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Re: [Alug]Virgin.net ADSL
by Craig 17 Apr '03

17 Apr '03

On Thu, Apr 17, 2003 at 04:14:27PM +0100, john(a)paston.co.uk wrote: > > Only 40ukp a month... so it is worth considering.... > > Worth noting, however, that not everyone who can get ADSL can get this > service, due to the line lenth issues... Apparently, if you cannot get ADSL due to some strange line length issue. Ask AA, they somehow managed to solve the problem. -- (o_ - Craig Butcher //\ - IT Technician / Unix Support MTH/ENV @ UEA V_/_ - http://www.wizball.co.uk

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RAM Disks
by Keith Watson 17 Apr '03

17 Apr '03

Installed the latest Nvidia drivers last night, very slick, but, as someone said, no better than a Debian or RPM package with a couple of extra bells and whistles. I think the main thing is the implicit recognition that GNU/Linux is an important enough user base for them to provide this. OK, the real point of this is that after the install I was reviewing the start-up log and noticed a message saying I had 16 x 4Mb RAM disks. Presumably this was a default kernel option as I haven't knowingly created these. Question is, is this just a capability or is there an actual 64M RAM overhead associated with this? Do I need any RAM disks? Keith ____________ TWICE, adv. Once too often. Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary

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[Alug]Elmswell meeting on the 27th of this month
by Adam Bower 17 Apr '03

17 Apr '03

Hi all, Just a confirmation that this meeting *is* going to happen. I will update the webpage when I get a chance. The venue is near Bury St Edmunds in Suffolk IIRC. The other meetings at Syleham (also Suffolk) are also still arranged for the same dates as before (Sun May 18th, Sun Aug 17th and Sun 23rd Nov.) Norwich dates are still to be confirmed, I will let everyone know more later. Adam -- jabberid = quinophex(a)jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem

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RE: [Alug] Newsforge: NVIDIA's Latest Drivers and the Quadro FX
by Adam Bower 17 Apr '03

17 Apr '03

> -----Original Message----- > From: MJ Ray [mailto:markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk] > I think they meant 0wn. Auto-updating binary-only drivers. > Do they have > good security in place, or is the "mass nvidia driver users' > blowout" only > a download site exploit away, I wonder. Ummm, from what I read the utility they provide "auto-updates" by you having to run it, no different from using apt-get really. > I'll stick with the XFree86's own nv drivers on the box here that has > their chips until I replace that hardware. You do realise that Nvidia wrote that support (definetly parts of it, they do have there own "special" license mentioned in the XFree86 distribution) in XFree86? and out of interest which of the GFX manufacturers warez would you seek to procure in their place? AFAICT there are no GFX card manufacturers out there who provide full real free software support for their products :( Adam

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[Alug]Virgin.net ADSL
by Alexis Lee 17 Apr '03

17 Apr '03

Hi, Been looking thru adslguide.org for an ADSL ISP. Virgin.net look good.. any testimonials, good or bad? Cheers, Alexis -- Failure- When your best just isn't good enough. "The human brain is a wonderful thing. It starts working the moment you are born, and never stops until you stand up to speak in public" - Sir G Jessel

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RE: [Alug]Equivalent of DOS 'dir /s /b'?
by Jonathan Dye 17 Apr '03

17 Apr '03

Keith Watson wrote: >> From: MJ Ray >> Keith Watson <kpwatson(a)ukfsn.org> wrote: >>> In DOS the command 'dir /s /b' gives a useful listing of just >>> filenames prefixed with directory paths. >> >> Can you give an example? I only remember using /p and /w to dir. >> > > No problem; > > D:\>dir /b /s \Test1 > > D:\Test1\Cat > D:\Test1\Cow > D:\Test1\Dog > D:\Test1\Pig > D:\Test1\foo.bar > D:\Test1\foo1.bar > D:\Test1\foo2.bar > D:\Test1\foo3.bar > D:\Test1\foo4.bar > D:\Test1\foo5.bar > D:\Test1\Cat\Diamond > D:\Test1\Cat\Emerald > D:\Test1\Cat\Pearl > D:\Test1\Cat\Ruby [...] How about: find /Test1 JD _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service

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[Alug]Equivalent of DOS 'dir /s /b'?
by Keith Watson 17 Apr '03

17 Apr '03

In DOS the command 'dir /s /b' gives a useful listing of just filenames prefixed with directory paths. Can anyone think of a way to get the same listing within a bash shell? Keith

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NTL Broadband
by BenEBoy 16 Apr '03

16 Apr '03

OK, apparantly I can get broadband in Norwich with NTL now, has anyone had any experience with them? I'm thinking more of the technical side of things. I've been informed that NTL uses some gizmo on the phone line so you just plug it straight into a NIC and not a modem, so I'm *guessing* that there wouldn't be any problem. Of course, that's just a wild assumption ;-) Cheers, BenE -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- www.norwich-anarchists.org.uk Officially the best norwich based anarchist web site that has overly large jpegs

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[Alug]Routers
by Alexis Lee 16 Apr '03

16 Apr '03

Vaguely re: the web hosting discussion... the subject of all-in routers came up. I'm thinking about getting a Buffalo Tech. ADSL/wireless/VPN router thing. Most people seem to think very highly of the Draytek ones, but this one comes in at about 100UKP which is a distinct advantage in my mind. Anyone used one of these, or have opinions for some other reason? They use the 802.11g (not)standard, which hasn't been finalised. However, apparently they have back compatibility with 802.11b and Buffalo T guarantee to fix them up to comply when g is standardised. I don't really care about b or g though, as long as they don't break down all the time. Cheers, Alexis -- "We can't spell FAILURE without U R A!" - despair.com "The purpose of words is to convey ideas. When the ideas are grasped, the words are forgotten. Where is the man who has forgotten words?" - Chuang-Tzu

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RE: [Alug] Web hosting
by Adam Bower 16 Apr '03

16 Apr '03

> -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Trott [mailto:gt@pobox.com] > And yes, it is easy to do. Just plug in and go. Make sure you get an > appropriate modem/router, though; avoid the USB models like > the plague. Zen What do you have against the USB modems? I was quite happy with my Alcatel frog running under Linux, I got some very nice uptimes with it and the only reason they weren't longer was due to the electricity having a key meter... I actually prefer the modem terminating on a linux pc rather than through a router as you can see network traffic directly on the DSL interface rather than being abstracted by ethernet. Adam

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RE: [Alug] Web hosting
by Adam Bower 16 Apr '03

16 Apr '03

> From: Laurie Brown [mailto:laurie@brownowl.com] > The main problem I have with the built-in stuff like all these > firewall/router/NAT/dhcp/DNS/etc things is vulnerabilities. > They rarely come > up in bugtraq, and I'm sure it's not because they are so > secure. I think it's > a reflection of the userbase not being technical or trying to > break them. > With a standard Linux box running iptables/snort I know where > I am, and what > I need to do. Just a preference... This is the main reason why I avoided getting a router and went directly for the USB option (I liked the blinky lights on the external and there was no pci ADSL modem available at the time for linux) I really do not trust these embedded devices to be secure and they seemed rather expensive when they would do less than what I could do with my usb modem. Adam

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RE: [Alug] Web hosting
by Adam Bower 16 Apr '03

16 Apr '03

> From: Graham Trott [mailto:gt@pobox.com] > Well answered. To which I'd add that low-cost modems don't > offer a lot of > flexibility. They may be fine for dynamic IP but with static > you usually > want more control than they offer. Hmmm, I think the complete opposite of this an adsl router will give you less flexibilty than an adaptor (either usb pci etc.) directly into a linux box. With a linux box acting as a router you can do *anything* you wish with the static ip that you are given such as run any kind of VPN you like and enjoy the far more advanced Linux firewall options. If you have to have connections natted through the router then you lose lots of the flexibility you get from having static ip addresses. Adam

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[Alug]newbie desktop distros
by Syd Hancock 16 Apr '03

16 Apr '03

Has anyone used xandros, lindows or any similar distro? Very interested in any comments/experiences. I do realise all the disadvantages etc for the more knowledgable user - so pardon the heresy :-) Syd

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RE: [Alug] Web hosting
by Adam Bower 16 Apr '03

16 Apr '03

> although a broadband connection and a linux box may be an > option. Is this > latter option easy to do and which broadband suppliers allow static ip > addresses?? I used to do this with Eclipse internet ( http://www.eclipse.net.uk ) they don't do any port blocking and have no restrictions on servers etc. they even setup reverse DNS for me for free. Adam

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Web hosting
by Simon Jude 16 Apr '03

16 Apr '03

Hi, Can anybody suggest a cheap and reliable web hosting company? Nothing particularly special is needed, just somewhere to host a site for some friends and myself. Simon

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Bulk MP3 Conversion
by Keith Watson 16 Apr '03

16 Apr '03

I have a directory containing a bunch of MP3 files and I want to convert them to CDR prior to burning a CD. eg. foo.mp3 -> foo.cdr bar.mp3 -> bar.cdr dog.mp3 -> dog.cdr cat.mp3 -> cat.cdr etc..... Currently I'm looking at a script that uses MPG321 and a 'for' loop. 2 questions; 1) is there a better way? 2) can I parse the filename (in the script) to separate the extension (.MP3) from it so I can then append .CDR to it? Keith ____________ A bend in the road is not the end of the road... unless you fail to make the turn.

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[Alug]Linux Desktops comparative review
by Syd Hancock 16 Apr '03

16 Apr '03

http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT5747451177.html Linux desktops comparative review. Long, detailed, interesting. Could be worth forwarding to friends/colleages thinking of switching. Another comparative review on Open For Business http://www.ofb.biz less detailed and already outdated in some ways but also worth a look. Syd

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Re: Zauruss
by tom potts 15 Apr '03

15 Apr '03

Excuse my ignorance but can you stick on of those 1G microdrives in them? (quite cheap as www.scan.co.uk (£127 ex vat!) at the mo) Tom __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus For a better Internet experience http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer

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RE: [Alug] Zauruss (Zaurui?)
by Adam Bower 15 Apr '03

15 Apr '03

> There are new models that should be over here soon (hence the > discounts) one > that is functionally the same but with a faster chip and one > that is a very > different beast altogether. The new 5600 model is not actually as good as the 5500 (these are things I have read online BTW) , basically they have stuck a new cpu in it (400Mhz instead of 200Mhz) but due to implementation problems it will run at about the same speed as the 5500. Also they have taken the amount of RAM down to 32MB from 64MB but bolted on 64MB of non-volatile flash instead of 16MB of flash in the 5500. This means you will be limited to a maximum of 32MB of RAM where my Z is currently running with 64MB (and 128MB of MMC for its file system) with openzaurus. The main advantages of the newer model is that it has a 1700mAh battery instead of a 950mAh (but the new cpu burns more juice iirc) but this adds a bulge onto the back of the unit, and it has a built in microphone which you don't have with the 5500. > All in all it is a cracking little widget, as a basic PDA I'd > be forced to say > that it is not as good as a decent Palm, but as a Linux > machine in your > pocket it is fantastic. I would say that it makes the palm look like a pile of something brown and smelly :) although I have now had 4 different models of palm break on me in pretty much the same way. I do find the Z is much better as a PDA. One thing is that I did have problems with openzaurus 3.0 (and the sharp rom too) but I now have openzaurus 3.2 installed and it works very nicely, apart from the occasional hot plug problem. > Oh and install Interstellar Flames to impress your inquiring > friends (the 3D > graphics are out of this world on a PDA) I have this, it does tend to impress people when they see it :) although I still have to check out other games yet. Adam

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RE: [Alug] Evening Meetings
by Adam Bower 15 Apr '03

15 Apr '03

> -----Original Message----- > From: Syd Hancock [mailto:syd@toufol.com] > Sent: 15 April 2003 11:29 > To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > Subject: Re: [Alug] Evening Meetings > Mark (and others), any idea of the current status of these? As I said in my earlier email its all (hopefully) being sorted out off list at the moment. I will mail the list and update the website when dates/venues have been confirmed. Adam

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3com modem
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 15 Apr '03

15 Apr '03

As for me, I just sent a Sad and Disappointed email to 3com concerning their lack of linux support for product 3CP012884A. Perhaps they'll offer to refund me :-) Jen

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RE: [Alug] Evening Meetings
by Adam Bower 15 Apr '03

15 Apr '03

> -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Trott [mailto:gt@pobox.com] > Sent: 15 April 2003 08:46 > To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > Subject: Re: [Alug] Evening Meetings > > > I'm new around here so I missed this one. What's the story re the UEA > meeting? Just up the road from here. I am trying to get some meetings organised off list atm, when we have some fixed dates I will post them here and on the Alug website. Then I can see when people who have offered to do talks are available etc. Adam

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RE: [Alug] Re: Zauruss
by Adam Bower 15 Apr '03

15 Apr '03

> Excuse my ignorance but can you stick on of those 1G > microdrives in them? > (quite cheap as www.scan.co.uk (£127 ex vat!) at the > mo) > Tom AFAIK they work, at least I have read as much so you could use it to store vast amounts of .ogg files :) but I have not tried one! Adam

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RE: [Alug] Evening Meetings
by Keith Watson 14 Apr '03

14 Apr '03

How about an informal evening meeting in Norwich on Monday's from about 8pm. Syd Hancock and I have been discussing a suitable venue for this off-list, but are having trouble coming up with one. We thought a quiet pub would be good but if it's in the city centre parking might be a problem. Anyone know of any pub's or coffee bars, cafes etc. in the city centre that might fit the bill? I've often parked in the Forum car park when going out in Norwich in the evening so venues around the Forum might be a possibility. (is the Theatre coffe bar a possibility?) > > 8pm on a monday evening is fine with me too. The coming monday is > easter of course so maybe a week on monday for the first > get-together? If I have my sums right, the monday after that is a > bank holiday. > > > > I don't know either Norwich or its pubs at all well so cannot > > > suggest anywhere. The Wild Man that I was asking about on the > > > social list looks OK, central Norwich, easy to find, no idea > > > how busy it is on a monday evening. Or there is a big pub on > > > the right just up the hill past the guildhall (St Giles?) > > > > My thoughts also. I've only lived in Norfolk for a few years so > > I'm not too well up on the local pubs. There's a pub halfway > > down the Newmarket road that used to be an Internet 'Cafe' sort > > of affair, that might be a possibility. From my experience of > > other cities there are often pubs that seem to get most of their > > trade from working people during the day and are pretty quiet in > > the evenings, so it might be worth looking at a city centre > > venue. Big problem with city centre is parking. > > True and true - when shopping etc I usually use the multi-storey off > St Giles but it is a bit dear. There is the pay-and-display on the > inner ring road by Toys'R'Us, end of St Benedicts street (and there > is the Arts Centre on St Benedicts, nice little bar/cafe in there > too). > > > Probably best to ask on the list as there's a few members who > > live in Norwich and might be a bit more knowledgeable. What we > > need is a 'Norwich Pubs Howto' :o) > > I agree, let's put it to the list (although I like the idea of the > Arts Centre unless there is an event there that evening). > Regards, Keith ____________ Where does a wise man look for pebbles? On a beach. Where does the wise man hide a leaf? In a forest. G.K. Chesterton

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RE: [Alug] kernel upgrade problems
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 14 Apr '03

14 Apr '03

Paul wrote: >a) Upgrade modutils to the latest version, and, >b) Upgrade lilo also. and raph(a)panache.demon.co.uk wrote: >To build 2.4.x udner 2.2 you will have to upgrade lots of things, including >gcc, modutils. binutils, libraries and possibly others. the easy way to do it >is to build a complete new system in a spare partition; don't try to upgrade in >place - you may screw up your working system. Thanks for this advice. My system has only a dialup modem, so the last update I did was from the woody cdrom. I'll also read up on debian kernel packages as advised on IRC last week. Will let you know if I have any success, hoping to have lots of nice home-computer time this weekend :-) Jen

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 14 Apr '03

14 Apr '03

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Adding a udma-100 card?
by Syd Hancock 14 Apr '03

14 Apr '03

I have an udma-100 hard drive but the m/board supports only ata-33 (apologies if these are not the correct technical terms). Is a udma-100 card simply a hardware addition or will it need drivers and, if so, are these likely to be modules or will it require a kernel rebuild? If distro dependant, it is likely to be used with either mandrake 9.1 or knoppix. TIA Syd

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LinuxConf Australia (LCA) 2003 - CD-ROM available
by Steve Fosdick 13 Apr '03

13 Apr '03

I spotted on Debian Planet that a CD-ROM had been released of the papers and presentations at LCA-2003 and it looks pretty interesting. Below is list of the papers/presentations. I have downloaded a copy of the CD and if anyone wants a real CD-ROM copy I'd be happy to do one - please let me know. Otherwise see http://conf.linux.org.au/ Wednesday, 22nd January 2003 ============================ Welcome to Linux.conf.au 2003 PHP Introduction Rasmus Lerdorf PHP Advanced Rasmus Lerdorf Using autoconf, automake and friends. Malcolm Tredinnick The Unreliable Guide to Kernel Hacking Paul "Rusty" Russell Using Sweep: Fun with Scrubby Conrad Parker The Ins and Outs of PostgreSQL Gavin Sherry Thursday, 23rd January 2003 =========================== Reverse Engineering Techniques Andrew Tridgell My computer is bigger than yours! Martin Schwenke Making the right sort of difference: bugs Telsa Gwynne and what to do with them Sweep: Real-world audio editing on Linux Conrad Parker more, More, MORE! - Porting Hints and Horror Bdale Garbee Stories from the Debian Project ARQuake - Outdoor Augmented Reality Gaming Wayne Piekarski $100,000 OUT OF THE WINDOW? YOU Philip Hart CANNOT BE SERIOUS! Teaching Software Engineering using David Glance Open Source Software Dynamic Feedback in LVS Jeremy Kerr Pretend Systems doing real Work Dan Shearer Dynamic Probes - Debugging by Stealth Suparna Bhattacharya What is that CONFIG_HAMRADIO thing anyway? Hugh Blemings A Linux users guide to Ham Radio DHCPv6 for Linux Suresh Kodati Q&A Session Friday, 24th January 2003 ========================= Herding Wild Cats and Related Adventures Bdale Garbee An Inside Look at the Debian Project The Boston Consulting Group/OSDN Hacker Survey Jeff "Hemos" Bates initramfs, klibc and early userspace H. Peter Anvin Towards full NTFS semantics in Samba Andrew Tridgell Useful kernel audits Alan Cox Putting a filesystem into a device driver Greg KH PHP Printing with PDF Rasmus Lerdorf Biometrics and Linux Alexander Reeder Perdition: A Mail Retrieval Proxy Simon "Horms" Horman Zeroconf networking Brad Hards Problems in Open Source Licensing Jeremy Malcolm High Availability using Reliable Server Pooling Thomas Dreibholz Who wants another filesystem Neil Brown Saturday, 25th January 2003 =========================== Hacking the kernel and looking cool whilst Paul "Rusty" Russell driving a fast car distcc Martin Pool I'll Do It Later: Softirqs, Tasklets, Bottom Matthew Wilcox Halves, Task Queues, Work Queues and Timers The Linux Kernel Device Model Patrick Mochel Sequel Syndrome: The GNOME Project Grows Up Jeff Waugh Linux at the Little End of the World Malcolm Tredinnick EggMenu James Henstridge Katie, open-source revision control system Geoffrey D. Bennett Design of the Portable.NET Interpreter Rhys Weatherley Developing network applications under UNIX Adrian Chadd Debian Mini-conf ================ DPL State of the Nation Address Bdale Garbee Debian and Ham Radio Bdale Garbee Debian package cache with apt-cacher Jonathan Oxer "Hopefully enough stuff to fill the allotted Paul "Rusty" Russell time" FAI - unattended Debian installations Niall Young IPv6 in Debian Trent "Lathiat" Lloyd IPv6 Mini-conf ============== Writing IPv6 Network Applications Trent "Lathiat" Lloyd IPv6 Tunnel Broker Anand Kumria IPv6 for Everyone Anand Kumria Enabling a Campus LAN for IPv6 Grahame Bowland --- End ---

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Fw: Re: [Alug] PCI ADSL modems
by Steve Fosdick 13 Apr '03

13 Apr '03

On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 00:44:27 -0000 MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > Steve Fosdick <lists(a)pelvoux.nildram.co.uk> wrote: > > Debian source, patched it, and build it into a binary package which > > I could install in place of the normal Debian one. It is working > > fine with both PPPoA for ADSL and standard dialup. > > Remember to mark the package as "hold" if you use apt-get at all. You > can do this through one of the front-ends (not sure whether dselect > can, though), or I think it's echo "pppd hold" | dpkg --set-selections > if you feel like brute force. You should check the fine manual before > believing me, though. I just checked in aptitude and it seems to have aquired hold status automatically, unless in a brief moment of inspiration I thought to do this myself. When building the package I did look to see if there was any easy way of setting the package version so it was obvious it was an unoffical package but I didn't see such a thing. Anyone know if this is easy? > Actually, I remember someone complaining on another IRC channel about > this problem, but I don't remember if there was another solution. > Such is the trouble with IRC for technical questions. My guess is that it is to do with the fact that the symbol is a BSS symbol rather than a normal text or data symbol, but that doesn't provide a solution. Actaully, since my last e-mail I have remembered another small issue with the Conexant Tigris drivers - one is supposed to be able to get status information from /proc/net/atm/CnxAdsl:0 but if I try to cat this file it dies with a segmentation fault with syslog indicating that a NULL pointer dereference is happening within the kernel. Kudos to Linus and the other kernel contributors that the kernel can recover from errors like this by killing the process that invoked the faulted code. This bug also doesn't seem to make any difference to the actual operation of the card and sufficient status information seems to be available from the /proc/CnxAdslDebugQuery file. Steve.

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Re: [Alug] PCI ADSL modems
by Steve Fosdick 13 Apr '03

13 Apr '03

On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 18:24:05 +0100 Jonathan McDowell <noodles(a)earth.li> wrote: > Update: I've just used these drivers with a Dabs Value PCI ADSL modem in > a Debian Woody box successfully. Main hassle was getting a version of > pppd that supports PPPoATM, but aside from that it wasn't too bad. I also have the Dabs Value PCI ADSL modem working. My kernel version is 2.4.20 and I didn't need to apply any kernel patches at all. The Debian atm-tools package supplies the necessary libatm.so. For me the two points of slight difficulty were: 1. The Debian ppp package doesn't support PPPoA. I was able to find a patch against the version of pppd used in Debian so I downloaded the Debian source, patched it, and build it into a binary package which I could install in place of the normal Debian one. It is working fine with both PPPoA for ADSL and standard dialup. 2. For some reason building the kernel pppoatm driver as a module didn't work because modprobe couldn't find the pppoatm_ioctl_hook symbol. I posted a separate message about this on 5th April. This is not a showstopper though as it works correctly with ATM support including PPPoA compiled into the kernel. Steve.

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SuSe 8.2
by Jamie French 12 Apr '03

12 Apr '03

Hi Guys, Hope all is well! I am looking to get hold of SuSe 8.2, largely for the inclusion of MainActor. Can anyone recommend a source to obtain a copy? Amazon do have it, but thought I would see if there are any other sources. Take Care, Jamie

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Re: [Alug] PCI ADSL modems
by Wayne Stallwood 12 Apr '03

12 Apr '03

On Sunday 02 March 2003 11:32, Chris Walker wrote: > I'm about to buy an ADSL modem - wymondham has been enabled at last - but > I'm confused about what to buy. I bought a conexant internal PCI ADSL modem a while ago as it advertised Linux compatability on the box and I was (at the time) fed up with the Alcatel Frog modem. However when I got it home I discovered that "Linux Compatable" meant a couple of kernel modules suppiled (no source) and only available for two kernels neither of which I wanted to run. Grrrrrr Even if it did have binary drivers for my kernel, I would be hesitant to use it as I would only ever be able to upgrade when they decide to complie new modules. So it sits unused and unwanted on my shelf.

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Re:need help with sparcbook2...
by lea Gardner - Dennant 12 Apr '03

12 Apr '03

does anyone know of how to install a clean sunOS4 over the network onto a passworded sparcbook2? (network primarily runs windblows/disc-less linux at present, but will soon have running sun enterprise 450 server.) this one is baffling guys, so any help would be much appreciated <mailto:leagard@lycos.com> -- On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 06:25:11 main-request wrote: >Send main mailing list submissions to > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > main-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk > >You can reach the person managing the list at > main-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of main digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: RAM Disks (Keith Watson) > 2. P2P Search Engines (BenE) > 3. Re: RAM Disks (xs(a)kittenz.org) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 >Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 20:13:13 +0100 >From: Keith Watson <kpwatson(a)ukfsn.org> >To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk >Subject: Re: [Alug] RAM Disks > >On Mon, 7 Apr 2003 10:46:13 +0100 >xs(a)kittenz.org wrote: >> >> They are very fast, and their contents easily removed. This makes >> them good filesystems for /tmp. >> > >sounds interesting, can you point me in the direction of some material that >explains this in more detail? > >Cheers > >Keith > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 >Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 22:10:37 +0100 (BST) >From: BenE <mail(a)psychoferret.freeserve.co.uk> >Reply-To: mail(a)psychoferret.freeserve.co.uk >To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk >Subject: [Alug] P2P Search Engines > > >(I hope this gets through, I've just installed/configured exim ::grin::) > >There's a thread on another list I'm on, with regards to the recent >google stories on the register, about open source search engines. Has >anyone had any experience of any? I notice theres a few about, but none >I've heard of. > >A few people have suggested that a peer to peer search engine might be a >good solution (mostly for decentralisation reasons). Does anyone have any >thoughts? Good? Bad? Impossible? It's certainly an interesting idea IMO. >Might be worth giving it a go to see if it's feasable. > >BenE > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 >Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 22:47:52 +0100 >From: xs(a)kittenz.org >To: Keith Watson <kpwatson(a)ukfsn.org> >Cc: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk >Subject: Re: [Alug] RAM Disks > >on Fri, Apr 11, 2003 at 08:13:13PM +0100, Keith Watson wrote: >> On Mon, 7 Apr 2003 10:46:13 +0100 >> xs(a)kittenz.org wrote: >> > They are very fast, and their contents easily removed. This makes >> > them good filesystems for /tmp. >> >> sounds interesting, can you point me in the direction of some material that >> explains this in more detail? > >http://www.linuxfocus.org/English/November1999/article124.html is similar >to how I remember doing it with 2.2.x. It may have changed since >then. /usr/src/linux/Documentation/ramdisk.txt documents some >of it. > > > > >--__--__-- > >_______________________________________________ >main(a)lists.alug.org.uk >http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ >http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > > >End of main Digest > ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB, POP3, Spam Filtering with LYCOS MAIL PLUS for $19.95/year. http://login.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus&ref=lmtplus

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strange window maximising question
by BenEBoy 10 Apr '03

10 Apr '03

Evening all, I don't suppose anyone knows of a way to control the way a window maximises in X (using fluxbox to be precise)? I'm trying to find a way to make sure no windows obscures gkrellm on my desktop when maximised, so I can keep an eye on my new mail indicator (amongst other things). Conversely, I don't really want gkrellm to obscure other windows either. The man pages etc. didn't mention anything about this so I'm guessing it would involve hacking the X/fluxbox code. I thought I'd just check with you lot first, just in case theres a head slappingly simple solution ;-) Cheers, BenE

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FW: h323 and smoothwall
by Dave 10 Apr '03

10 Apr '03

Hi, I have Smoothwall gpl 1.0 firewall and behind it a mandrake box and a w***ows xp box (sorry) which I wish to have netmeetings on. I have found out that I need something called h232 but that's all I've found out. Any help would be great but please be gentle with me I can install linux from a disk and use vi and things but I'm not mr techy. Thanks Dave

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kernel upgrade problems
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 10 Apr '03

10 Apr '03

Hi, list. I've been trying to upgrade my kernel for what seems like months now. It has an ancient old 2.2.18pre21 kernel, and I've been trying many times to compile 2.4.19. I've tried from a fresh confi, from the 2.2.18pre21 config, removing apm and vari0us bits and bobs. But all that happens if I try and boot into it is that it gets as far as "loading linux......................." then reboots back to the startup. 2.2.18pre21 still boots just fine from lilo. on IRC it was suggested I look in lilo.conf for lines like "initrc", I looked and there are none. I spent a while last night looking at the differences between all the files I could find relevant to the two kernels, like permissions gone wrong, missing links, but can't find any. Any ideas, anyone? It's a pretty old box now, but i didn't think backwards compatability was a problem. Thanks, Jenny

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Re: [Alug] FW: h323 and smoothwall
by jamie.french＠talk21.com 10 Apr '03

10 Apr '03

I don't know about Richard Morrells antics against ALUG, though I was on the receiving end of vicious verbal abuse for using the GPL version of smoothwall within their IRC channel. Basically he claimed we are a bleeders, sucking to company dry ?? Oh well ditched them rather quickly and got myself a router, but it was a good product which served me well. Shame it was let down by it's founders. Take Care, Jamie > Ian Douglas <alug(a)k1ngph1cher.com> wrote: > behind a Smoothwall 1.0. (Don't worry - ALUGers are usually quite tolerant > of our newbie foibles! ;-) > >But... but... but... but... Smoothwall! Fancy supporting the man who >wanted to kill ALUG. I guess he's left that project now, but I'd still >use IPcop in prefernce until they disown him. > >Do we have many gnomemeeting users in the group? > >MJR > > > >_______________________________________________ >main(a)lists.alug.org.uk ><a Target='_new' Href='http://talk21.btopenworld.com/redirect.html?http://www.alug.org.uk/'>http://www.alug.org.uk/</a> ><a Target='_new' Href='http://talk21.btopenworld.com/redirect.html?http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailma…'>http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main</a> >Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! Best Regards, Jamie French -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com

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short shpiel...
by lea Gardner - Dennant 10 Apr '03

10 Apr '03

the reason that i am interested in linux is that i am sick of the half-assed coding, mundane, not so powerful windblows. yes it serves a purpose for some (and i certainly get a lot of stick from friends because of my penguinian persuasion), however, i find that many "tools of the trade" are already within linux/unix. i do not have to buy thirdparty stuff. many extra bits are freely d/l-able. (and when leading a "scouting mission" on a network, linux quite frankly kicks the pants off of any windblows box!) there are many many different flavours of linux to choose from too, which means in turn that maybe for a specific task, you could switch to a particular type/version that is better suited to the task in hand. blah blah...(list is near endless!) ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB, POP3, Spam Filtering with LYCOS MAIL PLUS for $19.95/year. http://login.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus&ref=lmtplus

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Re: [Alug] FW: h323 and smoothwall
by Ben Norcutt 10 Apr '03

10 Apr '03

Sorry I don't know the background to this wantign to kill ALUG statement but I presume you are talking about Richard Morell well he's now resigned from the company and is pursuing other projects. IPcop, *spit*, hmm Cheers, Ben

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Attention web editors and any others
by MJ Ray 09 Apr '03

09 Apr '03

Now that the Makefile seems to be working, I've uploaded another copy of the ALUG website source to http://www.alug.org.uk/alug-web-20030409.tar.gz Feel free to download it. You probably need GNU shellutils and textutils, but most distributions install them by default. To actually build a copy of the site, you'll need xsltproc from libxslt. Could anyone who has their name as the author of a page please either check/update it and then run "make patch", or tell me that they no longer wish to own that page. Anyone who wants to add a page to the web site, please let me know. We probably should move any mature pages out of the wiki and into the main site. My next tasks are: update the layout files; check and update my own pages, the same as everyone else does; make sure all pages have someone looking after them. The owners that I have listed are: ./articles/2001a/lpr2fax.xml: <author >MJ Ray</author> ./articles/2001a/meeting20011.xml: <author >BJ</author> ./articles/2001a/linuxday.xml: <author >MJR</author> ./articles/2001a/meeting20012.xml: <author >BJ</author> ./articles/2001a/ircnames.xml: <author >Jenny Hopkins</author> ./articles/2001a/alugfaq.xml: <author >Current maintainer Adam Bower</author> ./articles/2001a/venuereq.xml: <author >Adam Bower</author> ./articles/2001a/promoart.xml: <author >MJR</author> ./articles/2001a/bestmeat.xml: <author >Alexis Lee</author> ./articles/2001a/refs.xml: <author >Jenny Hopkins</author> ./articles/2001a/refs.xml: <author >Alexis Lee</author> ./articles/2001a/refs.xml: <author >Jenny Hopkins</author> ./background/contacts.xml: <author >MJ Ray</author> ./background/submissions.xml: <author >ALUG Webmaster</author> ./background/cvs-access.xml: <author >MJ Ray</author> ./background/xml-formats.xml: <author >MJ Ray</author> ./background/jobs.xml: <author >Alexis Lee</author> -- MJR http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ IM: slef(a)jabber.at This is my home web site. This for Jabber Messaging. How's my writing? Let me know via any of my contact details.

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past meetings
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 08 Apr '03

08 Apr '03

Here's a tricky one, but can all members who have hosted a meeting over the last two years (since Nov 2001) try and remember the date, venue and a very rough overview of who turned up and what took place? Send to me off list. Ta Jen

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 07 Apr '03

07 Apr '03

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Fw: Kernel Symbol and Sysmap Trouble
by Steve Fosdick 05 Apr '03

05 Apr '03

Here are an interesting couple of problems I am having with kernel symbols I am hoping someone may be able to help me with. 1. Symbol Not Found. Having selected basic ATM and IP over ATM to be built into the kernel and PPPoA to be built as a module and building and installing both kernel and modules, when I try to install the pppoatm module I get an unresolved symbol error for pppoatm_ioctl_hook. Having checked the source pppoatm_ioctl_hook is defined in net/atm/common.c like this: #if defined(CONFIG_PPPOATM) || defined(CONFIG_PPPOATM_MODULE) int (*pppoatm_ioctl_hook)(struct atm_vcc *, unsigned int, unsigned long); EXPORT_SYMBOL(pppoatm_ioctl_hook); #endif As my .config file contains: CONFIG_PPPOATM=m I would expect the symbol to be defined and if I run 'nm' on common.o I find the line: 00000000 B pppoatm_ioctl_hook So the symbol is definitely there. Is the B for BSS segment and is that why it isn't found? If I select pppoatm to be built into the kernel the symbol is resolved correctly. 2. System.map does not match kernel data. After building a kernel and installing it, running LILO and installing the modules, sometimes I get errors about System.map not matching the kernel data. The last example is having build pppoatm into the kernel and I got the following errors during startup: {pppoatm_ioctl_hook} {pppoatm_ioctl_hook_R__ver_pppoatm_ioctl_hook} /boot/System.map-2.4.20 does not match kernel data On a machine at work I often get a similar warning about the System.map not matching kernel data when running the ps command though when the machine is first booted this problem rarely happens, it only appears after some time. Any guesses? Steve.

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Advert! Hardwares To Go!
by Craig 04 Apr '03

04 Apr '03

Okay, here we go: Hitachi GD-7500 DVD-ROm 4X = �15 Liteon CDRW 32x12x40x = �20 Unbranded 4x4x24x CDRW(!) = �10 2x 256mb PC133 = �25 each 10 gig Matrox hdd = �20 41.1gig IBM 5400RPM hdd = �50 Geforce 3 ti200 DDR 64mb AGP = �45 Geforce 2mx 32mb AGP = �20 Matrox 4mb Mytisque PCI = �5 Creative Soundblaster AWE64 ISA = �5 Duron 800mhz (Including Heatsink) + Chaintech CT-7AJA2 (onboard cmedia 8738) + ATX Mini-Tower Case + MS Intellimouse Explorer 2 button optical PS2/USB = �100 AMD K2(?) 350Mhz + VA-503+ mobo + AT Full Tower case + AT keyboard. �60 17" Hansol 710P monitor = �80 TV card (Bt848AKPF as it says on the chipset) PCI = �10 Let me know if you are interested to buy them. Also, spread the word if you know someone looking for some hardwares as well. Just anything to get them off my hands for them to be in use rather than collecting dust! And yes, they all work under GNU/Linux ;) -- (o_ - Craig Butcher //\ - IT Technician / Unix Support MTH/ENV @ UEA V_/_ - http://www.wizball.co.uk

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RE: [Alug] Newsforge: NVIDIA's Latest Drivers and the Quadro FX
by Simon Jude 03 Apr '03

03 Apr '03

On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Adam Bower wrote: > > But how well does it compare to one of the SGI VAN (visual area network) > systems, this sounds as though it is trying to compete with it. If SGI had > given you a quote then you would probably be looking at just over a million > quid for a similar system, possibly 400k second hand and thats without > support! > Yep! Exactly the original plan from about 5 years ago was for an SGI at about 400K. Evidently they quoted 1 million plus for a system for one uni and another company wheeled in a couple of PC image generators that had better performance!! We recently saw an SGI Onyx system down at BP research which wasn't too impressive!! Sorry to go a bit off topic!!!

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RE: [Alug] Newsforge: NVIDIA's Latest Drivers and the Quadro FX
by Adam Bower 03 Apr '03

03 Apr '03

> -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Jude [mailto:S.Jude@uea.ac.uk] > One the subject of Nvidia graphics cards and drivers, here at > work we are > in the process of purchasing a new VR lab. One of the PC > image generator > systems we have been shown is basically a cluster of PCs that does > parallel rendering and uses Nvidia GeForce 4 cards with one > or two tweeks > of the chips and drivers...Now for the amusing bit...for > these tweeks to > what are basically fairly standard PCs we have been quoted > 100K for one > system and 140K for a one with more rendering power. I think > I am in the > wrong business!!! But how well does it compare to one of the SGI VAN (visual area network) systems, this sounds as though it is trying to compete with it. If SGI had given you a quote then you would probably be looking at just over a million quid for a similar system, possibly 400k second hand and thats without support! > > Oh and as for support...we were quoted 20K per year for this > system!!! ;-) Commercial support isn't cheap though, 20k per year is less than the cost of 1 fairly well trained monkey... Again if it was SGI you would probably be paying about 10x as much (I won't dare compare SGI with monkeys, one of the two would get very offended) Adam

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RE: [Alug] Newsforge: NVIDIA's Latest Drivers and the Quadro FX
by Adam Bower 03 Apr '03

03 Apr '03

> Seeing it is there in gentoo.. I am going to test it out right now on > this laptop :) Is this a precursor to "For Sale - 1 used laptop, works well except screen or graphics card broken, has nvidia chipset....." ;) Adam

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Newsforge: NVIDIA's Latest Drivers and the Quadro FX
by Keith Watson 03 Apr '03

03 Apr '03

<QUOTE> http://newsvac.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/04/02/201255 Augustus writes "LinuxHardware.org just published a review looking at NVIDIA's latest driver. "Monday, NVIDIA took the next step in their strive to own the Linux video market with the release of their 1.0-4349 drivers. These drivers represent a first in the Linux driver market, a utility that not only installs the drivers on any distribution, but also keeps the driver up-to-date. We now take a look at this new utility and the drivers themselves. ... </QUOTE> anyone tried the new NVIDIA driver installer yet? Keith ____________ 'I always use the word impossible with the greatest caution.' - Wernher Von Braun

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RE: [Alug] Allow to sell?
by Adam Bower 03 Apr '03

03 Apr '03

> -----Original Message----- > From: Craig [mailto:craig@wizball.co.uk] > Couldn't actually think of a better subject. However, I have a few > hardwares to sell off and thought this would be the ideal place? Just > want to double check before I post another message with hardwares to > sell! Ummm, we did have an FAQ on this... I can't remember what it was though and as the site is still half down its a bit hard to tell you :) Anyhow I think it was along the lines of "selling stuff is fine but it must be GNU/Linux related or hardware must be compatible with GNU/Linux (or free software) and put ADV or advert in your subject line and make sure it is obvious that you are selling stuff." Don't send it more than once either, if you do then I will boil or barbecue you depending on what my mood is at the time :) Adam

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Allow to sell?
by Craig 03 Apr '03

03 Apr '03

Couldn't actually think of a better subject. However, I have a few hardwares to sell off and thought this would be the ideal place? Just want to double check before I post another message with hardwares to sell! -- (o_ - Craig Butcher //\ - IT Technician / Unix Support MTH/ENV @ UEA V_/_ - http://www.wizball.co.uk

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Re: [Alug] Allow to sell?
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 03 Apr '03

03 Apr '03

Craig wrote: >Couldn't actually think of a better subject. However, I have a few >hardwares to sell off and thought this would be the ideal place? Just >want to double check before I post another message with hardwares to >sell! 's'ok by me - I'm interested. Can't speak for list protocol though. Jen

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Alug site was RE: [Alug] meetings
by Adam Bower 02 Apr '03

02 Apr '03

> Oh whats up with the alug site? it is www.alug.org.uk right? > > Dennis Dryden Ummm, oh dear, php4 hosting were hosting it but if you read here http://www.php4hosting.co.uk/update.php that would explain the sites current status. Adam

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Re: [Alug] meetings
by NuTTeR -- Not Entered -- 02 Apr '03

02 Apr '03

Ye that seems like a good idea to me dont you need a certain amount of UEA students to do it(15?)? If it is too late just do it next year(Sep or October or whenever you go back). Oh whats up with the alug site? it is www.alug.org.uk right? Dennis Dryden ----- Original Message ----- From: Kamel Saadi <kamel_saadi(a)yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 09:40:02 +0000 To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug] meetings > Hi, > > I think as a UEA student I can create a linux society, I don't know > whether it is late or not but I will ask and find out, this way we can > have regular meetings. If you think it is a good please let me know. > > Regards. > > Kamel. -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze

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Gentoo and the LSB
by Laurie Brown 02 Apr '03

02 Apr '03

Folks, According to the latest Gentoo newsletter, the following is happening: "In what will likely prove to be a controversial decision, Portage 2.1 will adopt the RPM format for all packages moving forward. The use of ebuilds will be deprecated in favor of the defacto RPM standard. The primary driver for this decision was to ensure compliance with the Linux Standard Base[1] specification, which mandates RPM support for package management." Further: "Additionally, because of LSB's required library support[2], the xfree86 package will move to become part of the base Gentoo Linux system, rather than an optional addition." I have *major* problems with this. Firstly, I want compiled, optimised code, not someone else's RPMd crap, and secondly, what the hell do I want xfree86 on a server for? I've been really happy with G2 for the last year, and now this... What's Debian doing in this regard? Anyone know? Cheers, Laurie. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Laurie Brown laurie(a)brownowl.com --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Busting the Spam Buster ...
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 01 Apr '03

01 Apr '03

Got yet another of those performance-enhancer spams. The HTML has been confusingly fragmented (see below) no doubt to evade filters which search for keywords ... Ted. EXCERPT: ======================================================= From: Agnes McMullin <Chunnsxw(a)i-france.com> Subject: Greetings <html> <body SIZE AND STAMINA DO MATTER More Than You Can Possibly Imagine!! She is just trying to spare your feelings by telling you otherwise. DON'T WAIT UNTIL SHE IS GONE TO FIND OUT THAT YOU COULDN'T SATISFY HER!!! INTRODUCING, THE FIRST ALL-IN-ONE Male Performance Enhancer AND Penis Enlargement [etc.] ========================================================= -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 167 1972 Date: 01-Apr-03 Time: 13:16:09 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 31 Mar '03

31 Mar '03

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Norwich PC User Group
by Syd Hancock 28 Mar '03

28 Mar '03

here is some more info for anyone in the area who might be interested: NPCUG: website is now <http://www.npcug.org> The serie of introductory workshops on linux continues - seem to be booked up now but if nothing else it shows that interest is growing. Email contacts: see the site but maybe general email (as opposed to, say, membership enquireies etc) should go to Ann Chesterton who deals with Public Relations <chestep(a)clara.co.uk> Regards Syd

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What wakes my hard disk up?
by Edenyard 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

Does any one have any ideas how to track down what's waking my hard disk up every few seconds? The problem is that the Linux PC sometimes spends hours not being used and I'd like the HDD to spin down after (say) 15 minutes of inactivity. I've set the BIOS power-saving HDD spin-down and this works well enough when booted to DOS, but in Linux it just won't sleep. If I force it to sleep using 'hdparm -y /dev/hda1', it spins down and promptly starts up again after a few seconds. I've ensured that it's not cron waking it up and I've also disabled the syslog from writing ' -- mark --' into the log file every so often, but now I'm stumped. I've looked in the log files in /var/log but nothing's owning up so far. Is there a way of logging every disk access request or something like that? Any ideas, anyone? Thanks! Gerald.

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Re: [Alug] blackbox
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

Chris Glover wrote: >Usually, when you run xterm, you can specify a window name. I tend to use > >xterm -name PUTWHATEVERHERE -bg black -fg white -display wibble:0.0 & > >HTH Chris - way to go! I've got a lurid screen covered with purple and blue screens now. Ouch! Thanks, Jenny :-)

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blackbox
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

Hullo, I'm using blackbox window manager, with bbkeys for keyboard shortcuts. Two things I can't work out: 1. How to save not only the number of workspaces and their names, but the actual "contents" of that workspace, - i.e. if i close xwindow when I had three xterms open in a workspace, they are still there when I startx again. At the moment if I restart, the workspaces are all there but are empty. 2. If it is possible to change the name of an xterm window from "xterm" to something more likely to help me remember what the hell is going on in that particular window! Thanks, Jenny

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Re: [Alug] What wakes my hard disk up?
by Edenyard 27 Mar '03

27 Mar '03

Adam Bower wrote: > > Are you using ext3 or reiserfs or XFS? > Sorry - I've half-jobbed! I should have said it's a Slackware 8.1 system using ext2 and kernel 2.4.18. raph(a)panache.demon.co.uk wrote: > > sync runs every 30 secs to flush the disk buffers. > This sounds a bit fundamental. Does this mean that, in general, Linux users never allow their HDDs to sleep then? Gerald.

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meetings
by Kamel Saadi 26 Mar '03

26 Mar '03

Hi, I think as a UEA student I can create a linux society, I don't know whether it is late or not but I will ask and find out, this way we can have regular meetings. If you think it is a good please let me know. Regards. Kamel.

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Power management
by BenEBoy 26 Mar '03

26 Mar '03

I don't suppose anyone knows how to turn off the standby mode thingy in linux (heh, I'm well up to speed on my terminology aren't I?). It is damned annoying having the monitor turn itself off after 15 minutes or so of being unattended :-) Especially when watching the pretty visuals from various XMMS plugins. I've checked all the places I could think of, but can't find hide nor hair of it. cheers, BenE (Oh, using linuxfromscratch 4.0 BTW)

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Re: [Alug] Introduction to the group
by Edenyard 26 Mar '03

26 Mar '03

Syd Hancock wrote: > (....) > So, is anyone interested? > Yes! In my own case, the closer a meet is to my own front door step (so to speak), the higher the probability that I'll attend. This is solely due to lack of time, rather than apathy. Every hour spent travelling is an hour not spent shortening the (seemingly) endless list of clients' problems - and solving those is what puts bread on my table! Don't know whether that was the answer you wanted or not, Syd... Gerald.

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Re: [Alug] Introduction to the group
by Syd Hancock 26 Mar '03

26 Mar '03

> Hmmm.... Seems like people HAVE indeed heard of this part of > the world. Maybe we need a special East Suffolk Branch? You know, I've thought for some time that one of the difficulties that we face is that ALUG covers a very large area. As linux use spreads then perhaps we need to focus on smaller catchment areas. It is significant, for example, that the Norwich PC user group has recently held two monthly meetings devoted to linux. Of course is important to avoid schisms and splintering - or even to give the appearance of setting off alone. Within the LUG structure, is there any provision for local groups, affiliated to a regional umbrella group (e.g. a Martesham LUG affiliated to ALUG)? Just a thought thrown open for discussion. Syd

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apt setup help
by Paul 25 Mar '03

25 Mar '03

After trawling though the man pages for apt, apt-get, apt.conf and synaptic, I can't see how to set the system up to use a local repository. Searched the alug archives for an answer to no avail.. The packages need to be on a hard drive so that I can mess around on a box that doesn't have internet access... So two questions for the apt-experts.. What do I need to add to /etc/apt/apt.conf or *.lists to get Synaptic to use a local directory ? Do I need to auto-generate a package list to resolve dependency problems, or does apt do this without prompting ? Regards, Paul. -- "To err is human...to really f*** things up requires the root password."

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Evening Meetings
by Keith Watson 25 Mar '03

25 Mar '03

Like some others, I find it a bit difficult to get to meetings a weekends at the moment, but there's nothing to stop those of us who do live in a local area getting together anytime to have a pint and talk shop. Is there any interest in an evening meet in or around the Norwich area sometime for us locals? Any suggestions for a venue? Keith ____________ EXPERT, n. see EX - a has been, and SPURT - a drip.

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Introduction to the group
by Edenyard 25 Mar '03

25 Mar '03

Hmmm.... Seems like people HAVE indeed heard of this part of the world. Maybe we need a special East Suffolk Branch? I was beginning to think that Norwich had a monopoly on ALUG. Gerald (Martlesham) ("Where...?") Neil Marjoram wrote: > Based in Ipswich. iD <id(a)nooped.com> wrote: >> Where about in suffolk then? I live near Beccles. > Ipswich.

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RE: [Alug] Is GNU/Linux more secure than Windows?
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 25 Mar '03

25 Mar '03

> Incidentally, is The Cuckoo's Egg as good a read? I lent an alugger my copy and can't remember who, if anyone has a copy and don't know where it came from? No response on the alug library books yet, - anyone? Jen

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RE: [Alug] Linux Programming by Example - Kurt Wall
by Keith Watson 25 Mar '03

25 Mar '03

> From: Adam Bower > > > I've been browsing web articles on writing apps for GNU/Linux > > and a couple have recommended the above as a good place to > start. Has > > anybody else on the list read it? and, if so, what's your > > opinion of it? > > Unfortunately not. > > > Any alternative recommendations? > > I have been using O'Reillys Safari http://safari.oreilly.com > for books, both > to read online and consider before purchasing dead tree > versions. It works > out at about 10 quid a month for access to a ten "point" > bookshelf (about > ten books) and you get a 2 week free trial at the moment. It > may be a way to > consider which dead tree books you want to try. > Safari looks interesting, thanks for the tip. Keith ____________ MARRIAGE, n. The state or condition of a community consisting of a master, a mistress and two slaves, making in all, two. Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary

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Linux Programming by Example - Kurt Wall
by Keith Watson 25 Mar '03

25 Mar '03

I've been browsing web articles on writing apps for GNU/Linux and a couple have recommended the above as a good place to start. Has anybody else on the list read it? and, if so, what's your opinion of it? Any alternative recommendations? Keith ____________ Never ascribe to malice, that which can be explained by incompetence.

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RE: [Alug] Grub issues
by Adam Bower 25 Mar '03

25 Mar '03

> > What speed AGP is it? (the gfx card) > > 4x, Ti 4400 Should be less of a problem then as the card is not AGP3.0 > > and which agp drivers are you using? If > > you are using an AGP 3.0 card then things may get > interesting as the standard > > kernel doesnt' support them yet, > > It worked perfectly with a Abit KG7-RAID Which is an AMD 761 based board, these have AGP support in the kernel. > its the 31-23 i think. 31-something. > the kernel module is called NVdriver Try using the newer drivers, they are up to version 41something something.... You could try the disabling AGP to start with though, as thats only 1 line in the config file and may narrow it down a bit. Adam

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Link to a Story of a Denial of Service Attack
by Keith Watson 25 Mar '03

25 Mar '03

Although this is about holes in the Windows OS, I'd be interested to know what those members of the list who know a bit about TCP etc. think about this, and if any of it applies to GNU/Linux. Follow this link to read an absolutely fascinating story about a denial of service attack on an windows internet security expert's web site and what he did about it. <http://grc.com/dos/grcdos.htm> Keith ____________ CONSOLATION, n. The knowledge that a better man is more unfortunate than yourself. Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary

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Grub issues
by Tristan Scott 25 Mar '03

25 Mar '03

I have a 750 pIII with Gentoo on it, got the system cheap cos i work in a computer shop. built OS, kernel and so on, but im having trouble with grub.... now, the help file said to : # grub grub> root (hd0,0) grub> setup (hd0) grub> quit # nano -w /boot/grub/grub.conf nano> default 0 nano> timeout 30 nano> # there is a splash image here, but i cant remember the path, and commenting nano> # it out doesnt change things nano> nano> title Mp3/web server nano> root (hd0,0) nano> kernel (hd0,0)/bzImage root=/dev/hda2 nano> when i run grub> setup (hd0), i get a messages about grub.conf - a positive message. copying it to manu.lst dosent work either. when i boot, i get grub screen, as if i had run grub from the command prompt. no sign of the splash screen. i assume this is a broken config? if i then type: grub> kernel (hd0,0)/bzImage grub> boot the system will boot as normal. BTW hda1 = /boot = 50mb hda2 = / = ~19.8GB hda3 = swap = 150mb ideally i want this booting, then ill build apache, mysql, php and all the other stuff. the 20gb is temporary, will buy an 80GB and serve streaming mp3s from a website over the local lan. YAY-YAY-YAY my new system ariving today: chaintech 7njs deluxe (nforce2, 3 PATA, 2SATA channels) 2600+ 333fsb 2 x 512mb crucial PC2700 2x abit serielle SATA adaptors for PATA drives 550 watt PSU, gold, twin transparent fans 'silent' Volcano 9, dabs eta 2 weeks, Dragon Orb 3 hairdryer for now. total bill? 604 (including paying myself at 35 p/h to build it... he he he) Tristan Scott Computer Engineer PC-Seller PLC 355 Alysham road, opposite boundary pub Norwich NR3 2RX Tel: 01603 442233 Fax: 01603 404410

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If you are a newcomer to Unix/Linux
by Keith Watson 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

If you joined ALUG because you've just started to look at GNU/Linux and have no previous experience of unix type operating systems, you might find the article "Unix is a 4 letter word" at this site <http://unix.t-a-y-l-o-r.com/> helpful. Keith ____________ Since it is no part of the words we unthinkingly use, it leaves no trace in the things we say. Dogen

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Linux Enhances..... Shakespeare!
by Craig 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

http://slashdot.org/articles/03/03/24/1412226.shtml?tid=186&tid=106 Coolness........ if you can get to the site! -- (o_ - Craig Butcher //\ - IT Technician / Unix Support MTH/ENV @ UEA V_/_ - http://www.wizball.co.uk - Using Gentoo GNU/Linux

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 24 Mar '03

24 Mar '03

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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How to remove an operating system
by Karl Middleton 22 Mar '03

22 Mar '03

Can anyone advise on how to safely remove an operating system on a dual boot laptop? I have a laptop with a WIN XP partition and a Red Hat 7.2 partition, with GRUB as the boot manager. As I've now got a PC I can use as a dedicated Linux system I now need to put the laptop back to a single operating system Windoze XP. I have Partition Magic 7.0, but I'm concerned about just repartitioning/reformating the Linux partition. I don't want to end up with an unbootable laptop. Preferably I would end up with just one partition (Windows C:) and the laptop would boot straight into Windows without any boot manager program. Has anyone experience in this area got suggestions as to how to proceed safely? Thanks Karl Middleton

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My introduction post. :)
by iD 22 Mar '03

22 Mar '03

Hi, I've been subscribed to the list for some time now, but never actually got around to introducing myself. So here goes: I'm Wayne, 16, from Suffolk. I've been using Linux for just under a year and find it to be one of the most interesting operating systems I've come across. I hope that possibly I can be of some help answering any easier questions on the list. :) iD, id(a)nooped.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The better the state is established, the fainter is humanity. To make the individual uncomfortable, that is my task. -- Nietzsche

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Introduction to the group
by Neil Marjoram 21 Mar '03

21 Mar '03

OK, I've never actually joined a LUG before, which is strange since I've been working with Linux now for 5 years and Unix since 1994, I don't know what to expect from the group, but hope I will be of some help to further the cause. Quick run down of me : Neil Marjoram. Age over 30! Married, no kids, one dog. Based in Ipswich. Interests : Motorsport ( http://www.ecmc.co.uk ) / Local ghost stories / history. Systems at home : 1 x SMP RH 8.0 / 1 x Cyrix 500 RH 8.0 / 1 x Portege 2000 RH 8.0 Systems at work : 35 various RH 7.3 / Solaris 8 / 7 / 2.6 Computer Qualifications : RHCE RH 8.0 / AIX 4.3 I currentlly work for the Victoria & Albert Museum ( http://www.vam.ac.uk ), in charge of all *nix systems. Specialist subjects : Apache / Tomcat / Security / Sysadmin I won't bore you any more, hope I can be of some help to everybody in the group. Neil. PS, wife may be able to answer PHP / Java / Oracle / Mysql questions - but don't quote me! -- Neil Marjoram <n.marjoram(a)vam.ac.uk> Victoria & Albert Museum

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Domain Name Hosting
by tom potts 21 Mar '03

21 Mar '03

Ian, www.ukreg.com are pretty good - less that £10 py for .com, 50 e-mail redirects etc and moderately fast e-mail help. Tom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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Recommendations for Domain Name hosting?
by Ian Douglas 20 Mar '03

20 Mar '03

Hi Folks, I am currently toying with the idea of registering a domain name. It is something I have never done before so would appreciate advice from more experienced ALUGers on which hosting company to choose. I do not currently have a webpage/website so, although I would like to choose a company which would allow this so as to keep my options open for the future, my main purpose for registering a domain name is to be able to quote it to people to use for sending me email. I would preferably like the hosting company to allow me an infinite number of username mailboxes for incoming emails for my domain name (i.e so I can use ian(a)mydomainname.com, usefullmail(a)mydomainname.com, unwantedspam(a)mydomainname.com, deleteonreciept(a)mydomainname.com etc). I am not bothered whether I need to collect incoming emails from the hosting company myself via POP or whether they simply automatically redirect my incoming emails to my existing email account with my existing ISP. Are there any particular domain name hosting companies more experienced ALUGers could recommend? Or, alternatively, any horror stories about experiences with other companies that people would like to share with me to warn me about them (though these negative comments may be best sent privately to me rather than posted on the public ALUG list)? I live in Ipswich. If I find any small, local, domain name hosting companies would ALUGers recommend I use them or should I choose one of the big companies based in America? Finally, a practical question about actually registering my domain name: I have noticed that some companies entries in the WHOIS database include their address and telephone number as well as a contact name. Obviously, as a private individual, I am not too keen on the entire world knowing my address and telephone number as I have enough problems with email spam and don't want this nuisance expanded with loads of unsolicited paper mail and telephone calls as well. Is the publication of address and telephone number information compulsory or is it possible to just register a contact name when registering a domain name? Thanks in advance for your patience in answering my dumb questions! Ian.

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Recommendations for MP3 editor
by Keith Watson 20 Mar '03

20 Mar '03

I'm looking for a Debian package that provides a simple audio editor for some MP3's I have. Scanning the Debian site I've seen sweep, ecawave and audacity. Has anyone used any of these and, if so, what are your thoughts about them? Keith ____________ When tomorrow comes, this day will be gone forever, in its place is something that you have left behind... let it be something good.

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Re: [Alug] Re: wireless WANS
by Tristan 20 Mar '03

20 Mar '03

anyone else interested? me and one of my friends (also in cantley) are interested, that makes 3 that i know of! Tristan Scott Computer Engineer PC-Seller PLC 355 Alysham road, opposite boundary pub Norwich NR3 2RX Tel: 01603 442233 Fax: 01603 404410 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Sage" <lists(a)theangel.net> To: "Tristan" <trs(a)scott998.freeserve.co.uk> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 7:00 PM Subject: RE: [Alug] Re: wireless WANS > I have no idea how many people are interested at the moment its still a plan > forming, and with an exam tomorrow (MCP Win 2k) and a baby. I hope to start > doing some work on it soon thou. > > Not sure about costs yet, dont think they will be as high as satelitte > installs thou! ;o) > > Would probably just have to have a high gain arial for each village, then > some form of inipendant wireless network for that area. > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tristan [mailto:trs@scott998.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: 06 March 2003 08:56 > To: Michael Sage > Subject: Re: [Alug] Re: wireless WANS > > > they'll be raid 5 probably, so very unlikely i have that issues (yes i know > that cuts me down to 360Gb). hmm dunno about install, but FTP is probably > easiest. if i can be borthered, ill put gentoo on it, boot from floppy, > mount RAID, scp distribution, and orf we go (maybe). > how many other people have you got not interested in paying? > do you know how much the wireless stuff will be, and will a standard card > with a big ariel do it? methinks you'd have to boost transmissions somehow, > maybe a powered amp/arial? > > Tristan Scott > Computer Engineer > PC-Seller PLC > 355 Alysham road, opposite boundary pub > Norwich > NR3 2RX > Tel: 01603 442233 > Fax: 01603 404410 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Sage" <lists(a)theangel.net> > To: "Tristan" <trs(a)scott998.freeserve.co.uk> > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 7:48 PM > Subject: RE: [Alug] Re: wireless WANS > > > > Hmmm, OK, but no back up or CD Rom, good luck with the FTP or network > > install! ;o) The better option (if not slightly more expensive) is to go > for > > SCSI (you could just use it for the CD ROM I suppose and possibly a tape > > drive), any way good luck and I will let you know. > > > > I am gonna get to work on the pipe scheme, got someone coming to talk to > me > > at work about it on Friday so I will let you know. > > > > Regards, > > > > Michael > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tristan [mailto:trs@scott998.freeserve.co.uk] > > Sent: 03 March 2003 09:11 > > To: Michael Sage > > Subject: Re: [Alug] Re: wireless WANS > > > > > > > BTW, you will be lucky if you can find a Celeron board that will take a > TB > > > of storage!!! > > > > 4 ide channels, 4 120gb drives, raid or LVM to get one big one, 480 GB.... > > > > Tristan Scott > > Computer Engineer > > PC-Seller PLC > > 355 Alysham road, opposite boundary pub > > Norwich > > NR3 2RX > > Tel: 01603 442233 > > Fax: 01603 404410 > > > > > > <snippage> > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/2003 > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/2003 > > > > > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 25/02/2003 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 25/02/2003 > >

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RE: [Alug] filesystem problem
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 19 Mar '03

19 Mar '03

>Sounds like there was a hitch on startup and your fsck'ed filesystems weren't remounted as read-write. > >1st stupid question (from me that is :o) ), have you tried rebooting again? Keith: Obviously wasn't so stupid! Thanks Jen :-)

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filesystem problem
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 19 Mar '03

19 Mar '03

Hi, My box had a problem with usb and hung. When I rebooted, it hung for ages on "cannot create /var/log/ksymoops/20030319.log. Read-only file system" then continued booting but brought up similar messages about not being able to create various files. Looking at 20030319.log, the permissions are 644 and it was created at the time of the reboot. It consists of lines such as 20030319 111648 start /sbin/modprobe -s -k -- usb0 safemode=1 20030319 111648 probe ended over and over. Commands such as "cp" and "rm" will no longer work, nor will vi, as I appear to be running a "read-only" file system. Flavour is debian, kernel 2.4.19. Can anybody help? I'm not too hot on file-system types. Many thanks, Jenny.

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filesystem problem
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 19 Mar '03

19 Mar '03

I wrote: >My box had a problem with usb and hung. When I rebooted, it hung for ages >on "cannot create /var/log/ksymoops/20030319.log. Read-only file system" >then continued booting but brought up similar messages about not being able >to create various files. >Looking at 20030319.log, the permissions are 644 and it was created at the >time of the reboot. It consists of lines such as >20030319 111648 start /sbin/modprobe -s -k -- usb0 safemode=1 >20030319 111648 probe ended >over and over. >Commands such as "cp" and "rm" will no longer work, nor will vi, as I >appear to be running a "read-only" file system. >Flavour is debian, kernel 2.4.19. >Can anybody help? I'm not too hot on file-system types. >Many thanks, >Jenny. Problem seems sorted - I did a clean shutdown and reboot, and it ran fsck telling me hadn't shut down cleanly. I suppose that means it hadn't run on the previous boot even though it said it had. It seems okay now. My box has only crashed twice in the space of a year and both times has been a usb problem. Ta. Jen.

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FW: "Unix Text Processing"
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 17 Mar '03

17 Mar '03

Folks, A broadcast message (apologies to all who thereby receive cross-postings) to let you know that the excellent book "Unix Text Processing", originally by Dale Dougherty and Tim Reilly and published in 1987 by O'Reilly and Associates (increasingly famous for the outstanding series of "O'Reillys" on all sorts of aspects of Unix and Linux):-- -- having been released into the public domain by O'Reilly has been re-created as groff source code by a team of volunteers coordinated by Larry Kollar, and reformatted into PostScript and PDF. The result, now at "beta 2.1a", is available from http://www.alltel.net/~kollar/utp/ and is essentially complete. For those of you who may wonder what it's really about: -- it covers the use of Unix troff and friends, and the use of many of the general Unix utilities (vi, ex, sed, awk etc) in the coordinated way that Unix (and of course Linux) so readily permits, to produce high quality and sophisticated documents and books of almost arbitrary complexity, with the writer having control over the finest detail of layout and typesetting. Future planned developments will bring the book up to date with respect to the more recent devopments embodied in GNU groff, James Clark's re-creation of the Unix troff suite of programs. Best wishes to all, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 167 1972 Date: 14-Mar-03 Time: 19:28:28 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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I was at the meeting venue today, where was everyone else?
by Ashley 17 Mar '03

17 Mar '03

I was at UEA today, in Union House, in the correct room, at 2:20pm. However, no-one else was around. In fact, there was no indication that the ALUG meeting was ever going to happen, i.e. no signs, no notices in the room, etc. What happened? I waited a few minutes, assumed the meeting had been cancelled and went back home. Is this the start of the Cambridge CLUG experience, i.e. the meeting is at this specific venue, but you have to 'use the force' to find the other members! -- Ashley T. Howes PhD http://www.ashleyhowes.com "when all the animals of this world are gone, man will die of loneliness"

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 17 Mar '03

17 Mar '03

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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ODBC on RH8
by Tony Dietrich 16 Mar '03

16 Mar '03

I've just started try to do some programming on a Linux based system, after years of working in WinDoze. One of the first hurdles I'm facing is that the current project requires accessing a remote MySql server (remote, but on the same LAN). I'm assuming its possible to set up some sort of ODBC service, but for the life of me I can't find out the right way to do this. Has anyone got any hints please? I'm using NetBeans or KDevelop, as my programming environment, it that affects anything :P -- Tony Dietrich Transoft Computer Consultants 07769710115

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modem driver
by Kamel Saadi 15 Mar '03

15 Mar '03

Hi , I have an intel 536ep modem and a red hat linux 7.0(kernel 2.2.x) on my machine, the only driver I could find is for the 2.4.x kernel, can anyone help? Cheers.

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Announce digest, Vol 2 #3 - 1 msg
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 15 Mar '03

15 Mar '03

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. Fwd: [Alug] UEA meeting (16th March) (MJ Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:45:24 +0000 (GMT) From: mjr(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk (MJ Ray) Subject: [Alug Announce] Fwd: [Alug] UEA meeting (16th March) From: James Edward John Taylor <J.E.Taylor(a)uea.ac.uk> Subject: [Alug] UEA meeting (16th March) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:42:27 +0000 Hello ya'll. I havee been informed that there was a provisinal date for the UEA meeting of ALUG this weekend (Sunday 16th March). As opposed to the previous UEA meeting, this one will be ... semi organised!!!. I have booked a room in Union House for it, and will try to get there early enough to put up relevent penguin pictures pointing to room 1.33 which is the bigg room at the end of the corridor... the only problem with this room is that if we have more then sixty people turn up, then we will be forced to turn some away... Anyone else comming or will it be me on my tod? Is anyone bringing anything cool or semi-cool, or not cool at all but wants to make it cool? Anyone wanting to do a demonstration/presentation/speach at all? Anyways, tis all from me for now J _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.alug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Announce mailing list Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce End of Announce Digest

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Re: [SLL] "Unix Text Processing"
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 14 Mar '03

14 Mar '03

On 14-Mar-03 Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > This book is on my shelf and it says "Hayden Books" (of Howard Sams). > > It includes easy-to-understand chapters on unix fundamentals, using vi, > nroff, some macros, and drawing images (which I have not done yet). > > It has been quite useful even to this day. > > Jeremy C. Reed > http://bsd.reedmedia.net/ Thanks! You are right, and apologies for the error. Tim O'Reilly, none the less, went on to publish the "O'Reilly" books, and great tribute is in order for this most useful series. Best wishes, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 167 1972 Date: 14-Mar-03 Time: 22:47:14 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Gnome 1.4 Startup Program Problem
by Keith Watson 14 Mar '03

14 Mar '03

Any ideas on this one? My system is based on Debian Woody, I'm using Gnome 1.4 with Enlightenment 0.16.5 with Nautilus as my desktop manager (so I can drop icons on the desktop - works a treat! :o) ). I'm using 'chbg' to randomly change my desktop background and that works fine too Problem is I've set chbg as an application to startup with Gnome when I log in, trouble with that is that each time I log out and then back in another copy of chbg starts up. How do I prevent multiple copies of chbg starting up? Keith ____________ Courage does not always roar, sometimes, it is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying; 'Sod it! Let's go down the pub!!'

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UEA meeting (16th March)
by James Edward John Taylor 14 Mar '03

14 Mar '03

Hello ya'll. I havee been informed that there was a provisinal date for the UEA meeting of ALUG this weekend (Sunday 16th March). As opposed to the previous UEA meeting, this one will be ... semi organised!!!. I have booked a room in Union House for it, and will try to get there early enough to put up relevent penguin pictures pointing to room 1.33 which is the bigg room at the end of the corridor... the only problem with this room is that if we have more then sixty people turn up, then we will be forced to turn some away... Anyone else comming or will it be me on my tod? Is anyone bringing anything cool or semi-cool, or not cool at all but wants to make it cool? Anyone wanting to do a demonstration/presentation/speach at all? Anyways, tis all from me for now J

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Re: [Alug] Changing file owners
by Edenyard 14 Mar '03

14 Mar '03

Many thanks to everyone who sent me help on fixing my file ownership problems. Chown -R worked perfectly. Another one for the notebook! Thanks again, Gerald.

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Changing file owners
by Edenyard 13 Mar '03

13 Mar '03

Dear All, I'd be grateful for some guidance on this. As a Linux novice, I set up my system and used it with gay abandon as root (I know, I know...), gathering all sorts of useful data on the disk. Now I know better (!), I have different user accounts, but the problem is that I have entire directories with subdirectories under them and files in all those, all of which belong to root/root. WHen I want to move them as an ordinary user, of course I'm denied access. My question is: is there a command that I can issue (as root, presumably) that will go through an entire directory (including all the subs and files in each), changing the ownership of everything to what I specify (e.g., root/users or gerald/users, perhaps)? Any clues most welcome! Gerald.

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wvstreams
by BenEBoy 12 Mar '03

12 Mar '03

Could anyone help please? I'm trying to compile wvstreams under linux 2.4.20 & gcc 3.2 (on my LFS system) but it keeps moaning about assigning a char** to a const char ** in wvcrypto.cc. I've tried patching it to sort out the problems it has with gcc 3.2 but it still doesn't work. Could someone shine some light for me please? please? cheers, BenE

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re:alug modem driver
by tom potts 12 Mar '03

12 Mar '03

If you can get the source then you should be able to re-build it for you machine - failing that why not upgrade your kernel - it always works for me (when I playing around it does) Tom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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