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Reminder: Norwich City Gate meeting this Thursday night.
by Jonathan McDowell 07 Jun '04

07 Jun '04

As per usual, this Thursday (10th June) we'll be congregating in the City Gate from around 8pm. Full details can be found at: http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2004/all-NorThu.html J. -- jid: noodles(a)jabber.earth.li Eat a prune. Start a movement.

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 07 Jun '04

07 Jun '04

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Gentoo is treating me better now
by Charles Garcia-Tobin 04 Jun '04

04 Jun '04

Hiyer everybody Gentoo is beginning to look great on my cube, I managed to download all the required sources, I have X with nvidia drivers working, nforce drivers working too. I do have a slight problem with disks though. When I boot the machine dma is turned off, and attempts to turn it back on are dissallowed thus: hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda /dev/hda: setting using_dma to 1 (on) HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted using_dma = 0 (off) Any ideas? is my IDE driver not quite right? Incidentally anybody know what I have to emerger to get lspci? Cheers for the help Charles

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Fwd: Re: Software patents
by Joe Button 03 Jun '04

03 Jun '04

Hi I thought I'd forward a copy of the email I just sent the Eastern MEPs to the list - I was in both a hurry and a blind rage when I wrote it so it's probably not me at my most coherent. Please let me know if there's anything obviously wrong with it. While I'm here, are people aware of this: http://swpat.ffii.org/papers/rms-cam020325/index.en.html Whatever you think of rms (personally I think he's a god and will defend his honour with my life) this is a great article about patents. Joe x ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Re: Software patents Date: Wednesday 02 Jun 2004 14:18 From: Joe Button <joe(a)joebutton.co.uk> To: rhowitt(a)europarl.eu.int Hello again. I'd just like to follow up my email with the information that Network Associates (a large american company) has just been granted a patent on various spam (junk email) filtering techniques in the US. By way of exploring the wisdom of software patents I would like to point out some of the implications of this: * One of the techniques the patent covers is 'Bayesian filtering'. The patent was applied for in December 2002. A very cursory search enabled me to find public discussion of Bayesian spam filtering from February 2002, which referenced material on the topic from dating 1999. * Another technique covered by the patent is apparently 'MD5 paragraph hashing', which simply means the creation of a shorter 'digital ID' code for a paragraph of text. I'm not a spam filtering expert, but as a reasonably capable programmer it seems to me that that is a blindingly obvious thing to do if you're trying to identify spam. * If I write a program that uses either the first established and public technique or the second extremely obvious one, I can be sued. In fact if I'd written one before the patent was granted or applied for I could still be sued. My options would be to get out of the spam-filtering business, to pay Network Associates for the right to use 'their' technology, or to launch a separate case to try to get the patent invalidated, which would be too costly and difficult for virtually any small business. * As an email user, I will be denied the use of free spam filtering software such as the popular 'spamassassin' as the distributors will not be able to license the technology. * Due to the decrease in competition that will be caused by this patent, spam filtering will be generally less efficient than it could be. The world will be a better place for spammers and Network Associates, and a worse place for the rest of us. According to the European Commission spam cost European businesses around two-and-a-quarter-billion euros in 2003 * It's also worth noting that many other spam filtering techniques are patented, some of them under patents that are so broad that they are simply widely ignored on the assumption they won't stand up to legal challenges. Contrary the UK rep's statement of support for de-revised text, permitting software patents will _not_ lead to a simplified legal situation, they will simply create a minefield for software developers and businesses. I hope this helps to clarify some of the implications of the impending legislative changes. Regards, Joe Button

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Re: [ALUG] Fwd: Re: Software patents
by Joe Button 02 Jun '04

02 Jun '04

On Wednesday 02 Jun 2004 17:22, IanBell wrote: > On Wednesday 02 Jun 2004 2:29 pm, Joe Button wrote: > > Hi > > > > I thought I'd forward a copy of the email I just sent the Eastern MEPs to > > the list - I was in both a hurry and a blind rage when I wrote it so it's > > probably not me at my most coherent. Please let me know if there's > > anything obviously wrong with it. > > Seems coherent enough to me but it has one flaw. What you are complaining > about, it seems to me, is the granting of an invalid patent because of > provable prior art. This situation has always been a possibility with > patents and is in no way unique to software. I did refer to prior art, but I thought I managed to winge about various other things as well, eg. the patenting of the blindingly obvious and the lack of remedy when patents are of dubious validity. Maybe I could have talked about the ways that software is a special case, but you there's only so much you can cram into an MEP's skull in one go. Really what I was trying to convey was that permitting patents on software created a restrictive and uncertain environment for businesses, in the hope of undermining the pro-unamended text lobby's position that it will increase clarity. Thanks for describing me as 'coherent' - I think that's probably the nicest thing anyone's ever said about me. Joe x

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Gentoo is running! but need to setup X
by Charles Garcia-Tobin 02 Jun '04

02 Jun '04

Hi there Gentoo is up and running, I have networking and everything. Once I'd mananged to download all the packages I needed it all wen't quite smoothly. I've done emerge --usepkg kde and similarly for gnome ( I can't decide!) but it did not setup X. It built it but there is no XF86Config. So is there a setup script like SaX2 on Suse that I can get things going? Another question is what I do to download MSFonts? Help appretiated Charles

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Re:
by John Seago 01 Jun '04

01 Jun '04

On Tuesday 01 June 2004 Steve Purkiss <steve(a)open4.org> wrote: > > I have had a real problem with understanding the voting on software > > patents and things, just completely unable to comprehend anything to > > do with it, until I read this open letter which I personally found > > very helpful, at least I know how to vote usefully now! > > > > http://www.linux.org.uk/open.l.html > > > > /Kirsten > > Me too - thanks for the link - kinda summarises well what I've found out > so far, however on the wider scale of things I personally would prefer > voting Libdems who weren't mentioned there but I understand they are > also more receptive to our 'cause'. > > Now I'm even more confused... Perhaps Mark will be able to let you have the voting results of the Lib-Dems on this matter in the European Parliament, I seem to remember something being mentioned about their voting record on this matter at Sunday's meeting. In the meantime perhaps you, (and every body else could send your candidates this: ___________________ I would be grateful if you could also reply to the following questions. Do you believe that current copyright enforcement measures are sufficient? Would you vote to allow technological measures that prevent duplication of copyright material for reporting, research and private study? Would you vote for future harmonsiations of European copyright laws to take a high level of protection as their basis? Do you believe that protection of copyright is more important than protection of competition? These questions concern the forthcoming second reading of the directive on patentability of computer-implemented inventions. Will you vote for freedom of publication (against patent program claims)? Will you vote for exclusion of data processing from a 'field of technology', as voted in Article 3a on 24 September? Will you vote for a definition of 'technical' by reference to forces of nature? Will you vote for rejection of the directive if it does not include all of the above freedoms, exclusion and definition? ______________________________________ -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Further to the discussion of software patents and the European parliamentary elections
by Kirsten Naylor 01 Jun '04

01 Jun '04

Hi all, I have had a real problem with understanding the voting on software patents and things, just completely unable to comprehend anything to do with it, until I read this open letter which I personally found very helpful, at least I know how to vote usefully now! http://www.linux.org.uk/open.l.html /Kirsten

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Odd bash error
by Chris Green 01 Jun '04

01 Jun '04

When I get an error message back from bash on this system it's prefixed by '-u', e.g. :- areti$ g -ubash: g: command not found It's not a disaster but it would be nice to fix it, any ideas anyone? I don't think it's a terminal type misconfiguration as the same type is working OK on other systems and I've also tried changing from rxvt to xterm which had no effect. Everything else seems fine. -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk)

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New Member
by Ian P. Christian 31 May '04

31 May '04

Good morning all. I have been living in Ipswich for 2 weeks now, and I thought I should join the local LUG, so here I am! I'm currently working for an ISP in Ipswich. My website about sums up what I konw, and what I do. http://www.pookey.co.uk. Hope everyone enjoys the long weekend :) Kind Regards, Ian P. Christian

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Software Patents ...again!
by John Seago 31 May '04

31 May '04

At yesterday's meeting at Syleham, Mark gave us an update on the battle against software patents. He also gave us a list of questions that need to be put to all candidates for European Elections. The questions can be found here: http://mjr.towers.org.uk/proj/eurovote/#questions (you may have to scroll down to find them). Time is getting very short, the election is on the 10th June, and Mark needs the information well before then. All ALUGer's should be lobbying their candidates, I'm telling you this as Mark is far too polite to nag at you, but I'm not! -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 31 May '04

31 May '04

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Evening meetings in Norwich Internet Cafe?
by MJ Ray 29 May '04

29 May '04

In reply to the recent announce message, Lewis Allen offered the Norwich Internet Cafe as a venue for evening meetings. He's also happy to announce and promote them. What do you think? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 2004-05-28 10:47:15 +0100 From: Lewis Allen <lewis(a)norwichinternet.com> Subject: Norwich Internet Cafe If you would like a venue for monthly ALUG evening meetings perhaps you would like to meet in our Internet Cafe in Norwich Market? A central Norwich location with 20 broadband screens, wireless access and CD writer which your members would be welcome to use for free (yes, free). We would only charge for any printing, blank disks, drinks etc. See www.norwichinternet.com for more about us. Why would we do this? I am interested in Linux and will be starting to learn PHP and MySQL soon and would like to do my bit to promote it's use in Norwich. Let me know if this interests you. Regards Lewis Allen Norwich Internet Cafe www.norwichinternet.com -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ for creative copyleft computing Help hack the EuroParl! http://mjr.towers.org.uk/proj/eurovote/

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Software Patents
by John Seago 29 May '04

29 May '04

I have had this reply from the English Democrats: "With regards to your specific question about English Democrats Party policy on Sofware Patents in Europe - then I must confess that our maniefesto does not go into this level of detail. What is the particular issue here ?" -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Re: Boot partitions
by John Seago 29 May '04

29 May '04

The version I used was Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r0 Official i386 binary, I've had them some time, they came from the Linux Emporium, (when it was run by John Winter). Having got it running it just gave me a graphical log in and would only let me log-in as user, the only way I could get to root to reboot was to use a terminal from Gnome and su. Having got to there all I could do was reboot I tried <ls> nothing! Gnome was all that was available as KDE would only get as far as the second of its icons and then revert to the grey screen with the mouse pointer/cursor. I have no doubt whatsoever that all this was incompetence on my part, I'll bring a note book on Sunday for advice. I've also come up with a puzzling phenomena with the boot partition. -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Business Networking....
by Steve Purkiss 28 May '04

28 May '04

Off-topic but thought some of you may be interested - one of my other hats is running the A12 Club on www.ecademy.com - trying to bring a bit of the networking age to the countryside... so in case any of you are, please come along to our next meeting: The A12 Club is proud to present an evening of Tapas and Andrew Widgery featuring a splendid feast plus a talk on 'How Ecademy is working for so many and how you can make it work for you' by Andrew Widgery, National Development Director of Ecademy at D-Tapas, Chelmsford, Thursday 10th June at from 6pm Cost of the meal is £14.50 (excl. drinks of course) PLEASE NOTE NO-SHOWS WILL STILL HAVE TO PAY SO PLEASE ONLY REGISTER IF YOU ARE COMING We need 20 people for this to happen, please show your support (max. 42). There were 35 at Thomas Power's talk in Ipswich last year, so let's beat that! Register here: http://www.ecademy.com/module.php?mod=meeting&mid=5336 Look forward to meeting you all there, Steve Purkiss A12 Club -- Steve Purkiss Open for Organisations supporting open source software www.open4.org

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Slow Going For Linux In Iraq
by Craig 28 May '04

28 May '04

http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,63638,00.html Thought I'll drop this article in ALUG to speed up today ;) C

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Re: Boot Partitions
by John Seago 28 May '04

28 May '04

I have tried a seperate experiment with the boot partitions which as far as I can tell has seemed to work. The installation of Debian however was an entirely different matter. Being armed with "Learning Debian GNU/Linux" published in 1999 was of dubious value. The installer presented me with a plethora of questions which I didn't understand, let alone know the answers to, still blundered on and succeded in getting a poor broken thing which it will be kinder to re-format. One problem being that my hardware seems to be too new for the version of X, perhaps I could have got round that but I sem to have borken it so that it won't let me log in as root on a console. Another try is in order, as I don't know what I did wrong I'll just have to blunder through until I get one I can mend after installation. -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Temporary goodbye
by Syd Hancock 28 May '04

28 May '04

To all ALUGers: Unfortunately various events and commitments mean that I will be curtailing some of my extra activities for a while. These will have to include the amount of time I spend being involved with mailing lists etc and going to meetings of various types including ALUG. I hope that the evening meetings will continue regularly and that the meeting planned for the end of June at UEA is also very successful. Note that MJR will give a talk. More details on the website. Maybe one of the Norwich regulars could volunteer to announce the monthly meetings to the lists. I will probably not be reading the list for some time so if there are any comments that you want to be sure that I see, please direct them to my email address. Best wishes to all and many thanks for all the advice and support over the past three years. Hopefully I have contributed something useful in return. Syd

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[Alug Announce]Meetings 30 May, 10 June, Goodbye Syd, Help!
by MJ Ray 27 May '04

27 May '04

ALUG Announce Please send announcements to Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce ----- The next Sunday meeting is in Syleham on 30 May from about 2pm. There will be a talk about the euro-elections helping or harming ALUG. Venue and meeting details: http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2004/05-30Sun.html The next 'second thursday' evening meeting in Norwich will be held on Thursday, the 10th of June at the City Gate, Dereham Road, from about 8pm. Venue and meeting details: http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2004/all-NorThu.html Syd Hancock is taking a break, so we need someone else to co-ordinate Norwich meetings, remembering to announce and publicise them. Read Syd's goodbye at http://lists.alug.org.uk/main/2004-May/018838.html -- Thanks for all your work over the last few years, Syd! -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ for creative copyleft computing Help hack the EuroParl! http://mjr.towers.org.uk/proj/eurovote/ ----- Send discussion replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk (Reply-To set) Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce

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Early reminder: Norwich evening meeting on 10th June
by Syd Hancock 27 May '04

27 May '04

The next 'second thursday' evening meeting in Norwich will be held this Thursday, the 10th of June at the City Gate, Derham Road, from about 8pm. Full details are on the ALUG website: Venue and meeting details: http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2004/all-NorThu.html Venue: full address, photo, link to map etc here: http://www.norwichpubs.info/norwichpubs/pubpages/citygate.htm Syd

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New
by Sue Green 27 May '04

27 May '04

Hi Just dropping a hello in here. My name is Sue and I'm trying to convert from windows to Linux (why does it sound like AA meeting when you start with my name is ....) Anyway, have installed Cygwin on an NT machine for SSH fun and games and looking to replace the current server type unit here with a Linux one in the next round of upgrades. I'm officially IT manager of a small (um, two people including me) company, learning as I go. Anyhoos, I work in Ipswich, live in Kesgrave.. Will be lurking about reading your comments and might chip in with a few dumb questions here and there. Sue www.datadesign.co.uk www.textravaganza.com

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Software Patents
by John Seago 27 May '04

27 May '04

I have recieved this from the Green Party, which I find rather strange, I'd prefer everything in writing. any advice? Margaret Wright has offered to speak to you by 'phone - best probably to email her your tel no. From: Stephen Lawrence, 8 Supanee Court, French's Road, Cambridge, England, CB4 3LB. Tel/Fax +44 1223 564373 -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Boot partitions
by John Seago 27 May '04

27 May '04

later today I am planning to attempt, after years of using Slackware, an installation of Debian. I have two questions: a) I have the kernel for my Slackware in its own boot partition, as this suits my hardware I intend to use it for the Debian. Can I take it that the proceedure for using the same boot partition for two OS's is to delete the boot file from the second and write the boot partition into /etc/fstab and then reboot? b) I have the seven disks for Debian 3.0 r0, can I take it that I only need to buy the update disk for the latest version to upgrade to the latest stable version? -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Re: main digest, Vol 3 #164 - 9 msgs
by John Seago 26 May '04

26 May '04

On Wednesday Syd Hancock <syd(a)toufol.com> wrote: > I thought it might be worth replying to point out that the wishes of > the elected representatives are being thrown aside and if they wish > to prevent s/w patents they will need to vote against them when the > proposals come before the European Parliament again later this > year. As far as I was aware that was the intention, was it not? (See my initial post of Sunday).: > Just send this: > <What is the XXXXX party's policy on Software patents within europe?> > to the Conservatives, Labour, Liberal Democrats, BNP, Greens, English > Democrats and the Indepedents. It serves to make them think, and raises > the matter as an issue in this election. You can then follow it up with > whatever Mark has later -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Software Patents
by John Seago 26 May '04

26 May '04

I have received the following from the Green Party: "I can confirm that the Green Party is opposed to the EU proposals on software patenting, and supports open source operating systems such as Linux. The GP also wishes to see an end to the effective Microsoft monopoly in many software applications. Margaret Wright, our lead candidate for the European Election, attended a meeting in Brussels last month, at which the Federation of European Green Parties took this view. yours sincerely, John Matthissen Campaign Co-ordinator" -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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[Alug Announce][lugmaster] FW: SANE 2004: Call for Posters (fwd)
by MJ Ray 26 May '04

26 May '04

ALUG Announce Please send announcements to Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce ----- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 2004-05-17 21:06:46 +0100 From: Alasdair G Kergon <agk(a)lug.org.uk> Subject: [lugmaster] FW: SANE 2004: Call for Posters could you please pass this Call for Posters for SANE 2004 around?? The deadline is approaching and we need posters :) http://www.nluug.nl/events/sane2004/CfPosters.html ---------------------------------- Call for Posters 4th International SANE Conference September 27 - October 1, 2004 RAI Centre, Amsterdam, The Netherlands A conference organized by the NLUUG, the UNIX User Group - The Netherlands Co-sponsored by Stichting NLnet and with the co-operation of USENIX, the Advanced Computing Systems Association OVERVIEW Technology is advancing, the systems administration profession is changing rapidly, and you have to master new skills to keep apace. At the 4th International SANE (System Administration and Network Engineering) technical conference and tutorial tracks you'll find a wealth of opportunities to meet other system administrators and network (security) professionals with similar interests, while attending a program that brings you the latest in tools, techniques, security and networking. You can learn from tutorials, refereed papers and invited talks. The official language at the conference will be English. The conference will be located at the Amsterdam RAI Congress Centre. Included in the conference are: * Tutorial Program (September 27-29) * Technical Conference (September 30 - October 1) * Exhibition (September 30 - October 1) POSTER SESSIONS The SANE Posters provide an excellent forum for authors to present their work in an informal and interactive setting. Posters are ideal for presenting speculative, late-breaking results or for giving an introduction to interesting, innovative work. Posters are intended to provide authors and participants with the ability to connect with each other and to engage in discussions about the work. The posters will provide information about the applications, architecture, implementation, performance and security of modern computing systems and IP networks. Posters that present Work In Progress and draw important conclusions from practical experience are especially welcome. Posters are being solicited in areas including but not limited to: * Security tools and techniques: IPsec, Network Intrusion Detection * Systems, Firewalls, VPNs, practical cryptography, auditing and * computer forensics * Attacks against networks and machines, including denial-of-service * attacks * Adventures in nomadic and wireless computing * Web security fundamentals and practical web site maintenance * Integrating new networking technologies like IPv6 * Network monitoring and traffic shaping solutions * System and network performance tuning * Managing enterprise-wide email and fighting spam * Innovative system administration tools and techniques * Distributed or automated system administration * Managing large amounts of computers * Unix on the desktop (including MacOS X) REFEREED POSTER SUBMISSIONS Successful posters are carefully designed to convey technical details. They should also attract the attention of attendees as they stroll past the displays. The goal is to develop a poster that encourages and facilitates small groups of individuals interested in a technical area to gather and interact. Posters will be reviewed and selected by the Poster Committee. An award will be given at the conference for the best poster. A submission must include an abstract of up to 400 words. Including a rough sketch of the poster is recommended. Also include the URL of a web site related to the poster, if applicable. Submissions must be done through this web form Authors of accepted submissions must provide a one or two page summary for publication in the conference proceedings. This brings the subject to an even larger audience. These summaries are held in the highest confidence prior to publication in the conference proceedings. By agreeing to present your poster at SANE 2004, you also give permission to the SANE 2004 conference organizers to publish the poster and summary on the NLUUG and SANE web sites. PRACTICAL * One author per accepted poster can attend the conference, * exhibition and social event free of charge, excluding travel and * lodging expenses. * The posters will be located in a public area, close to the * exhibition, viewable for all conference attendees. * The size of the board for the poster is about 1.40 meter wide and * 1.00 meter high. Note that this is landscape orientation! Push * pins can be used to attach material to the board. * There is a small table beside each poster with room for leaflets * and a laptop for a live demo. If you need more room consider * getting a booth at the exhibition. * The posters are to be set up Wednesday evening, September 29. * During both lunch breaks someone must be present at the poster to * interact with conference attendees. At other times this is also * possible, putting a time schedule on the poster is recommended. IMPORTANT DATES Submission due: June 7, 2004 Notification to authors: June 28, 2004 Summary due: August 16, 2004 CONFERENCE ORGANIZERS Poster Committee sane2004-poster(a)sane.nl Bram Moolenaar (chair) Armijn Hemel, Utrecht University, Utrecht, NL Hans Onvlee, Stichting NLnet, Den Bosch, NL Peter Honeyman, CITI, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI, USA Event Organization sane2004-org(a)sane.nl Wytze van der Raay, treasurer, Stichting NLnet, Amsterdam, NL Mari??lle Klatten and Sabina Beeke, conference organizers, ICONIQ, Baarn, NL _______________________________________________ lugmaster mailing list lugmaster(a)mailman.lug.org.uk http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/lugmaster -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ for creative copyleft computing ----- Send discussion replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk (Reply-To set) Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce

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OCR for Linux
by Wayne Stallwood 25 May '04

25 May '04

Has anyone had experience of (or know of) a practical (and preferably open source) OCR application for Linux. I am looking for something that will play nicely with any scanner Sane recognises and is either scriptable or has a batch mode. Regards Wayne

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Software Patents
by John Seago 25 May '04

25 May '04

I have received the following from Rosalind Gill Liberal Democrat EP candidate for the East of England: "Dear Mr Seago, I have concerns about the EU Directive on the Patentability of Computer-Implemented Inventions. The party position is as follows We addressed the issue in the Liberal Democrat IT policy paper "Making IT Work" which was adopted at our Spring Conference in 2003. This made it clear that we are extremely sceptical about the application of patents in the software field. We state that we would "support continued widespread innovation in software by resisting the wider application of patents in this area." The full policy paper may be of interest to you and can be read in the policy section of our website at: http://www.libdems.org.uk/index.cfm/page.folders/section.policy/ folder.policy_papers Richard Allan MP, the Liberal Democrat Information Technology Spokesman, who has been campaigning actively for the Directive to be amended. He has raised this in correspondence and meetings with the relevant Ministers and liaised with colleagues in the European Parliament and campaign groups. Most recently, Richard lobbied Jacqui Smith MP as the Minister representing the UK at the Competitiveness Council to try and persuade her to reconsider the Government's support for the current draft of the Directive. I attach an extract from his letter to the Minister: "Software is very different from other inventions that are appropriate for the patent system. In the software world there is no shortage of ideas but rather the difficulty lies in implementing these ideas. It is the production of the code that is difficult and this is adequately covered by copyright law which safeguards the returns of the author. This is very different from fields such as pharmaceuticals where the hard work lies in the research that produces the discovery. There is a public interest in a patent granted to an invention that has been produced after challenging and expensive research as this enables others to use it under license conditions. There is no such public interest in awarding a patent to a computer related invention that many other people are likely to arrive at with very little outlay. "The response from the patent authorities is often that the inventiveness test means that they will not grant patents to discoveries that others could easily arrive at. However, the speed of progress in the IT field means that what is not obvious today may frequently be obvious tomorrow. "A very good case that highlights the inappropriateness of broad patentability in this field is the Bromcom case. This case is being conducted by the Department for Education and Skills who are seeking to break a patent awarded for the use of wireless network systems to transmit pupil data. This was deemed to be inventive in 1993 when the patent was applied for but would now be seen as trivial with today's wireless network systems. "What we are faced with because of the Bromcom patent is a situation that is harmful to the public interest in a number of respects. "Firstly, it could require schools to pay license fees using public money whenever they wish to implement pupil management systems over wireless networks. The DfES has presumably mounted its legal action as it sees this as a better value option than paying the license fees. "Secondly, it has created uncertainty in the market thereby discouraging a range of suppliers from creating products in this area. It has acted to reduce the quality of product by existing suppliers. "Thirdly, it acts as a disincentive for any new small supplier to get into this business. The fact that they would need the financial and legal expertise to deal with patent and licensing claims means that many small businesses will stay out of these product areas leading to a reduction in overall innovation. "The Bromcom patent was issued under the existing rules. It involves hardware as well as software so is presumably covered by the Directive as a computer-implemented invention rather than being pure software. I would suggest that a very good test for the Directive would be to see if it will allow the Bromcom patent through. If the answer is yes then this contributes to the argument for there to be a tightening of the definition of patentability rather than just a continuation of the status quo as currently seems to be on offer. "I hope that your officials will be able to liaise with the DfES to look into the Bromcom patent case as this is such a prime example of the threat that many people fear may result from the unamended Directive. "In general terms, the fear is that we may inadvertently create a situation in which innovation is reduced rather than increased, where far from helping small businesses to exploit their products we set them at a disadvantage against large businesses that can afford patent lawyers and legal action, and where the public interest as a whole suffers as license fees have to be paid for discoveries that would anyway be made." The Westminster parliamentary party will continue to press the Government on this issue as the Directive proceeds through its legislative stages. I hope this is helpful to you. Yours Rosalind Gill Liberal Democrat EP candidate for the East of England" -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Re: Software Patents
by John Seago 25 May '04

25 May '04

Syd Hancock <syd(a)toufol.com> wrote: > Interesting to note that the responses are now over-taken by events. > Worth responding to perhaps? How have events overtaken the responses, (I live a rather insulated life), and what is the suggested response? I won't be back at my keyboard until around tea time. -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Software Patents
by John Seago 25 May '04

25 May '04

Having yesterday, (in order to keep myself going for a full day), filled myself up with prescription painkillers, I made several mistakes, one of which was attributing the reply from the assistant to Andrew Duff to the Labour Party, when it was in fact from the Liberal Democrats. -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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FW: CONFERENCE - Mobile Computing - Sept 20, 2004 - London - ASC
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 25 May '04

25 May '04

Hi Folks, The following was sent to the 'allstat' mailing list this morning. Maybe some readers will be involved in using Linux for this sort of thing, and may be interested in contributing or attending. Best wishes to all, Ted. -----FW: <40B2FCB0.6040301(a)essex.ac.uk>----- Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 08:58:40 +0100 Sender: A UK-based worldwide e-mail broadcast system mailing list <allstat(a)JISCMAIL.AC.UK> From: Randy Banks <randy(a)ESSEX.AC.UK> To: allstat(a)JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: CONFERENCE - Mobile Computing - Sept 20, 2004 - London - ASC ************************************************************** *** an announcement from The Association for Survey Computing. *** Apologies for any cross-postings ************************************************************** MOBILE COMPUTING Thursday 30th September 2004 Imperial College, London FIRST ANNOUNCEMENT AND CALL FOR PAPERS We are inviting contributions from organisations that are either developing or exploiting new technology in the field of mobile data collection. The platforms being used include PCs, PDAs, tablets, mobile telephones; running a variety of operating systems and using both off-the-shelf and bespoke software. Proposals for presentations should be sent in as soon as possible, and no later than 30th June. The conference will explore both the opportunities and limitations of the mobile mode with particular reference to: * Usability for both respondent and data collector * Sampling implications * Quality control * Limitations in the length of questionnaire and the size of the dataset * Communicating with the host * Cost and efficiency benefits Our audience will be seeking answers to a number of questions: * Will PDAs replace mobile telephones, or vice versa? * Can Microsoft dent Palm�s current supremacy � is there anyone else out there? * How well do interviewers and respondents cope with these technologies? * What�s the lifecycle of the hardware? * What are the compatibility issues surrounding the various hardware and software platforms? * Does the mode have any influence on the answers that respondents give? Synopses from potential speakers and expressions of interest from delegates and exhibitors should be addressed to: ASC Administrator: Diana Elder, ASC, PO Box 60, Chesham, Bucks HP5 3QH, UK Phone & Fax: +44 (0) 1494 793033, E-Mail: Admin {a} asc.org.uk The full programme, with the selected contributions, will be announced in July. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Please reply to: Diana Elder, Administrator (admin(a)asc.org.uk) ASC, PO Box 60, Chesham, Bucks, UK HP5 3QH tel/fax: +44 (0)1494 793033 http://www.asc.org.uk This message has been sent on behalf the ASC by: Randy Banks (randy(a)essex.ac.uk) Institute for Social and Economic Research (ISER) University of Essex, Colchester, UK CO4 3SQ --------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------End of forwarded message-------------------------

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European Elections
by John Seago 25 May '04

25 May '04

So far I have had these: From UKIP: > Dear Mr Seago > Thank you for this email. Mr Titford has asked me to respond. > Please be re-assured that we will do all we can to oppose the patenting > of software ideas. > > However, to do this we will need YOUR help. We can only do this if we get > a massive vote on June 10th in the European elections. That would shake > the political elite to the core and make them realise that sovereignty > is not theirs to give away. Which has the benefit of being brief, concise, and probably sincere. -- This from the conservatives: "Dear Mr Seago, Thank you for your email. The European Commission published a draft Directive in February of last year as it become increasingly clear that European law on patenting software needed to be clarified. The aim of the Directive is to set out and defend the status quo in Europe following changes to the patent system in the USA and also planned for Japan. There is a clear intention across the EU Member States to see that Europe does not follow the USA and Japan in allowing widespread patent availability for software and business methods. Copyright will remain the principal method of protecting intellectual property in these cases. Conservative MEPs in the European Parliament supported the general line that the Commission took. This builds on and clarifies the existing patent law across the European Union and makes it clear that only software which forms part of a technological process will be patentable. This will allow patents to be provided for genuine technical inventions and stimulate European economic development in areas of economic strength like mobile telephony, digital television and computer controlled machine tools to name just a few possibilities. Such an approach would be compatible with national patent laws in the Member States and international treaties including TRIPS. The Directive originally proposed by the Commission set a fair test for software (deciding whether it has a technical effect) before authorising a patent. Under their proposal, any technical invention in a field outside software could have been patented and it did not make sense for technical inventions, which happened to use computers to be excluded from the system. Conservatives supported the Commission's proposal because we believe that codification of the existing position would also have avoided raising complicated issues of the validity of existing patents across Europe or allowing current unpatentable technologies to claim new patents. This would have allowed European businesses the chance to develop ideas with certainty as to their legal position. It would also have reduced the pressure from companies holding permissive American software patents that wished to gain an extension of their patent rights in Europe. We did, however, support a number of amendments to clarify the text and ensure that generic software patents were specifically excluded. The European Parliament voted on the Commission's proposal at the end of last year. It approved the principle of a clarifying directive by a substantial majority, thus moving the proposal to its next stage of negotiations between the EU Member Governments (Council) and the European Commission. The political objectives of providing the EU with a patent regime that explicitly excluded software and business processing was clearly established. However the Parliament also approved a wide range of amendments to the proposal, with the laudable intention of ensuring that patents would only be available for inventions incorporating software as party of a technical contribution. However many of these amendments would render the Directive completely unworkable and greatly restrict the scope of the original proposal. It is important to recognise that this Directive is intended to clarify the existing EU patents regime, and is not, of itself a free-standing piece of legislation. Many of the amendments would introduce new concepts into the law covering all patents and also extend patent restrictions to new ranges of products where innovations can quite justifiably, be protected at the moment. The Directive has now moved to the Council where the Governments of the Member States are amending it. Their negotiations are confidential but they are expected to propose a text close to the position which the European Commission bought forward originally and similar to the pragmatic approach which Conservatives support. We will continue to press the Commission and Council to produce a revised proposal that will achieve its political objectives, be fully compatible with existing patent law, and provide a clearly understood regime for inventions. In the next Parliament, we will not hesitate to propose further amendments that will safeguard Europe's approach to generic software patents. I hope this is helpful, Yours sincerely, Richard N" -- Having sent me a Microsoft® attachment the Labour party then sent me this: "I am convinced of the need for EU legislation in this area. Otherwise there will be an unstoppable drift towards the patenting of computer software, as there is in the USA. Many small and medium-sized firms in the East of England have told me of their concern that patenting will restrict their ability to write new and better software without infringing the rules. But, at the same time, SMEs will benefit if the proposed Directive succeeds in establishing clear ground rules. A uniform approach across the EU will save companies time and money in protecting their intellectual property in computer engineering and improve legal certainty. However, MEPs also voted to limit the scope of the legislation to affect new inventions only. The Parliament also revised the Commission's definitions of computer implemented inventions to try to protect the legitimate interests of individual software writers and small firms. On a Liberal initiative, a grace period of six months is proposed to allow market testing before the filing of a patent application. Crucially, the Parliament supported amendments to ensure that patent law cannot override interoperability of systems. In this complex area of legislation the EU is right to act with caution. It has been difficult to strike a balance between the need for license fees on the one hand and the imperative for competition on the other. The European software industry needs a better patent system than the out-dated one we have now if it is to be helped to remain creative. Many thousands of jobs in the East of England would be affected by a heavy-handed approach to software patenting. Cambridge is Europe's biggest cluster of the software industry, so the issue is of European as well as local importance. This law will help the smart innovation for which our region is world renowned. I will be working to ensure that nothing will be patentable in the future that is not patentable now. Patents must only be available for things that make a technical contribution to a true invention. And any EU legislation must be compatible with our international agreements. The draft proposal is now in the hands of the Council of Ministers who are certain to seek to modify the Parliament's position in the direction of the Commission's initial proposal. Once the Council has adopted its common position the proposal will pass back to the Parliament for a second reading, before its final adoption, probably in September." -- Sid's suggestion that letters be written does have the effect that it costs them money to send a reply, however the above evidence of a prepared documents indicates that differing replies are unlikely. Further it is going to cost you, I think you may have to write to at least 30 Candidates. The main point is to make it an issue. As there is already a prepared document it would seem to me that it has already been marked up as 'an issue'. A non-stop stream of emails raising the matter will reinforce the opinion that it is an issue which a section of the voters are exercised by. -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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ATX case
by Joe Button 25 May '04

25 May '04

Hi. I've got most of the bits of a new PC kicking about, so I thought I'd stick them together and see what happened. I think the only thing I'm missing is a case - don't suppose anyone's got one spare, or knows where I could pick one up dirt cheap? Ta.

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newbie wants to install libraries
by Parker, Bruce 24 May '04

24 May '04

Hello - I am a newcomer to linux (mandrake) and I am coding in C++. I am trying to get a comfortable setup together with a nice ide (anjuta) and a gui library (wxWindows using gtk). It is proving very tiresome. So far I have gathered that to get anjuta working and wxWindows I need recent versions of gtk (2.4.0). To install this however I need a recent version of Pango(whatever that is). To install Pango I need a recent versio of GLib (whatever that is). So I am trying to install GLib. So I download it, unzip it and tar it so that I have a glib-2.4.0 directory. I go inside it and do the usual: ./configure make make install (as root) And all is well. Only I notice that in /usr/include there remains an old directory called glib-2.0 and no newer 2.4.0 one. Now when I do the same with Pango the configure script tells me it finds only an old version of glib. I don't know how it works that out. So either the 2.4.0 hasn't installed or its presence is not felt by pango. The pango configure script suggests playing around with PKG_CONFIG (an apparently empty variable) to help pango find the version... At this point I do no know what to do, I have read and reread all the docs and looked at the configure script. Can someone help please as it is driving me mad - either directly or can you recommend somewhere on the web where that people love to help with problems like this? Thanks. Bruce

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main-admin ?
by Syd Hancock 24 May '04

24 May '04

Who is/are main-admin@ lists.alug.org.uk ? Syd

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Re: [ALUG] Software patents
by John Seago 24 May '04

24 May '04

On Monday 24 May 2004 10:47, you wrote: > Do you have a list of contact names and addresses for the local > parties/candidates? I'm simply thinking that you may well have done > a lot of the leg-work already. In which case it will be helpful to > avoid duplicating time and effort. If not then perhaps we can work > together on researching the info. I used the Web mail available on the Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrat Party sites, and the contacts I found on the other party sites were: enquiries(a)englishdemocrats.org.uk freedom(a)bnp.org.uk astern(a)ukip.org office(a)greenparty.org.uk It may be useful to find the email addresses of the individual candidates -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Software Patents
by John Seago 24 May '04

24 May '04

I have received an answer on the above subject from an assistant to Andrew Duff MEP, (which I did try forwarding to the list, but it awaits moderation). Which seems to entirely have missed the point as the reply was a Microsoft Attachment! -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Software Patents
by John Seago 24 May '04

24 May '04

Could you please tell me what your views of Software patents within Europe are? -- John Seago 19 Dakings Drift Halesworth Suffolk IP19 8TQ

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Software patents
by John Seago 24 May '04

24 May '04

Green party Candidates http://www.easterngreenparty.org.uk/gp-euro-cand-2004.html -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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software patents
by John Seago 24 May '04

24 May '04

Lib Dem Candidates Email addresses http://www.libdems.org.uk/index.cfm/page.euroresults/section.home -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Software patents
by John Seago 24 May '04

24 May '04

Here are the addresses of the Conservative Candidates for the East of England: ecnormington(a)aol.com gvanorden(a)europarl.eu.int sturdy(a)europarl.eu.int cbeazley(a)europarl.eu.int jonathan(a)morgan2004.com strongcpa(a)aol.com Please remember to remove any signature line, (as with mine below), which indicates which side of the question you are likely to be on! Initially we need to make them think, and give an honest answer. Later we can present the material Mark is preparing. -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Software patents
by John Seago 24 May '04

24 May '04

Further to my previous post, here are the start points for the three largest parties. Others may be able to refine these to individuals Email addresses. http://www.conservatives.com/meps/candidates.cfm http://www.labour.org.uk/britainisworking/europeancandidates http://www.east.libdems.org/euromessage.htm -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Gentoo driving me mad
by Charles Garcia-Tobin 24 May '04

24 May '04

Hello all I'm doing a gentoo install on my shuttle cube, and I am gravitating towards utter lunacy! Basically the motherboard has all the nvidia nforce bits. Consequently until I can compile the kernel I can't put in the drivers for my NIC. No problem you download the universal livecd and uncompress stage1 and the the necessary bits should be there. Under usr/portage/distfiles I should have the necessary files to get me up to kernel level .... except there are a few minor things missing, you know little things like gcc or glibc, ... Ok so that's still only a minor problem, I can find out the list of missing files, reboot into windows, download them to a shared partition and off I go. Conviniently the bootstrap script that sets every up has a --fetchonly (-f) option will list all the missing packages. So I do bootstrap -f > /tmp/files oh bother most of the packages are coming out to stderr ok so I rephrase bootstrap -f 2>&1> /tmp/files It's still doing it I can't the list into /tmp/files aarrrrhhhh I'm not a bash expert but I thought the above syntax was ok So in short does anyone know how I can get this list of files before they put the straight jacket on me and I can't even type!! Cheers Charles

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Software patents
by John Seago 24 May '04

24 May '04

I note that there was some interest in discussing my post on the above subject. Was there the same level of interest in undertaking my suggested course of action? -- John Seago

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Re: main digest, Vol 3 #160 - 12 msgs
by John Seago 24 May '04

24 May '04

On Sunday 23 May 2004 06:25, Joe Button <alug(a)joebutton.co.uk>wrote: Joe Button <alug(a)joebutton.co.uk> > I'd be interested if it was on another date, and more interested still > if it was in Norwich. > > Really I just want someone to tell me what to do, rather than explain > the issues. I'm happy to lobby my MEP but I don't know what I'm supposed > to suggest that he does at the moment. Just send this: <What is the XXXXX party's policy on Software patents within europe?> to the Conservatives, Labour, Liberal Democrats, BNP, Greens, English Democrats and the Indepedents. It serves to make them think, and raises the matter as an issue in this election. You can then follow it up with whatever Mark has later -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 24 May '04

24 May '04

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Re: [ALUG] Neil just joined.
by C. Neil Bauers 23 May '04

23 May '04

>>My name is Neil. >> >>I'm a teacher. >> >>I teach many Computing and ICT topics but of possible interest to this group is the installation and use of Linux, Apache, >MySQL and PHP with FTP and SSH in there too. I'm keen to learn more as I'm fairly new to all these topics (especially about security and SQL). > > >Hi Neil, > >Where do you teach? Secondary/primary/college? >Wish someone at my daughter's school would teach this stuff! > >Jenny Hi Jenny. I teach at East Norfolk Sixth Form College - Gorleston - Great Yarmouth. This is a Sixth Form College (16 plus students and some adults) We mostly teach this stuff to the BTEC students. I like the BTEC programmes. The syllabus encourages us to use up-to-date software and does not restrict us to Windows. Neil.

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Previous post
by John Seago 23 May '04

23 May '04

I do apologise for not altering the Subject Line on my Post on Software Patents. -- John Seago Linux User #219566 (http://counter.li.org)

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Verifying CDs
by Joe Button 23 May '04

23 May '04

Hi. While thinking about making some free CDs to give out to people, it occurred to me that I'm suggesting people but CDRs of dubious provenance into their PCs and boot from them, which is probably not a good thing to be suggesting. I was wondering if there was any way people could verify their CD's md5sum against the 'official' one from the distro site. The two hurdles that immediately present themselves are: 1) I don't know how to get an md5sum from a CD once it's been burnt, or whether it would generate the same md5sum as the iso anyway and 2) The target users won't have a Gnu/Linux system with the relevant utilities on. Any suggestions? Joe PS my apologies for nasty pronoun disagreement in second para - feel free to suggest more grammatical rewordings

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Software patents...
by Steve Purkiss 22 May '04

22 May '04

Seen as you're talking about it: -----Forwarded Message----- > From: Steve Purkiss <steve(a)open4.org> > To: Lsp-Discussion <lsp-discussion(a)linuxsolutionproviders.co.uk> > Subject: [LSP-discussion] Richard Stallman 2nite > Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 12:36:09 +0100 > > I'm tempted... anyone else going? > > > Date: 20 May 2004 23:53:20 -0000 > > From: uk-help(a)ffii.org > > To: aaron(a)aaronhorn.co.uk > > Subject: Today (Friday): Richard Stallman and MEP candidates - patents meeting in London > > > > Dear FFII supporter, > > > > Richard Stallman will be giving a one hour talk on software patents in > > London tonight (Friday). > > > > Following the talk, a panel of representatives from the political > > parties will comment, and lay out their party positions.* > > > > > > Richard Stallman > > "The Dangers of Software Patents" > > > > Friday 21 May, 6pm > > > > Cruciform Building, Lecture Theatre #1, > > University College London, > > Gower Street. > > > > The event is free, and all are welcome. > > > > > > Nearest tubes are: > > Euston Square (Circle line, Metropolitan line) > > Warren Street (Victoria line, Northern line) > > > > > > Map: http://www.bcsb.lon.ac.uk/map_mainsiteb&wcrucihighlighted.jpg > > > > > > * Green party, Lib Dems, and UKIP representatives now confirmed. > > Labour and Conservative participation pending. > > > > Organised by the Foundation for Information Policy Research (FIPR), in > > association with the Foundation for a Free Information Infrastructure > > (FFII). > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Uk-help maillist > > Subscribe through the project system http://www.ffii.org/assoc/knecht/proj/, fine-tune via http://lists.ffii.org/mailman/listinfo/uk-help > > http://lists.ffii.org/mailman/listinfo/uk-help -- Steve Purkiss Open for Organisations supporting open source software www.open4.org

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Anarchist Bookfair
by MJ Ray 22 May '04

22 May '04

There's an Anarchist Bookfair in Norwich in June. http://twotins.tripod.com/onesolutionanarchistrevolution/id21.html Does anyone (especially anyone with experience of ABs or Norwich Anarchists) want to try selling at-cost CDs of free software at this? Do we have any freebies we could give out? If there's interest, I'll help, but I can't be in Norwich that day IIRC. -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ for creative copyleft computing

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Neil just joined.
by nbauers＠samphire.demon.co.uk 21 May '04

21 May '04

Hi. My name is Neil. I'm a teacher. I teach many Computing and ICT topics but of possible interest to this group is the installation and use of Linux, Apache, MySQL and PHP with FTP and SSH in there too. I'm keen to learn more as I'm fairly new to all these topics (especially about security and SQL). Cheers. Neil.

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RE: [ALUG] Software patents
by Jenny Hopkins 21 May '04

21 May '04

-----Original Message----- > From: Joe Button [mailto:alug@joebutton.co.uk] > Hi > > Does anyone here actually understand what the situation is > with software > patents in Europe? As I understand it we've basically just > been shafted by > the Council of Ministers. Is there anything we should be > doing at this point? > Has anyone been in touch with Richard Howitt? > > Joe > Joe, there's a pretty active discussion list archived here: http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/fsfe-uk/ Jen > ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________

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Software patents
by Joe Button 21 May '04

21 May '04

Hi Does anyone here actually understand what the situation is with software patents in Europe? As I understand it we've basically just been shafted by the Council of Ministers. Is there anything we should be doing at this point? Has anyone been in touch with Richard Howitt? Joe

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Export Outlook contacts to LDAP
by Chris Glover 21 May '04

21 May '04

Hi, Bit of a long one this... pay attention at the back :-) I've got he address book in my phone now syncronised with Outlook, what I want to do now, is convert Outlook contacts into something usefull... LDAP! I really don't like using Outlook at the best of times. Does anyone know a way of converting Outlook exported data, .pst. .csv etc into an ldif file. Ultimately I want to run Openldap on my linux machine, import the data, and hopefully do something fancy with Asterisk PBX. I'm currently bidding for a Cisco 7960 which can use LDAP. Many Thanks Chris -- Chris ---------------------------------- E Mail: chris(a)glovercc.clara.co.uk SIP: 84411389(a)voiptalk.org IAXTEL: 17003366726

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RE: [ALUG] mini usbdrive and permissions
by Jenny Hopkins 21 May '04

21 May '04

> -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Dye [mailto:jon@pecorous.co.uk] > Sent: 21 May 2004 10:51 > To: Jenny Hopkins > Cc: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > Subject: Re: [ALUG] mini usbdrive and permissions > > > Jenny Hopkins wrote: > > Morning, > > Does anyone know if I can do anything about my mini usbdrive and > > permissions? Because I have to mount it vfat, any linux > files I copy > > to and from end up with ownership and permissions > completely screwed. > > It's an Iomega somethingorother and I mount it thusly: > mount /dev/sda1 > > /mnt/usbdrive -t vfat > > You could mount it as umsdos rather than vfat. From the kernel > documentation: > > "Umsdos is not a file system per se, but a twist to make a > boring one into a useful one. > > It gives you: > > long file names > Permissions and owners > Links > Special files (devices, pipes...) > All that is needed to be a linux root fs." > > > The first time you mount the usb device you'll have to run > umssync /mnt/usbdrive to create the magic --linux-.--- files > which actually store the owner/group and permission stuff but > after that if you mount the drive as umsdos then everything > should just look unixy from then on. > > JD > This seems to have confused the device a bit. Below is a log of what I was attempting to do, starting with including the umsdos module in the running kernel. Now I can't mount the device umsdos without the process hanging and getting a D, or mounting elsewhere as vfat as it says /sda1 is already mounted (but if I try to umount it it says it isn't mounted) Thanks, jen <--SNIP--> if [ -r System.map ]; then /sbin/depmod -ae -F System.map 2.4.20; fi ducati:/usr/src/linux-2.4.20# mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbdrive/ -t umsdos ducati:/usr/src/linux-2.4.20# umssync /mnt/usbdrive bash: umssync: command not found ducati:/usr/src/linux-2.4.20# apt-cache search umssync ducati:/usr/src/linux-2.4.20# apt-cache search umsdos umsdos - utilities for controlling a umsdos filesystem ducati:/usr/src/linux-2.4.20# apt-get install umsdos Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following NEW packages will be installed: umsdos 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 191 not upgraded. Need to get 18.7kB of archives. After unpacking 65.5kB of additional disk space will be used. Get:1 ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org testing/main umsdos 1.13-2.1 [18.7kB] Fetched 18.7kB in 17s (1063B/s) Selecting previously deselected package umsdos. (Reading database ... 51207 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking umsdos (from .../umsdos_1.13-2.1_i386.deb) ... Setting up umsdos (1.13-2.1) ... Syncing UMSDOS filesystems ... ducati:/usr/src/linux-2.4.20# umssync /mnt/usbdrive This utility must operate on a directory of a umsdos mounted file system. Even an msdos file system won't do. If this is the case umount the file system and remount it as a umsdos one. ducati:/usr/src/linux-2.4.20# umount /mnt/usbdrive Segmentation fault ducati:/usr/src/linux-2.4.20# mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbdrive/ -t umsdos ....and i was left hanging here. ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________

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RE: re. [ALUG] Neil just joined.
by Jenny Hopkins 21 May '04

21 May '04

> -----Original Message----- > From: Craig [mailto:c@wizball.co.uk] > Sent: 21 May 2004 11:26 > To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > Subject: Re: re. [ALUG] Neil just joined. > > > > On 21 May 2004, at 10:22, Jenny Hopkins wrote: > > > Wish someone at my daughter's school would teach this stuff! > > And then your daughter starts to submit kernel patches.......... > > C > It'll be great, I can just give her extra pocket money to be the household's network and sysadmin and I can go off and dig the garden or something. Jen ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________

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re. [ALUG] Neil just joined.
by Jenny Hopkins 21 May '04

21 May '04

>My name is Neil. > >I'm a teacher. > >I teach many Computing and ICT topics but of possible interest to this group is the installation and use of Linux, Apache, >MySQL and PHP with FTP and SSH in there too. I'm keen to learn more as I'm fairly new to all these topics (especially >about security and SQL). Hi Neil, Where do you teach? Secondary/primary/college? Wish someone at my daughter's school would teach this stuff! Jenny ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________

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mini usbdrive and permissions
by Jenny Hopkins 21 May '04

21 May '04

Morning, Does anyone know if I can do anything about my mini usbdrive and permissions? Because I have to mount it vfat, any linux files I copy to and from end up with ownership and permissions completely screwed. It's an Iomega somethingorother and I mount it thusly: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbdrive -t vfat Thanks Jenny ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________

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[Alug Announce][lugmaster] Richard Stallman and MEP candidates - patents meeting in London tomorrow (Friday)
by James Heald 21 May '04

21 May '04

ALUG Announce Please send announcements to Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce ----- Following the vote in favour of software patents on Tuesday in the Council of Ministers, it is now especially important to make MEP candidates aware of how significant this is. It's a 300 seater lecture theatre, and this has had to be organised at the last minute, so please help us publicise it and get the word out. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Stallman will be giving a one hour talk tomorrow (Friday) on software patents in London at UCL. Following the talk, a panel of representatives from the political parties will comment, and lay out their party positions.* Richard Stallman "The Dangers of Software Patents" Friday 21 May, 6pm Cruciform Building, Lecture Theatre #1, University College London, Gower Street. The event is free, and all are welcome. Nearest tubes are: Euston Square (Circle line, Metropolitan line) Warren Street (Victoria line, Northern line) Map: http://www.bcsb.lon.ac.uk/map_mainsiteb&wcrucihighlighted.jpg * Green party, Lib Dems, and UKIP representatives now confirmed. Labour and Conservative participation pending. Organised by the Foundation for Information Policy Research (FIPR), in association with the Foundation for a Free Information Infrastructure (FFII). ------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ lugmaster mailing list lugmaster(a)mailman.lug.org.uk http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/lugmaster ----- Send discussion replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk (Reply-To set) Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce

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"5 years of ALUG" meeting report
by Syd Hancock 20 May '04

20 May '04

Brief report and photos of this meeting now on the website: http://www.alug.org.uk/articles/2004/05-02Sun-report.html Syd

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Knoppix AFU for hams
by Nick Daniels 18 May '04

18 May '04

Hi Someone has kindly downloaded a Knoppix CD for radio hams for me. http://www.afu-knoppix.de/ if anybody would like a copy could they please contact me off list. Can I install this to hard disc? I have come across a vague reference to KNX HDINSTALL Regards Nick Daniels

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When its easy its easy
by Sue Green 18 May '04

18 May '04

Phew, after taking three weeks to learn how to install and set up cygwin the first time round I managed it in under an hour today - suspect I forgot something important. But have tested it internally and it works, just waiting for firewall guys to adjust port forwarding and then hey presto watch the world arrive on my NT4 laptop. Suspicions are that SSH is eating NT4 memory and I cant afford to reboot the current ssh hosting machine every day as it also runs our teletext inserter equipment/software. So hopefully Ive got it running on a different machine which I can boot at will (insert boot + window comment) Sue Message: 2 Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 10:41:26 +0100 From: Brett Parker <iDunno(a)sommitrealweird.co.uk> To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [ALUG] Re: hello On Mon, May 17, 2004 at 10:31:14AM +0100, Sue Green wrote: > Brett/Chris > > Thanks for the warm welcome and introductions.. Ive just been using > Cygwin for a week or so. Took me about three weeks and the added > patience of a saint in respect of help from an IT guy who does our web site stuff for us. > In itself it proves to be pretty stable but the NT machine it is > running on is in the process of a nervous breakdown. Ahhh! It's not just our NT server that's having a nervous breakdown then! (Well, ours is having a little more of a strop than it really should be... it *CAN'T* see the outside world *except* through a local proxy, but there's no reason that it shouldn't be able to that we can see... It randomly decides to put all web sites in the stop state when ever it feels like it, *and* it won't install a critical update :/) Very very glad that my side of work is mostly on our nux boxen, much *much* easier to cope with :) Cheers, -- Brett Parker

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Re: hello
by Sue Green 17 May '04

17 May '04

Brett/Chris Thanks for the warm welcome and introductions.. Ive just been using Cygwin for a week or so. Took me about three weeks and the added patience of a saint in respect of help from an IT guy who does our web site stuff for us. In itself it proves to be pretty stable but the NT machine it is running on is in the process of a nervous breakdown. We run a Pervasive database tool on that machine as well as standard FTP server .. Sue Green -----Original Message----- From: main-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk [mailto:main-admin@lists.alug.org.uk] On Behalf Of main-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk Sent: 15 May 2004 06:26 To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: main digest, Vol 3 #151 - 3 msgs

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 17 May '04

17 May '04

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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(no subject)
by douglas.roberts＠lineone.net 16 May '04

16 May '04

Hi Everyone, I've just had NTL broadband installed and I'm racking my brains trying figure out how to get dhcpcd working (and there's been much rolling of eyes and nashing of teeth). I think the command is something like #dhclient or #dhcpcd -D -H eth0 Any advice greatly appreciated I'm running Slack 9.1 dmesg dhcpcd[1318]: timed out waiting for a valid DHCP server response # ethtool eth0 Settings for eth0: Supported ports: [ TP MII ] Supported link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full Supports auto-negotiation: Yes Advertised link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes Speed: 10Mb/s Duplex: Half Port: MII PHYAD: 1 Transceiver: internal Auto-negotiation: on Current message level: 0x00000001 (1) Link detected: yes #lspci -v 00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8375 [KM266/KL266] Host Bridge Subsystem: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 0000 Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 8 Memory at e0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=32M] Capabilities: [a0] AGP version 2.0 Capabilities: [c0] Power Management version 2 00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8633 [Apollo Pro266 AGP] (prog-if 00 [Normal decode]) Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, medium devsel, latency 0 Bus: primary=00, secondary=01, subordinate=01, sec-latency=0 I/O behind bridge: 0000c000-0000cfff Memory behind bridge: dfe00000-dfefffff Prefetchable memory behind bridge: d7b00000-dfcfffff Capabilities: [80] Power Management version 2 00:08.0 USB Controller: ALi Corporation USB 1.1 Controller (rev 03) (prog-if 10 [OHCI]) Subsystem: ALi Corporation USB 1.1 Controller Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 11 Memory at dfffc000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K] Capabilities: [60] Power Management version 2 00:08.1 USB Controller: ALi Corporation USB 1.1 Controller (rev 03) (prog-if 10 [OHCI]) Subsystem: ALi Corporation USB 1.1 Controller Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 5 Memory at dfffd000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K] Capabilities: [60] Power Management version 2 00:08.2 USB Controller: ALi Corporation USB 1.1 Controller (rev 03) (prog-if 10 [OHCI]) Subsystem: ALi Corporation USB 1.1 Controller Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 11 Memory at dfffe000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K] Capabilities: [60] Power Management version 2 00:08.3 USB Controller: ALi Corporation USB 2.0 Controller (rev 01) (prog-if 20 [EHCI]) Subsystem: ALi Corporation USB 2.0 Controller Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 12 Memory at dfffff00 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256] Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2 Capabilities: [58] #0a [2090] 00:09.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6105 [Rhine-III] (rev 86) Subsystem: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 0105 Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 11 I/O ports at ec00 [size=256] Memory at dffffe00 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256] Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 2 00:11.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233 PCI to ISA Bridge Subsystem: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 0000 Flags: bus master, stepping, medium devsel, latency 0 Capabilities: [c0] Power Management version 2 00:11.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) (prog-if 8a [Master SecP PriP]) Subsystem: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT8233/A/C/VT8235 PIPC Bus Master IDE Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 255 I/O ports at fc00 [size=16] Capabilities: [c0] Power Management version 2 00:11.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 1b) (prog-if 00 [UHCI]) Subsystem: VIA Technologies, Inc. (Wrong ID) USB Controller Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 11 I/O ports at d800 [size=32] Capabilities: [80] Power Management version 2 00:11.3 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 1b) (prog-if 00 [UHCI]) Subsystem: VIA Technologies, Inc. (Wrong ID) USB Controller Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 11 I/O ports at dc00 [size=32] Capabilities: [80] Power Management version 2 00:11.4 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 1b) (prog-if 00 [UHCI]) Subsystem: VIA Technologies, Inc. (Wrong ID) USB Controller Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 11 I/O ports at e000 [size=32] Capabilities: [80] Power Management version 2 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 30) Subsystem: VIA Technologies, Inc.: Unknown device 4161 Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 5 I/O ports at e400 [size=256] Capabilities: [c0] Power Management version 2 00:11.6 Communication controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. Intel 537 [AC97 Modem] (rev 70) Subsystem: SILICON Laboratories: Unknown device 4c21 Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 5 I/O ports at e800 [size=256] Capabilities: [d0] Power Management version 2 00:12.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 70) Subsystem: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine II] Embeded Ethernet Controller on VT8235 Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 12 I/O ports at d400 [size=256] Memory at dffffd00 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256] Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 2 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: STMicroelectronics STG4000 [3D Prophet Kyro Series] (rev 01) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) Subsystem: Hercules: Unknown device c028 Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 12 Memory at d8000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=64M] Memory at dfc80000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=512K] I/O ports at c800 [size=256] Expansion ROM at dfee0000 [disabled] [size=128K] Capabilities: [40] AGP version 2.0 Capabilities: [60] Power Management version 2 Cheers Doug www.humorix.org -- Linux was made by foreign terrorists to steal money from true AMERICAN companies like Microsoft who invented computing as we know it, and are being punished for their success.

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meeting report - 13th May 2004
by Syd Hancock 16 May '04

16 May '04

Seven of us gathered at the City Gate this month. Brett, Bryce, Eli, Graham, MJR, noodles, Syd. Chat covered the usual diverse range of topics includingthe Debian development and distribution model, qualifying as a school teacher, video editing, the price of beer... etc. Next ALUG meeting: Syleham 30th May. Next Norwich meetings: thursday 10th June (evening) and sunday 27th June (afternoon). Sunday afternoon meeting in the Reindeer: whenever anyone wants to call one! Syd

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Norwich tomorrow night
by Syd Hancock 14 May '04

14 May '04

Don't forget, tomorrow evening in the City Gate, hopefully with penguins this time :-) From 8pm - full details on the ALUG website http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2004/all-NorThu.html Syd

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Console switching stopped working - update (No replies anyway :-(
by bjsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 13 May '04

13 May '04

Original message =============================================================================== I have just upgraded my Debian Sarge/Testing system which included a number of X related packages and console switching (Ctrl-Alt-Fn) has stopped working when running X. Even Ctrl-Alt-Backspace won't drop me back to the command line even though X was started using '/etc/init.d/kdm start' from the command line on console 1 which is what I have always done. It just restarts X/kdm. ============================================================================== I have traced this to the /etc/X11/xkb/rules files. Reverting to the old one has cured the problem. I have tried comparing both files but they appear to be so different as to make this impossible for me! Could someone, with appropriate knowledge, have a look at the new file and see if they can point to the bit that stops console switching from working? My XF86Config-4 keyboard section is: Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Generic Keyboard" Driver "keyboard" Option "CoreKeyboard" Option "XkbRules" "xfree86" Option "XkbModel" "pc105" Option "XkbLayout" "gb" Option "XkbVariant" "" EndSection Changing pc105 to pc104 doesn't make any difference. Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain /etc/X11/xkb/rules: =============================================================================== // $Xorg: xfree86,v 1.3 2000/08/17 19:54:42 cpqbld Exp $ // // Rules for resolving XKB components for use with XFree86 // Copyright 1996 by Joseph Moss // // 2002 Modifier: Ivan Pascal The XFree86 Project // $XFree86: xc/programs/xkbcomp/rules/xfree86,v 3.61 2003/02/20 04:36:09 dawes Exp $ // // Layouts that still need be composed by old rules ! $oldlayouts = az bs ca ca_enhanced de_CH fr_CH hu hu_qwerty lt_std mn vn // If you want non-latin layouts implicitly include the en_US layout // uncomment lines below //! $nonlatin = am ar ben bg by dev el ge_la ge_ru guj gur il il_phonetic\ // ir iu kan lo mk mm ml ori ru sr syr syr_phonetic tel th\ // tj tml ua ! $pcmodels = pc101 pc102 pc104 pc105 ! $mac = macintosh macintosh_old ! model = keycodes macintosh_old = macintosh powerpcps2 = powerpcps2 pc98 = xfree98(pc98) abnt2 = xfree86(abnt2) * = xfree86 ! $azerty = be fr fr-latin9 ! $qwertz = al cz de hr pl2 si sk ! layout[1] = keycodes $azerty = +aliases(azerty) $qwertz = +aliases(qwertz) * = +aliases(qwerty) ! layout = keycodes $azerty = +aliases(azerty) $qwertz = +aliases(qwertz) * = +aliases(qwerty) ! model = geometry microsoft = microsoft(natural) microsoftpro = microsoft(natural) microsoftprose = microsoft(natural) dell101 = dell(dell101) flexpro = keytronic(FlexPro) omnikey101 = northgate(omnikey101) $pcmodels = pc(%m) jp106 = pc(jp106) everex = everex(STEPnote) winbook = winbook(XP5) pc98 = nec(pc98) abnt2 = pc macintosh = macintosh(macintosh) macintosh_old = macintosh(macintosh) * = pc(pc104) ! model variant layout = symbols macintosh nodeadkeys * = macintosh/us(extended)+macintosh/%l%(v) $pcmodels nodeadkeys $oldlayouts = en_US(%m%_v)+%l%(v) * nodeadkeys $oldlayouts = en_US(pc105%_v)+%l%(v) ! model layout = symbols pc98 nec/jp = nec/jp(pc98) abnt2 br = us(pc101)+br $pcmodels us_intl = us(%m)+us_intl $mac us = macintosh/us(extended) $mac en_US = macintosh/us(extended) $mac * = macintosh/us(extended)+macintosh/%l%(v) $pcmodels intl = us(%mcompose) * intl = us(pc104compose) * jp = jp $pcmodels $oldlayouts = en_US(%m)+%l%(v) $pcmodels $nonlatin = pc/pc(%m)+pc/us+pc/%l%(v):2 $pcmodels * = pc/pc(%m)+pc/%l%(v) * $oldlayouts = en_US(pc105)+%l%(v) * $nonlatin = pc/pc(pc105)+pc/us+pc/%l%(v):2 * * = pc/pc(pc105)+pc/%l%(v) ! model layout[1] = symbols $pcmodels * = pc/pc(%m)+pc/%l[1]%(v[1]) * * = pc/pc(pc105)+pc/%l[1]%(v[1]) ! layout[2] = symbols * = +pc/%l[2]%(v[2]):2 ! layout[3] = symbols * = +pc/%l[3]%(v[3]):3 ! layout[4] = symbols * = +pc/%l[4]%(v[4]):4 ! $inetkbds = airkey acpi scorpius \ brother \ btc5113rf btc5126t btc9000 btc9000a \ cherryblue cherrybluea \ chicony chicony9885 \ compaqeak8 compaqik7 compaqik13 compaqik18 armada presario ipaq \ dell inspiron \ dexxa diamond genius \ ennyah_dkb1008 \ hpi6 hp2501 hp2505 hp5181 hpxe3gc hpxe3gf hpxe4xxx hpzt11xx \ hp500fa hp5xx \ honeywell_euroboard \ rapidaccess rapidaccess2 rapidaccess2a \ ltcd logicdit logicdp logicdpa logicdpa2 logicdo logicfn \ logicdn logidak logiik itouch logiitc logiik logiink itouchin \ mx1998 mx2500 mx2750 \ microsoftinet microsoftpro microsoftprose microsoftoffice \ oretec \ propeller \ qtronix \ samsung4500 samsung4510 \ sk1300 sk2500 sk6200 sk7100 \ sven symplon toshiba_s3000 trust trustda yahoo ! model = symbols $inetkbds = +inet(%m) ! model layout = compat pc98 nec/jp = pc98(basic) * * = complete ! model layout[1] = compat * * = complete ! model = types * = complete ! option = symbols grp:switch = +group(switch) grp:lswitch = +group(lswitch) grp:win_switch = +group(win_switch) grp:lwin_switch = +group(lwin_switch) grp:rwin_switch = +group(rwin_switch) grp:toggle = +group(toggle) grp:shift_toggle = +group(shift_toggle) grp:ctrls_toggle = +group(ctrls_toggle) grp:alts_toggle = +group(alts_toggle) grp:ctrl_shift_toggle = +group(ctrl_shift_toggle) grp:caps_toggle = +group(caps_toggle) grp:ctrl_alt_toggle = +group(ctrl_alt_toggle) grp:alt_shift_toggle = +group(alt_shift_toggle) grp:menu_toggle = +group(menu_toggle) grp:lwin_toggle = +group(lwin_toggle) grp:rwin_toggle = +group(rwin_toggle) grp:sclk_toggle = +group(sclk_toggle) grp:lshift_toggle = +group(lshift_toggle) grp:rshift_toggle = +group(rshift_toggle) grp:lctrl_toggle = +group(lctrl_toggle) grp:rctrl_toggle = +group(rctrl_toggle) grp:lalt_toggle = +group(lalt_toggle) lv3:switch = +level3(switch) lv3:menu_switch = +level3(menu_switch) lv3:win_switch = +level3(win_switch) lv3:lwin_switch = +level3(lwin_switch) lv3:rwin_switch = +level3(rwin_switch) ctrl:nocaps = +ctrl(nocaps) ctrl:swapcaps = +ctrl(swapcaps) ctrl:ctrl_ac = +ctrl(ctrl_ac) ctrl:ctrl_aa = +ctrl(ctrl_aa) altwin:menu = +altwin(menu) altwin:meta_alt = +altwin(meta_alt) altwin:meta_win = +altwin(meta_win) altwin:left_meta_win = +altwin(left_meta_win) altwin:super_win = +altwin(super_win) altwin:hyper_win = +altwin(hyper_win) compose:ralt = +compose(ralt) compose:rwin = +compose(rwin) compose:menu = +compose(menu) ! option = compat grp_led:num = +leds(num) grp_led:caps = +leds(caps) grp_led:scroll = +leds(scroll) ! option = types caps:internal = +caps(internal) caps:internal_nocancel = +caps(internal_nocancel) caps:shift = +caps(shift) caps:shift_nocancel = +caps(shift_nocancel)

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[Alug Announce]AFFSAC schedule published
by MJ Ray 13 May '04

13 May '04

ALUG Announce Please send announcements to Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce ----- Thanks to Kevin Donnelly, the programme for the conference is now available on http://www.affs.org.uk/affsac.html as far as possible. If you register before noon on Friday, it helps us to make sure that there is enough lunch for everyone (TANSTAAFL). You need to be an AFFS member or apply to join on the day. -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ for creative copyleft computing ----- Send discussion replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk (Reply-To set) Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce

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Dumpster Diving for hardware
by Ricky Bruce 12 May '04

12 May '04

One of my favorite pastimes when i was living in the US was stopping at piles of junk by the side of the road and picking up other peoples cast off equipment for free. Many a systems has been picked up dusted off, given a new life by tux and sold on at a profit. Since i moved backto the Yarmouth though the pickings have been decidely slim. Anyone know anywhere in the region where equipment is reguarly dumped? Any stories of great finds? Let us know Rick _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

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Pissup In A Brewery
by Daniel Silverstone 12 May '04

12 May '04

Hi, At the end of last year I organised a Pissup in the Milton Brewery. Popular as it was, I have agreed to organise one for the summer. We have a booking for the 18th June of this year, If you're interested, mail me. http://wiki.digital-scurf.org/PissupInABrewery If you add yourself, mail me too. D. -- Daniel Silverstone http://www.digital-scurf.org/ PGP mail accepted and encouraged. Key Id: 2BC8 4016 2068 7895

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Console switching stopped working
by bjsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 12 May '04

12 May '04

I have just upgraded my Debian Sarge/Testing system which included a number of X related packages and console switching (Ctrl-Alt-Fn) has stopped working. Even Ctrl-Alt-Backspace won't drop me back to the command line even though X was started using '/etc/init.d/kdm start' from the command line on console 1 which is what I have always done. It just restarts X/kdm. My /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file has not been changed (Does not have today's date) and neither have any of the files in /etc/X11/xkb also all old dates. Any ideas please? Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain

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Benchmarking Filesystems
by Craig 12 May '04

12 May '04

Spotted this via slashdot.org: http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html Thought I give this a mention. C

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Re: [ALUG] linuxvar4
by Steve Purkiss 11 May '04

11 May '04

If you are a Linux Value Added Reseller then you can sign up, yes. This is no demo. Is it that hard? You could always use the feedback form on the site to suggest improvements for the next version - it's all open source so we can improve it as it grows. Steve On Tue, 2004-05-11 at 11:35, Stan Fraser wrote: > OOOOOPPS! I thought cos because there was a form on the page to register > thats what I had to do, obviously I overlooked the the bit that said "demo > only not functioning yet" > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Purkiss" <steve(a)open4.org> > To: "Stan Fraser" <stan(a)tyronet.co.uk>; "ALUG" <main(a)lists.alug.org.uk> > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 11:20 AM > Subject: Re: [ALUG] linuxvar4 > > > > What's the problem Stan? > > > > Registrations aren't automatically authorised, they will be going live > > soon. > > > > Michael Breeze michealb(a)interactiveideas.com is doing them... > > > > Steve > > > > On Tue, 2004-05-11 at 11:13, Stan Fraser wrote: > > > Has anyone else had problems registering on this site? > > > Regards > > > Stan > > > > > > On Sunday 09 May 2004 22:20, Steve Purkiss wrote: > > > > Just launched a site which I thought you might like to know about: > > > > > > > > www.LinuxVAR.co.uk - a high-level introduction to Linux and Open > Source > > > > Software for the inquisitive UK SME. > > > > > > Good luck with this Steve, I will be checking it out shortly > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > > > http://www.alug.org.uk/ > > > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > > > Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! > > -- > > Steve Purkiss > > > > Open for Organisations > > supporting open source software > > www.open4.org > > > > > > -- Steve Purkiss Open for Organisations supporting open source software www.open4.org

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Re: [ALUG] linuxvar4
by Steve Purkiss 11 May '04

11 May '04

On Tue, 2004-05-11 at 11:27, Laurie Brown wrote: > Steve Purkiss wrote: > > > What's the problem Stan? > > > > Registrations aren't automatically authorised, they will be going live > > soon. > > > > Michael Breeze michealb(a)interactiveideas.com is doing them... > > You might want to try spelling that email address properly! > > Cheers, Laurie. You're right - ta. I think I've typed so much text lately it's all a blur now ;) -- Steve Purkiss Open for Organisations supporting open source software www.open4.org

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linuxvar4
by Stan Fraser 11 May '04

11 May '04

Has anyone else had problems registering on this site? Regards Stan On Sunday 09 May 2004 22:20, Steve Purkiss wrote: > Just launched a site which I thought you might like to know about: > > www.LinuxVAR.co.uk - a high-level introduction to Linux and Open Source > Software for the inquisitive UK SME. Good luck with this Steve, I will be checking it out shortly

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Aiptek Camera
by Leon Stedman 11 May '04

11 May '04

Some time ago I purchased an Aiptek "Pocket DVII 1.3 Mega digital camera. I would like to get this working under Linux. On connecting the camera to the USB port the following is logged: kernel: hub.c: new USB device 00:11.2-1, assigned address 6 /sbin/hotplug: arguments (usb) env (DEVFS=/proc/bus/usb OLDPWD=/ \ PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin ACTION=add PWD=/etc/hotplug \ SHLVL=1 HOME=/ DEVICE=/proc/bus/usb/001/006 INTERFACE=8/6/80 \ PRODUCT=8ca/105/100 TYPE=0/0/0 DEBUG=yes _=/bin/env) /sbin/hotplug: invoke /etc/hotplug/usb.agent () /etc/hotplug/usb.agent: Setup usb-storage for USB product 8ca/105/100 When I attempt to access the camera under gphoto: kernel: usb-uhci.c: interrupt, status 3, frame# 1901 kernel: SCSI device (ioctl) reports ILLEGAL REQUEST. kernel: SCSI device sda: 12288 512-byte hdwr sectors (6 MB) kernel: sda: test WP failed, assume Write Enabled kernel: sda: I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0 kernel: I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0 kernel: unable to read partition table is logged. I have also attempted to "mount" the camera using every file system I can think of without being able to read it. Any suggestions anyone? I must be doing something wrong! Leon Stedman

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New LinuxVAR website
by Steve Purkiss 10 May '04

10 May '04

Just launched a site which I thought you might like to know about: www.LinuxVAR.co.uk - a high-level introduction to Linux and Open Source Software for the inquisitive UK SME. The plan: Launch to the trade tomorrow (Mon 10th May) In IT trade press week after {work on www.open4.org shop - yes, I will be selling Mandrake, RedHat, SUSE, and sites based on XOOPS and OSCommerce, but need to pay the bills somehow - open4 membership is free} Launched to 'public' If you are a LinuxVAR, then sign up now and you will go far... The site is sponsored by Interactive Ideas, largest distributor of Linux in the UK, plus RedHat and SUSE. IMHO this is another great leap forward in the visibility of Linux and Open Source in the UK SME market and excited to be a part of the project. If you locate any teething problems please use the feedback form on the site. I will hopefully be needing lots of help answering questions on the www.open4.org forums where visitors are lead to for further info, so register on the site and make sure you set the notifications for the forums you want to be kept up-to-date with. Users will also be able to locate their nearest LinuxVAR or search by description, so make sure you get some good keywords in there. The vision is to help raise awareness and knowledge of Free/Open Source Software in UK SMEs. ***It is not a techie discussion forum"*** Please take your time to visit www.LinuxVAR.co.uk Thanks -- Steve Purkiss Open for Organisations supporting open source software www.open4.org

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dail-up problems after Installing new kernel
by Nick Daniels 10 May '04

10 May '04

Hi Many thanks for advice on downloading large files, I did reply but it appears to have been lost. I downloaded and installed Kernel 2.6.5 for Suse 9.0, my first attempt at this. all seemed OK except I could not connect to the internet without disabling the firewall. I checked and installed kernel again ppp was definitely enabled. I have repeated process in mandrake 9.2 with same results so it definitely me , any advice would be appreciated. Regards Nick Daniels

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 10 May '04

10 May '04

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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The whole meeting thing.
by Robert Frusher 09 May '04

09 May '04

I am not sure whether doing all the meeting negotiations in the mail list works very well. Maybe a location field a user profile, and then some sort of web based meeting setup tool might help? I read the mail list postings and find it hard to keep up... ps I spoke to people on the IRC channel, cheers guys, I got my Palm Tungsten E to sync with Evolution using multisync as was sugested. It works very well, now Evolution has all what my palm has on it. Does anyone know if it is possible to program Evolutions calendar like Outlook. I have a small VB script which generates appointments which I would like to do in Evolution.

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mail problems.
by Syd Hancock 09 May '04

09 May '04

Apologies for the 'test' email but for some reason none of the messages that I've sent to the list this morning about the next meeting have appeared and it is a big problem. Other messages *have* appeared, sent both before and after the missing messages, e.g. the report on yesterday's meeting and the test message. I have tried sending posts with and without urls. I have tried changing the smpt server (i.e. the authenticated server from the host for toufol.com amd the mail server for my ISP) and although both work normally for other messages, they do not for the posts in question. Very odd. When I queried this before it was suggested that it may be an ISP problem but I would have thought that using different smtp servers from different ISP/hosting companies would be a check on this? Can anyone suggest anything here? What could cause some emails to completely disappear when other messages to the same address and from the same account do arrive? It is very frustrating to waste so much time just sending out a simple announcement! There were no problems until a month ago when I was trying to announce the April meeting and there seem to be no problems with any other messages - apart from one that was lost on friday which was presumably due to the dns situation for part of the day. Now to see if this one gets through. Syd

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Reminder: evening meeting in Norwich this thursday
by Syd Hancock 09 May '04

09 May '04

The next 'second thursday' evening meeting in Norwich will be held this Thursday, the 13th of May at the City Gate, Derham Road, from about 8pm. Full details are on the ALUG website. The Norwich meetings and venues pages have been updated recently Venue and meeting details: http://www.alug.org.uk/meetings/2004/all-NorThu.html Venue: full address, photo, link to map etc here: http://www.norwichpubs.info/norwichpubs/pubpages/citygate.htm Syd

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RE: [Alug Announce]Norwich evening meeting: 13th May 2004
by Elisabeth Fosbrooke-Brown 09 May '04

09 May '04

>===== Original Message From main(a)lists.alug.org.uk ===== > >The monthly Norwich 'second thursday' evening social meet will take >place this week [snip] > There may or may not be a penguin on the table :-) I demand a penguin this time! sfr

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Re: [ALUG] Re: Finesko & Firkin Pub
by Jonathan McDowell 08 May '04

08 May '04

On Sun, Jan 18, 2004 at 02:51:44PM +0000, Chris Walker wrote: > On Sun 18 Jan, Bryce Martin wrote: [snip] > > Just a thought. We left the Firkin pub pretty quickly and went > > across the road to the City Gate Weatherspoon pub. > > It no longer belongs to Wetherspoons as it was sold in early December > 2003. > > > It has the right atmosphere for a meeting in my opinion. The seating > > and lighting are very good and tables can be brought together. There > > is no music but the place has a lively congenial atmosphere. As an > > added bonus you can get a curry if you're hungry. > > I'm not sure what the policy of the new owners (London & Edinburgh > Inns) is towards food and so that too may change. > > Take a look at http://www.norwichpubs.info/norwichpubs/centpubf.htm > for info on the 'Finnesko & Firkin' and you will see that too is > scheduled to close soon for refurbishment. It's been bought by a local > brewery, famous for their Black Dog Mild and so hopefully it will > improve the atmosphere. Sadly it's unlikely to include using the > brewing equipment. FWIW it's now the Reindeer again and I was there for a couple of drinks with some friends this evening. Seem pleasant enough. Music level was low, it wasn't busy (possibly as it's only just opened) and there were 7 of us there and I think double that could have fitted, which doesn't seem any less than we normally have at the Thursday meets. Atmosphere seemed better than the City Gate has been recently, especially allowing for the fact it wasn't that busy. Might be worth a try again at some point (but not this month, as I won't be around for the Thursday meet). June 18th perhaps? J. -- noodles is known for its

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installed udev, lost my swap space!
by Dennis Dryden 07 May '04

07 May '04

Ok maybe i shouldn't of installed udev(cant remember why i did) but since i installed it on my Debian unstable box ive lost my /dev/cdrom and /dev/dvd links. I also don't seem to have any swap space anymore (explains why quake3 has been locking up my box on map loading). I've done a few quick searches and can't seem to find any udev howto's, can anyone point me in the right direction? Is adding two lines to /etc/udev/links.conf the best way of setting up /dev/cdrom and /dev/dvd device nodes? Dennis

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More Speed Please
by Stan Fraser 07 May '04

07 May '04

Have put together a computer MB Aopen AX6LC, PII 300, 96mb Ram, ATI Radeon 8500 Graphics Card, SuSE 9.0 and it seems to run as if its in mega slow mode. Can't run any arcade type games as its so slow, any hints on how to speed it up a bit. Also how do you disable the system sounds when a dialog etc opens. Regards Stan ------ This mail box is protected by SpamWeed. http://www.spamweed.com

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More Speed
by Stan Fraser 07 May '04

07 May '04

Thanks for all the help. It was just an experiment so may relegate it to windows 3.1 or try using it as a firewall with "smoothwall" or as a doorstop. ------ This mail box is protected by SpamWeed. http://www.spamweed.com

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New news and a Tux too!
by Steve Purkiss 07 May '04

07 May '04

Hiya, There's new news and a Tux too on www.open4.org so be sure to visit soon. The site is as everything in this industry, entirely what you decide to make of it. I sell sites based on XOOPS and OSCommerce with hosting and support, plus some official distros and some not-so-official steve compilations... The 'other' site is launching next week which will be providing coach loads of tourists, so feel free to come have a look around and I will be providing more in the way of 'furniture' over the next few years. Anyone see value in a member homepage editor? Would provide a "shopfront" for anyone FOC. Thanks -- Steve Purkiss Open for Organisations supporting open source software www.open4.org

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Webcam help
by Wayne Stallwood 06 May '04

06 May '04

I have found my 3Com Home Connect camera under a pile of other rubbish. When I plug it in all looks good, I get..... May 6 20:17:41 linux kernel: hub.c: new USB device 00:07.3-2, assigned address 2 May 6 20:17:41 linux kernel: usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0x4c1/0x9d) is not claimed by any active driver. May 6 20:17:45 linux kernel: usb.c: registered new driver vicam May 6 20:17:45 linux kernel: ViCam based webcam connected May 6 20:17:45 linux kernel: ViCam webcam driver now controlling video device 0 May 6 20:17:45 linux insmod: Using /lib/modules/2.4.21-215-athlon/kernel/ drivers/usb/usbvideo.o May 6 20:17:45 linux insmod: Symbol version prefix '' May 6 20:17:45 linux insmod: Using /lib/modules/2.4.21-215-athlon/kernel/ drivers/usb/vicam.o So far so good, now if I cat /dev/video0 the little led on the front of the camera lights up and loads of data'ish garbage appears in the console window. Here is where it starts to go wrong The application I want to use the camera with (gnomemeeting) starting that gives me a "Error while setting the frame size." message when I select /dev/ video0 as the video device. So now I want to hook up some sort of viewer to see if there is actually a picture comming out of the camera. So I tried xawtv and that just gives me a blue screen (not of death), I figured that it needs v4l to function. So I ran v4l-conf v4l-conf: using X11 display :0.0 dga: version 2.0 mode: 1280x1024, depth=24, bpp=32, bpl=5120, base=0xd0000000 /dev/video0 [v4l2]: ioctl VIDIOC_QUERYCAP: Invalid argument /dev/video0 [v4l]: no overlay support Here is where I start getting lost. Is there some step to process the stream from the camera I am missing, I thought that was the job of the Vicam driver. How do I set up v4l if it is incorrectly configured ? and do I need v4l to use the camera in gnomemeeting or does it access it directly....Or is there a better way to control/view the camera.

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sshd and PAM
by Tim Green 06 May '04

06 May '04

I appear to be suffering the riddle of sshd and PAM on one of my Debian Stable boxes. Both boxes have ssh_1%3a3.4p1-1.woody.3 (i386) installed, but only one of them has the stuff in /etc/ssh/sshd_conf about "UsePrivilegeSeparation" (yes), it has decided today to nolonger allow ssh connections with interactive keyboard password entry. Also in sshd_conf the "PAMAuthenticationViaKbdInt" is set to "off" to be compatible with the privilage separation. If I invert these two settings I still can't loggin after it asks about 6 different ways. The maddening thing is even "ssh 127.0.0.1" doesn't work on the bad box - returns "Permission denied, please try again." What should I change to restore normal connectivity? Ta. Tim.

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Suse kernel updates
by Wayne Stallwood 05 May '04

05 May '04

Is it me or does SuSE seem to release lots and lots of Kernel updates to 2.4.21 YOU is inviting me to download 2.4.21-215 to replace the -202 that I updated to only about a month ago, this one apparently fixes "Various security related bugs have been fixed inside the Linux kernel which could allow local attackers to either elevate their privileges or to cause a DoS attack. The fixes consist of - a fix for the memleak in do_fork() - a fix for the MCAST/setsockopt() buffer overflow (CAN-2004-0424) - a fix for the permission problem on /proc/scsi/qla2300/HbaApiNode - a fix for the buffer overflow in panic() (CAN-2004-0394)" I am sure I am getting offered at least one kernel update a month (it certainly feels like that sort of frequency) I cannot remember applying any kernel updates to my previous installation of SuSE 8.0, is it that SuSE are just very good at offering updates to relatively minor flaws or is it that 2.4.21 is ridden with security flaws. I wouldn't mind too much but currently my kernel is a little tainted by both the Nvidia drivers and VMware modules, both of which I assume may need to be compiled against the new kernel, also it just ruins my uptime score :o) What do other users who are less fortunate and on 56k dial up do, persevere the lengthy download or simply ignore most of which seem to be local vulnerabilities ? Do other distros have such an aggressive kernel update schedule ?

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Next Syleham meeting
by John Woodard 05 May '04

05 May '04

I have booked Syleham Village Hall for a Sunday meeting on 30th May. As per usual kit welcome; installs, trouble shooting and general prodding of bits that do not work will be available. More details to follow and I will try and find time to update the wiki real soon. Cheers, BJ

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Warning: Spam Blockers
by MJ Ray 04 May '04

04 May '04

If you install a challenge-response spam block and do not exempt the ALUG lists, I will unsubscribe you. You need to exempt the list and the address that sends subscription pings. So, if you send an email telling the list admins they must reply for you to get a service that you chose to subscribe to, I will verify your address and then reply by removing you. The list admins have enough to do already, without that. Challenge-response spam blocks are broken and a pain in the back side. Look up "C-R considered harmful" for some of the reasons. -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ for creative copyleft computing

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Odd Kmail behaviour
by Wayne Stallwood 04 May '04

04 May '04

I am getting a funny behaviour in the fancy headers of kmail. If I look at any post from MJ Ray with fancy headers enabled I get the text (Very poor) appended to the end of the from address So I looked at the full headers, and I see Organization: Very poor Very funny, but it had me baffled for a bit

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Travel share to AFFSAC
by MJ Ray 04 May '04

04 May '04

Hi all, The AFFS Annual Conference takes place in Birmingham on Saturday 15 May. Once again, it should be a collection of talks on free software applications and practical promotion. Some details are online at http://www.affs.org.uk/affsac.html and so is the sign-up form (hint hint, only 10 quid membership fee required, which should also include a year of newsletters). Someone would like to travel share from mid-Essex. If you can do that, please email me and I will put you in touch. -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ for creative copyleft computing

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Re: [ALUG] Hello! LUG in Chelmsford...
by Steve Purkiss 04 May '04

04 May '04

:0) Thanks for cheering me up while I figure out VMWare! Steve On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 12:49, Chris Walker wrote: > On Mon 03 May, Steve Purkiss wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Firstly a big "Hello"! I joined up recently after conversations with > > MJR. I investigated the old Essex LUG but that seems to be dead and > > buried, so I was thinking of setting up a Chelmsford LUG (comedy name > > yet to be thought up) > > Has to be LUGE with TUX sliding through the snow on one :-) > > Sorry. I'll get my coat.

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Accented characters
by Syd Hancock 03 May '04

03 May '04

What is the easiest way to get accented characters, specifically French, in apps running under KDE? In Open Office I can access them from Insert->Special Character but it is a bit long-winded. No idea how to get them in things like Kmail. Is there an equivalent of ALT+NumericKeypad codes, for example? Thanks Syd

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