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Testing Ububtu 6.10
by ted.harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 19 Feb '07

19 Feb '07

Hi Folks, This evening I downloaded the ISO for Ubuntu 6.10 (the latest), burnt it to CD, and gave it a whirl (using the CD as a live CD). Quite a lot of fun really -- this is designed to appeal! But I had a weird experience with printing. I used the GUI to add a printer. It autodetected my HP Laserjet 1300 and proposed (which I accepted) the PostScript driver for it. Then I opened one of its Examples files (an Open Office "doc") in OpenOffice Writer ("Word" to you ...), and tried printing it. Nothing happened. 'lpq' showed that the job was queued and printing, but nothing happened at the printer. Eventually, I killed the job with 'lprm', went back to the document, and printed it to file "test.ps". I checked (using "less") that this was PostScript. Then, at the console (Ctrl-Alt-F1, user = "ubuntu"), I tried lpr test.ps and nothing happened. I then tried cat test.ps > /dev/lp0 and got "Permission denied". So I tried (being aware of the issue) sudo cat test.ps >/dev/lp0 with the same result. Permissions on /dev/lp0 were something like (should have written it down ... ) rw- rw- --- root root So I bit the bullet, executed sudo passwd root thus creating a "normal" root account. The I logged in as root, cd'd to /home/ubuntu, and again did cat test.ps > /dev/lp0 and this time it worked. This suggests that "ordinary" users ("ubuntu" in this case) don't have permission to print -- no doubt there's a work-round, but it was not offered up in the printer installation dialogue. But when (still as root) I did lpr test.ps I got the message that no printer was available! So it looks as though resources like a printer are set up on a per-user basis! This all strikes me as a weird and bewildering tangle. I find Ubuntu's marginalising of root irritating anyway, but the rest of it seems just crazy. And this is supposed to be "Linux for the masses" ... Maybe I've misunderstood something, or missed some obvious trick, so I'd welcome comments. In case it may be relevant: when I booted off the CD, I chose the "Safe Graphics Mode" option. With thanks, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <ted.harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 18-Feb-07 Time: 22:00:45 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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RE: FW: [ALUG] Hello
by Tracy Dickerson 19 Feb '07

19 Feb '07

*smile* I darn hope so............ Tracy -----Original Message----- From: main-bounces(a)lists.alug.org.uk [mailto:main-bounces@lists.alug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Ian bell Sent: 19 February 2007 16:30 To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: FW: [ALUG] Hello Tracy Dickerson wrote: > I am attending > the gym first and coming straight from there I trust this includes a pit stop at the showers ;-) Ian _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.alug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above!

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FW: [ALUG] Hello
by Tracy Dickerson 19 Feb '07

19 Feb '07

Hey, Really excited about the meeting this evening, where abouts will you guys be sitting or will it be really obvious to me when I walk in? Also, does anyone know what time they serve food until? I am attending the gym first and coming straight from there so will be a tad famished, (I will try get eating done before the beginning of the meeting.) Laters Tracy -----Original Message----- From: main-bounces(a)lists.alug.org.uk [mailto:main-bounces@lists.alug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Tracy Dickerson Sent: 14 February 2007 16:15 To: samwise; main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: RE: [ALUG] Hello Sounds just grand Peter. I will look forward to the talks, should be very interesting and informative. I can see I might be more in tune with my 'puter before long which will be very nice. We do not really get on to be fair. lol Will be good to meet other people who use or have used Fedora because when I get in a muddle, my 'sysadmin' lives in Worcester! Looking forward very much to Monday. Tracy. -----Original Message----- From: main-bounces(a)lists.alug.org.uk [mailto:main-bounces@lists.alug.org.uk] On Behalf Of samwise Sent: 14 February 2007 16:07 To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [ALUG] Hello > Is there any kind of agenda, or will this one be a meet and greet? Well, there has been one small meeting so far, before I started publicising the LUG more widely and the five members who attended that one expressed an interesting in having a half-hour or so interactive presentation by a member on whatever topic interested them - how to compile software, build your own kernel, run virtual machines, use an iPod, archive a CD collection etc. However, as there may be lots of new people (hopefully), I think we'll keep it fairly flexible again for this one and just get an idea of what everyone else wants to get out of our LUG too. So, I've said I'll bring along a laptop with some information about using a virtual server under Kubuntu, but we may not get into that. There are also a few other things we need to finalise, but it will be mostly meet & greet. > Although I have been using differing flavours of Red Hat and Fedora > over a fair few years, I would not say I have much experience with the > innards of them. I would like to learn more about using the command > prompt as I get lost very very easily. So if some of my questions > could get answered along the way I would be very happy indeed. No problem, Tracy! We have at least one other regular Fedora user and I've used a number of variants of it myself as well ... I'm sure you'll get some new things to try before the meet's over. :) Ooh ... I've just had an idea - maybe we should have a regular Agony Aunt slot in the meeting, for people to tell everyone else what they're stuck with! :) If we get a wiki up and running, I can see that coming in handy with that! Peter. _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.alug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.alug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above!

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(no subject)
by Matthew 19 Feb '07

19 Feb '07

Hello all, The welcome mail suggests that new users say a few words about why they're here, so here goes: I've run a Debian web server since mid 2004, supporting a handful of data-driven websites and providing mail, ftp and so on for me and the odd friend. On occasion I've played with Linux machines at home: I currently use an old PC as a firewall/router and have another acting as a VMWare host so that I can easily deploy & destroy whatever toy project catches my eye that week. I only briefly used it as a desktop OS: I put it on a dying laptop once the heat issues became too much for it to run WinXP, but only coaxed a few more weeks out of it before the inevitable catastrophic hardware failure. In terms of helpful knowledge, experience and so on, I know next to nothing about X-servers, window managers and the like. Mainly I know about internet services, and the odd bit of local networking. Matthew

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RE: [ALUG] Re: FW: Hello
by Tracy Dickerson 19 Feb '07

19 Feb '07

It is at the Milestone Beerhouse, behind the old Odeon. Meeting starts at 20.00 I believe; ending at 22.00. Laters Tracy -----Original Message----- From: main-bounces(a)lists.alug.org.uk [mailto:main-bounces@lists.alug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Eur Ing Chris Green Sent: 19 February 2007 10:20 To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [ALUG] Re: FW: Hello On Mon, Feb 19, 2007 at 10:09:09AM -0000, Tracy Dickerson wrote: > Hey, > > Really excited about the meeting this evening, where abouts will you > guys be sitting or will it be really obvious to me when I walk in? > > Also, does anyone know what time they serve food until? I am attending > the gym first and coming straight from there so will be a tad > famished, (I will try get eating done before the beginning of the > meeting.) > Can you folks remind me where this meeting is (and the approximate time) as I'm footloose and fancy free this evening (my wife is working late in London) so I may be able to come along. -- Chris Green _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.alug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above!

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"Hidden partitions"
by ted.harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 19 Feb '07

19 Feb '07

Hi Folks, I understand that many laptops have BIOS-admin and diagnostic programs stored in a "hidden partition" on the hard drive -- usually accessed by pressing a function key during the first stage of booting. Any suggestions about a) How to find out where this partition is (e.g. starting and ending cylinders) -- indeed to find out whether it is there in the first place? b) How to (e.g.) wipe that other OS off the drive and install Linux without affecting this hidden partition? With thanks, and best wishes to all, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <ted.harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 18-Feb-07 Time: 09:47:49 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Compile errors
by Barry Samuels 18 Feb '07

18 Feb '07

I'm still fiddling with this new Asus P5W DH mainboard of mine. I've given up with trying to get the IDE DVD drive working and the people that sold me my current DVD drive last November, and the P5W mainboard, have offered to swap that drive for a SATA version so I shall try that. However - on to the reason for this post. I'd like to try and get the on-board Realtek 8187 wireless working so I downloaded the latest drivers from the Realtek site only to have the compile fail. So before I make a fool of myself by emailing Realtek could there be any other reason for the failure apart from faulty code? This is what I get: ieee80211_softmac.c:2168:78: error: macro "INIT_WORK" passed 3 arguments, but takes just 2 ieee80211_softmac.c: In function 'ieee80211_softmac_init': ieee80211_softmac.c:2168: error: 'INIT_WORK' undeclared (first use in this function) ieee80211_softmac.c:2168: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once ieee80211_softmac.c:2168: error: for each function it appears in.) ieee80211_softmac.c:2169:88: error: macro "INIT_WORK" passed 3 arguments, but takes just 2 ieee80211_softmac.c:2170:94: error: macro "INIT_WORK" passed 3 arguments, but takes just 2 ieee80211_softmac.c:2171:96: error: macro "INIT_WORK" passed 3 arguments, but takes just 2 ieee80211_softmac.c:2172:82: error: macro "INIT_WORK" passed 3 arguments, but takes just 2 ieee80211_softmac.c:2173:82: error: macro "INIT_WORK" passed 3 arguments, but takes just 2 I'm using gcc-4.1. The only 'c' I understand has tides. :-)) -- Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain

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HTML Mail
by Mark Ridley 17 Feb '07

17 Feb '07

I'm not trying to stir up an argument here, but why do people hate HTML mail so much? Most modern mail tools display HTML just fine, and the overhead needed to send a bulkier mail message is negligible. I'm one of these people that use multiple mail clients, depending on which box I'm using, and it really doesn't matter to me. Although I send mail mails plain text, it never bothers me when I receive HTML mail. Just curious as to how people feel about it. -Mark ----------------------------------------------------------- This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. This information is intended to be read only by the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are on notice that any review, disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete or destroy any copy of this message.

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Re: Asus P5W DH Deluxe mainboard and IDE interfaces
by Barry Samuels 17 Feb '07

17 Feb '07

I've had to have a two day break from this thread because I decided to try my two hard drives on the JMicron interface and the DVD drive on the Intel interface. The mainboard manual says the JMicron interface supports up to 2 devices. The short version of the story is that I ended up with the file systems on both drives comprehensively trashed! Linux is normally very good at recovering from file system errors but it couldn't do anything with these. The long story: After swapping interfaces I booted the machine using a Knoppix v5.1 CD, because I'd need to change device names in a couple of files, but went into the BIOS first. The DVD registered as the first primary drive in the first main menu screen as expected but it seems very odd that once in the BIOS any devices connected to the JMicron interface are not listed anywhere. Drives are set as Master and Slave. They are shown, briefly for about 5 seconds, just before entering the BIOS and it was here that I noticed that only one hard drive was shown after the heading 'HDD:' but the name that followed was just a random collection of letters and numbers, the font was also broken up (characters had gaps in them), and that line of text was flashing. I left the BIOS and continued with the boot into Linux and tried mounting one of the partitions. On seeing the message that 'the filesystem has errors' I didn't go any further but closed down the system. I then swapped the cables back to their original positions and tried to boot but it hung a short way into the process. I decided to swap the primary drive and DVD drive back into my old machine and boot from the same Live CD to examine the hard drive. The contents were basically rubbish! I spent quite a lot of yesterday restoring from tape which, as there is a fair amount of data, was a rather slow business. The tape was up to date as far as early yesterday morning so I lost a couple of unimportant emails but that was it. So I'm not over impressed with the JMicron interface so far. -- Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain

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Re: [ALUG] Re: Asus P5W DH Deluxe mainboard and IDE interfaces
by Barry Samuels 16 Feb '07

16 Feb '07

On 16/02/07 10:15:17, Eur Ing Chris Green wrote: > On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 09:42:57AM +0000, Barry Samuels wrote: > > > > On 16/02/07 08:37:00, Eur Ing Chris Green wrote: > > BTW I took a look at the Asus 5W HD manual and there are a couple of > interesting little snippets:- > > Under the JMicron IDE interface description it says "This > connector does not support ATAPI devices", so you can't put CD > (or DVD) drives on it I guess. Yes I've seen that but it will boot and run from a Live CD on that interface and I have seen comments from other Linux users about trying to get CD/DVD drives working on that interface. So I'm not sure quite what it means. > Under the Intel IDE interface description it says "Install > devices on this connector (PRI_IDE) first, then install on the > JMicron IDE connector, ...". The Intel interface had the DVD drive on it and the two hard drives on the JMicron so that should satisfy that requirement. It would be useful if I could trace the problem to something that I had done. Then, at least, I would have a satisfactory explanation. -- Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain

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