August 2003 - main

[Alug]Apt-Get / Devel Packages
by BenEBoy 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

Evening all, I'm just playing with my new morphix install and was wondering if you lot could answer a couple of questions (one strange and one vague)? The strange question is whether it's possible to halt apt-get when it's downloading stuff without losing what's already been downloaded? Until I get hooked up with broadband I'm on a dialup with a 2 hour cutoff which sort of limits what I can download in that time. I'm just looking for a way around it... The vague question is that morphix doesn't install any of the header files so it's a bit of a bugger trying to compile anything from source. So far I've had to try googling 'stdio.h' or whatever to try and work out what package it's in. Can someone tell me some of the most likely dev packages I'll need (see, told you it was vague) or possibly a better way of locating them myself? ta muchly, BenE (This debian lark is much harder than compiling everything from scatch <g>)

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[Alug]Virgin Radio
by Wayne Stallwood 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

Wow, I have just surfed over to http://www.virginradio.co.uk/thestation/listen/index.html To pick up a music stream to listen to and I was greeted with this message "Hello, Linux user! Virgin Radio is available in your favourite MP3 player (and Real) - the other stations are just in Real format. You can download a Linux version of Real Player from Real.com. You can also listen to our Windows streams with Crossover." I think that is the first time I've seen browser/os detection on a website and it hasn't displayed a "Your not using IE6 on Windows XP, GO AWAY" message. What a nice change.

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[Alug]Summary: Elmswell, Revolution OS
by MJ Ray 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

Please add to this... ALUG turned out at Elmswell (Thanks to Adam!) to watch "Debbie does Silicon Vall^W^W^W^W Revolution OS" (Thanks to Big John!) on the big screen at at (Thanks to Rob!). In the best cinema tradition, we assembled in the foyer, got our drinks and snacks (Thanks to Keith!) and then went into the auditorium. You can read a bit about the film itself on the web site, or you can ask those of us who were there about it. Afterwards, we had a bit of a chat about it, exchanged interesting tales (Fozzy, Barry, Keith) and dull ones (MJR) or just sat in a corner (Brett) and wondered: just when was Red Hat 5.1 released? Why didn't the guy in the penguin suit rugby-tackle Larry? How can we get free beer? Is 45 a good idea in a 30 zone? ;-) We also had a bit of a chat about what to do next. Ideas from the rest of the list are welcome, of course. Here or on IRC. * 1984 marks 20 years of the GNU project (the film reminded us of this), so how about a 20th birthday installfest in the new year? (March?) We could do a "mini-InstallFest" later this year for practice/testing. Need at least 10 installers to help. * Keith is interested in a Debian-themed meeting, maybe Syleham in November, as Big John is interested too and we can try to drag a developer kicking and screaming from Norwich. * Quite a few people are interested in a "from boot to halt" themed meeting explaining the boot process, shutdown process and so on. Just what do all those messages scrolling past actually *mean*? What causes them to do that? How do we change them? Perhaps we could have a short overview talk and some people taking aspects of this with posters so we can still play with kit. MJR is gullible enough to offer to help: who else? Is it possible to do this in Norwich? * Get our spare kit to people who have offered to hold kit (Colin?) * A Linux and Jam Tart Eating contest. (WTF? Eating Linux CDs?) * Sort out meeting transport and travel in groups. Encourage lurker members to come and swell our numbers. Organise further ahead to get more publicity. * The web site is really simple to add pages to now. Just download the file http://www.alug.org.uk/alug.html.template, copy it and edit with your favourite tool. Then upload it somewhere or send it to me. * Meet up at London Olympia Linux Expo in October? Next event is drinks in Ely on Thursday evening, not counting IRC tonight. Next weekend meeting that I know of is in Norwich in late September. See you there? -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ jabber://slef@jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ *UPDATED* Kit for sale at http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ads.html

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[Alug]Ian Murdoch on the Debian philosophy
by Syd Hancock 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

Very interesting counter-view to 'commercial linux': http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3064611 "At LinuxWorld last week, a number of people asked me what Debian could do to make itself a more viable alternative to the commercial distributions in the enterprise market. That shouldn't be Debian's focus. The focus shouldn't be on following the commercial distributions where they want to lead us, but rather on taking the lead--for example, by working with and strengthening existing vendor-neutral, community-owned standards efforts such as the Linux Standard Base (LSB)." Also, a history of Debian by IM: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/editorials/4959/1/ "People often ask me what I would identify as Debian's most important contribution to the world. I believe it's Debian's decision to adopt a community-based development model. As far as I know, this marks the first time that a project intentionally set out to be developed by the community that used it. This is a central and critical component of the power of the open source movement--after all, if you remove the community from open source software, it's just software." Syd

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[Alug]Announce digest, Vol 2 #13 - 3 msgs
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

Send Announce mailing list submissions to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to announce-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at announce-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Announce digest..." --------------.--------------------------------------------.------------ alug-announce | Newsletter of the Anglian Linux User Group | Weekly(ish) --------------'--------------------------------------------'------------ ** Please send articles for this letter to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk ** *** Please send replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk, not announce... *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today's Topics: 1. Fwd: Linux-sec-uk mailing list (MJ Ray) 2. LOCAL: Ely/GNU/Linux Thursday Evening (MJ Ray) 3. Fwd: [Alug]Weekly IRC reminder (MJ Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:43:15 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Alug Announce]Fwd: Linux-sec-uk mailing list Linux-sec-uk is a new mailing list hosted by lug.org.uk for the discussion of Linux Security. As well as technical and practical advice on Linux security at all levels, the list also covers UK-centric issues relevant to security technologies and policies. You can subscribe to the list at: http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/linux-sec-uk . --__--__-- Message: 2 From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:57:37 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Alug Announce]LOCAL: Ely/GNU/Linux Thursday Evening [1]ALUG [2]Map Meeting 2003.11: Ely: Cutter and Fountain 21 August 2003 Plan for the meeting We'll meet at [3]the Cutter near the train station at 1830. Someone will put a penguin on the table, ALUGgers will gather round and chat. Maybe even plan a kit-bringing meeting in Ely. By 2000, we should be at [4]the Fountain. Because we're in pubs, please only bring portable equipment like laptops and handhelds. People at the meeting So far, MJR, Adam, Kirsty and Daniel look fairly certain to be there. If you will be coming to this meeting, please try to say so on the mailing list, so we can be prepared for the numbers! Use [5]the meeting transport page if you can share your journey. Equipment Equipment is brought at your own risk. We strongly suggest that you tag or label your kit. No known thefts have occurred at our meetings, but there is ample scope for going home with the wrong cables, etc. Discussion If you want to discuss this meeting, please [6]use the mailing list. [7]Back to the meetings index * Destinations 1. [8]Join ALUG 2. [9]FAQ 3. [10]Meetings * Local LUGs 1. [11]Peterborough 2. [12]Cambridge * Recent Donors 1. 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[17]O'Reilly UK You may think I'm a dreamer... but I'm not the only one [18]UK LUGs References 1. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 2. http://www.alug.org.uk/ 3. http://www.ely.angle.uk.com/eatndrink/pubs/cutterinn.cgi 4. http://www.britishpubguide.com/cgi-bin/pub.cgi?results:Cambridgeshire:1147 5. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?MeetingTransport 6. http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main 7. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2003/ 8. http://www.alug.org.uk/background/contacts.html 9. http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?AlugFaq 10. http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2003/ 11. http://www.peterboro.lug.org.uk/ 12. http://www.cambridge-lug.org/ 13. http://www.php4hosting.co.uk/ 14. http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/ 15. http://www.drake.org.uk/ 16. http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ 17. http://www.oreilly.co.uk/ 18. http://www.lug.org.uk/ --__--__-- Message: 3 To: announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:38:21 +0100 (BST) From: mjr(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk (MJ Ray) Subject: [Alug Announce]Fwd: [Alug]Weekly IRC reminder Just a reminder for newsletter subscribers. From: Neill Newman <neill(a)entora.co.uk> Subject: [Alug]Weekly IRC reminder Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 06:00:01 +0100 This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!) _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.alug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? 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[Alug]Norwich sunday meeting 28th September 2pm
by Syd Hancock 18 Aug '03

18 Aug '03

The next Norwich sunday meeting will be on the 28th September at the Nelson Room, Billy Bluelight pub, city end of Hall road, 2-6 pm. I've booked the room unseen but AFAIK it should be fine - will take a look at it once back in Norwich next week. Syd

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[Alug]Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 18 Aug '03

18 Aug '03

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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[Alug]Re: Update on story of Microsoft charging schools too much.
by Ben Norcutt 17 Aug '03

17 Aug '03

The bit that worries me about this story actually working in IT in a School is that it doesn't say that the Government will bulk buy licences it says the Government will bulk buy computer equipment with the licences to save Schools the licence costs. The Government bulk buying IT equipment is a joke. I also fail to see where they get this £70 from ours is £36.63 and even if we added the couple of titles not on our agreement this certainly wouldn't more than double the price. Cheers, Ben Norcutt

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[Alug]apologies (perhaps)
by BenE 17 Aug '03

17 Aug '03

I made the mistake last night of looking in my sent mail folder which automatically sorts any mail according to my filters, so all my mail I've sent here gets put in my 'alug' folder. Today, I accidently managed to send all the outgoing mail that has been frozen by exim in the past. So...I can't tell whether the deluge of mail from me in my alug folder is because of my messing up last night or today. If the rest of you have received a lot of old mail from me today then I apologise and I hope it won't happen again since I'm installing debian tmrw (well, morphix) and that should be better configured (hopefully). If you have no idea what I'm talking about then...ermm....apologies for this bit of spam... *bows* BenE --------------------------------- Love is all I bring, in me crass t-shirt 'n' ting

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[Alug]PsiLinux (Psion)
by MJ Ray 15 Aug '03

15 Aug '03

I think this was also mentioned yesterday: "PsiLinux is a project to port the unix-like operating system Linux to a group of palmtops produced by Psion, and related machines such as the Geofox One. At present, working linux systems can be installed." http://linux-7110.sourceforge.net/ Anyone using it? -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ jabber://slef@jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ Thought: Edwin A Abbott wrote about trouble with Windows in 1884

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