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Gentoo kernel installation hangs while removing something under /var
by Dan Hatton 12 Jun '09

12 Jun '09

Dear All, Any idea what might be going on in the following, please? I'm installing Gentoo from the latest (20090606, IIRC) installation CD, on a new machine. I followed the handbook as far as attempting to install a kernel with emerge tuxonice-sources (I also tried the more standard emerge gentoo-sources, with the same symptoms). The emerge process (or rather, a process started by it) hangs just after applying patches to the kernel. top reveals that almost all the CPU is being taken up by an attempt to rm something under $(chroot)/var. the exact pathname of the "something" scrolled off-screen before I could catch it, but it looked like it was probably a directory full of patches. When I killed the rm process, emerge carried on nicely, and put a kernel source tree where I'd expect it, in $(chroot)/usr/src. That kernel configured OK, and at least started to compile OK before I had to leave it to go do my day job. So what's the problem, apart from that it's kind of inelegant for an install process to hang and need special measures by the user? If this sort of thing happens on other packages too, the stuff that should have been rm'd and hasn't will pretty quickly fill the small partition I've mounted as $(chroot)/var. Possible explanations welcome. -- Thanks, Dan

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Long UTF-8 message in Subject!!!
by Ted.Harding＠manchester.ac.uk 12 Jun '09

12 Jun '09

Greetings, Folks! This morning I received a message from the local Police via the Cambs "ECops" mailing list (which I subscribe to -- it's a sort of community bulletin board for local policing matters). The message itself was in effect empty -- just the statutory "footers" that appear in every such message. The subject-line (as displayed on my mailer) just said: =?UTF-8?B?RS1Db3BzIC0gVGl0bGUgLSBBY3Qgbm93IGFuZCBhdm9pZCBhICdjYX But then I opened up the full headers. Lo and behold, there was a massive Subject: therein! It would seem that the sender had typed the entire message into the subject-line! However, not only does it claim to be UTF-8, but is also somehow encoded. I can't make it out. So your puzzle for the weekend is to find out what it says! It's unsuitable (lines too long, and some already broken anyway) to paste into the body of this message, so I'm attacheing it as a plain-text file (but exactly as it came up on my screen) subject.txt Any takers? Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)manchester.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 12-Jun-09 Time: 09:57:13 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Re: [ALUG] AV manipulation
by Mark Rogers 11 Jun '09

11 Jun '09

nev young wrote: > I use Avidemux and find it will do just about anything. > Re-sync is a bit more complex than just <- and -> as you have to enter > a signed number for the millisec time shift. Does that make it a case of trial & error (shift the audio a bit, play the new video, shift the audio a bit more, etc)? > It's fairly fast, on my PC using the copy mode with a time shift will > do a 1hr divx file in about 40 seconds. To be honest I don't really care if it takes a couple of hours to do the actual conversion (although I'd expect something quick, like you suggest). It's the trial & error bit that's the bit I'm trying to make simple; the problem is I don't know how many millisec I need to shift the audio, I just know that it's wrong at the moment! -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0845 45 89 555 Registered in England (0456 0902) at 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG

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AV manipulation
by Mark Rogers 09 Jun '09

09 Jun '09

I have two AV tasks I need to perform, which are otherwise unrelated... 1. I have some video for which the sound is out of sync. The video files use an XviD codec (not sure what sound codec). I'm looking for a tool to allow me to correct them. Ideally I want something I can just use left/right arrow keys to jog the sound a small amount ahead or behind the video until it's correct, then hit save to create a new file. It all ought to be pretty quick (no recompression needed, just re-synchronising). Any suggestions? 2. I want to take some audio files and slow them down (quite a lot) without changing their pitch. I'm trying to learn to play the guitar and I can't play fast enough to play alongside anything yet unless I can slow it right down! My desktop is Ubuntu 9.04 if that's relevant. -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0845 45 89 555 Registered in England (0456 0902) at 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG

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Printing suddenly changed to monochrome only
by Barry Samuels 07 Jun '09

07 Jun '09

I have recently changed over to CUPS in my Debian system although I don't think that caused the problem. I have an HP Colour LaserJet 4500 which will happily print a test page from the printer menu which includes colour so no problem there. However in the CUPS setup the only options I get are 'Grayscale' or 'Inverted Grayscale'. The driver selected is 'HP Color LaserJet 4500 - CUPS+Gutenprint v5.2.3 (en)' and the printer will print only in monochrome. Any ideas? -- Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain

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Eee and root
by Anthony Anson 07 Jun '09

07 Jun '09

To install a program I presume I have to be root. I can't remember ever giving the Eee a root password, nor for that matter, ever being asked for one. I want to put a link to Thunderbird on the 'Internet' page, but I can't drag the icon (kicking and screaming, or not), nor can I copy and paste the icon. Unfortunately, I've filed the book of destructions 'somewhere safe'... HELLLLLP! -- Tony

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Globbed search for filenames in website
by Ted.Harding＠manchester.ac.uk 07 Jun '09

07 Jun '09

Greetings! I'm looking for a way to find out what files for a particular wild-card form exist at a certain directory depth on a website. For example: www.some.web.page/*/*.png for all PNG files 1 below the top level. The results to be listed (stored in a file) along the lines of what you would get from ls */*.png if you were at the top level on the server. A browser won't do it (won't accept wild-cards). I've looked at wget, but this doesn't seem to have a simple listing option (except under ftp mode, which the remote site won't respond to). Any suggestions? With thanks, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)manchester.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 07-Jun-09 Time: 08:41:32 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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fcron or anacron
by Peter Alcibiades 04 Jun '09

04 Jun '09

Have you ever used either of these? I want to use fcron to run a command every 20 or 30 hours of machine uptime, but cannot figure out exactly where to put the command or how to get it there. Peter

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Re: [ALUG] MySQL Joins
by Jim Rippon 03 Jun '09

03 Jun '09

Mark, >What I have so far is: >SELECT tbl1.email AS email1, tbl2.email AS email2 >SELECT IF(tbl1.email IS NOT NULL, tbl1.email, tbl2.email) as email >FROM tbl1 LEFT JOIN tbl2 USING (email) > >.. which will get me all the addresses from tbl1, with the matching >address from tbl2 in email2 or NULL if there is no match. > >What I want is to also get all the addresses in tbl2, with NULL against >email1 where there is no match. That is what I thought an OUTER join did >but it seems I'm wrong. An OUTER join can be a LEFT or RIGHT join like this: SELECT tbl1.email AS email1, tbl2.email AS email2 FROM tbl1 LEFT OUTER JOIN email2 USING (email); will show you all the records from the left table (in this case tbl1) and NULL for any records that didn't appear in the right table (tbl2). Perhaps what you want is a union query: SELECT DISTINCT email FROM tbl1 UNION SELECT DISTINCT email FROM tbl2 ORDER BY email; This should give you one result for each distinct entry between the two tables, if I understand it correctly. Worked for my (admittedly very small) test db. Hope this helps, Jim

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MySQL Joins
by Mark Rogers 03 Jun '09

03 Jun '09

I'm not even sure if this is possible, but I have two tables containing email addresses, some of which are common to both tables. Is there a way I can extract a merged set of addresses from both tables in one go? What I have so far is: SELECT tbl1.email AS email1, tbl2.email AS email2 SELECT IF(tbl1.email IS NOT NULL, tbl1.email, tbl2.email) as email FROM tbl1 LEFT JOIN tbl2 USING (email) .. which will get me all the addresses from tbl1, with the matching address from tbl2 in email2 or NULL if there is no match. What I want is to also get all the addresses in tbl2, with NULL against email1 where there is no match. That is what I thought an OUTER join did but it seems I'm wrong. (Once I have a set of results containing 2 fields, where every address in each table appears, I can easily merge the two fields using an IF.) -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0845 45 89 555 Registered in England (0456 0902) at 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG

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Re: [ALUG] main Digest, Vol 48, Issue 2
by Ben Bewick 03 Jun '09

03 Jun '09

> Hi ALUG, > > I have in my possession a number of github.com stickers [0] featuring > the github mascot the octocat [0]. If anyone would like one, I'll > bring them along to the pub meet next week or I can possibly mail them > if people aren't coming to the meeting and *really* want one ;) > > Cheers, > > Dave Hi Dave, Yes please, I will be at the ALUG. Thanks! Ben / Viperfang

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[ALUG Announce] 2nd Thurs Pub Meet 11th June 2009
by David Reynolds 02 Jun '09

02 Jun '09

ALUG Announce Please send announcements to Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce ----- Dear ALUG, The monthly second Thursday social meeting of ALUG will take place on 11th June 2009 at The Reindeer (10 Dereham Road, Norwich, NR2 4AY; tel. 01603 762223). It's very near the junction of Dereham Road and the Norwich inner ring road (Grapes Hill) and serves a selection of real ales, nice pub food (if you fancy going early to eat) and coffee. There are generally people there from 20:00 onwards and we tend to sit to the left of the main entrance. We look forward to seeing you there. Cheers, David -- David Reynolds david(a)reynoldsfamily.org.uk ----- Send discussion replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk (Reply-To set) Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce

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Github stickers / Swag
by David Reynolds 02 Jun '09

02 Jun '09

Hi ALUG, I have in my possession a number of github.com stickers [0] featuring the github mascot the octocat [0]. If anyone would like one, I'll bring them along to the pub meet next week or I can possibly mail them if people aren't coming to the meeting and *really* want one ;) Cheers, Dave 0 - http://david.reynoldsfamily.org.uk/blog/octocat.jpg 1 - http://github.com/mojombo/github-media/blob/510a0a44cf602c62cd1657894bc69b9… -- David Reynolds david(a)reynoldsfamily.org.uk

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Using curl (or similar) bypassing DNS
by Mark Rogers 01 Jun '09

01 Jun '09

Does anyone know how I can bypass DNS requests in a general way so that I can do, say: curl http://www.microsoft.com .. but bypassing the DNS lookup so that I can specify the IP I want the http request targetted at? In a simple case I can just add www.microsoft.com to my hosts file, but if I wanted to write (say) a bash or PHP script which did this then it would get messy using hosts that way. What I am looking to do is automate some checks which will run on an Apache server and ensure that all the virtual hosts on the server are working correctly. It is not possible to assume that all site shave the DNS pointed at the server (for example it may be a site which is being migrated to the server at some point in the near future). I may just write my own code to make http(s) requests directly using a socket library or something a bit higher level than that but below curl, but I'd prefer to use a standard tool if possible. -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0845 45 89 555 Registered in England (0456 0902) at 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG

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Reply-To header
by Richard Lewis 28 May '09

28 May '09

Hello ALUG, Usually when I'm sending messages to mailing lists, I set the Reply-To header to the mailing list address (as I've done with this message). How do people's mail clients respond to this? When you draft a reply, does it automatically make to To: main@lists...? Or does it make it CC? -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Richard Lewis ISMS, Computing Goldsmiths, University of London Tel: +44 (0)20 7078 5134 Skype: richardjlewis JID: ironchicken(a)jabber.earth.li http://www.richard-lewis.me.uk/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- +-------------------------------------------------------+ |Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.| |http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html | +-------------------------------------------------------+

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The PCWorld Experience
by Ted.Harding＠manchester.ac.uk 28 May '09

28 May '09

Long story, so apologies -- but the details matter. A few days ago I was checking my bank account online. I noticed a Direct Debit for £7.99 made that day. Puzzled, I checked the full transaction details: it was to PC World. I checked back earlier -- another one, a month earlier. Well, I had been to PC World in Cambridge a couple of months earlier. Objective: pick up a cheapish laptop to play with some Linux distros, then do a proper installation. I noticed a quite nice Hewlett Packard T2390 on special offer at £329.97 (not too keen on the keyboard, but it's OK. The rest seems fine). While I was looking around, one of the shop-floor assistants latched on to me assiduously. I tried asking him something about printers, (built-in PostScript with auto-duplex capability) but he didn't know much. While I was at it I picked up an ethernet switch and a laptop carrier bag. Total bill £387.20 (added up in my head). He then offered to help me carry the stuff (cardboard box with the laptop in, switch box, bag) to the checkout, which I didn't really need but since he offered ... He then stood beside me at the checkout while I paid. Total payment £387.20 (as added up in my head). I got the receipt, along with what looked like some publicity leaflets, and went out to my car. I didn't get an offer of help for that bit. I didn't check the details on the receipt at the time -- I felt that things had basically taken their expected course. After checking my bank account, however, I did check the receipt in detail. At the top: HEWLETPACK A961EM T2390 £329.97 and beneath that, in very small print: Discount Manager Offer - Manager Discretion -£7.99 then: PC PERFORMANCE £7.99 followed by the items for the network switch and the bag. So I had been signed up for their "PC Performance" cover, including the first instalment of £7.99, without noticing (it had not changed the total price). And I have no recollection of being asked at any time if I wanted this. If I had been, I would have said no -- because the first thing I intended to do was to wipe off Windows and put on Linux, which would probably have voided any warranty. (In any case, I never take up these "product cover & support" things). I then phoned "PC Performance" (a PC World sideline), and was told that they would cancel the cover, and cease the D/D, but I could not get a refund because more than 2 weeks had passed. If I wanted to get the money back, I should contact my Bank to initiate an "Indemnity Claim". So I phoned my Bank, and described the situation. "Oh, it looks as though they've been a bit cheeky", she said. We discussed Indemnity Claim, and it seemd a long shot (there had been two of them at the till, one the cashier, the other the shop-floor assistant), so I dropped the idea. But she said she would immediately close the D/D. She rang back a few minutes later, to say that since the D/D had been cancelled on the same day a debit had been made, the debit of £7.99 for that day would be refunded. So that left me overall £7.99 out of pocket (break-even on the first one, due to "Manager's Discretion"). Not worth trying to take further, though I felt annoyed enough to want to! Well, that's my PC World experience! Moral: look closely at the receipt! (Though by the time I could have done that, it would all have been set up already -- but at least I would have been within the 2-week period for getting any money back). (And I didn't get the impression that it was the first time the Bank lady had heard such a story ... ). Best wishes to all, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)manchester.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 27-May-09 Time: 17:43:46 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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webcam and firewall java applet problem
by Jenny Hopkins 24 May '09

24 May '09

Hi, I'm trying to enable access to an internal webcam externally, through a firewall. For complex reasons I won't go into unless necessary, the firewall forwards to a server running xinetd, which then port forwards to the camera. The firewall has ports 8090 and 40001 opened, the manual stating these are the two required. The xinetd conf forwards 8090 to the camera port 80, and 40001 to the camera port 40001, the former rule called 'camera' and the latter 'camera_image'. Now - using debian and firefox browser, i.e. the java applet option, I can see the webpage but the image is blank white. (The same setup could see the image fine on the internal network.) Error message on page: "Loading java applet failed". Only the 'camera' rule is invoked in the firewall log. Windows IE users select the ActiveX button and can see the image fine, and I note that now in the firewall log the 'camera_image' rule is now being invoked as well as 'camera'. The java applet does not try and use port 40001 for some reason, but I can't see any rejected requests for other ports. Can anyone shed any light on this? I hope I've explained it well enough. Thanks, Jenny

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Re: [ALUG] Keyboard not working in KDE4
by barrie jones 19 May '09

19 May '09

On Tue May 19 23:26:48 BST 2009 Steve Fosdick wrote: > >On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 21:13 +0100, Srdjan Todorovic wrote: > > > >Seems a bit odd that your keyboard uses /dev/gpmdata if it does not exist. > >Almost sounds like a messed up X11 config... >Isn't /dev/gpmdata a _mouse_ repeater device. Why would this be in use for the keyboard whether or not it exists? Yes, gpmdata is a mouse device! I've been going round in circles on this problem and missed it. The SaX utility in openSUSE generated the xorg.conf and put in 2 device lines - /dev/gpmdata and /dev/input/mice and with my brain only half in gear I was looking at the first as keyboard since the second is mouse. I'm sure the keyboard isn't using it as there's no sign of it in /dev, and I've tried a very minimal xorg.conf with no specific devices or options so that the xserver configures on the fly, all with the same result. It just seems that whatever goes in xorg.conf makes no difference, which is why I wonder if it's a kde4 conflict. Barrie _________________________________________________________________ View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place – Learn more! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/137984870/direct/01/

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Keyboard not working in KDE4
by barrie jones 19 May '09

19 May '09

I installed openSUSE 11.1 with KDE4. The initial login was normal and I then set up my detailed video options from within KDE. After restarting the xserver everything was fine and I shut down the computer normally. However when I now log in to KDE the keyboard doesn't work at all. It seems to be a KDE4 issue because if I log out using the mouse (which is absolutely fine) the keyboard still works on the logon screen so kdm isn't a problem, and if I drop to a tty logon all is completely normal as well. I'm using a usb keyboard so I tried a ps2 keyboard which gives identical results. As the keyboard worked in KDE4 on the initial installation login I copied the original xorg.conf back, but that also results in a completely non-functioning keyboard. I've tried removing all detail from the input sections in xorg.conf, removing the keyboard and mouse devices (keyboard is listed as /dev/gpmdata which doesn't seem to exist), and putting in an option in the keyboard section to stop evdev. None made any difference - all fine on a tty and kdm logon screen, and keyboard completely unresponsive in KDE4 with the mouse normal. If I log on to icewm instead of KDE4 the keyboard is fine. When in KDE4 the keyboard is being recognised, using an event character device in /dev/input, with the keyboard name/type correctly listed and linked to it in /dev/input/by-id My mobo is an ASUS G43/ICH10 with an Intel core2duo 7400 cpu and 4GB memory. I'm using the onboard Intel GMA4500 graphics with the intel driver. I could remove KDE4 and install KDE 3.5 (which works perfectly with Debian Lenny on this machine), but taking a look at KDE4 was a major part of the reason for installing openSUSE so I'd like to sort this if I can. Barrie _________________________________________________________________ Beyond Hotmail — see what else you can do with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665375/direct/01/

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Open Source Action Plan in Government
by mick 19 May '09

19 May '09

I have worked in central government my entire career (some 35+ years). I even once worked for the organisation quoted below. I confess to being completely baffled how a new agreement with Microsoft meets the Government's committment to Open Source. See http://online.ogcbuyingsolutions.gov.uk/aboutus/pressreleases/MicrosoftnewP… In particular the quote attributed to Angela Eagle: "It [the new agreement] also reinforces the Government's commitment to its Open Source Action Plan by setting up a facility to reuse and share licences across the public sector." Mick --------------------------------------------------------------------- The text file for RFC 854 contains exactly 854 lines. Do you think there is any cosmic significance in this? Douglas E Comer - Internetworking with TCP/IP Volume 1 http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc854.txt ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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[ALUG Announce] 3rd Monday Monthly Ipswich Social Meeting : McGintys, Northgate Street
by samwise 18 May '09

18 May '09

ALUG Announce Please send announcements to Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce ----- The monthly "Third Monday" ALUG Ipswich Social Meeting is back tonight (Monday 18th May) at 20:00: P J McGinty & Sons 15 Northgate Street Ipswich Suffolk IP1 3BY Tel: 01473 251 515 Map/Directions URI: http://maps.google.co.uk/?q=IP1+3BY WWW: http://pjmcginty.moonfruit.com/ McGintys pub is in the centre of Ipswich, not far from our old haunt - The Milestone. It's directly opposite the town's central library and has a reputation for good Irish beer. All are welcome, novices and experienced users. Feel free to ask for further information on the Main ALUG mailing list. Topics up for discussion tonight include a showing off of the latest Android handset running Cupcake (Android 1.5), a rant about why Google Contacts has no field to store birthdays, and the question of whether the iPod run it's course ... plus anything else we want to yak about. Remember to call or email me, if you're arriving later and want to ensure I don't wander off, which I have a tendency to do if the turn-out hits rock-bottom ... Hope to see you there, Peter. ----- Send discussion replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk (Reply-To set) Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce

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Feasability of unvirtualising guest OS for speed and profit?
by Srdjan Todorovic 11 May '09

11 May '09

Hi everyone, I've got a VMware image of a Linux distro used for development tasks. I use VMPlayer to boot this distro and then I work in it. This distro is virtualised as the guest and host libc/toolchain/etc are of different versions (and also incompatible). But it's a pain to keep all the windows confined to the VMPlayer window. So, I was thinking of: - copying out the files from the vmplayer distro image to a specific directory on the host filesystem - chrooting to this directory - maybe setting up LD_LIBRARY_PATH or something similar (though if I'm chrooting, I doubt this step will be needed) so as to: - take advantage of SMP when running make - split out windows from 'pseudo-guest' distro across two screens - not have to faff about with vmplayer and the slight performance penalty - not have to worry about removable devices and vmware's handling of them. At some point, I will try this out. But has anyone ever tried this, and did you run into any particular problems? Anything nasty/tricky to be careful of? I don't specifically need the guest OSs kernel to be booting, which is why this is possibly a nice plan. Thank you Srdjan

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Netbook question(s)
by Chris G 07 May '09

07 May '09

I'm thinking of getting a cheap netbook to take on a (motorbike) holiday next month. It'll be Linux based of course and my requirements are pretty simple. All the basic, cheap netbooks will fulfil my basic requirements I think - i.e. they have a browser, can connect to the internet by WiFi, etc. However I have a couple of specific things which aren't always addresses in the advertising blurb:- How easy is it to add software? I really have to have ssh as that is how I access my E-Mail and that's one of the major reasons for getting the netbook. Are the "as supplied" Linux distributions sort of cast in stone or can one add things? I don't want to have to do a complete installation of a new distribution just to get ssh. Do any of the netbooks have a trackball rather than a pad? I really don't know why trackballs aren't more popular, I use one on my desktop and we now have a wireless keyboard with a trackball and it's magic, no separate mouse to lose/drop and the trackball is much nicer than a pad. -- Chris Green

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"Hacked to Pieces"
by Ted.Harding＠manchester.ac.uk 06 May '09

06 May '09

Hi again, folks. This is a sort fo follow-up to the Syleham gathering, since as I started to drive home after the meeting a programme "Hacked to Pieces" had just started on Radio 4. It is about computer crime, and how vulnerable most people are because of naivety about security. The programme can be found at 17:00 on http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/programmes/schedules/fm for today Sunday 3 May (in case you're reading this later). If you click on the link "N days left to listen" you can hear it. The bit that raised my eyebrows starts at 5min 30sec into the programme, where the presenter (Jolyon Jenkins) takes his laptop to be hacked into by Peter Wood of First Base Technologies (who provide a "hack your computer, guv?" service to companies who want to check their security). It lasts to 7min 40sec into the programme. In particular, I transcribed the following short extract: JJ: I was genuinely suprised by, in fact, how vulnerable I turned out to be. PW: The first thing I'll do is an easy check to see whether I can get a nice little automated tool to cough up your password straight away so I can log on as you. JJ: I'm fairly confident you're not going the get my password, because it's not a natural language word. PW: This isn't dependent on any dictionary-based word, it's just trying every permutation of letters and numbers up to 14 characters long. JJ: Ah, I'm feeling less confident because ... PW: Ah! There's your password JJ: Oh! PW: That took two hundred and ninety seconds of computational time. Well, my jaw would drop if I believed it! Even if the password is case-insensitive, that's 36 letters+numbers to try every "permutation" of. There are 36^14 different 14-character strings where each character can independently be any letter or number. And that's just the full 14-character string -- there's also all the shorter strings as well. Now, 36^14 is about 10^22, or 10^13 billion, or 10,000 billion billion. A 1-GHz CPU would take 10,000 billion seconds to execute that number of CPU cycles, or about 300,000 years. So there's no way the guy's password hacker is going to do what he said it would do. It's not too plausible when it comes to searching for shorter passwords either. An 8-character password (case-insensitive) still potentially requires 36^8 or about 3*10^12 tries; so (based on the previous calculation) that's 3,000 seconds or 0.83hr to execute 3*10^12 CPU cycles. Then you have to multiply that by the number of CPU cycles needed to work through each try, which is presumably not a small number. And it's worse if passwords are case-insensitive, since then there are 46^8 approx = 2*10^13, or 20,000 billion tries for an 8-character password, and it's 5.6 hours to execute that number of CPU cycles on a 1 GHz CPU. So the "outcome" of that little experiment strikes me a implausible, and I susepct that it was "rigged" in order to sex up the story. (Maybe JJ used a shortish password -- 46^6 is only 9.5 billion). This sort of thing is supposed to take place in the context of people (e.g. attending meetings/conferences) leaving their laptops unattended for say half an hour, thus allowing the hacker physical access. (And, by the way, it seems they're thinking of Windows machines). I'd be interested to hear if any of you folks have comments on the above! Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)manchester.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 03-May-09 Time: 22:41:30 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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ALUG 10.0 kit meet Sunday 3rd
by John Woodard 04 May '09

04 May '09

Directions to the venue have been posted if you do have difficulty finding Syleham Village Hall, those who have been before can confirm it can be a little difficult to find, I will have my mobile turned on so you can call to be guided in. The signal for my network is flaky inside the hall but I will pop outside from time to time at the beginning to check for voice mail or text and will call you back. 07908 222428 Looking forward to seeing old friends and some new faces. Cheers, BJ

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Mountain Rescue
by Ted.Harding＠manchester.ac.uk 04 May '09

04 May '09

The majority of us fenny amphibians don't normally have to worry about such things, but people who venture out on the Cambridgeshire Alps do have to worry. These are a chain of mountains running North from Huntingdon/St Ives out to Warboys and thereabouts. The Pidley Mountain Rescue Team seems to have changed its website: http://www.pidleymountainrescue.org.uk/ I can no longer view what they've been up to, since I'm now told that "additionaql plugins are required to display all the media on this page". When I click to install the missing plugins, it announces "Java Runtime Environment", but when I try to comtinue it says "No plugins were installed. Java Runtime Environment Not Available." Then taking the option for "Manual Install" I get shown a choice of RPM (jre-6u13-linux-i586-rpm.bin) or self-extracting binary file (jre-6u13-linux-i586.bin). I'm running Debian Etch with Iceweasel browswer. I've looked into what synaptic comes up with when I search on "java" or "runtime" or "java runtime". Up comes a lot of stuff, of which one is Java runtime environment using GIJ java-gcj-compat is a collection of wrapper scripts, symlinks and jar files. It is meant to provide a Java-RTE-like interface to the GIJ/GCJ tool set. (and it says version 1.0.65-10, whereas the java runtime offered by the "Manual install" is "version 6, update 13"). I'm hesitating, because I don't want to do the wrong thing here, nor mess things up by installing incomplete or incompatible things. I'd be grateful for advice about installing java runtime in a proper way in my setup. Maybe I'm suffering the effects of altitude sickness, after the trek over the passes between here & Syleham yesterday! Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)manchester.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 04-May-09 Time: 13:28:52 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Syleham photos
by Ted.Harding＠manchester.ac.uk 03 May '09

03 May '09

Greetings all! A very agreeable gathering at Syleham today, and it was good to meet up with people again. Thanks to BJ for making the arrangements, and for assiduous bar duties. (There's a sign on one of the doors which says "Push Bar to Open" and I thought of trying that, but BJ got there first). I took a couple of photos at the end. Not everyone is well portrayed (unless a couple of folks are keen on the backs of their heads), maybe not everyone still present was included (and certainly a nice pair of tiny persons got omitted), but I think they capture the atmosphere. They can be viewed at http://www.zen89632.zen.co.uk/ALUG/ This is just a directory, and contains sylehamALUG_2009.05.03A.jpg sylehamALUG_2009.05.03B.jpg which can be viewed directly by the usual right-click procedure, or downloaded (1.8MB each). Till next time! Ted. PS (taking up on a topic of conversation at the time) in case anyone hasn't come across it yet: Help-Desk sagas go back much longer than most people think. Have a look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQHX-SjgQvQ -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)manchester.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 03-May-09 Time: 20:25:36 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Announce: ALUG 10.0
by John Woodard 02 May '09

02 May '09

It's our 10th birthday! On Sunday 2nd May 1999 we got together for the first time at a hotel in Woodbridge. To celebrate on Sunday 3rd May ALUG holds it 10th birthday bash at the Mid Suffolk Venue, Syleham and Wingfield Village Hall IP21 4LT http://www.alug.org.uk/wiki/moin.cgi/Meetings?highlight=(suffolk)#Syleham You are all welcome and the bar will of course be open for beer and soft drinks. If you are a member of the ALUG Facebook group you can let us know if you are coming http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=73983173855 especially if you are one of the firestarters who were there at the start. Kit is welcome if you need some advice on fixing something or require a demo of anything Linux, post to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk for requests. If you are coming and are driving please post to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk so those without transport can attend, the same goes for requests for a lift. If there is anyone out there in ALUG land who is competent to make a birthday cake.... Any questions post to the list and if you get lost traveling to the venue (this is not unusual) phone BJ 07908222428 and I'll try and talk you in. Cheers, BJ

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Re: [ALUG] [ALUG Announce] Announce: ALUG 10.0
by Kevin Ridgeon 02 May '09

02 May '09

Will be attending the meet on Sunday grandchild/dog emergencies permitting. Driving from Thetford and will have one seat available. Entertainment will probably be catching up on Linux Outlaws on my Zune.

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[ALUG Announce] ALUG 10.0
by Wayne Stallwood 02 May '09

02 May '09

ALUG Announce Please send announcements to Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce ----- Just a little reminder that this Sunday (3rd of May) is our ALUG 10th anniversary meet. 2PM-6PM at Syleham and Wingfield Village Hall IP21 4LT http://www.alug.org.uk/wiki/moin.cgi/Meetings?highlight=(suffolk)#Syleham The Bar will be open and there is a strong rumour circulating about some cake. Kit is welcome, either broken kit or something you want to show off. If anybody wants help with something specific then I'd suggest posting to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk with a request for help. All being well there should also be a "period" Red Hat 6.0 machine to play with. If you are coming and are driving please post to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk so those without transport can attend, the same goes for requests for a lift. So far the facebook event page is a little quiet 4 confirmed and 6 "maybes" but we have also had word on IRC about some other confirmed guests so it should be a good afternoon. Hope to see you there Regards Wayne ----- Send discussion replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk (Reply-To set) Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce

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Syleham Lift
by Ted.Hardinge＠manchester.ac.uk 02 May '09

02 May '09

Final call! As I indicated before, I shall be driving to Syleham from near Littleport (NE Cambs), and my route would be either: A: Feltwell, Brandon, Thetford or: B: Mildenhall, Thetford and then: Garboldisham, Diss, Scole, Syleham which can be bent a bit if needs be. So if anyone roughly along either of these would like to be picked up, please drop me a line during today. In any case, looking forward to seeing you all tomorrow! Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Hardinge(a)manchester.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 02-May-09 Time: 10:17:29 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Sunday Kit Meet
by Bellphegore 02 May '09

02 May '09

I want to know if a) Anybody can offer a lift to me. b) If anybody needs a life from me. As I'm unwilling burn the carbon driving down there alone and would prefer to share a ride, either in somebody else's car or in mine. Bellphegore bellphegore(a)nerdshack.com montmorency(a)ukfsn.org

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Novatech
by Peter Alcibiades 01 May '09

01 May '09

Any experiences? They are one of the few places with a pretty complete range with no OS bundled in, and the prices seem reasonable and the specs more than adequate. Buying for someone else, so I'd like to get it right. Peter

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System Recovery
by Steve Fosdick 01 May '09

01 May '09

I recently had a request from a friend to get his Windows PC working because it gets stuck at some point in the boot process. Assuming he wants to keep his data and the manufacturer have not had the foresight to create OS and data partitions it seems to me there are these options for this kind of task: 1. Obtain windows specific recovery tools to try to fix the boot problem without destroying the data. 2. Copy the data from the hard disk to somewhere else, re-install and then put the data back. For the second option again I can see two possibilities: 1. Take out the hard disk, mount it in a machine that works and copy the files onto the working machine's hard disk. 2. Boot a Live CD on the broken machine and copy the files over the network to a working machine. Of the above two I have done number one, moving the hard disk, before and it is usually pretty straightforward but in this case the broken machine is a laptop so I don't know what luck I'd have trying to mount the hard disk in a desktop machine. So, I'm contemplating the second option and I'd like to know, please, if anyone has any favourites or recommendations of live CDs that are good for this purpose or any other ideas or suggestions. Steve.

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Syleham Location Info
by Steve Fosdick 01 May '09

01 May '09

Does anyone have either house number or the co-ordinates (either national grid or long/lat) of the village hall at Syleham, please? Steve.

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Redhat 6.0 discs
by Adam Bower 01 May '09

01 May '09

Hi all, As part of the wanting to get a machine up and running with redhat 6.0 on it for Alug 10.0 I've come across a small problem... that being nowhere i can find on the Interwebbytubez seems to have a .iso of it. Can anybody help at all? Looking in the back of the bits cupboard etc. would be much appreciated if someone can find a (working) copy! I also find it a bit scary to see how much of this what I assume people think of as "boring legacy crap" is no longer available for download. I wonder if in the future it will be interesting for computing archaeology students? Thanks Adam -- jabberid = quinophex(a)jabber.earth.li

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Syleham lift
by Wayne Stallwood 29 Apr '09

29 Apr '09

I am travelling from Bury St Edmunds to the Syleham meet and intend to be there for the full duration. If you need a lift and are on route..or can be collected from somewhere that doesn't require a major deviation, then I currently have 3 spare seats (four if you all get on really well and don't bring too much kit) Send me a mail off list if you need picking up and I will see what I can do.

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Samsung phones and Linux
by Mark Rogers 29 Apr '09

29 Apr '09

I'm considering upgrading my mobile. Having been with Nokia for most of my mobile life, I'm getting frustrated with their phones firmware (great when you first use them, but like Windows they just get slower and slower with use; it now takes me several seconds to open the Messaging application on my N82). And I've never had any real joy connecting the Nokia to my Linux box. I'm considering Samsung phones (in particular the Pixon) but have never used Samsung before. Can anyone give me any advice as to how well I'll be able to connect my phone to my Linux box? Googling for "Linux Samsung Pixon" got me nowhere (nothing relevant, not even people trying, never mind succeeding or failing!) -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0845 45 89 555 Registered in England (0456 0902) at 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG

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OT: Are there any Bluetooth gurus here - bluetooth question
by Chris G 27 Apr '09

27 Apr '09

Are there any bluetooth gurus here? First:- Can anyone tell me where I might find a bluetooth FAQ of any sort which might tell me something useful about how bluetooth devices interconnect (or don't)? The 'official' http://www.bluetooth.com site is pretty useless - or at least I can't get any useful information out of it. Second:- Is there such a thing as a bluetooth 'pseudo phone' that will connect by bluetooth to a device (such as a headset) that is expecting a bluetooth phone to connect to it? I wan't to send and receive audio to/from a bluetooth headset but the headset will only pair with a bluetooth phone. The second question is the reason for the first really, I was trying to find out the answer for myself but without much luck. I *think* I have got as far as understanding that there are different types of bluetooth device and there are defined protocols for them to talk to each other but I can't find out what types there are and what will talk to what. -- Chris Green

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Ubuntu & Xubuntu Questions.
by Simon Royal 27 Apr '09

27 Apr '09

Hi I am a Mac user with an interest in Linux. I have a PowerBook G4 867Mhz with 1GB of RAM, so am looking at the PowerPC ports of Ubuntu. I spoke to a couple of people that said the latest version - 9.04 - doesn't run too well on machines under 1Ghz, so was looking at Xubuntu which is better suited for older machines. It says it will run on G3 with 128MB of RAM comfortably - making it probably pretty quick on a machine with mid range G4 with 1GB. Has anyone used Xubuntu? Does it differ much to Ubuntu apart from using the XFE desktop environment? Does the latest 9.04 support Broadcom based Airport Extreme cards - I have a Buffalo card which OSX picks up as an AE card. Secondly, I'd like some booting advice. I am triple booting OS9, OSX Tiger and OSX Leopard at the moment and was looking to maybe quad boot - so I would need to resize some of the partitions. Or I might just install it where the Tiger partition is. Does the Xubuntu installer cater for multi booting with OSX? Is there an option to select which OS is the default to boot into. I had Ubuntu 6 and Tiger on a PowerBook G3 before and could never get Yaboot to select OSX by default. Any help would be grateful. Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)

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JOB: Permanent Statistical Programmer | LOCATION: London, England, UK
by jt＠camalyn.org 25 Apr '09

25 Apr '09

JOB: Permanent Stats Programmer LOCATION: London, England, UK Hi List, I'm working with a business in London that are looking to hire a permanent programmer with experience of working on developing either mathematical or numerical programs. You need to have experience of both scripting (R would be very applicable!) and also compiled languages. Experience of using MySQL or similar would be preferential too. Please email me using james(a)camalyn.org if you have any questions or if you would like to discuss this opportunity further. Thanks, JAMES >> to learn more about Camalyn please visit http://www.camalyn.org

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a wiki page for netbooks that are available in the uk
by Albert Vilella 21 Apr '09

21 Apr '09

Hi all, Does anybody know if there is a page somewhere with updated models and prices for all netbooks available in the UK? If not, where would people expect this page to be? Wikipedia? Albert.

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Re: [ALUG] Redhat 6.0 discs
by Bev Nicolson 21 Apr '09

21 Apr '09

<<If anyone starts up an archive, I've also got Mandrake 7.0 :) Tony>> And I've got SUSE 8.2. Not /that/ old but still. Bev. -- _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com Powered by Outblaze

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[ALUG Announce] 3rd Monday Monthly Ipswich Social Meeting : McGintys, Northgate Street
by samwise 20 Apr '09

20 Apr '09

ALUG Announce Please send announcements to Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce ----- The monthly "Third Monday" ALUG Ipswich Social Meeting is back tonight (Monday 20th April) at 20:00: P J McGinty & Sons 15 Northgate Street Ipswich Suffolk IP1 3BY Tel: 01473 251 515 Map/Directions URI: http://maps.google.co.uk/?q=IP1+3BY WWW: http://pjmcginty.moonfruit.com/ McGintys pub is in the centre of Ipswich, not far from our old haunt - The Milestone. It's directly opposite the town's central library and has a reputation for good Irish beer. All are welcome, novices and experienced users. Feel free to ask for further information on the Main ALUG mailing list. Topics up for discussion tonight include web application performance tuning, just how many versions of Elite were there, why is Richard Madeley so insufferably smug and was the Red Dwarf ressurection really as bad as the press reaction would have us believe ... plus anything else anyone wants to bring along. My #2 is away this week, so it'd be nice it we had somebody there from 20:00 other than me. Remember to call or email me, if you want to ensure I don't wander off, which I have a tendency to do ... Hope to see you there, Peter. ----- Send discussion replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk (Reply-To set) Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce

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Hosting/ssh/news server recommendations wanted
by Chris G 17 Apr '09

17 Apr '09

I currently have all my web hosting (very little), mail and usenet news from Gradwell Dot Com, in general I'm happy with the service but they do seem to be becoming a specialist VOIP supplier with the web hosting playing second fiddle so I'm looking for alternatives so that I can spread the risk a bit and/or be ready to move if I feel the need. I realise it's quite a spread of services I'm after so maybe there aren't any other 'Gradwells' out there that can provide it all in which case I may go for separate suppliers. I suppose that at least minimises the chaos if something goes wrong. What I'm after is:- A good, fast, no binaries, NNTP server. Preferably associated with an ssh shell hosting service so that I can run a command line news reader with near instant response from the NNTP server. When I moved to Gradwell it was a revelation how fast their service was compared with anything that accessed the NNTP server across the internet. Mail forwarding under my control in some shape or form. Currently most of our (family and small business) mail is read usign the IMAP servers at Gradwell except for mine which I forward to the machine where I have the ssh account and read it with mutt there. Hosting with ssh access. I'm wondering if a virtual server might make sense, they're available for a tenner a month (or less?) now. Does anyone here have experience of virtual servers? Any recommendations (or otherwise) for good hosting would be welcome, one major criterion is fast interactive ssh access as I do all of news and mail handling via ssh to 'their' server. Oh, one final "nice to have" requirement - while Googling around yesterday I saw one hosting site offering ssh access *plus* a web to ssh interface so you could get to the command line from anywhere with a browser. I.e. you wouldn't have to install putty onto a friend's machine to read your mail. -- Chris Green

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AAO Sleep Button with 2.6.29
by Richard Lewis 16 Apr '09

16 Apr '09

Hi ALUG, My kernel on my Acer Aspire One got upgraded to 2.6.29 recently and since then my sleep button (Fn+F4) somehow does a suspend to disk when pressed. This is quite clever but also quite annoying as I have a carefully crafted Fluxbox configuration which does various useful jobs like logging me out of my Jabber client and then doing suspend to RAM when I press Fn+F4. Does anyone have any ideas how I may be able to regain control of my sleep button? I tried looking through /etc/acpi and /use/share/acpi-support but there doesn't seem to be anything in there to do with the sleep button. Best, Richard -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Richard Lewis ISMS, Computing Goldsmiths, University of London Tel: +44 (0)20 7078 5134 Skype: richardjlewis JID: ironchicken(a)jabber.earth.li http://www.richard-lewis.me.uk/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- +-------------------------------------------------------+ |Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.| |http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html | +-------------------------------------------------------+

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XFedora?
by Chris Walker 16 Apr '09

16 Apr '09

Has anybody had a play with XFedora on an Xbox? I was given an Xbox, note that this is not a 360, and decided that I might be able to use it to play things DviX files which might be stored on this PC or on my wife's laptop. So I removed the original 10GB(?) drive and put in a 40GB drive which XFedora has used. I had also tried various other distros such as XDSL and Gentoox but they only seemed to install in an F: partition which I didn't want. I have also installed a modchip so that it can now boot without needing a modded game cheat. My query is this. XFedora appears to be running version 4 of Fedora so does anybody know if it would be possible, and worthwhile, to update it? Before everybody jumps in and says that it's easy to update, I should point out that I don't currently have a mouse on the box as I only have one USB adapter and that's taken up with a keyboard. I have ordered another adapter but that's winging it's way over from China now. If I 'startx' the system comes up fine (I'm not yet clear on how I will want to play any files on the system but if my wife wants to do this, I don't think she'd be keen on running things from a command line and hence the possible need for X-Windows) but due to the lack of a mouse, I can't click on the Update icon on the taskbar. I can connect it online and Firebird will reach the outside world but if I try to run 'yum grouplist', it can't find any repositories. I suspect that's because it's an old version. Am I right in that thought? So if somebody could point out how I can manipulate X-Windows without a mouse, that would be good too. P.S. If the moderator is reading this, apologies for sending it through first time from the wrong email address!

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Re: [ALUG] iPlayer
by Bev Nicolson 16 Apr '09

16 Apr '09

Following on from my last, I can report that not only have I installed version 10 but it does indeed work as it should now. :¬) Thanks Wayne. Bev. > > It says 9.0 r124. Bev. > > You'll probably find the problems will go away if you upgrade to flash > 10, distro specific instructions should be a google search away, if your > current flash was installed via a distro release package then I would > recommend you un-install that first. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > http://www.alug.org.uk/ > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! > -- _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [ALUG] iPlayer
by Bev Nicolson 14 Apr '09

14 Apr '09

<<if your current flash was installed via a distro release package then I would recommend you un-install that first.>> I've done things the wrong way round then as I had a look for version 10 earlier. So, how do I uninstall version 9 (which is the one I actually have with this distro package whatever it says) before upgrading? I have looked in Synaptic but the only version that comes up is 10 now. Thanks. Bev. -- _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [ALUG] iPlayer
by Bev Nicolson 14 Apr '09

14 Apr '09

> Sounds a lot like the problem that was present in older versions of > Flash on linux...what version of Shockwave flash does about:plugins say > when you type it into the address bar of Firefox ? It says 9.0 r124. Bev. -- _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com Powered by Outblaze

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iPlayer
by Bev Nicolson 13 Apr '09

13 Apr '09

Following on from Ted a question of my own. Every time I watch something using iPlayer (in Firefox) the sound is fine but the video is just that little bit behind. Trying to watch Dr Who a day or so ago the video also stuttered more than usual. Why is this and can I do anything about it? Having hunted around on various forums I'm beginning to supect the answer is 'well, no actually.' Thanks. Bev. -- _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com Powered by Outblaze

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A Convert
by Kevin Ridgeon 13 Apr '09

13 Apr '09

Hi All I'm Kev an ancient wannabee geek who used to work in electronics and then IT doing application support and a little bit of development of software/web development. Had to leave the tech side and in fact stopped work for a while to look after my wife who suffered with a long time kidney problem before passing away in January this year. In the past when my brain worked I was MCSE qualified but feel better now. Had a passing interest in linux since the early Red Hat distro's but not had time to do anything serious. Since the advent of Gutsy have had a linux box around and now use a Hardy as my main box. As I theoretically have more time on my hands I will be trying to learn Linux seriously but am currently at the stage where a little knowledge is dangerous, so expect the normal really stupid noob questions/comments for a while. I am in the process of kick starting the tech/geek side of my brain by running a Hardy server as a dev box while I teach myself new IT skills such as linux administration, programming (java, python etc.), and web design (xhtml, css, php). The eventual goal will be to actually make fortune so I can give it away. Currently based in Thetford. Kev

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"get_iplayer" puzzle
by Ted.Harding＠manchester.ac.uk 13 Apr '09

13 Apr '09

Hi Folks, Hoping you've been enjoying the Statutory Idleness! A query for any of you who use get_iplayer. I wanted to download the programme "Thinking Allowed" from Radio 4, first broadcast 08/04/2009, last broadcast last night at 00:15-00:45 (i.e. this morning), which is when I first heard it. It is the one about a Leeds art exhibition in which classic artists depict the social order (I found it very interesting, and recommend it to you even if you don't want anything to do with this query). The following refers to my latest attempt, this morning, to download the programme. It is similar to what happened last night -- a few incidental details differ. 1. I did the usual get_iplayer search, with a standard result: get_iplayer --type radio "Thinking Allowed" Matches: 12855: Thinking Allowed - 08/04/2009, 'BBC Radio 4', Factual, Science, Nature & Environment,Radio INFO: 1 Matching Programmes 2. I did a standard download request, using its index 12855: get_iplayer --get 12855 INFO: Additionally getting cached programme data for radio Matches: 12855: radio, Thinking Allowed - 08/04/2009, 'BBC Radio 4', Factual,Science, Nature & Environment,Radio INFO: 1 Matching Programmes INFO: Attempting to Download: Thinking Allowed - 08/04/2009 INFO: Getting version pids for programme b00jj0f6 INFO: Getting media stream metadata for Thinking Allowed - 08/04/2009, b00jj025 INFO: iPhone stream URL: http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/3/auth/stream/ httpdl_iphone/direct/radio4/ secure_auth/RBN2_radio_4_fm_-_wednesday_1600_b00jj025_\ 2009_04_09_14_31_37.mp3 INFO: Checking existence of default version INFO: File name prefix = Thinking_Allowed_-_08_04_2009_b00jj0f6_default WARNING: Retrying download for 'Thinking Allowed - 08/04/2009' INFO: Attempting to Download: Thinking Allowed - 08/04/2009 INFO: Getting version pids for programme b00jj0f6 ERROR: Required mplayer does not exist, skipping which was unexpected -- usually such a command simply downloads the MP3 without more ado, and doesn't witter on about mplayer not existing! 3. As a test of get_iplayer, I tried another of yesterday's programmes. First, find its index: get_iplayer --type radio "The Reunion" Matches: 12793: The Reunion - 12/04/2009, 'BBC Radio 4', Factual,Entertainment,Life Stories,Radio INFO: 1 Matching Programmes 4. Do the download (exactly the same syntax as before): get_iplayer --get 12793 INFO: Additionally getting cached programme data for radio Matches: 12793: radio, The Reunion - 12/04/2009, 'BBC Radio 4', Factual,Entertainment,Life Stories,Radio INFO: 1 Matching Programmes INFO: Attempting to Download: The Reunion - 12/04/2009 INFO: Getting version pids for programme b00jlxjp INFO: Getting media stream metadata for The Reunion - 12/04/2009, b00jlwpw INFO: iPhone stream URL: http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/3/auth/stream/ httpdl_iphone/direct/radio4/ secure_auth/RBN2_radio_4_fm_-_s unday_\ 1115_b00jlwpw_2009_04_12_11_20_37.mp3 INFO: Checking existence of default version INFO: File name prefix = The_Reunion_-_12_04_2009_b00jlxjp_default and then it happily started to download. Stopped it, since I don't want to keep that programme. The above info is essentially the same as for "Thinking Allowed" until the former gets to the "WARNING" line. 5. Went back to "Thinking Allowed" and proceeded as before. Same result as before. So, QUERY: Can anyone explain why one programme ("The Reunion") downloads without problems. while the other (by all appearances on the same sort of footing) fails to donwload? Is there possibly some hidden "flag", planted by the BBC for some programmes, which allows them to be listened to (which one can do for "Thinking Allowed") but not downloaded, that get_iplayer picks up but does not tell you about? Or is there a bug in the version (1.03) of get_iplayer I'm using? With thanks, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)manchester.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 13-Apr-09 Time: 10:38:16 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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telnet/ftp "connection refused"
by Ted.Harding＠manchester.ac.uk 10 Apr '09

10 Apr '09

Hi Folks, I've been meaning to raise this for some time, since I've never got to the bottom of what's causing it. Basically, I want *all* the machines on my local LAN to be able to telnet and ftp to each other. Between the older machines (Suse 5.2, Suse 7,2 and red Hat 9) there is no problem. But I've had a Debian Etch running now for about 18 months, and recently a Debian Lenny (provisional installation), and both of these deny attempts to telnet or ftp into them from the others ("connection refused"). However, I can of course telnet and ftp from either of these to any of the older machines. I have put ALL: ALL in the /etc/hosts.allow file (like in the older machines), but this does not seem to make any difference. I get the impression that access control has changed in some fundamental way, but I can't put my finger on it! Any suggestions gratefully welcomed! Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)manchester.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 09-Apr-09 Time: 22:15:47 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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For your delectation...
by Anthony Anson 09 Apr '09

09 Apr '09

http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20090405 -- Tony http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

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apache question
by Chris G 09 Apr '09

09 Apr '09

A much simpler question than I originally envisaged (the more complicated one may follow). What apache2 directive allows URLs to omit the trailing .html? Half of my pages work without the html and the other half don't and for the life of me I can't find a directive anywhere that would affect this. E.g. I can refer to either:- http://home.isbd.net/sidebar.html http://home.isbd.net/sidebar and they both work but if I go to:- http://home.isbd.net/manual/en/mod/core.html http://home.isbd.net/manual/en/mod/core The first one works but the second one (without the .html) gives a page not found error. -- Chris Green

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Re: [ALUG] backport of trac won't allow upgrade to lenny version
by Jenny Hopkins 09 Apr '09

09 Apr '09

2009/4/9 Brett Parker <iDunno(a)sommitrealweird.co.uk>: > On 08 Apr 23:00, Jenny Hopkins wrote: >> Hullo there, >> >> Does anyone use trac on debian? >> >> I've just upgraded a server from etch to lenny. It had a backport >> version of trac 0.11.1-2~bpo40+1. >> >> The lenny version is 0.11.1-2 >> >> However, the backports package refuses to uninstall to make way for >> the new version. Installation errors show: >> >> Preparing to replace trac 0.11.1-2~bpo40+1 (using >> .../trac_0.11.1-2.1_all.deb) ... >> Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 1891, in <module> >> main() >> File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 1885, in main >> rv = action.run(global_options) >> File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 1403, in run >> pkg = DebPackage('package', self.args[0], oldstyle=False) >> File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 303, in __init__ >> self.read_pyfiles() >> File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 424, in read_pyfiles >> 'shared files found in old (%s) and new locations (%s)' % >> (old_shared_base, shared_base2) >> __main__.PyCentralError: shared files found in old >> (/usr/share/pycentral/trac/site-packages/) and new locations >> (/usr/share/pyshared/) >> dpkg: warning - old pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 >> >> >> I tried moving /usr/share/pycentral/trac to one side but the same error occurs. >> >> Google is not my friend :-( >> >> Can anyone advise? I'm not much good with pythony things. > > apt-get remove trac > apt-get install trac > > Done, because the lenny version is "newer" than the bpo version: > > brettp@miranda:~$ if ( dpkg --compare-versions 0.11.1-2~bpo40+1 lt 0.11.1-2 ); then echo yes; fi > yes > brettp@miranda:~$ if ( dpkg --compare-versions 0.11.1-2 gt 0.11.1-2~bpo40+1 ); then echo yes; fi > yes > brettp@miranda:~$ > > So, a simple removal and then install should be all it takes. > The problem is that it *won't* remove, - it gives the same errors: Removing trac ... Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 1891, in <module> main() File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 1885, in main rv = action.run(global_options) File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 1403, in run pkg = DebPackage('package', self.args[0], oldstyle=False) File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 303, in __init__ self.read_pyfiles() File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 424, in read_pyfiles 'shared files found in old (%s) and new locations (%s)' % (old_shared_base, shared_base2) __main__.PyCentralError: shared files found in old (/usr/share/pycentral/trac/site-packages/) and new locations (/usr/share/pyshared/) dpkg: error processing trac (--remove): subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 1891, in <module> main() File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 1885, in main rv = action.run(global_options) File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 1242, in run pkg = DebPackage('package', self.args[0], oldstyle=False) File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 303, in __init__ self.read_pyfiles() File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 424, in read_pyfiles 'shared files found in old (%s) and new locations (%s)' % (old_shared_base, shared_base2) __main__.PyCentralError: shared files found in old (/usr/share/pycentral/trac/site-packages/) and new locations (/usr/share/pyshared/) dpkg: error while cleaning up: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 Errors were encountered while processing: trac E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) Thanks, Jenny

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[OT?] Bank Holidays
by Mark Rogers 08 Apr '09

08 Apr '09

Does anyone have any ideas how (from a script) I can determine whether a date is a (UK) bank holiday? Something I can use from PHP preferred but I'm flexible. Since the dates aren't consistent I assume I'm going to need somewhere to look the information up, but I'm not sure where, but it seems like this ought to be a fairly "standard" need. (For my application I need to allow website customers to select a delivery date, which needs to exclude bank holidays.) I'm hoping there's a standard method. -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0845 45 89 555 Registered in England (0456 0902) at 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG

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backport of trac won't allow upgrade to lenny version
by Jenny Hopkins 08 Apr '09

08 Apr '09

Hullo there, Does anyone use trac on debian? I've just upgraded a server from etch to lenny. It had a backport version of trac 0.11.1-2~bpo40+1. The lenny version is 0.11.1-2 However, the backports package refuses to uninstall to make way for the new version. Installation errors show: Preparing to replace trac 0.11.1-2~bpo40+1 (using .../trac_0.11.1-2.1_all.deb) ... Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 1891, in <module> main() File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 1885, in main rv = action.run(global_options) File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 1403, in run pkg = DebPackage('package', self.args[0], oldstyle=False) File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 303, in __init__ self.read_pyfiles() File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 424, in read_pyfiles 'shared files found in old (%s) and new locations (%s)' % (old_shared_base, shared_base2) __main__.PyCentralError: shared files found in old (/usr/share/pycentral/trac/site-packages/) and new locations (/usr/share/pyshared/) dpkg: warning - old pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 I tried moving /usr/share/pycentral/trac to one side but the same error occurs. Google is not my friend :-( Can anyone advise? I'm not much good with pythony things. Many thanks, Jenny

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Ubuntu server report
by James Freer 08 Apr '09

08 Apr '09

http://blog.canonical.com/?p=110 Thought some may be interested in this report. Seems ubuntu is doing very well. How many use it in this group? james

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Anyone know the URL...?
by Anthony Anson 07 Apr '09

07 Apr '09

I want to download the "patch" from the Vodafone site so I can run a PAYG mobile internet dongle on my Eee, running on that 'orrid Fisher Price Linux, FTTB. There is a patch somewhere on the Vodafone website for this purpose, but despite using all the keywords I can think of to search it, the download has been frustratingly fugitive. (Unless, of course, that particular page was 'down' for some reason... Anyone any ideas? Pretty please? -- Tony http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

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[ALUG Announce] 2nd Thurs Pub Meet 9 April 2009
by David Reynolds 07 Apr '09

07 Apr '09

ALUG Announce Please send announcements to Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce ----- Dear ALUG, The monthly second Thursday social meeting of ALUG will take place on 9 April 2009 at The Reindeer (10 Dereham Road, Norwich, NR2 4AY; tel. 01603 762223). It's very near the junction of Dereham Road and the Norwich inner ring road (Grapes Hill) and serves a selection of real ales, nice pub food (if you fancy going early to eat) and coffee. There are generally people there from 20:00 onwards and we tend to sit to the left of the main entrance. We look forward to seeing you there. Cheers, David -- David Reynolds david(a)reynoldsfamily.org.uk ----- Send discussion replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk (Reply-To set) Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce

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Acer Aspire One with Linpus
by mick 06 Apr '09

06 Apr '09

Has come down in price again. Now under £160 at Dabs http://www.dabs.com/ProductView.aspx?Quicklinx=5DJT&InMerch=1 That's £30 less than I paid only a few weeks ago. They also have the same beast with half a Gig of RAM for under £140. Astounding. Mick --------------------------------------------------------------------- The text file for RFC 854 contains exactly 854 lines. Do you think there is any cosmic significance in this? Douglas E Comer - Internetworking with TCP/IP Volume 1 http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc854.txt ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [ALUG] xsession errors
by Peter Alcibiades 30 Mar '09

30 Mar '09

Richard, this is what it says: peter 20910 0.0 0.0 5160 776 pts/0 R+ 12:21 0:00 grep beagle What does it mean? I'm not aware of having installed Beagle, but maybe it went in as part of the Gnome install? Peter

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File permissions for FTP and Apache
by Mark Rogers 30 Mar '09

30 Mar '09

I have a server running PureFTP and Apache. If I create an FTP user, it gets a directory under /home/ftpusers owned by ftpuser.ftpgroup I need to create an FTP user that can upload images that the webserver will use (simple: I symlink the directory into the relevant path in DocumentRoot), however I also need Apache to be able to write to the files (images will be uploaded by the website admin backend as well as via FTP). How do I achieve this? I can add Apache (www-data) to ftpgroup, which should solve this but would also give Apache write access to all files uploaded by any FTP user, which I don't want to do. I can make the files world-writeable, which I don't like in principle, but also is going to cause problems as images get uploaded by FTP or Apache (eg new images are not going to inherit the world-write permissions without some changes to the FTP configuration and the web application). This must be a standard problem with a standard solution? -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0845 45 89 555 Registered in England (0456 0902) at 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG

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ubuntu - display configuration
by James Freer 29 Mar '09

29 Mar '09

ubuntu 7.04 to 8.04 all had in the menu "Screens & Graphics GUI for setting up. Or via terminal displayconfig-gtk. Useful if you want to use two monitors or have an electronic whiteboard. Just been trying out 8.10 wondering how much has been changed from 8.04 and couldn't find displayconfig-gtk. I thought they might have put it in 'configuration editor' but haven't. Has it been replaced with another app - doesn't seem likely to have left it out expecting you to change xorg instead? thanks james

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xsession errors
by Peter Alcibiades 29 Mar '09

29 Mar '09

Still getting them. For example: Could not read Pidgin buddy list file: Could not find file "/home/peter/.purple/blist.xml". Cannot index Thunderbird contacts because a System.ArgumentNullException was thrown: Argument cannot be null. And yet, I don't have either Pidgin or Thunderbird installed. Any idea what's going on? Lenny, up to date. Peter

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32/64-bit? Intel T2390
by Ted.Harding＠manchester.ac.uk 28 Mar '09

28 Mar '09

Hi Folks, Once upon a time I didn't need to ask this kind of question ... I'm about to install Linux (probably Debian) on a laptop which has an Intel Core Duo T2390 CPU. So I'm wondering whether it I should use i386 or ia64. I *think* (but am not sure) that this chip has 64-bit capability (though that may need to be enabled somehow). Presumably i386 would work anyway, but it would be nice to enjoy the benefits of 64-bit architecture if available! Since this is my first time facing this question, I'm totally naive about the installation implications, and would welcome informed advice and/or comments! With thanks, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)manchester.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 27-Mar-09 Time: 14:51:24 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Evolution woes
by Wayne Stallwood 27 Mar '09

27 Mar '09

Is anyone else here masochist enough to use evolution ? With the standard build on Ubuntu 8.10 (2.24.3) I am getting some strange problems. It seems to get triggered by either closing down my workstation while evolution is running or launching a second instance via x forwarding Either way when this happens it seems to corrupt folders.db resulting in the the following issues When I restart everything I have sent from the last time it was started is back in the outbox and gets resent (you have probably seen this on the list) The unread count for some folders doesn't tally with the number of unread messages in the folder, for example at the moment it says I have 80 unread items in "Deleted items" but if I hide read items in that folder I see I have none unread. If I follow the advice I found online of deleting folders.db and launching evolution in offline mode the db is rebuilt and the problems seem to go away for a bit. But one restart with it accidentally left running or as I think I did the other day where I had it running once locally and once in a forwarded session it reappears. To make matters worse when I delete folders.db I lose message flags which I actually sometimes use. Has anyone else experienced/fixed this ?

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I can see spoofs coming soon on this one
by Albert Vilella 27 Mar '09

27 Mar '09

http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-US&playlist=videoByUuids:uuids:0bb6a07c-c829-4…

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spampd not adding headers
by Richard Lewis 26 Mar '09

26 Mar '09

Hi ALUG, I have spampd running on my laptop $ ps auxw|grep spam [...] /usr/bin/perl -T /usr/sbin/spampd --L --tagall --port=10025 --host=127.0.0.1 --relayport=10026 --relayhost=127.0.0.1 --pid=/var/run/spampd.pid --children=3 --user=spampd --group=spampd --logsock=unix and I pass all my messages to it from procmail using: :0fw: spammassassin.lock | /usr/bin/spamc However, none of my messages (spam or ham) have any spamassassin headers in them. If I direct a message into spamassassin proper (i.e. not spamc) it adds the headers as expected. If I do the same into spamc I get no headers. I found somthing about the -A option to spamd to tell it to allow certain IP addresses to use the spamassassin server (e.g. 127.0.0.1). However, this is an option to spamd, not spampd. Any ideas why it's not working? -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Richard Lewis ISMS, Computing Goldsmiths, University of London Tel: +44 (0)20 7078 5134 Skype: richardjlewis JID: ironchicken(a)jabber.earth.li http://www.richard-lewis.me.uk/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- +-------------------------------------------------------+ |Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.| |http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html | +-------------------------------------------------------+

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WTD: Recommendations for External Tape Drive to backup SUSE server
by samwise 26 Mar '09

26 Mar '09

Hi, As per subject, really. Someone has asked me for any recommendations I can find for external tape drives which could be used to backup the contents of a SUSE Linux Enterprise Server or an openSUSE server. I imagine it just requires something which has usable Linux drivers but as I've never had to do anything in this area, I thought I'd throw it out there and see whether anyone else has ... and could recommend a brand or model. Thanks, Peter.

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Welcome Me... And Wireless Question
by Simon Royal 25 Mar '09

25 Mar '09

Hi I am an experience computer user, who about 8 years ago switched from Windows to Mac and have been a dedicated Mac user ever since - but I have always had an interest in Linux. I have tried a number of distros over the years - Fedora Core, Ubuntu, DSL, DSL-N, Puppy Linux, Vector Linux, Corel Linux - with Ubuntu and DSL being the two I have stuck with the longest. I have an Apple PowerBook at the moment as my main machine, but am now picking up my interest in Linux again, so shall be purchasing an old laptop to develop my knowledge a bit more. Well that is me, I have been a member of ALUG once before, when I was trying out Ubuntu a couple of years ago. I just thought I would introduce myself and will listen in to all your questions. Once I get my second laptop I'm sure I shall be posting questions of my own. Actually, here is my first question. I am probably going to be running DSL or Ubuntu on the laptop - if it all goes well I may well consider quad booting on my PowerBook. I already have Mac OS 9, OSX Tiger and OSX Leopard on it. I would probably run Ubuntu on it. My first question is - which wireless PCMCIA cards work well out-of-the-box, without any driver downloading or ndiswrapper configuring. I have a Buffalo G54 card at the mo which is Broadcom based and Ubuntu isn't too happy with it. Simon --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)

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How can a user empty their own mail spool safely?
by Chris G 24 Mar '09

24 Mar '09

I'd like to be able to do the following as user cg:- mv /var/mail/cg ~/backup/mail Now I know I can't actually do this because /var/mail is owned by mail and cg doesn't have write permission there. Is there any way that I can set things up so that 'cg' can do it or is there an alternative that produces the same result? I could do something like:- cp /var/mail/cg ~/backup/mail cp emptyFile /var/mail/cg This would have the same effect *except* that it's not atomic so if mail arrives between the cp commands it would get lost. What I'm trying to do is have a crude backup of my incoming mail, I forward all my incoming mail to 'cg' as well as to myself and want to run a cron job to do the above 'move' once a week so that all my mail for the last seven days is in /var/mail/cg and mail for the previous seven days is in /home/cg/backup/mail. I could run the cron job as root I suppose, that would do what I want, but I'm just looking for neater/safer ways of doing it. -- Chris Green

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Hello
by nev young 23 Mar '09

23 Mar '09

Hello, I'm de-lurking to ask what I hope is an easy question. Is there an easy way to tell programatically if the printer connected to the parallel port as /dev/lp0 is physically powered on or not. Thanks Nev

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Playing Roland or Midi files from old game
by Srdjan Todorovic 23 Mar '09

23 Mar '09

Hi everyone, I just installed dosbox and was playing TFX, and remembered how cool the music was from the game. There are some files with .adl, .rld and .scc extensions, but seems xine, mplayer, timidity++ or playmidi won't open the files. These don't seem to be proper MIDI files (header is wrong). Google searches don't really show up anything really useful. I'm guessing the files are Roland sound files, or maybe AdLib, but not sure. Thttp://adplug.sourceforge.net/he game's from 1993, so it would be using technology and file formats from that period. ADL file starts with: 52 41 00 02 (hex) RLD file starts with: 52 41 00 02 (hex) And so does the .SCC file. The main DID.DAT file probably contains more music, if only I can find it (seems to be a whole bunch of game data multiplexed into one file). Each file has instrument names such as "Slow Strings" near the top - http://www.ski.org/Rehab/DBGilden/JWilliams/appxC.html may be relevant. I had a look at: http://adplug.sourceforge.net/ which seemed to find the file format to be ok (but it might be matching only on filename), and then it promptly segfaulted... (ADL file seems to be a Westwood ADL file format) Adplay won't open the .scc nor the .rld files. Any ideas what Linux app can play this? Cheers Srdjan

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Colour Laserjet Printe?
by Ted.Harding＠manchester.ac.uk 20 Mar '09

20 Mar '09

Hi Folks, Some of you seem to know your way well around the hardware jungle, so I'm asking for views on the following. I'd like a reasonably priced colour LaserJet, which performs well and reliably (but would not be getting a heavy load, say some dozens of pages per week), which has builtin PostScript (i.e. will print if it is sent raw PostScript) and which has duplex capability. I'm not fussy about whether the duplex would be under software control (provided that can be done from Linux) or set by hand from a control panel on the printer. Indeed, I think I'd prefer the latter. I've seen an HP CM 1312 MFP at a reasonable price. but online reviews are not all enthusiastic. Also, the best I can find out about the duplex is that it is "manual" -- I can't find out whether that means "manual setting on control panel" or whether it means that you have to manually reverse and turn over the sheets of paper, after printing the odd page numbers, in order to print the evens! (Since that is precisely what I do right now, it would not be an advance). Thanks, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)manchester.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 20-Mar-09 Time: 18:16:42 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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VirtualBox (XP host, Debian client) & shared clipboard
by Ted.Harding＠manchester.ac.uk 19 Mar '09

19 Mar '09

Hi folks (and apologies to any who may be affected by cross-posting). I have VirtualBox installed on a Windows XP machine, and Debian Etch installed as a guest. The Linux Guest Additions have been installed, and generally seem to be doing their job. However, the Shared Clipboard facility apparently does nothing. It is enabled as "Bidirectional" in the virtual machine. If, for instance, I highlight some text in an XP window, and select "copy selection", and then go to a Linux text window in X and middle-click (the usual "paste" manoeuvre) then nothing happens. In the reverse direction, if I highlight text in the X window (the usual "put into clipboard" manoeuvre), and then go to an XP window and "Paste", again nothing happens. If I first highlight text in the Linux X window, then go to the XP window and "copy selection", then when I go back to Linux the Linux text is still there (can be pasted with "right click"), so it has not been changed by the XP operation. I've read some indiciations on the web that this feature has caused such problems, but have not seen a solution. It could also be that I'm not doing the right manoeuvres for copying into the clipboard and pasting out of it, in this context. If anyone has useful comments, I'd bevery grateful to receive them! VirtualBox 1.5.0 (2007-08-31). Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)manchester.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 18-Mar-09 Time: 22:54:56 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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ImageMagick convert
by Mark Rogers 19 Mar '09

19 Mar '09

Any experts in using ImageMagick lurking? I need to resize an image to fit into a 350x350 box. Which means I need to (a) scale the image so no dimension exceeds 350, then (b) centre the image in a 350x350 canvas. Eg for a 700x600 image, (a) creates a 350x300 image which (b) then converts to 350x350 without distorting it (by adding "whitespace". Ideally I want some control over what the canvas colour ("whitespace") will be, in particular transparent would be a good option, but white will do for now. The first bit is easy: convert -resize 350x350 old.png new.png I've tried various ways to do step (b) without success. (A single command which does both would be best, but two separate commands would be a start!) -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0845 45 89 555 Registered in England (0456 0902) at 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG

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Acer Aspire One Wireless
by Richard Lewis 19 Mar '09

19 Mar '09

Hello ALUG, How's anyone else's experience with wireless on their Acer Aspire One? I'm running Debian unstable on mine and wireless is quite dodgey. It's the stock 2.6.26 kernel from unstable along with the madwifi drivers (0.9.4) installed via m-a. Initially, if I do $ sudo iwlist scanning it says: wifi0 Interface doesn't support scanning. ath0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down it's only after I've done: $ sudo ifup ath0 that it'll actually search for networks. This doesn't seem right. This aside, once I've added a suitable configuration to my /etc/network/interfaces it's very reluctant to connect to it. Normally when I do $ sudo ifup ath0 the little wifi LED doesn't flash, it waits for 20 seconds or so while it does DHCPDISCOVER a few times and then gives up. After this iwlist returns no results: wifi0 Interface doesn't support scanning. ath0 No scan results Then occasionally it connects. The LED flashes as normal, it connects almost immediately and reconnects without problems after suspend to RAM or shutdowns. Usually I go all day Saturday without it working and then it starts working on Sunday. (During the week I use ordinary ethernet.) But this weekend the wifi elves seem to have forgotten to visit my computer. I wondered whether being on AC power vs. battery may make a difference but it doesn't seem to. (Thankfully. It'd pretty useless if it needed to be plugged in to connect to a wifi network.) I also tried installing the 2.6.28 kernel from sidux which has the ath5k drivers in it but that doesn't seem to make any difference either. Is anyone else finding their's bad? Or is it just me? Best, Richard -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Richard Lewis ISMS, Computing Goldsmiths, University of London Tel: +44 (0)20 7078 5134 Skype: richardjlewis JID: ironchicken(a)jabber.earth.li http://www.richard-lewis.me.uk/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- +-------------------------------------------------------+ |Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.| |http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html | +-------------------------------------------------------+

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[ALUG Announce] 3rd Monday Monthly Ipswich Social Meeting : McGintys, Northgate Street
by samwise 16 Mar '09

16 Mar '09

ALUG Announce Please send announcements to Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce ----- The monthly "Third Monday" ALUG Ipswich Social Meeting is back tonight (Monday 16th March) at 20:00: P J McGinty & Sons 15 Northgate Street Ipswich Suffolk IP1 3BY Tel: 01473 251 515 Map/Directions URI: http://maps.google.co.uk/?q=IP1+3BY WWW: http://pjmcginty.moonfruit.com/ McGintys pub is in the centre of Ipswich, not far from our old haunt - The Milestone. It's directly opposite the town's central library and has a reputation for good Irish beer. All are welcome, novices and experienced users. Feel free to ask for further information on the Main ALUG mailing list. Tonight reportedly sees the return of a long-time member, and we might end up chatting about VoIP again, and my experiences replacing Office Communicator with open source software. Hope to see you there, Peter. ----- Send discussion replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk (Reply-To set) Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce

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Postfix confusion
by Wayne Stallwood 15 Mar '09

15 Mar '09

It doesn't usually give me much trouble but at the moment I am having a bit of strangeness with my media server which uses postfix to send out various alerts etc. My main.cf is below and /etc/mailname is digimatic.co.uk It all seems to work well except it is ignoring .forward files in the user home folders, i.e I have a user 'francis' who has his own email address in the .forward but if I mail 'francis' it gets routed to francis(a)digimatic.co.uk rather than the address in his forward file. Similarly I tried a .forward in my own home dir of info(a)digimatic.co.uk but the mail to me still goes to my username wstallwood(a)digimatic.co.uk myorigin = /etc/mailname smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Ubuntu) biff = no append_dot_mydomain = no #delay_warning_time = 4h # TLS parameters smtpd_tls_cert_file=/etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem smtpd_tls_key_file=/etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key smtpd_use_tls=yes smtpd_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${queue_directory}/smtpd_scache smtp_tls_session_cache_database = btree:${queue_directory}/smtp_scache smtp_sasl_auth_enable = yes smtp_sasl_password_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/sasl_passwd smtp_sasl_security_options = myhostname = localhost.localdomain alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases mydestination = localhost.localdomain, localhost relayhost = mail.digimatic.co.uk mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 mailbox_size_limit = 0 recipient_delimiter = + inet_interfaces = all message_size_limit = 10240000

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Printing with lpr
by Richard Lewis 14 Mar '09

14 Mar '09

Hello ALUG, I have a PDF I want to print on two sides per sheet. Often I just use the print dialog from evince for this, but evince is refusing to open this one properly. So I'm trying to use lpr. According to the Web lpr takes a -o switch which allows me to send options to my printer, including duplexing options. However, my man lpr suggests otherwise. No -o switch is documented and, indeed, lpr just shows the usage instructions if I try running it with a -o switch set. e.g. $ lpr -P ISMS -o Duplex=DuplexNoTumble Tymoczko08.pdf usage: lpr [-cdfghlmnpqrstv] [-#num] [-1234 font] [-C class] [-i [numcols]] [-J job] [-Pprinter] [-T title] [-U user] [-wnum] [name ...] $ lpr -P ISMS -O Duplex=DuplexNoTumble Tymoczko08.pdf $ lpr -PISMS -oDuplex=DuplexNoTumble Tymoczko08.pdf $ lpr -PISMS -ODuplex=DuplexNoTumble Tymoczko08.pdf $ lpr -P ISMS -o 'sides=two-sided-long-edge' Tymoczko08.pdf $ lpr -P ISMS -O 'sides=two-sided-long-edge' Tymoczko08.pdf So why does everyone on the Web have a -o switch for their lpr and I don't? Mine is version 1:2008.05.17 from Debian unstable. Any suggestions? -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Richard Lewis ISMS, Computing Goldsmiths, University of London Tel: +44 (0)20 7078 5134 Skype: richardjlewis JID: ironchicken(a)jabber.earth.li http://www.richard-lewis.me.uk/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- +-------------------------------------------------------+ |Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.| |http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html | +-------------------------------------------------------+

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How to refer to 'all my files', including hidden ones?
by Chris G 13 Mar '09

13 Mar '09

I often have this problem! :-) How can one refer to all one's own files and directories easily? E.g. I am sitting at /home/chris and, for whatever reason, I want to apply a command to all the files, including hidden files. A command like this for example (where I have moved some files in which belong to someone else), I become root and do:- chown -R chris * Well, that's OK but it doesn't include hidden files, so:- chown -R chris .* That's no good either because it tries to run the command on .. as well as . and the hidden files. There are things like:- chown -R chris .[a-zA-Z][a-zA-Z]* but it feels like there should be an easier way. I know there's better syntax than [a-zA-Z][a-zA-Z]* (using + I think), but it's still hardly elegant. -- Chris Green

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How to truncate a mailbox periodically?
by Chris G 13 Mar '09

13 Mar '09

Can anyone suggest a neat/easy way to keep only (say) the last seven days of messages in an incoming mail spool? I have a couple of mail spools where I want to be able to do this, possibly with different 'number of days' expiry. -- Chris Green

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Free Laptops !
by Wayne Stallwood 10 Mar '09

10 Mar '09

Aha..now I have your attention Just a reminder that nobody has stepped up to become the ALUG librarian yet and the book collection is kinda really starting to get in my way now. This (for the right person) could be the stepping stone to many great things, so I am sure there is someone out there who really really wants to take this on.. Come on now..don't be shy..make yourself known and all the fame and fortune of being the only current ALUG librarian will be yours. On a mostly related note, part of the library is a collection of Linux user magazines from circa 2004/2005. Any objections to me chucking them out ? Anybody out there who actually wants them or has a good reason for us keeping them in the library speak now.

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Names sorting in Linux, is it just me that wants surname first?
by Chris G 10 Mar '09

10 Mar '09

Does anyone else here find that Linux applications' idea of how names should be presented in address lists etc. seems to be wrong, or at least not ideal? Having decided that I don't want to live with Evolution's quirks I took a look at Thunderbird, a well sorted mainstream application if there was one surely. But it *too* decides that the "Screen Name" for entries in the address list is presented as first name followed by surname. Thus, more importantly than the presentation, the names are *sorted* by first name which is decidedly not the way I expect to look names up in an address list. Am I missing some obvious configuration option that sorts names in surname order? This has happened in several different Linux apps when synchronizing data from my PDA whereas when I synchronized with Outlook (spit) I got exactly what I expected, names sorted by surname. It's this sort of thing that puts people of Linux a bit. -- Chris Green

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Bbattery charging "mystery"
by Ted.Harding＠manchester.ac.uk 10 Mar '09

10 Mar '09

Hi Folks, Yesterday I observed something which surprised me (running Debian Etch in VirtualBox in Win XP on an Advent 8117 laptop). WHen I sat down at the desk, I noticed the battery-charging LED flashing. When I check the battery level monitor (in both Debian and XP) it was at 20% and charging. An hour later it was fully charged. I generally leave the laptop running continuously, days on end, and its power supply is permanently connected to the mains. It's possible that something disturbed to connection for a while (perhaps most likely where the mains cable connects to the PS brick), and that something later re-established it (I do tend to swim in a pile of clutter so stuff gets pushed around), but the event prompted me to wonder the following. Might it be that, if a laptop (at any rate for some models) is kept continuously connected to the mains for days on end, then for the sake of battery health a re-charge cycle is initiated, whereby the input from the mains-connected PS brick is internally disconnected for a while, until battery-level drops to a fairly low level, and is then re-connected? It is, of course, known that it's good for battery life to submit it to a discharge/recharge cycle every so often; but I've not heard of this being built-in to laptops' power monitoring. (But then there's a lot of stuff I haven't heard of). Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)manchester.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 22-Feb-09 Time: 09:44:56 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Optimising MySQL and/or Apache for speed
by Mark Rogers 10 Mar '09

10 Mar '09

I have a server which was originally a low spec virtual machine with 128MB RAM, but which is now running on 4-times that RAM (shortly to be doubled again) and a faster "CPU". Available bandwidth has also been doubled. With the increase I'm disappointed not to be seeing much difference in the performance of websites on the server. Many of them are heavily database dependent with lots of queries, so the real fix is to optimise the code itself, but in the short term the CPU and memory hike needs to be showing some kind of benefit. The behaviour of the server is to work fine then suddenly run like a dog for a while, then come back up. How do I go about finding what the bottleneck is? ("top" showed both before the upgrade and since that no swap is being used and CPU usage is never particularly high, with Apache sometimes hitting ~20% but mostly not showing. In case I have some kind of virus/trojan/etc lurking, advice as to what to look for there also appreciated. -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0845 45 89 555 Registered in England (0456 0902) at 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG

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SuSE help!
by Yvonne Everett 09 Mar '09

09 Mar '09

Hi I've just had delivered an HP 2133 with SuSE installed. I have broadband connection at home which is setup with an ADSL router so I normally just have to plug in and the connection to the internet is direct. From the console session I can see the router, I can see that I have an IP address and I can even ping google.co.uk, bbc.co.uk etc. However, I cannot use Firefox, eventually I get the timeout message. Also I cannot get online updates (I've tried apt-get update from the command line) and I cant even seem to find the icon where I register for updates. Can anyone help me please as I'm new to SuSE (I have used Ubuntu previously). Thanks -- Yvonne Everett Email: ye103910(a)googlemail.com

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Library Books
by Keith Watson 09 Mar '09

09 Mar '09

I seem to have acquired a stack of linux related books, some of which I know are from the ALUG library (any any that aren't I'm happy to donate). Who should I return them to? and how? Keith

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[ALUG Announce] 2nd Thurs Pub Meet 8th March 2009
by Ben Bewick 08 Mar '09

08 Mar '09

ALUG Announce Please send announcements to Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce ----- Dear ALUG, The monthly second Thursday social meeting of ALUG will take place on 8th March 2009 at The Reindeer (10 Dereham Road, Norwich, NR2 4AY; tel. 01603 762223). It's very near the junction of Dereham Road and the Norwich inner ring road (Grapes Hill) and serves a selection of real ales, nice pub food (if you fancy going early to eat) and coffee. There are generally people there from 20:00 onwards and we tend to sit to the left of the main entrance. We look forward to seeing you there. Cheers, Ben aka Viperfang ----- Send discussion replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk (Reply-To set) Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce

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OpenOffice and "yrt.doc"
by Ted.Harding＠manchester.ac.uk 08 Mar '09

08 Mar '09

Hi Folks, Dunno if it's just my installation, or if it's a general thing. Whenever I open a ".doc" in OpenOffice oowriter, or even just start up oowriter without nominating a document, the first thing that comes up is a panel which says: Openoffice.org Document Recovery Recovering document: [ blank ] Status of recovered documents: Document Name Status yrt.doc Not recovered yet [Start Recovery] [Cancel] Then, if I click on [Start Recovery], this changes to Status of recovered documents: Document Name Status yrt.doc X Recovery failed [Finish] Then, when I click on [Finish], it proceeds to open the document as if there had been no problem. It doesn't seem to happen, however, with oocalc (the spreadsheet). There does not seem to be a file "yrt.doc" anywhere on my system. Perhaps it was looking for some basic system/template file which it did not find, hence the messages. But I'd like to know what's going on, if anyone knows! With thanks, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)manchester.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 08-Mar-09 Time: 01:10:59 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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similar to mac mini but cheaper?
by Albert Vilella 07 Mar '09

07 Mar '09

Hi, Does anybody know if there are alternatives to the Mac Mini but cheaper and with Linux installed? I've found the Eee Box and the Dell Studio Hybrid, but I still find them expensive and not available with Linux on most models. Anyone? Cheers, Albert.

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Apologies?
by Keith Watson 05 Mar '09

05 Mar '09

Apologies if that last message went out as HTML, I forgot to check before I sent it. Keith

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Finding directories whose contents have changed since yesterday
by Mark Rogers 05 Mar '09

05 Mar '09

What I want to do is write a script to backup some databases, but only if they've changed. I figured that the easiest way to get a list of databases that exist, as well as which have changed, is to look in /var/lib/mysql for directories with recently changed files. I know that find /var/lib/mysql -type d -mtime 1 .. will find directories that have changed inside 24 hours, but it does not pick up directories whose contents have changed. Any suggestions? (The next problem is that the user I want to run the script as does not have access to the /var/lib/mysql directory at the moment so a more elegant solution would be nice.) -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0845 45 89 555 Registered in England (0456 0902) at 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG

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question about spam and email
by Peter Alcibiades 05 Mar '09

05 Mar '09

I get an email apparently sent from my own address. For example, my address is, lets say, george(a)george.net The email as shown in the headers is as follows: (sparing you the men's health html content....) ____________________________________ X-Apparently-To: george(a)george.net via 217.146.188.205; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 03:09:34 +0000 X-YahooFilteredBulk: 89.255.66.166 X-YMailISG: 2SY32MQWLDseQtPq.viRb0HoD8citXfwb5yU.qQraFBDXDSdpqZYN3SwTpk2iqGxKbNzyJRIqyYInXz.PZigNBPBknbacSefTzLimGCItZrnjtmFQaaOfgZNXdcMWqDHKjumsKzHWpo8wDBn0BQrSqXXEBxy41e9PkcAi3StSZXQ5lU87DuIa4i_lxae6ynbT2_mj5nNPclFaR6tpR569bOJeJ7Y1eLll0nhygykKIG6bEfLNpfT9DBFkvrU7eOPmUFf5PGJ2DYy9z9yaX0jQSHomZcRBr3HaPmdJPgShRnlwaq_SzZMzh.RtEraDzH_Lfg2W3oR X-Originating-IP: [89.255.66.166] Authentication-Results: mta129.mail.ukl.yahoo.com from=; domainkeys=neutral (no sig); from=; dkim=neutral (no sig) Received: from 89.255.66.166 (HELO amerblind.outbound.ed10.com) (89.255.66.166) by mta129.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 03:09:32 +0000 X-Message-Status: n:0 X-SID-PRA:george@george.net X-SID-Result: Pass Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 06:09:25 +0300 (EST) From: Allan Carver <george(a)george.net> To: <george(a)george.net> Subject: RE: USA Menshealth(Thu, 5 Mar 2009 06:09:25 +0300) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: R X-Status: NC X-KMail-EncryptionState: X-KMail-SignatureState: X-KMail-MDN-Sent: ________________________________ Is this just innocent spam, or has the account been compromised?

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High CPU usage for sudo?
by Mark Rogers 05 Mar '09

05 Mar '09

According to top on my desktop: PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 18387 root 20 0 2876 976 952 R 83.3 0.1 3291:33 sudo 31304 mark 20 0 405m 254m 30m S 8.9 16.8 298:14.33 firefox 5964 root 20 0 190m 80m 13m S 3.3 5.3 142:12.89 Xorg 31994 mark 20 0 62364 24m 10m R 1.3 1.6 1:03.30 gnome-terminal 6196 mark 20 0 46292 10m 8256 S 0.7 0.7 3:28.18 gnome-settings- 6303 mark 20 0 90664 50m 7160 S 0.7 3.3 103:36.48 multiload-apple 11225 mark 20 0 111m 26m 17m S 0.7 1.7 13:11.20 deluge 31092 mark 20 0 2416 1172 876 R 0.7 0.1 0:00.08 top 6243 mark 20 0 21392 5032 4328 S 0.3 0.3 5:03.73 gnome-screensav So that's 83% for sudo... I just sat watching it for a while (I only fired up top as the machine was running slow) so although the above is a snapshot it's indicative of a pattern at the moment. Any suggestions? -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0845 45 89 555 Registered in England (0456 0902) at 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG

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Flash Player 9 test?
by Ted.Harding＠manchester.ac.uk 04 Mar '09

04 Mar '09

Hi Folks, To compare notes -- would anyone like to try playing the video linked to from the news article at http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/cn%5Fnews%5Fcambridge/ DisplayArticle.asp?ID=396400 When I clock on the "play" arrow, it crashes my Iceweasel (2.0.0.19 on Debian Etch). If I right-click on the image, I get a pop-up which makes it look as though the video is intended for Flash Player 9. I have Flash Player 9 installed, and have often used it successfully on other sites. With thanks, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)manchester.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 04-Mar-09 Time: 16:56:57 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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[Fwd: [Peterboro] Free .PDF of Linux Format magazine]
by Mark Rogers 04 Mar '09

04 Mar '09

FYI: Posted to the P(eterborough)LUG list. The date this is available is 4th March. Mark Rogers -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Peterboro] Free .PDF of Linux Format magazine Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:05:21 +0000 From: stuart lonnen <stuart.lonnen(a)gmail.com> Hi all, Just found out that the latest issue of Linux Format will be offered free for download from here http://www.tuxradar.com/content/linux-format-free-download-24-hours-only As the URL says the offer will expire after 24 hours and it starts at midnight tonight. I have a subscription so I don't have to download it, but I might just in case someone at the LUG wants it and misses it. I'll be able to offer it to anyone coming to the next LUG meeting. Cheers Stuart L. -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0845 45 89 555 Registered in England (0456 0902) at 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG

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