though. I read it up until the point that my browser "couldn't find the server". Couldn't really see the comment. BUT I prefer to use the addage: To increase a servers speed- add more RAM, to increase it further add EVEN MORE RAM. Same for desktop, ESPECIALLY since desktops tend to use IDE rather than SCSI(which is still not as fast as RAM). 128 MB (or 256 to be sure) should be fine, unless you use intensive apps such as 3D rendering and GIMP on big piccies. With the advent of large (32MB+) graphics cards, even 3D games don't really dent your RAM that much. I'm not sure if the kernel actually needs a swap partition to be present, but in general losing 128 MB on a HD isn't exactly a great loss (especially as I couldn't find a first-hand IDE drive with less than 20GB), and £50 for 512MB isn't either (of course, that's just excessive, I was just trying to future-proof as much as poss). My bets are: loadsa RAM, small swap. I think the 2xRAM thing was also partly due to RAM being expensive once-upon-a-time. Ricardito "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Swap space
by John Seago 29 Nov '01

29 Nov '01

I would like to thank every body who has sent me advice on this matter, I have decided to go with x2 > x4 swap space, (space being of no consequence as I have a total disk space of more than 50 gig). As predicted, this seems to have sparked a technical discussion which I don't understand, I'm glad I didn't ask to have it explained to me! Once again thank you everyone for your advice. John seago

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Re: [Alug] Re: previous post, Slackware 8 and Debian not `seeing' the CD drive
by Ricardo Campos 29 Nov '01

29 Nov '01

> Not with 2.4.* kernels the vm needs either at least 2x swap to RAM or no > swap at all, if not you may/will see performance problems on your machines. Hmm... methinks not. I have 512MB RAM (& kernel 2.4.3), and only 133 MB swap space (to use during the install), and find no performance problem in any way. In fact the opposite! There is simply no reason for me to use 1GB of swapspace! Besides which RAM is *much* faster than swap, easier to upgrade, and just stupidly cheap. I only spent £40 on 512MB (that's probably expensive now), & don't expect to upgrade anytime soon....... I have noticed one thing, though: about 2 mins after my box boots up and I'm into my WM (WindowMaker at the mo'), it pages (oops I mean writes-to-disk/swap?) like crazy for about 5 seconds, then NEVER does it again (until I reboot for whatever reason). This is different to Windoze 2K server on the same machine, for example, which pages like crazy just for the hell of it, inefficient little beasty that it is! Ricardo "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Re: previous post, Slackware 8 and Debian not `seeing' the CD drive
by MJ Ray 29 Nov '01

29 Nov '01

Adam: > Not with 2.4.* kernels the vm needs either at least 2x swap to RAM or no > swap at all, if not you may/will see performance problems on your machines. I thought the new VM didn't suffer from that? -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Filtering spam in Linux
by MJ Ray 29 Nov '01

29 Nov '01

> My main email address has been activate for about 3 years and thus gets a > lot of spam. Are there known methods inside Fetchmail or procmail to filter > out 'spam' into a separate folder for later viewing? I filter everything that mentions me in the address lines, or looks like a mailing list, into their own folders. Everything else goes in "uncaught" and I read that folder a *lot* less often. I'm using slocal/.maildelivery, so the basic idea is: # .maildelivery file for nmh's slocal # Blank lines and lines beginning with a '#' are ignored # FIELD PATTERN ACTION RESULT STRING # Trap fscking badtrans From <_ pipe R "/home/markj/usr/bin/badtranswarn" # Filter some mailing lists To ezine@author folder ? lists-moderated # All our lug-related lists into one folder List-Id lug folder ? lists-lug Sender ebi.ac.uk folder ? lists-lug # LUG box still uses pre-list-id majordomo Sender lug.org.uk folder ? lists-lug # Try to catch all other lists in the bucket List-Post . folder ? lists Delivered-To "mailing list" folder ? lists List-Id . folder ? lists X-Mailing-List . folder ? lists Sender owner- folder ? lists # Things really addressed to me To markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk folder ? inbox Cc markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk folder ? inbox # Put anything not matched yet into uncaught default - folder ? uncaught > If not, do people on the list use services to eliminate the spam? There has > to be a better way than 'download and delete'. Download and feed to spamcop.net? -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Re: previous post, Slackware 8 and Debian not `seeing' the CD drive
by Adam Bower 29 Nov '01

29 Nov '01

>I think the "twice times physical memory" (yes, RAM :) rule is very >general. Not with 2.4.* kernels the vm needs either at least 2x swap to RAM or no swap at all, if not you may/will see performance problems on your machines. Adam _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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SNMP Load averages...
by Simon Parkes 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

Hi, I'm hoping someone can help lift the mist from my eyes... doing an snmpwalk of my PC on .1.3.6.1.4.1.2010.10.1.3 gives me 3 results (as expected), these are the load averages of 1, 5 and 15 mins.. Can someone tell me what might be a high value ? My 1 min load average is 3.66 most of the time.... 3.66 out of what? 100, is this a percentage? Any ideas anyone... Simon

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Re: [Alug] How to find people with Linux skills
by MJ Ray 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

Chris Allen: > On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 11:14:46AM +0000, MJ Ray wrote: > > (even if I think that I broadly agree with the spirit (but not the > > letter) of IR35) > Really? Why is that? I think the whole taxation system needs a good tidy up. However, IR35 alone is merely adding ot the complexity, not simplifying it as it ought to. Replies set to go to social, as this has nothing to do with Linux. -- MJR

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Fdisk Errors
by Ducttape 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

When I run Fdisk I get the following error message Command (m for help): p Disk /dev/hda1: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 612 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1p1 ? 120513 235786 925929529+ 68 Unknown Partition 1 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?): phys=(116, 100, 32) logical=(120512, 47, 32) Partition 1 has different physical/logical endings: phys=(288, 101, 46) logical=(235785, 20, 46) Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary: phys=(288, 101, 46) should be (288, 254, 63) Partition 2 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?): phys=(357, 32, 43) logical=(82800, 34, 51) Partition 2 has different physical/logical endings: phys=(0, 13, 10) logical=(116349, 218, 61) Partition 2 does not end on cylinder boundary: phys=(0, 13, 10) should be (0, 254, 63) /dev/hda1p3 ? 33551 120595 699181456 53 OnTrack DM6 Aux3 Partition 3 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?): phys=(345, 32, 19) logical=(33550, 137, 11) Partition 3 has different physical/logical endings: phys=(324, 77, 19) logical=(120594, 153, 54) Partition 3 does not end on cylinder boundary: phys=(324, 77, 19) should be (324, 254, 63) /dev/hda1p4 ? 86812 86813 10668+ 49 Unknown Partition 4 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?): phys=(87, 1, 0) logical=(86811, 142, 3) Partition 4 has different physical/logical endings: phys=(335, 78, 2) logical=(86812, 225, 45) Partition 4 does not end on cylinder boundary: phys=(335, 78, 2) should be (335, 254, 63) Partition table entries are not in disk order Any suggestions on how I could fix this, preserving the data on the partitions? Thanks D

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Hot copying large mySQL databases
by Martyn Drake 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

Hi folks, Does anybody have any hints or tips for dumping or performing live backups of large mySQL databases? I've heard about mysqlhotcopy, but I think that's being a bit too simplistic for my needs.. Thanks, Martyn

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Fdisk Errors
by Ducttape 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

When I run Fdisk I get the following error message Command (m for help): p Disk /dev/hda1: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 612 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1p1 ? 120513 235786 925929529+ 68 Unknown Partition 1 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?): phys=(116, 100, 32) logical=(120512, 47, 32) Partition 1 has different physical/logical endings: phys=(288, 101, 46) logical=(235785, 20, 46) Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary: phys=(288, 101, 46) should be (288, 254, 63) Partition 2 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?): phys=(357, 32, 43) logical=(82800, 34, 51) Partition 2 has different physical/logical endings: phys=(0, 13, 10) logical=(116349, 218, 61) Partition 2 does not end on cylinder boundary: phys=(0, 13, 10) should be (0, 254, 63) /dev/hda1p3 ? 33551 120595 699181456 53 OnTrack DM6 Aux3 Partition 3 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?): phys=(345, 32, 19) logical=(33550, 137, 11) Partition 3 has different physical/logical endings: phys=(324, 77, 19) logical=(120594, 153, 54) Partition 3 does not end on cylinder boundary: phys=(324, 77, 19) should be (324, 254, 63) /dev/hda1p4 ? 86812 86813 10668+ 49 Unknown Partition 4 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?): phys=(87, 1, 0) logical=(86811, 142, 3) Partition 4 has different physical/logical endings: phys=(335, 78, 2) logical=(86812, 225, 45) Partition 4 does not end on cylinder boundary: phys=(335, 78, 2) should be (335, 254, 63) Partition table entries are not in disk order Any suggestions on how I could fix this, preserving the data on the partitions? Thanks D

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Re: [Alug] new netowrk card
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

Ricardo wrote> So you're using the NETBIOS name, then. Hi all, just to let you know the box is now showing on the network again. smb.conf didn't have a netbios name entry. What i don't understand is how changing a network card could make a difference to that - surely it shouldn't have showed up *before* with that entry missing. Thanks for all the replies on it, Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] How to find people with Linux skills
by MJ Ray 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

Laurie wrote: > You may (perhaps fairly) think it's a bit harsh, but this is at least > the third time he's done this, and I've asked him to stop twice (which > he both failed to acknowledge, and ignored). Especially given its > precedents, it *is* spam, however relevant it may be to any particular > reader. Laurie, this email was more of a grey area than previous messages, not being a "we've got this job" but a "where should we advertise". Of course, you could still count it as sneaky advertising, as most of the email is occupied by their contact details in a non-signature footer, but it can't really be classed as "spam"/UCE. However, what we saw was you stomping in there with the big boots on and threatening them on-list for what appeared an innocent message. No explanation of why you classed it as spam was given. Please, everyone, if you suspect something of being spam, please contact the three of us at main-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk and *we'll* get the big boots on. If you dislike our decision, *then* you can post to the list bitching about our decision and we'll back down if your opinion is the majority one. I'm inclined to accept job adverts etc into announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk, mainly through the absence of any other material. Would people agree to that, as long as tough guidelines (eg no sigs, under a certain length, once per issue max) were set? > Further, Best International are members of ATSCO, and as any > member of the PCG knows, not only supporters of IR35, but as members > of ATSCO, they are acting in the worst interests of contractors (qv. > statements from the ATSCO chairman passim). A cruise through the > private fora in the PCG will show that Best are in fact misnamed... > Consequently, I am unable to find any room for compromise. Now this *is* interesting. I also dislike ATSCO because of their handling of this (even if I think that I broadly agree with the spirit (but not the letter) of IR35) and I think the only honourable thing for any member to do is to either resign or go on record with an open letter objecting to their handling of the affair. -- MJR Anglian LUG http://www.alug.org.uk/ No ePatents http://petition.eurolinux.org/ FSF Europe http://www.fsfeurope.org/

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