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Re: [Alug] Suitable threads on main [was: Freeserve being a big bag of poo?]
by MJ Ray 20 Sep '01

20 Sep '01

"Martyn Drake" <martyn(a)alug.org.uk> writes: > Misc - anything else that doesn't fit into the above No, let's use social instead of a misc. Although setting up a developers (programmers?) list would be a good move, it seems, I think having a bit-bucket will mean that no-one subscribes to it. -- MJR Thesis watch: 27% This is my personal web site =-> http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ http://www.alug.org.uk/ <-- This is the LUG I go to I work for this clever internet developer ==> http://www.luminas.co.uk/

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Freeserve being a big bag of poo?
by Adam Bower 20 Sep '01

20 Sep '01

Hi all, I wouldn't normally ask this on the Alug list but I am not subscribed to better places to ask this. Anyway, I just signed up with freeserve not much more than a week ago and their data transfer for webpages seems abysmal? I just telneted to a server that I know is fast and issued a GET / HTTP/1.0 and I could interpret the html faster than it came done the pipe! I know my bandwidth is ok, as ssh works fine to my shell account and ping flooding freeserves main webserver makes the blinken lights stay on constantly while looking at the modem. Anyway my basic question is has anyone else noticed that freeserves Netapps are completley ****** and not wanting to give webpages even if you ask them nicely? or is it something more localised on the Freeserve network? Adam -- This message is Copyleft - all rights reversed Adam

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Re: [Alug] Strong case for text web browsers...
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 20 Sep '01

20 Sep '01

Try this one then: http://www.pace-racing.co.uk/

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Re: [Alug] Freeserve being a big bag of poo? Yup, tied up with chicken's legs.
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 20 Sep '01

20 Sep '01

Adam Bower wrote: >Anyway my basic question is has anyone else noticed that freeserves >Netapps are completley ****** and not wanting to give webpages even if you >ask them nicely? or is it something more localised on the Freeserve >network? Adam - I use freeserve and, although they are reliable enough for mail, viewing web pages takes about ten times as long at home as it does at work, and some things i can't even access, e.g. linuxnewbie site. I just don't use the net at all at home as a result. I assusmed the problem was at my end up till now, actually. Jen

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Unix is reusable code (makedepend)
by oms101＠freeuk.com 19 Sep '01

19 Sep '01

I was about to write a program today to go through my source code and find all the files included. I did a search on the internet and only found a windows program, the reason being that the linux program was something so standard I had missed it. Its called makedepend and ran as such makedepend main.cpp -f- produces output as such main.c.o: /usr/include/_G_config.h /usr/include/alloca.h /usr/include/assert.h main.c.o: /usr/include/bits/confname.h /usr/include/bits/endian.h main.c.o: /usr/include/bits/environments.h /usr/include/bits/huge_val.h main.c.o: /usr/include/bits/local_lim.h /usr/include/bits/mathcalls.h but produces a few more lines. I then process the output into ctags and can find the definition of any bit of code I want. I think I shall write a little bash script and put the features into my ode program. Whats rearly nice is today I found a good example of code reuse the unix way and saved myself work. Regards Owen Date: 19-Sep-01 Time: 18:38:51

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RE: I know a good IDE or 3 for linux.
by Earl Brannigan 19 Sep '01

19 Sep '01

Hi Guys, > > I think anjuta has great promise, and shall be keeping an eye on it > Absolutely, I really like Anjuta ... it does the biz for me, although it seems to get its knickers in a twist with debugging sometimes, breakpoints display can be a bit hit-and-miss, but I imagine this is more to do with gdb and my excessive use of templates and typedefs and inline classes. I use it at home all of the time, then save out the project to floppy, bring it to work and import the files (manually) into whatever IDE I'm using. > > kdevelop I think is great in terms of functionality but dont feel > that the text > editor is very good Haven't tried this one. > > I am currently nearing the stage of release of a program > initially called ode > (owens development environment) this currently consists of a make > button which > displays your make output and start a nedit editor with the error line > highlighted when you click on the error line. I plan to make the GUI > configurable and a few more features. please mail me if you use > nedit and I > shall mail you the as is code/binarry. I don't use nedit but you can still send me the source/binary and I'll install nedit as well... > kylix is a superb ide although rearly requires a 700Mhz + CPU this agreed, but I don't really want to learn another language. I did begin delphi with release 5 but found it a little awkward. I do use C++ builder however, every day. If borland port this to linux it'll be Christmas for me. I did play with rhide (the Turbo C lookalike) for a while, which worked well but It had to come pre-compiled with a statically linked obscure library or something. So it was quite big but still phun, took me back a few years.

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Re: Re : [Alug] Re problems with Bt
by MJ Ray 19 Sep '01

19 Sep '01

Syd Hancock <syd2(a)toufol.com> writes: > Only fly in the ointment is that I seem to remember needing to use IE to set > up the account. But that's not such a big deal really. Oh yes and there are > two-hour cut offs but that does not trouble me too much either. You don't *need* IE, as you can do it with a little bit of JavaScript hacking (typing the form submit action into the location bar when you get to that badly-designed form). Yes, it sucks, but it can be done. As for cutoffs, pppd's persist option works. (Yay - bricktext again!) -- MJR Thesis watch: 27% This is my personal web site =-> http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ http://www.alug.org.uk/ <-- This is the LUG I go to I work for this clever internet developer ==> http://www.luminas.co.uk/

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Re: [Alug] Alug server
by MJ Ray 19 Sep '01

19 Sep '01

"Martyn Drake" <martyn(a)alug.org.uk> writes: > BTW, has anybody got anything good or bad to say about OpenBSD? One > potential job could have me administrating such a box. Good: ongoing security audit, IIRC. Bad: Theo has quite an ego, it seems. -- MJR Thesis watch: 27% This is my personal web site =-> http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ http://www.alug.org.uk/ <-- This is the LUG I go to I work for this clever internet developer ==> http://www.luminas.co.uk/

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Re : [Alug] Re problems with Bt
by Mat B 19 Sep '01

19 Sep '01

I have never been able to connect to BT Internet through Linux. Works fine under Windows though, so I end up doing a majority of my surfing under that :( Otherwise I use my Barrysworld dialup account (which is charged at Lo-call rates). If anyone can give me any advice as to how to set up my ISDN connection to work with BT Internet then I would be *very* grateful. BT's support for Linux is sadly lacking... I have tried everythingTM and all I can get is a connection that allows me to go nowhere but makes the KISDN rate monitor go up to full all the time. Regards, Mat B

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Alug server
by Martyn Drake 19 Sep '01

19 Sep '01

Hi folks, I've resolved the spat from Rackspace and even though unemployed at the end of the month, I'm confident something will turn up pretty soon and thus funds for running the server will be all sorted out. There will still be the danger of having to close the server if something doesn't turn up by the end of November, but at least the server will be kept going until then. Again, my apologies for all the panic and many, many thanks for all of you that have volunteered to take over hosting duties for the site. BTW, has anybody got anything good or bad to say about OpenBSD? One potential job could have me administrating such a box. Regards, Martyn

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