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Corporate Mail servers
by David Fairey 07 Feb '06

07 Feb '06

I'm looking to replace our aging Windows email server at work. I'd prefer to use Linux for it's flexibility and no licensing issues, but looking around there's a bewildering number of packages. Does anyone here run a Linux mail server for their business? What packages did you end up with? Thanks David.

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Re: [ALUG] A little advice
by Ricky Bruce 07 Feb '06

07 Feb '06

alot of these channels are encrypted but the great thing about thedreambox is that because its hard drive based its able to emulate alotof the protection mechanisms.doesnt work for sky (yet, and even if it did youd be putting your headon the legal chopping board if you tried it) although it is possibleto use your legit sky card in the dreambox thus freeing yourself fromthe unreliable digibox. theres a very active coding scene which means you are able to replacethe very nice but slightly boring original firmware with flashydistros (or images as they are often called.) im presently using plidiamond image from the plinux team. heres the release notes:The Diamond Images featuring:- 1.09 kernel (2.6.9)- 1.09 enigma (19-12-2005)- Squashfs 2.2-r2 withLZMA-compression- Front Processor version 1.06- New PMT Interface: anew interface between Enigma and an Emu/Softcam - Softcam / CardserverSetup incl. Sticky SoftCams using new PMT interface - Private EPG forPremiere - Manual (Un)Install of plugins/addons etc- Enable/Disableautomatic download of software menu index - Dreambox Tools: CheckCronjobs & Free Space; ECM-, Memory-, Mgcamd-Info, NetStat, Processlist - Tuxtxt v1.94 - Settings to control infobar on zap and OK -Skin: The name of the current running emu (e.g. 'camxng') - Skin: Thevideo format of the current service (e.g. '704x576 4:3 25 fps') -Skin: Caid types supported in the current stream - Skin: Frequency,FEC, Polarisation, Symbol rate - Language Setup- Var to USB/HDD- DebugSettings- Create your own script control panel under the Blue Setupbutton- Firewall ready- Crond ready- OSD supports: Yellow Button -Addons/Plugins, Blue Button - PLi Setup- Password change allowed byuser to any password- Games ready- CIFS enabled- New filenaming ofyour Recorded Movies,- It will be shown as ---- Full Media Highway EPGsupport for ALL Media Highway EPG providers- Menu Language selectionin your own native language- No SoftCams onboard ALL to be downloaded and there website http://pli.dreamvcr.com/diamond/releasenote/ lastly heres some satellite related websites which have tonnes moreinfo for those so inclined. http://www.i-have-a-dreambox.com/wbb2/index.phphttp://67.43.4.157:81/index.…

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Good advice from windows dialog
by Stuart Bailey 07 Feb '06

07 Feb '06

-- --------------------------------------- Stuart Bailey BSc (hons) CEng CITP MBCS LinuSoft (Proprietor) Linux Specialist (01953) 601294 (07778) 383739 http://www.linusoft.co.uk ----------------------------------------

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RE: [ALUG] FW: [SLL] OT: The End of the Internet?
by Keith Watson 07 Feb '06

07 Feb '06

> From: Ted Harding Sent: 05 February 2006 23:33 > > Hi Folks, > I just read this. Somewhat glunly. Now come on Ted, no need to be glun! ;-) Regards, Keith ____________ Many eyes go through the meadow, but few see the flowers in it. - Ralph Waldo Emerson

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Brett Parker 06 Feb '06

06 Feb '06

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. Historically, these used to be the only time a lot of us would be about, now the channel has some usual faces that are there most of the time (except at silly o'clock, when we might be sleeping, or on the second thursday of the month, where we might be drinking in the Reindeer), so don't feel limited to visit during this time, come visit us when ever you feel like it! The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include xchat, irssi and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://www.irssi.org/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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FW: [SLL] OT: The End of the Internet?
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 06 Feb '06

06 Feb '06

Hi Folks, I just read this. Somewhat glunly. Best wishes, while it lasts. Ted. -----FW: <440cb5840602051308r5e63322j74fada433cdf1872(a)mail.gmail.com>----- Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:08:36 -0800 Sender: linux-list-bounces(a)ssc.com From: Abha Harting <abhaha(a)gmail.com> To: linux-list(a)ssc.com Subject: [SLL] OT: The End of the Internet? I suppose this is getting a bit political, but I think everyone interested in open access needs to know about this as it will effect us ALL: http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060213/chester Abha --------------End of forwarded message------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 05-Feb-06 Time: 23:33:10 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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a little advice
by Robert 05 Feb '06

05 Feb '06

Now that i'm a member of ALUG i could do with a bit of advice.Firstly i'm trying to build a media centre pc via Linux and wondered if there was any pitfalls i should steer clear of as far as tv card etc are concerned, and secondly what's the best game to get on Linux and why. Robert

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Password (and other data) storage - ideas wanted
by Chris Green 04 Feb '06

04 Feb '06

I find I am needing to store more and more 'sensitive' data safely. When I needed to save just PINs and such I kept them in my PDA in a neat little application called ReadThis! which encrypted data kept in the normal databases, so I just encrypted the necessary bits of Address Book (for Bank stuff mostly) and had some Memos for storing other stuff. However this became impractical as I needed access on-line more often (for online banking etc.) so I currently use the KeyRing plugin for JPilot. This gives me easier access as I can run JPilot remotely but I'm beginning to find this is a bit limiting as well now. What do others here use for this sort of 'sensitive data' storage? I have all sorts of data, PINs, passwords, Web site logins and so on and so forth. -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

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A little advice
by Robert 04 Feb '06

04 Feb '06

Now that i'm on the mailing list i wonder if anyone could help me.I'm looking to build a media centre pc around Linux and was wondering whether there was anything i should look out for e.g.tv cards etc?Also i would like to know what the in game on Linux is at the moment and why? Robert

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Thanks
by Robert 04 Feb '06

04 Feb '06

Thanks Chris and Jonathan for your help though you basically said the same thing.There is one other thing though and that is on my xine player i come up with no MRL and as i don't have a Linux dictionary to hand i wondered what it meant as i would prefer to use that audio/video player than Kaffeine. Thanks Robert

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FTGH: Various computer junk.
by Jonathan McDowell 03 Feb '06

03 Feb '06

I hate throwing out working (in all but one case below) kit, so all of this is free to the first person who wants to come and get each item. Otherwise it's getting skipped. Priority will be given to whoever can collect stuff first - I'm off the Drayton Road in Norwich itself. I'm prepared to bring the smaller items to the meet next Thursday. The list will be sent to Freecycle as well. Complete Cyrix 6x86 PR200+ machine: VXPro+ chipset, 32MB RAM (in a single DIMM), 2 roughly 300MB HDs, Realtek 8139C network card, Trident ISA video card. No keyboard/monitor. An ancient machine, with Debian on it and the 2 HDs in a RAID1 configuration. Might do as a play about box I guess; it's too noisy to be an always on server. Axil Ultima 1 (Sun Ultra 1 clone): This is a faulty Ultra 1 clone; I believe the specs are 167MHz UltraSparc 1 processor, 128MB RAM, 4GB HD. It powers on, but just gives some gibberish to the serial port and although my monitor registers a signal it remains blank. Could be something simple, could be toast. Might be of use for parts if you've got old Sparc kit? Advansys PCI SCSI card; Iwill SIDE-2930U+ PCI SCSI card, works fine with Linux. Internal 50 pin header, external high density 50 pin connector. Has boot rom. Apple 14" monitor. Suitable for old Macs; has the low density 15pin D connector. Sun Type 4 keyboard. I have a couple of these. No cable to connect them to the machine, but I think they're fine aside from that. Celeron 400MHz - Socket 370 processor. Just the CPU; no heatsink/fan etc. J. -- If love is blind, lingerie makes great braille.

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Use it or lose it
by Paul 03 Feb '06

03 Feb '06

Just returned from the library in the Forum after a fruitless attemp to borrow two volumes on network programming by Richard Stevens - The titles in question had been on the shelfs for a number of years, yet do not appear in the catalogue. A casual comment to one of the staff revealed that the books had been withdrawn.. After giving the head librarian a stern Padington Bear lecture, it would appear that even "standard texts" such as the Stevens titles are removed from circulation if they have not been taken out for some unspecified time. The range of popular titiles from the "Dummies guide to..." will be expanded (probably) at the expense of *nix related books. A short sighted policy in my opinion... In order to preserve the stock of books in our public libraries, I would urge everyone to borrow at least one Linux/Unix book on a regular basis lest we lose yet more. Regards, Paul. -- From the Klingon book of C: Klingon function calls do not have 'parameters' - they have 'arguments' - and they ALWAYS WIN THEM.

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Re: Welcome to the "main" mailing list
by robert 03 Feb '06

03 Feb '06

Dear Sir, Thanks for the email you ask why i chose Linux,it boils down to three things. 1.I run a dual boot system and as my other OS happens to be Windows98,Linux is a little newer. 2.Linux seems to be more compatible with my new upgraded system. 3.As an alternative to spending £170(what it cost a friend)on Windows XP. So it seems a worthwhile trade off to have access to the internet and learn how to use a command line. Yours Sincerely RJohnson ----- Original Message ----- From: <main-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk> To: <robertj35(a)tiscali.co.uk> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:02 PM Subject: Welcome to the "main" mailing list > Welcome to the main(a)lists.alug.org.uk mailing list! Welcome to ALUG! > > We welcome new members and we'd especially like you to send a short > description of why you're interested in Linux to the mailing list. > This is so that we can get some idea of how to cater for new members, > as they're the most important ones! Some general info should follow... > > To post to this list, send your email to: > > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > > General information about the mailing list is at: > > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > > If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to > or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your > subscription page at: > > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/options/main/robertj35%40tiscali.co.uk > > > You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: > > main-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk > > with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the > quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. > > You must know your password to change your options (including changing > the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. It is: > > Mandrake > > Normally, Mailman will remind you of your lists.alug.org.uk mailing > list passwords once every month, although you can disable this if you > prefer. This reminder will also include instructions on how to > unsubscribe or change your account options. There is also a button on > your options page that will email your current password to you.

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Thanks for the response
by Robert 02 Feb '06

02 Feb '06

Hi there, thanks for the feedback but i didn't buy my computer off the shelf at your local PCWorld.I built my first computer 5 years ago and been upgrading ever since.As for what Linux OS i use i've actually got 12,but only two happen to work on my upgraded pc Mandriva 2006 and Suse 9.2. Robert

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Hibernate a desktop
by Wayne Stallwood 01 Feb '06

01 Feb '06

What do I need to have in order to get suspend to disk to work on a Desktop machine. On my laptop (R40 Thinkpad) Ubuntu will suspend or hibernate perfectly. One suspends to disk and shuts down,the other suspends to ram and then puts the machine into a low power standby state. I always get the two mixed up. I understand that I need some power management in my hardware to do the 2nd one but surely suspending to disk is purely a software thing ? My Desktop is the most power hungry of the two machines I have running at home. I have now decided that rising energy costs and the environment outweigh my concerns of thermal cycling my hardware. However I would like to avoid full boots all the time because I tend to have a lot of stuff open on various virtual desktops, have virtual machines running in the background etc etc I tried selecting hibernate from the Ubuntu/Gnome log off menu. The following things happened. There was a brief flurry of disk activity I lost my (ethernet) network connection My keyboard (usb) stopped working but when I brought focus to a console using the (usb) mouse I found that the p key was repeating at the prompt. >From this state there was nothing I could do to cleanly bring the system down. Even the front panel button (that usually starts halt on this machine) failed. In the end I had to prod reset. Question 2 Assuming I can get this all to work, is there an easy way to produce a magic packet for "wake up on lan" from my other Linux box (that will be remaining switched on) to wake up the desktop from afar if I need it.

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Modprobe error
by Barry Samuels 01 Feb '06

01 Feb '06

Although I can now boot from my external drive and everything appears to be working, including X, I have a little cleaning up to do. Whilst the system is booting I see a message from modprobe, repeated around 10 times - difficult to judge as they flash past, along the lines of 'cannot load /lib/modules/2.6.8/modules.dep - no such file or directory'. This is rather strange because the path/file does exist, is correct and is on the root partition. In spite of that the whole system *appears* to be working. Can anyone suggest a reason for this message. Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain

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RE: [ALUG] Transferring Linux to another hard drive
by Keith Watson 01 Feb '06

01 Feb '06

> From: David Fairey Sent: 29 January 2006 11:21 > > Hi guys, > > I'm looking to transfer one of my linux boxes from it's 3Gb > drive to a bigger drive (40Gb). > > What's the easiest method to transfer a partition including > the boot manager to another drive? when I upgraded from a 20Gb HD to an 80Gb HD recently I used the free edition of HDClone <http://www.miray.de/products/sat.hdclone.html#free>. (as I had a dual boot WinXP / Ubuntu setup it got round all the irritating XP idiosyncrasies). > How can the root partition be resize afterwards? Or would it > make sense to start using a separate /var, /usr partitions? I used the SystemRescueCD <http://www.sysresccd.org/> and the QTParted and partimage utilise it offers to shuffle my Linux partitions around (but be careful about the partition orders and names I inadvertently moved my root partition from /dev/hda5 to /dev/hda7 and Ubuntu got really snotty about it :-) ). Personally I always have separate partitions for /usr, /var, /home, /tmp, /home/[my home dir] and /[my mail dir] because; a) I can keep better track of how and where the space is being used b) it makes backing up easier, I just back up the entire partition to a CD-RW Actually when I did the HD upgrade I also put in a DVD writer, so I now back up the partitions to a DVD+RW, but the principle's the same except I now have a 5Gb max partition size (which I can easily get on a single DVD) rather than 2Gb (which would sometimes go on to 2 CDs even with compression). I use partimage to do this now, but I used to use tar. Regards, Keith ____________ The little things in life are as interesting as the big ones. - Henry David Thoreau

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Re: Transferring Linux to another hard drive (Wayne Stallwood)
by Peter 31 Jan '06

31 Jan '06

So pleased to find people writing about this. I am bringing up a very small local web server - it will only be accessed by two or three machines on the same local ethernet. Scratching my head about how to set up the partitions, and in the end went for / and a separate /home partition only. Is the consensus that this is fairly sensible? While asking, would you all use Apache, or is it sensible to use one of the mini servers - boa or thttpd? Peter > > I usually run a separate /home but that's about it. >

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Quick 'n' dirty warning email if disk usage low
by Mark Rogers 31 Jan '06

31 Jan '06

If I want to run a script on my externally hosted server to mark me if my disk space is getting low, what's the simplest way to do it? Say I want a report if "df" reports more than 90% used, I want the script to run regularly but not send an email every time it runs if the problem hasn't worsend, and want to include the output from 'du -h' in the email? Then, once I have that sorted, what's the "best" way to do this kind of thing? Oh, and what's the best way to work out *why* I only have 1% left on my server? -- Mark Rogers More Solutions Ltd :: 0845 45 89 555

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Brett Parker 30 Jan '06

30 Jan '06

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. Historically, these used to be the only time a lot of us would be about, now the channel has some usual faces that are there most of the time (except at silly o'clock, when we might be sleeping, or on the second thursday of the month, where we might be drinking in the Reindeer), so don't feel limited to visit during this time, come visit us when ever you feel like it! The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include xchat, irssi and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://www.irssi.org/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Transferring Linux to another hard drive
by David Fairey 29 Jan '06

29 Jan '06

Hi guys, I'm looking to transfer one of my linux boxes from it's 3Gb drive to a bigger drive (40Gb). What's the easiest method to transfer a partition including the boot manager to another drive? How can the root parition be resize afterwards? Or would it make sense to start using a separate /var, /usr partitions? Mounted devices are /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) proc on /proc type proc (rw) devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) Cheers David

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Boot problem with external drive
by Barry Samuels 29 Jan '06

29 Jan '06

In the event that something goes wrong with my desktop, other than a problem with the hard drive, I want to be able to boot from the hard drive that normally resides in my desktop but with it connected as an external hard drive to my laptop. My laptop is a Thinkpad R51. In the BIOS there is an option to boot from: -USB Hard Drive. I don't know what the '-' in front of the USB is for - none of the other USB boot options has a dash in front of it. I've compiled a 2.6.8 kernel, on the (external) hard drive, to suit the Thinkpad and the Thinkpad will start to boot from that drive after I select the special kernel but stops with a kernel panic: VFS: Cannot open root device "30e" or unknown-block(3,14) Please append a correct "root=" boot option Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,14) The Linux root partition on that disk is partition 14. When I've had this sort of problem before it's been because I've had and IDE opion either unset or set as a module instead of being compiled in but I've checked and rechecked and cannot see what is wrong. The relevant IDE kernel settings are: # # IDE chipset support/bugfixes # CONFIG_IDE_GENERIC=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CMD640=y # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CMD640_ENHANCED is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEPCI=y CONFIG_IDEPCI_SHARE_IRQ=y # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_OFFBOARD is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_GENERIC=y # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_OPTI621 is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RZ1000 is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA_PCI=y # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA_FORCED is not set CONFIG_IDEDMA_PCI_AUTO=y # CONFIG_IDEDMA_ONLYDISK is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_ADMA=y # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_AEC62XX is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_ALI15X3 is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_AMD74XX is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_ATIIXP is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CMD64X is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_TRIFLEX is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CY82C693 is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CS5520 is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CS5530 is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HPT34X is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HPT366 is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SC1200 is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PIIX=y # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_NS87415 is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PDC202XX_OLD is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PDC202XX_NEW is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SVWKS is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SIIMAGE is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SIS5513 is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SLC90E66 is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_TRM290 is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_VIA82CXXX is not set # CONFIG_IDE_ARM is not set # CONFIG_IDE_CHIPSETS is not set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA=y # CONFIG_IDEDMA_IVB is not set CONFIG_IDEDMA_AUTO=y # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HD is not set I copied the kernel config from the laptop initially and changed the IDE settings to suit the hard drive on the desktop. Can anyone suggest anything I have missed? -- Barry Samuels http://www.beenthere-donethat.org.uk The Unofficial Guide to Great Britain

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Linux On P2 (Was Ubuntu)
by Simon Royal 28 Jan '06

28 Jan '06

Hi Following up from your views on Ubuntu. If I was to get a laptop about P2 400 what would be a good Linux distro. It would need to run pretty fast. I realise the machine isn't super quick, but I know Linux runs a damn site better and faster than Windows. All I would want it for is Wi- Fi access so would need a distro that would pick up a wireless card and run internet, email and office apps like OpenOffice. Regards Simon Royal >- The box said Windows 2000 or better, so I bought a Mac

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Re: DSL
by David Noble 27 Jan '06

27 Jan '06

> Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:36:13 +0000 > From: Simon Royal <s.royal(a)totalise.co.uk> > Subject: [ALUG] Damn Small Linux > To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > Message-ID: <039aa294024c1b5bf04d436c4f1f05e0(a)totalise.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > Hi > > I have been reading about DSL (Damn Small Linux) and wondered if anyone > had any experience with it. I know it is capable of running on a 386, > so my problem of finding a cheap Pentium laptop to run Linux on > sufficiently shouldn't be a problem. > > I wondered if anyone knows how stable it is? does it work with wifi > cards? what the desktop is like? any general info? > > > Kind Regards > > Simon Royal > > ---- > www.majikb.co.uk > The box said requires Windows 2000 or better, so I bought an Apple Mac Regarding DSL: I tried it on my now Debian machine- it installed ok; but I had problems with APT. Although it was nice to have X pre-configured, and a whole load of software ready-to-go, I found it was better to start with Debian Sarge from scratch. DSL (as i'm sure you have read) starts as a Live CD. Download it and see it for yourself- you may have better experiences with APT. Regards, Dave.

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Excluding a directory with cpio
by Wayne Stallwood 27 Jan '06

27 Jan '06

I am trying to write some automation into a tape based DR process for an elderly SCO unix Box I have an archive of the live systems complete filesystem which I can recover using a carefully formatted cpio command. However I want to exclude a few of the top level directories from this recovery (mostly /stand). I've worked out how to use the find command to extract only certain files, but how do I do the opposite ?

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Damn Small Linux
by Simon Royal 26 Jan '06

26 Jan '06

Hi I have been reading about DSL (Damn Small Linux) and wondered if anyone had any experience with it. I know it is capable of running on a 386, so my problem of finding a cheap Pentium laptop to run Linux on sufficiently shouldn't be a problem. I wondered if anyone knows how stable it is? does it work with wifi cards? what the desktop is like? any general info? Kind Regards Simon Royal ---- www.majikb.co.uk The box said requires Windows 2000 or better, so I bought an Apple Mac

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Re: [ALUG] Linux On P2 (Was Ubuntu)
by Peter 25 Jan '06

25 Jan '06

1) Debian with either Windowmaker, fvwm, Fluxbox or Blackbox and Koffice instead of OO. 2) Slackware with same 3) DSL (fluxbox) 4) stx 5) Vector 4.3. Not Soho. 6) Astrumix 7) Maybe Beatrix, didn't work for me. 8) e-live 9) Little Debian (page seems to be only in spanish) 10) Puppy Peter

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Re: main Digest, Vol 7, Issue 29
by David Noble 25 Jan '06

25 Jan '06

I have debian running very quickly on a celeron 650/64 megs of ram. If you use a window manager like Fluxbox or FVWM, it makes all the difference. Good luck! Dave.

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Re: ubuntu
by Peter 23 Jan '06

23 Jan '06

Surely it is not the distribution? Though Slackware or the Slackware derived Vector, might be a bit faster. Surely its the Window Manager? On slow machines, fvwm or Windowmaker should run fine regardless of what distro, and kde or gnome should be painful similarly regardless of distro. Fluxbox or blackbox should be very fast. Or maybe even enlightenment? I found that WindowMaker and the others mentioned would run fine on Debian on a 200mhz mmx with 64Mb memory. Nothing with KDE or Gnome would even boot. KOffice would run fine, but OO was painful. Konqueror was fine too, though xfe was snappier as a file manager. If you want to test before you buy, boot with DSL. If DSL works well, then Ubuntu with a light WM will most probably work too. There are isos of e-live available also, if you want to test enlightenment. Peter

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Brett Parker 23 Jan '06

23 Jan '06

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. Historically, these used to be the only time a lot of us would be about, now the channel has some usual faces that are there most of the time (except at silly o'clock, when we might be sleeping, or on the second thursday of the month, where we might be drinking in the Reindeer), so don't feel limited to visit during this time, come visit us when ever you feel like it! The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include xchat, irssi and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://www.irssi.org/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Ubuntu
by Simon Royal 22 Jan '06

22 Jan '06

Hi I have been running a Ubuntu live CD on a G3 iBook and quite liked it, its the best Linux distro I have encountered. Has anyone any experience with it. I want to buy a laptop to run it on and wondered if anyone had it running on a lo-spec machine as I am short on cash so need to find cheap laptop to run it on. I wondered if anyone has wireless experience in Ubuntu as I have a 802.11g wireless network and what machines they have been run on. Regards Simon Royal >- The box said Windows 2000 or better, so I bought a Mac

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Re: Ubuntu
by Simon 22 Jan '06

22 Jan '06

Hey, Yeah, Ubuntu rocks. It's the distro that got me into Linux 100% and I love it! If you want to run it on a low-spec machine, forget Gnome, for a start. You want to install XFCE, it's easy-- do the following; sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop Logout, and click "Sessions" on gdm. Choose XFCE and log back in. The xubuntu-desktop is just a meta package which tells Ubuntu what packages it needs to download for XFCE. Other low-resorce desktops include fluxbox and IceWM. Check them out on Google.. If you look around on the Ubuntu Forums there's a number of threads in the Customisation and Tips section which show you how to fine-tune Ubuntu. For example, disabling unwanted services makes the machine boot quicker. I've not timed mine recently but it doesn't take long at all after disabling stuff like the dialup adapter, the bluetooth module (don't have bluetooth) etc etc. http://ubuntuforums.org/ My laptop has built-in wireless 802.11g and I use it with Ubuntu all the time when I'm at home. Using a prog called "network-manager", apt-get install that for better use. It "just works"(tm).. Never had a problem with it. :) As for cheap laptops, I can't recommend Novatech highly enough. http://www.sionide.net/index.php?page=hardware That's my laptop. It was £609 but they do them much much cheaper than that. See http://www.novatech.co.uk/ -Simon Elliott ps. If you want a set of Ubuntu 5.10 Breezy Badger CDs for PPC, let me know - I have loads.. > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:23:40 +0000 > From: Simon Royal <s.royal(a)totalise.co.uk> > Subject: [ALUG] Ubuntu > To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > Message-ID: <736C81D6-59D7-447F-A5EE-F5F9EB57FF5A(a)totalise.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Hi > > I have been running a Ubuntu live CD on a G3 iBook and quite liked > it, its the best Linux distro I have encountered. Has anyone any > experience with it. > > I want to buy a laptop to run it on and wondered if anyone had it > running on a lo-spec machine as I am short on cash so need to find > cheap laptop to run it on. > > I wondered if anyone has wireless experience in Ubuntu as I have a > 802.11g wireless network and what machines they have been run on. > > > Regards > Simon Royal > > >- The box said Windows 2000 or better, so I bought a Mac >

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Antique computer parts: PCI ethernet cards and 5.25 inch disk drives
by Jan T. Kim 19 Jan '06

19 Jan '06

Dear group, in a cardboard box, we've found * two PCI ethernet cards (different models, a large one with a 3Com chip on it and three different sockets, and a much smaller one with just an RJ45 socket * two 5.25 inch disk drives If any of you is interested in these pieces, please send me an email. I'd like to get rid of them all at once. It's pretty clear to me that these things won't have any value unless you happen to have some rather old computer system, e.g. out of historical interest or the like. This email is just an attempt to wrest some final use out of these things before they're scrapped. Best regards, Jan -- +- Jan T. Kim -------------------------------------------------------+ | email: jtk(a)cmp.uea.ac.uk | | WWW: http://www.cmp.uea.ac.uk/people/jtk | *-----=< hierarchical systems are for files, not for humans >=-----*

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RE: [ALUG] apt-get question
by Keith Watson 19 Jan '06

19 Jan '06

> From: Owen Synge Sent: 14 January 2006 10:36 > > #!/bin/sh > # clone debian system > # References http://www.inittab.de/manuals/debootstrap.html > # http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:XStg8MdXobEJ:hacking.dk/talks/debian/tip… > # > # > TARGET_DIR=/mnt/hda9/ford_image > DEBIAN_MIRROR_HOST=192.168.0.12 > DEBIAN_MIRROR_PORT=9999 > > DEBIAN_APT_SOURCES=sources.list > DEBIAN_APT_INTERFACES=autoinstaller.etc.network.interfaces > DEBIAN_FSTAB=autoinstaller.etc.fstab > debootstrap sarge $TARGET_DIR > http://${DEBIAN_MIRROR_HOST}:${DEBIAN_MIRROR_PORT}/main > dpkg --get-selections > ${TARGET_DIR}/autoinstall_dpkg.db > debconf-get-selections > ${TARGET_DIR}/autoinstall_debconf.db > cp ${DEBIAN_APT_SOURCES} ${TARGET_DIR}/etc/apt/sources.list > cp ${DEBIAN_APT_INTERFACES} ${TARGET_DIR}/etc/network/interfaces > cp ${DEBIAN_FSTAB} ${TARGET_DIR}/etc/fstab chroot > ${TARGET_DIR} apt-get update > > #base-config > > > #Man kan bruge sin backup med følgende kommandoer: > > debconf-set-selections < ${TARGET_DIR}/autoinstall_debconf.db > dpkg --set-selections < ${TARGET_DIR}/autoinstall_dpkg.db > apt-get dselect-upgrade apt-get -u dist-upgrade > Cheers Owen, interesting use of debconf (now where's my Danish/English dictionary :o) ) Regards, Keith ____________ 'The people who get on in this world are the people who get up and look for the circumstances they want, - and, if they can't find them, make them.' - - George Bernard Shaw

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WAN/LAN IP routing/spoofing question
by Chris Green 18 Jan '06

18 Jan '06

My Zyxel router can limit access to its web configuration menu in various ways, i.e. it can be:- From LAN only, from WAN only or from anywhere From any IP address or from a single specified IP address The trouble is that I'd like to be able to configure it when I'm at home, that means "from LAN only, any IP address" *and* from work which means "from WAN only, specified IP address". The options are exclusive so I can't have both together. Can anyone suggest a way I can either:- Make my home machine's browser look like it's connecting from an outside IP address? or:- Make it look like a connection from work is coming from within my home LAN? I suspect the second possibility above is more likely to be possible, though I don't quite see how at the moment. The router is a Zyxel 2602HW by the way. -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

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OT: SGI IRIX MIPSpro C Compiler
by Ashley T. Howes, Ph.D. 17 Jan '06

17 Jan '06

I recently acquired a SGI Indy with IRIX 6.5 to run my old Ph.D. research on. This now works and I can run the original executables I built several years ago. However, I can't actually recompile any code, because I need an additional piece of software: MIPSpro C Compiler Given that the members of this group come from a variety of backgrounds, I was wondering if anyone out there has a license for this software they no longer require, or can supply it at a low cost. Any help would be useful. Thank-you in advance. -- Ashley

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OpenAdvantage
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 17 Jan '06

17 Jan '06

Hi Fenny Folks, You may be interested to study http://www.openadvantage.org and in particular http://www.openadvantage.org/about/whyfree/view which states: Why are We Free? Advantage West Midlands, the regional development agency have provided significant funding to OpenAdvantage and as a result everything on offer at our Solution Centre is free of charge. The EU is adopting a positive stance in the use of Open Source and the West Midlands is taking the lead for the UK. OpenAdvantage offer a full range of services, from consultancy, to seminars and training to enable all business's and organisations understand more, adopt and gain a business advantage from using Open Source software. EEDA anyone? Best wishes to all, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 17-Jan-06 Time: 12:20:44 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Any better ways to merge mbox files?
by Chris Green 16 Jan '06

16 Jan '06

I have two hierarchies of mbox mail, one is the 'live' one (called Mail) and the other is the archive (called MailArchive). I want to set up a cron job such that all mail that I save in the Mail hierarchy will also be automatically merged into the MailArchive hierarchy. This then allows me to delete old mail from the Mail hierarchy safe in the knowledge that it's archived. The Mail and MailArchive hierarchies have the same basic filenames and structure so a simple 'sledgehammer' approach is to do the following:- Use 'find' to traverse the Mail hieararchy. For each mbox file run 'formail' on both the Mail and the MailArchive mbox into a temporary file Run 'formail' on the temporary file to remove duplicates and put the result in place of the MailArchive mbox. Can anyone think of a more elegant way of doing this? Actually I think I've thought of one possible improvement, I can avoid that second 'formail' by adding the remove duplicates option to the first 'formail' pass. In fact that would seem to be reasonably efficient now I come to think of it. (... and don't anyone say use Maildir, I have moved to using Maildir several times over the past few years and every time I return to mbox after a few weeks. Maildir just isn't so easy to live with, for me at least) -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

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Introducing myself
by Luzie U. Wingen 16 Jan '06

16 Jan '06

Hello everybody, after meeting some of you last Thursday in the Reindeer I finally come around joining the mailing list. A short introduction why I am interested in Linux: I am using Linux some years now for scientific computing in the biosciences. There is quite a lot useful software around for Linux and doing analyses with help of scripts seems to be a much more sensible thing than doing millions of clicks on a Windows machine ... I have some experiences with Suse (yes, I am from Germany) and debian but now have to work on Redhat or Fedora. There may turn up questions related to that ... Luzie

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RE: [ALUG] DVD Burning
by Keith Watson 16 Jan '06

16 Jan '06

> From: MJ Ray Sent: 13 January 2006 19:52 > > "Keith Watson" <keith.watson(a)kewill.com> > > Has anyone got any comments, warnings, POW, etc. about burning data > > DVDs under Gnu/Linux? > > - growisofs is much simpler than cdrecord; > - libburn looked nice, but I've still not upgraded to it, not > sure whether it does DVDs too; and > - I still don't get asked for DVDs anywhere near as often as for CDs. > > Hope that helps, Had a play with both K3B and growisofs at the weekend, both worked very well and did everything I asked. Interestingly K3B seems to use growisofs as its backend for DVD burning. I must admit as an old time fogey (punch cards, paper tape, etc. etc.) I'm still more comfortable with CLI rather than GUI tools (I'm always a little bit paranoid about what GUI tools are doing behind my back) so I think I'll probably be using growisofs most of the time. Regards, Keith ____________ BEAUTY, n. - The power by which a woman charms a lover and terrifies a husband. - Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Brett Parker 16 Jan '06

16 Jan '06

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. Historically, these used to be the only time a lot of us would be about, now the channel has some usual faces that are there most of the time (except at silly o'clock, when we might be sleeping, or on the second thursday of the month, where we might be drinking in the Reindeer), so don't feel limited to visit during this time, come visit us when ever you feel like it! The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include xchat, irssi and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://www.irssi.org/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Items for disposal
by Stuart Bailey 14 Jan '06

14 Jan '06

Hi, After having a clear out, I have a couple of items to dispose of. If they are of any use to anyone (for free) please let me know by Monday, when they will be sent to the recycling centre. 19" CRT monitor - unbranded, but in full working order Boxed set of SuSE 9.1 disks - complete with manuals. Many thanks, Stuart. -- --------------------------------------- Stuart Bailey BSc (hons) CEng CITP MBCS LinuSoft (Proprietor) Linux Specialist (01953) 601294 (07778) 383739 http://www.linusoft.co.uk ----------------------------------------

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RE: [ALUG] apt-get question
by Keith Watson 14 Jan '06

14 Jan '06

On 11/1/2006, "Adam Bower" <adam(a)thebowery.co.uk> wrote: >On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 02:02:07PM -0000, Safe Hammad wrote: > >> > Then... >> > >> > apt-get dist-upgrade (i /think/) > >> I'd go for apt-get dselect-upgrade (rather than dist-upgrade) ... :o) >> Cheers, >> Safe > >ummm, yeah. That's the one... not used it for some time ;) Interestingly neither dselect-upgrade or dist-upgrade would install _all_ the marked packages. Can anyone think why that was? I wondered if it was something to do with package interdependencies. Anyway I reverted to plan A and apt-get to download the package files on a fast connection, moved them to the new box and dpkg to install them. That worked a treat and I've successfully added the same list of packages installed on my old box onto the new one. --- (incidentally at the bottom of the man page for dpkg it says; To make a local copy of the package selection states: dpkg --get-selections >myselections You might transfer this file to another computer, and install it there with: dpkg --set-selections <myselections Note that this will not actually install or remove anything, but just set the selection state on the requested packages. You will need some other application to actually download and install the requested packages. --- dooh! ) Regards, Keith ____________ Do not fear the arising of thoughts - only be concerned lest your awareness of them be tardy. - Zen Saying

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DVD Burning
by Keith Watson 13 Jan '06

13 Jan '06

Has anyone got any comments, warnings, POW, etc. about burning data DVDs under Gnu/Linux? I got a DVD writer recently, specifically to use for backups, but have yet to get it to work properly with GnomeBaker (is there a better app?, perhaps I'd be better using simple CLI commands) although it works fine with Nero under Windows (haven't tried DVD video burning yet and probably won't for some time). Google turned up 'Coasterless DVD Burning' <http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/coasterless_dvd.htm> which I shall be studying but if anyone knows of any other useful resources they'd be welcome. Regards, Keith ____________ CORPORATION, n. - An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility. - Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary

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kexec
by rob page 13 Jan '06

13 Jan '06

Firstly cheers for those that were at the reindeer not being overly terrifying, much appreciated! Still can't get over the oddness of Tiger.. but.. i'm sure I'll recover... probably after a few more cups of tea.... anyway... as I was saying last night.... Never reboot again! kexec... switch kernels on the fly! http://www.xmission.com/~ebiederm/files/kexec/README Have fun! Rob. ps: Oh, and I'm sure I agreed to some other stuff... I think posting a video of my p200 booting faster than my athlon-xp... (although its actually a sempron.... it used to be an athlon-xp but that died over summer.... i still think of it as an athlon-xp), right.. more tea.

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rsync failure revisited
by Chris Green 12 Jan '06

12 Jan '06

Well I've been bashing away at this rsync problem I've had and have finally found the cause, if not the cure. I was trying to to a big rsync upload of data from my home Linux box to a remote system, a total of 35Mb or so and the rsync was simply hanging after a fairly short while, usually on big files. It turns out that my router loses sync when doing the upload, it looks like it can't cope when saturated in the upload direction. It's a Zyxel 660H, I've fired off a report to their support people but I'm not sure how much good that's going to do. A workaround for the moment is simply to limit the bandwidth that rsync uses, it has a convenient --bwlimit option to do exactly this. As it's just an overnight backup, making it a bit slower doesn't really matter. I'm testing it with the limit set to 64kb/s at the moment and it seems to be going OK. -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

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Strange rsync problem
by Chris Green 12 Jan '06

12 Jan '06

I'm trying to use rsync to upload a mailbox archive from my home system to the system that I usually use for handling my mail. I'm already successfully using rsync in the opposite direction. What happens is that rsync gets part of the way through the transfer (it does about 3.9Mb out of 75Mb) and then it just hangs. I've looked at the files it has transferred and the point at which it has stopped and can see no oddities in permissions or anything like that. The command I'm using is:- rsync --rsh='/usr/bin/ssh -l chris -x' --recursive \ --exclude=in/ --exclude=li/ --exclude=mfolder \ /home/chris/MailArchive halkidiki.areti.com: It's normally run by cron in the middle of the night but I'm trying it just now from the command line and the same problem seems to be there. In my mail I'm getting the following error from cron:- Read from remote host halkidiki.areti.com: Connection timed out rsync: writefd_unbuffered failed to write 4 bytes: phase "unknown": Broken pipe rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(836) This error arrives 23 minutes (consistent for two nights anyway) after the cron command is run. When run from the command line it looks like it's going to take just as long to fail. Has anyone got any ideas what might be going wrong? -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

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Relpats-eht
by Simon 12 Jan '06

12 Jan '06

Hey all, got some time to waste? Found a cool website yesterday, it's one of those internet puzzles. Start here: http://www.relpats-eht.com/ The answer to each page is the directory name of the second, as is explained on the second page. I'm still not sure if anyone has completed it yet, but there are as far as I know, 12 or more stages to it. Good luck.

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New Year's Resolutions
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 12 Jan '06

12 Jan '06

Hi Folks, I don't know how many of you follow Sandra Henry-Stocker's excellent series of articles on open.itworld.com (but it's worth keeping in touch if you don't). The latest has clearly been crafted under the influence of emerging from the festive season, and gives 12 New Year's Resolutions for Unix sysadmins. See http://open.itworld.com/5040/nls_unix_resolution060111/page_1.html They're all good advice, I think; my particular favourites are -- Learn Linux -- Find a better job or make your current job better -- Have a life and (somewhat ambiguously ... ) -- Get yourself certified Best wishes to all, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 12-Jan-06 Time: 09:26:41 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Networking issues
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 12 Jan '06

12 Jan '06

Hi Folks, A couple of distinct questions. 1. Computers on a LAN are "behind" an ADSL modem/router which faces out to the Net. Seen from outside, this router has IP address PPP.QQQ.RRR.SSS From inside the LAN it can be accessed either from the above address or from an "internal" IP address 192.168.1.1 On the LAN are sundry machines with IP addresses 192.168.1.yyy or (on a subnet) 192.168.0.zzz Question: Is there any way by which one can address one of the "internal" machines from outside (i.e. the Net). Clearly, for instance, telnet PPP.QQQ.RRR.SSS would at best connect to the router (which does respond to telnet, by the way). What I'm wondering is if there's anything like telnet @PPP.QQQ.RRR.SSS!192.168.1.yyy i.e. to "route" the telnet request for connection to the internal machine at 192.168.1.yyy through the externally visible address PPP.QQQ.RRR.SSS 2. This one's a real Linux question! Suppose the internal machines, instead of having static IP addresses set up on them, get dynamic IPs handed out by the router. With the static IPs, each machine can have a /etc/hosts file which associates the IP address with the machines name within the LAN, including a short "nickname". E.g. 192.168.0.6 brandy.my.home.lan brandy br so, e.g., in the LAN I can do "telnet br". But, with dynamic IPs, this association would break down. "brandy" would no longer have IP address 192.168.0.6 So -- What's the equivalent mechanism when dynamic IPs are used? If I do telnet br would this simply not work (because there's no IP/name association), or is there a mechanism whereby allocation of a dynamic IP address to brandy.my.home.lan would set up an association with this name (and to chosen nicknames "brandy", "br") as in the /etc/hosts file? And, if so, where does it (and its components) reside? Thanks, and best wishes to all, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 11-Jan-06 Time: 17:15:20 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Strange Banana
by Keith Watson 12 Jan '06

12 Jan '06

http://www.strangebanana.com/generator.aspx Regards, Keith ____________ People would rather sleep through life than stay awake for it. - Edward Albee

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Funny but true enough
by Wayne Stallwood 11 Jan '06

11 Jan '06

A lovely article about the difficulties a Linux user had Switching to Windows. http://madpenguin.org/cms/html/47/5937.html

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New Joiner
by Safe Hammad 11 Jan '06

11 Jan '06

Hi Everyone, Happy New Year! I'm currently in the throws of moving to the Great City of Norwich and I decided it might be a good thing to join the ALUG mailing list. Following the instructions for newbies to the list, here's a short description of why I'm interested in Linux ... I started my computing life in 1981 with the Sinclair ZX81. After flirting with machines like the ZX Spectrum and BBC Micro, I found myself about to start a job programming Java on Solaris Unix machines early in 2000. I'd not used Unix before so I thought I should learn a bit before I started. I found some Red Hat 6.1 discs and an old PC and I haven't looked back since ... To me, Linux is like a shiny Swiss Army Knife. There's a limitless number of exciting tools old and new waiting to be discovered that come straight out of the box (or a swift apt-get install) to have fun with and get your job done, and all this for free! It doesn't get much better than that ... Looking forward to meeting you all once I've found the Reindeer! Cheers, Safe Hammad (Yep, that's really my name) P.S. Thanks, Adam, for helping me to get this post out. I've now found that pesky "HTML off" switch! ;o)

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apt-get question
by Keith Watson 11 Jan '06

11 Jan '06

As this is my 1st post of 2006, A Happy New Year everyone and I hope you enjoyed whatever solstice celebrations you had (if any) :o) Here's one for the debian aficionados on the list, is it possible to use apt-get install with a list of packages fed in from a file? e.g. something like; apt-get install {filename} or apt-get install < {filename} Regards, Keith ____________ The best use of your mind is to distrust it. - François Fénelon

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RE: [ALUG] apt-get question
by Keith Watson 11 Jan '06

11 Jan '06

> From: Adam Bower Sent: 11 January 2006 13:46 > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 02:35:43PM -0000, Keith Watson wrote: > > > Here's one for the debian aficionados on the list, is it > possible to use apt-get install with a list of packages fed > in from a file? > > Another way to do this is: > > (on box 1) > > dpkg --get-selections > foo > > (copy foo to box 2 then on box 2) > > dpkg --set-selections < foo > > Then... > > apt-get dist-upgrade (i /think/) > ooh, very nice! I haven't got round to getting broadband yet but I can see how I could combine this with apt-zip so I could download the packages elsewhere. I will definitely try this and let you know how I get on. Thanks Adam :D Regards, Keith ____________ There is nothing infinite apart from finite things - D.T. Suzuki

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RE: [ALUG] apt-get question
by Keith Watson 11 Jan '06

11 Jan '06

> From: Richard Kettlewell Sent: 11 January 2006 12:53 > > Steve Engledow <sengledow(a)formrecognition.com> writes: > > >> Here's one for the debian aficionados on the list, is it possible to > >> use apt-get install with a list of packages fed in from a file? > > > > cat filename | xargs sudo apt-get install > > xargs sudo apt-get install < filename > Yes, I forgot about xargs. A nice little utility, especially when used with something like find. However I went with the $(cat filename) option as it seemed IMO a little more elegant to use the shell's built in features rather than a separate program (but that's just a personal bit of lunacy :-) ) In case you're interested, what I'm doing is setting up a new box. I started off just upgrading from a 20Gb to an 80Gb HD (friend was upgrading from 80Gb to 200Gb so I got it cheap) and then decided to get a DVD-RW drive for backing up the new drive and then a colleague at work had a system unit minus HD and DVD/CD going spare (faster CPU, better graphics, more memory, etc, etc) so I ended up with a completely "new" system unit. I had 2 issues; 1) cloning my WinXP home set up to the new disk 2) duplicating my Ubuntu set-up on the new system Didn't want the hassle of a complete new WinXP install (plus all the cruft accumulated over the years) so tried copying the partition using Partition Manager, partimage and a couple of others whose name escapes me but the windows protection kept getting in the way. Finally found a nice little utility called HDClone <http://www.miray.de/products/sat.hdclone.html#free>. It's proprietary but free for personal use. Worked a treat. Was very impressed by the development that has occurred to partimage since I last looked, if you're interested it's worth also looking at the SystemRescueCd <http://www.sysresccd.org/>, I found it invaluable when I was backing up bits of my original disk and moving things around. For various reasons, I wanted to do a fresh install of Ubuntu (5.10) and then add all the extra packages I'd installed since. Getting a list of my currently installed packages was easy using apt-showversions (yes I know about dpkg-query but apt-showversions' output was easier to edit) and editing the resulting output into a list of installed packages. A complete new ubuntu install takes just minutes, so, hopefully, using apt-get and the list of packages I should be more or less back to where I was but with better kit. Hence the original question. Regards, Keith ____________ ABSURDITY, n. - A statement or belief manifestly inconsistent with one's own opinion. - Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary

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RE: [ALUG] apt-get question
by Keith Watson 10 Jan '06

10 Jan '06

> From: Keith Watson Sent: 10 January 2006 15:38 > > > From: Maz Walker Sent: 10 January 2006 15:16 > > > > Keith, try this: apt-get install $(cat filename) > > damm! didn't work, picks up the package names as apt-get > operands rather than package names. > > still it's further than I ever got :o) > TADA It Worked! Just needed to take the newlines out and make the list one long string. :D > > On 1/10/06, Keith Watson <keith.watson(a)kewill.com> wrote: > > > > Here's one for the debian aficionados on the list, is > it possible to > > use apt-get install with a list of packages fed in from a file? > > > > e.g. something like; > > > > apt-get install {filename} > > > > or > > > > apt-get install < {filename} > > Regards, > > Keith > ____________ > Sushi! - its not fresh, its raw. > Regards, Keith ____________ In my end is my beginning - T.S.Eliot

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RE: [ALUG] apt-get question
by Keith Watson 10 Jan '06

10 Jan '06

> From: Maz Walker Sent: 10 January 2006 15:16 > > Keith, try this: apt-get install $(cat filename) damm! didn't work, picks up the package names as apt-get operands rather than package names. still it's further than I ever got :o) > On 1/10/06, Keith Watson <keith.watson(a)kewill.com> wrote: > > Here's one for the debian aficionados on the list, is it possible to > use apt-get install with a list of packages fed in from a file? > > e.g. something like; > > apt-get install {filename} > > or > > apt-get install < {filename} Regards, Keith ____________ Sushi! - its not fresh, its raw.

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RE: [ALUG] apt-get question
by Keith Watson 10 Jan '06

10 Jan '06

> From: Maz Walker Sent: 10 January 2006 15:16 > > Kieth, try this: apt-get install $(cat filename) dooh!!, yes, of course [blushing and looking around for small hole to crawl into] > On 1/10/06, Keith Watson <keith.watson(a)kewill.com> wrote: > > As this is my 1st post of 2006, A Happy New Year > everyone and I hope you enjoyed whatever solstice > celebrations you had (if any) :o) > > Here's one for the debian aficionados on the list, is > it possible to use apt-get install with a list of packages > fed in from a file? > > e.g. something like; > > apt-get install {filename} > > or > > apt-get install < {filename} ta Maz, Keith ____________ What you think you own, owns you. - Zen Saying

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MythTV
by stuart＠dontuse.ms 09 Jan '06

09 Jan '06

Hi all First time here so go gentle :) Im have a little trouble with Myth MUX's Ive got 3 dvb cards locked and tuned to tacolnestone using linuxdvb-apps, that bits fine. Ive set myth to use EIT program scedules only, no xmltv. The trouble is myth only seems to see the channels one on MUX 810000000, which is mainly the bbc channels. Soooo my question is, how do I make myth see all six mux's? Stuart aka Shrek (i'll be in irc tonight)

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Microvitec Cub Monitor
by Tony 09 Jan '06

09 Jan '06

Hi, Thought someone here might have a use for this! Some kind person has given me a monitor which he thought I could use with a PC but when I opened the box, it is a Microvitec Cub model 1441 / DS2. I believe these were used with Acorn and BBC computers. If anyone wants it, drop me a line. I don't have anything that will plug into it to test it and can only go by what I am told in so far as it is working. I have plugged it into the mains and it powers up. It has one 6 pin din socket on the back marked TTL input. I would of put it on Ebay but as I can't test it, happy to give it away. Collect from Witham only. Picture at http://www.ittiger.co.uk/pictures/microvitec.JPG . Tony -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.15/223 - Release Date: 06/01/2006

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[ALUG Announce] 2nd Thursday Norwich Meet : Reindeer, Dereham Road
by Jonathan McDowell 09 Jan '06

09 Jan '06

ALUG Announce Please send announcements to Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce ----- The monthly "Second Thursday" ALUG Norwich Pub Meet is this Thursday, 12th January. It's at the Reindeer pub on the Dereham Road, just opposite the City Gate. People will be there from 8pm-ish, though there may be a few people there earlier. I unfortunately can't make it this month. Topics for discussion will no doubt be as varied as ever. The Reindeer has a reasonable selection of beer as well as decent coffee (with biscuits, if you're lucky). Hopefully this month it will be a bit quieter; we managed to collide with an NU Christmas party in December, which made it hard to hear each other. Directions to the Reindeer can be found at: http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/reindeer.html Pictures of some of the regulars, and irregulars, and, well, just some pictures of people that might or might not turn up are available from: http://www.earth.li/~noodles/Photos/2004-08-ALUG/ http://www.earth.li/~noodles/Photos/2005-01-ALUG-Xmas/ http://the.earth.li/~noodles/stilvoid-alug/mp20050811/ (I'll bring my camera next month to try and get more up-to-date photos.) Which should hopefully aid those of you wondering who to look out for. We're /normally/ just to the left of the main entrance, though the last few times we've ended up at the far end of the pub beside the pool table, as there are comfy seats at that end. J. -- /-\ | I pretend to work. They pretend to |@/ Debian GNU/Linux Developer | pay me. \- | ----- Send discussion replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk (Reply-To set) Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Brett Parker 09 Jan '06

09 Jan '06

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. Historically, these used to be the only time a lot of us would be about, now the channel has some usual faces that are there most of the time (except at silly o'clock, when we might be sleeping, or on the second thursday of the month, where we might be drinking in the Reindeer), so don't feel limited to visit during this time, come visit us when ever you feel like it! The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include xchat, irssi and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://www.irssi.org/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Problems with (wireless) optical mouse
by Jan T. Kim 08 Jan '06

08 Jan '06

Dear all, while travelling in Germany, I bought a Sunnyline "Mini RF Optical Mouse 'freestyle RF'". Unfortunately, the mouse has problems: When the mouse is lifted a bit off the surface, the mouse pointer zig-zags towards the lower righthand corner of the screen. It also seems to me that when sliding the mouse on the surface, the pointer moves right / down more readily than left / up. I've opened the mouse and cleaned the plastic prism / lens etc. stuff, and also widened the hole underneath the lens, but nothing has even made a difference. I realize that this is not a Linux specific problem, but perhaps, someone here had a similar experience and can suggest a fix for this problem. Best regards, Jan -- +- Jan T. Kim -------------------------------------------------------+ | email: jtk(a)cmp.uea.ac.uk | | WWW: http://www.cmp.uea.ac.uk/people/jtk | *-----=< hierarchical systems are for files, not for humans >=-----*

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Data transfer rate over openvpn
by Jenny Hopkins 07 Jan '06

07 Jan '06

Hullo there, I've just moved my backup server offsite. The server has an nfs mounted share on my server at work, and the work server runs dirvish backup (which uses rsync), backing up to this mounted directory. I'm using an openvpn tunnel, and have specified the nfs mount thus: rw,hard,wsize=1024,rsize=1024,tcp,addr=10.3.0.3. Both tun0 have MTU=1500, and the network connection between work and home is broadband. Anyway, it took me ages to get it all going and it finally works, but it seems ever so slooooow. Is there a handy way to check transfer rate, or a way to speed it up? Thanks, Jenny

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Ebay and Firefox, again
by David Simon Cooper 07 Jan '06

07 Jan '06

Fellow brothers and sisters of the great God Linus, hear my cries and show me mercy (Not the one on Prince of Wales road). I looked at some posts from last month regarding ebay and Firefox. I am having so many problems with using ebay now I am having to use my Windows PC when ebaying. I use Fedora Core 4 (have been using FC series for several years) and KDE as shipped with the stabdard FC4 build. I have tried both firefox 1.0.4 and 1.5 and both just hang and time out when trying to view listings. "MyEbay" is a little slow but works. I tried Konqueror which was worse and Epiphany which was a little better. I have not actively used ebay for a few months so.......is FC4 no good for ebay or have Ebay added more MS only junk to the dynamic content that it won't work properly?. I know my firewall is fine as Ebay works fine on the windows PC's in my shared house. P.S does anyone else have to do the TCP/IP MTU trick with iptables to allow clamping of TCP/IP MTU sizes? I had to do this 6 months ago to get ebay working at all in my house when I moved. My old house 1 mile away did not require any such TCP/IP MTU clamping even though the hardware was the same, maybe something to do with the exchange or BT running gear or just an ebay thing. Happy new year David S Cooper

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Re: newb: Hello! (ubuntu connects)
by Simon 07 Jan '06

07 Jan '06

Firstly, welcome aboard. You'll be coming to the pub meets in Norwich?? Secondly, ouch! Have you got rid of Gnome yet?? Hopefully. But if not; On a machine of that speed, you'll want to be doing a... sudo apt-get install xubuntu ...which installs all the relavent packages to make XFCE the Desktop Environment. Log out and click "Sessions" on GDM - select XFCE from the list. XFCE is a light-weight, resource friendly DE which should handle much much better on your laptop. Other lightweight desktop environments you might like to try; fluxbox, IceWM. (PS. Didn't know if you meant newb to Alug or newb to Linux in general!) -Simon > > Message: 12 > Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 21:37:39 +0000 > From: Dave Cooper <dave(a)accuramatic.co.uk> > Subject: [ALUG] newb: Hello! (ubuntu connects) > To: Alug main List <main(a)lists.alug.org.uk> > Message-ID: <1136583460.6641.6.camel(a)localhost.localdomain> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Hello Alug! I'm a newb who joined the list on 23rd Dec: it's taken this > long to get ubuntu 5.10 on my (300mHz) laptop to connect, but here it > is! All filtered through it's unheard-of-by-linux (NetVin430) pcmcia > lan card too. Dave

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Samba problem with just one Windows client
by Chris Green 07 Jan '06

07 Jan '06

I run Samba on my Slackware Linux system. All our client computers except one can access the Samba shares OK. On the one that fails it connects OK and the network drive icon appears but when you click on the icon you get a message saying:- E: Access is Denied The same user can connect successfully from other computers on the network. We've checked all the obvious things like the client system is in the right workgroup and the IP address is right at both ends. Other things work fine (HTTP, telnet, etc.) A "net use E: \\server\homes" returns success but if you then try to go to drive E: you get "Access is denied". What are we missing? -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

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newb: Hello! (ubuntu connects)
by Dave Cooper 06 Jan '06

06 Jan '06

Hello Alug! I'm a newb who joined the list on 23rd Dec: it's taken this long to get ubuntu 5.10 on my (300mHz) laptop to connect, but here it is! All filtered through it's unheard-of-by-linux (NetVin430) pcmcia lan card too. Dave

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Firefox character set problem
by Chris Green 06 Jan '06

06 Jan '06

I'm just investigating a trip to Poland and thus I'm seeing lots of Polish web sites. Firefox is making a right pigs ear of all the special Polish characters (basically lots of different sorts of accents). It copes with French accents fine. What do I need to do to get it to handle the Polish alphabet. I have a suspicion I need a character set that's something other than iso8859-1 but trying the only font offered for "Central European" (which was an iso8859-2) didn't help at all. -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

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Re: main Digest, Vol 7, Issue 5
by Bob Dove 06 Jan '06

06 Jan '06

Hi Folks, Win2K - SP2 is well old. My 2 year old installation disc was Win2k inc SP2, I have since loaded SP3 and SP4. I upgraded to SP3 & 4 'cos Photoshop CS2 demanded it. Actually, CS2 runs as happily in SP2 as latter upgrades, however, it is now on a machine that doesn't have a modem and connection. I have less crashes! Cheers, BD. ----- Original Message ----- From: <main-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk> To: <main(a)lists.alug.org.uk> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 12:00 PM Subject: main Digest, Vol 7, Issue 5 > Send main mailing list submissions to > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > main-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk > > You can reach the person managing the list at > main-owner(a)lists.alug.org.uk > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of main digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Samba problem with just one Windows client (Chris Green) > 2. Re: Samba problem with just one Windows client (Steve Fosdick) > 3. Re: Samba problem with just one Windows client (Chris Green) > 4. Re: Re: Samba problem with just one Windows client > (Wayne Stallwood) > 5. Re: Re: Samba problem with just one Windows client (Chris Green) > 6. Re: Re: Re: Samba problem with just one Windows client > (Laurie Brown) > 7. Re: Re: Re: Samba problem with just one Windows client > (Chris Green) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:31:50 +0000 > From: Chris Green <chris(a)areti.co.uk> > Subject: [ALUG] Samba problem with just one Windows client > To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > Message-ID: <20060105223150.GA9083(a)areti.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I run Samba on my Slackware Linux system. > > All our client computers except one can access the Samba shares OK. > > On the one that fails it connects OK and the network drive icon > appears but when you click on the icon you get a message saying:- > > E: Access is Denied > > The same user can connect successfully from other computers on the > network. We've checked all the obvious things like the client system > is in the right workgroup and the IP address is right at both ends. > Other things work fine (HTTP, telnet, etc.) > > A "net use E: \\server\homes" returns success but if you then try to > go to drive E: you get "Access is denied". > > What are we missing? > > -- > Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) > > "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence." > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 00:03:04 +0000 > From: Steve Fosdick <lists(a)pelvoux.nildram.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [ALUG] Samba problem with just one Windows client > To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > Message-ID: <20060106000304.13d00306.lists(a)pelvoux.nildram.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:31:50 +0000 > > > What are we missing? > > Are you using encrypted passwords? Is the service pack level of the manfunctioning machine the same as the others? > > Steve. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:45:42 +0000 > From: Chris Green <chris(a)areti.co.uk> > Subject: [ALUG] Re: Samba problem with just one Windows client > To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > Message-ID: <20060106084542.GA10402(a)areti.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 12:03:04AM +0000, Steve Fosdick wrote: > > On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:31:50 +0000 > > > > > What are we missing? > > > > Are you using encrypted passwords? Is the service pack level of the manfunctioning machine the same as the others? > > > You're thinking down the same routes as us. Yes, we are using > encrypted passwords but it's been that way for a long time now > (several months). As far as I know the machine which doesn't work is > at the same level as the (only) other Win2k machine. > > The error seems to have arisen recently, some files were saved on a > Samba shared drive from that machine just before Christmas. Now it > doesn't work. > > We're racking our brains to think of something that's changed but > really can't think of anything. It's a very odd error as the shared > drive icon appears indicating everything is OK but you can't actually > access the files on the shared drive. > > -- > Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) > > "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence." > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 09:38:25 +0000 > From: Wayne Stallwood <ALUGlist(a)digimatic.plus.com> > Subject: Re: [ALUG] Re: Samba problem with just one Windows client > To: ALUG <main(a)lists.alug.org.uk> > Message-ID: <1136540305.8024.63.camel(a)localhost.localdomain> > Content-Type: text/plain > > On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 08:45 +0000, Chris Green wrote: > > > > > We're racking our brains to think of something that's changed but > > really can't think of anything. It's a very odd error as the shared > > drive icon appears indicating everything is OK but you can't actually > > access the files on the shared drive. > > > > It's very odd that the same user works from another machine, other than > that it sounds like a problem with the smbpasswd > passwd mapping. > > I assume you are not running Samba in DC mode ? > > At the point of authentication is there anything funny appearing in > Samba's logs (I am guessing that you don't see the actual failure but I > am just wondering if there are any clues before that) > > > You could try turning off encrypted passwords on the 2k machine as a > test (I am not suggesting you leave it like that). The best way to do > this (a lot of people seem to resort to hacking about in the registry) > is through Admin Tools, Local Security Policy, Security Settings, Local > Policies, Security Options, Enable "Send unencrypted passwords to 3rd > party SMB Servers" > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:54:39 +0000 > From: Chris Green <chris(a)areti.co.uk> > Subject: [ALUG] Re: Re: Samba problem with just one Windows client > To: ALUG <main(a)lists.alug.org.uk> > Message-ID: <20060106095439.GA10842(a)areti.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 09:38:25AM +0000, Wayne Stallwood wrote: > > On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 08:45 +0000, Chris Green wrote: > > > > > > > > We're racking our brains to think of something that's changed but > > > really can't think of anything. It's a very odd error as the shared > > > drive icon appears indicating everything is OK but you can't actually > > > access the files on the shared drive. > > > > > > > It's very odd that the same user works from another machine, other than > > that it sounds like a problem with the smbpasswd > passwd mapping. > > > > I assume you are not running Samba in DC mode ? > > > What's that? As I don't know what it is I doubt if I am running Samba > in DC mode. > > > > At the point of authentication is there anything funny appearing in > > Samba's logs (I am guessing that you don't see the actual failure but I > > am just wondering if there are any clues before that) > > > No, I looked at the logs, I can't see any difference between the > connections that work from other machines and the one that fails. > > > > > > You could try turning off encrypted passwords on the 2k machine as a > > test (I am not suggesting you leave it like that). The best way to do > > this (a lot of people seem to resort to hacking about in the registry) > > is through Admin Tools, Local Security Policy, Security Settings, Local > > Policies, Security Options, Enable "Send unencrypted passwords to 3rd > > party SMB Servers" > > > OK, thanks, I might try that. > > -- > Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) > > "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence." > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 11:10:07 +0000 > From: Laurie Brown <laurie(a)brownowl.com> > Subject: Re: [ALUG] Re: Re: Samba problem with just one Windows client > To: Chris Green <chris(a)areti.co.uk> > Cc: ALUG <main(a)lists.alug.org.uk> > Message-ID: <43BE500F.40809(a)brownowl.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Chris Green wrote: > > [SNIP] > > Chris, > > Have you installed SP2 for W2K recently? > > Cheers, Laurie. > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Laurie Brown > laurie(a)brownowl.com > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:19:17 +0000 > From: Chris Green <chris(a)areti.co.uk> > Subject: [ALUG] Re: Re: Re: Samba problem with just one Windows client > To: ALUG <main(a)lists.alug.org.uk> > Message-ID: <20060106111917.GA12184(a)areti.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 11:10:07AM +0000, Laurie Brown wrote: > > Chris Green wrote: > > > > [SNIP] > > > > Chris, > > > > Have you installed SP2 for W2K recently? > > > It's Ben's (my son's) machine that has the problem, I'll ask him but I > don't think he's installed any upgrades recently. > > -- > Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) > > "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence." > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > > > End of main Digest, Vol 7, Issue 5 > ********************************** > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.13/221 - Release Date: 04/01/2006 > >

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Putting my 'external' hostname in /etc/hosts, OK?
by Chris Green 04 Jan '06

04 Jan '06

Is there any way to make my 'external' host name resolve correctly when used on my home network behind a NAT router firewall? To access the apache server on my Linux box from the outside world the address is:- http://84-45-228-40.no-dns-yet.enta.net/ Is there any way I can get this to resolve when used on the LAN at home? This would allow me to send URLs to my wife and/or other family members so they can use them directly rather than me having to remember to change the 84-45-228-40.no-dns-yet.enta.net to the local name of my Linux box. I could go round adding an entry to all the LMHOSTS/HOSTS files in the Windows systems I suppose but that seems a little laborious. -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

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Suse and scanning again
by Peter 03 Jan '06

03 Jan '06

Thanks to Nick for replying! The problem, this morning, turned out to be not rebooting after editing the rsmgr file. What happens is, there is a white list for which scanners are allowed, and all others are forbidden. This is a change from 9.3 to 10.0. I think the idea is to stop malware addressing an imaginary scanner for some nefarious purpose. So, YAST is supposed to set the whitelist to the scanner you have defined, in resmgr, and indeed it does, but if you don't reboot, for some reason xsane does not see it, and you end up with my situation last night, where the files all look fine, but your user account cannot see the whitelist from xsane or iscan, but root can. The Suse materials don't tell you about rebooting, hence all the head scratching. Suse has another thing which is very puzzling and not documented as obviously as maybe it should be. To access a network printer, you need to run lppasswd (probably not the exact command). Then you set up a user and password, which is completely independent of your system users. It is quite odd, the signon passwords do not work, including root's, and when you set up a user to manage the printers, you can set them up with a different password. There must be a dedicated user/password file somewhere, just for printers. They must have some kind of reason for this stuff, but heaven help any users more naive than me! Peter

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Re: [ALUG] Permissions & scanning in Suse 10.0
by Nick Daniels 03 Jan '06

03 Jan '06

On Tuesday 03 January 2006 09:54, Peter Onion wrote: > There is a "printer setup wizard" which asks for a password > neither my password or root password works Have you set the cups password with lppasswd ? Peter Thanks Peter I have now, never had to do it in Suse before: lppasswd: user "root" and group "sys" do not exist. lppasswd: Password file not updated! linux:/home/nick # lppasswd -a root Regards - Nick Daniels

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Permissions & scanning in Suse 10.0
by Peter 03 Jan '06

03 Jan '06

Does anyone know how to do this? What happens is, I've gone through the YAST configuration of the scanner, and its there ok. In fact, its there twice, once with the epkowa driver and once with the xsane driver. Start up xsane as an ordinary user and it is not found. Same applies to kooka and to iscan. In a terminal or not, makes no odds. Start up xsane, or the others, as root, from a terminal, disregarding the dire warnings, they all see the scanner and everything works perfectly. They offer a choice between the scanner with the two drivers, as you would expect. Check /etc/resmgr in accordance with Suse instructions, and the relevant line of the form add usb vendor=xxxx,device=yyyy is there as its supposed to be and the numbers are correct. As you would expect, given that it works for root. Do /usr/sbin/lsusb as root, and its there. Do it as an ordinary user, and its not. It invites you to set permissions, without explaining how. So somehow, although YAST is supposed to set all the permissions right, it hasn't, and one has to set them manually. But where is the scanner to set its permissions, and what should they be set to? Or should I be finding the binaries of xsane and kooka and setting them to suid? Several hours now and counting.... Oh well, its how we learn. Regards, Peter

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Brett Parker 02 Jan '06

02 Jan '06

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. Historically, these used to be the only time a lot of us would be about, now the channel has some usual faces that are there most of the time (except at silly o'clock, when we might be sleeping, or on the second thursday of the month, where we might be drinking in the Reindeer), so don't feel limited to visit during this time, come visit us when ever you feel like it! The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include xchat, irssi and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://www.irssi.org/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Ergo Mercury Laptops
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 01 Jan '06

01 Jan '06

If anyone has acquaintance with Mercury laptops supplied by Ergo ( http://www.ergo.co.uk/ ) I'd be interested to hear from you! (probably best suited to off-list but OK on-list if you prefer). I'm particularly interested in the Mercury 700A model, and specifically (at the moment, though probaboy other things later) in the builtin ethernet interface device. With thanks, and while I'm at it: H A P P Y N E W Y E A R ! ! ! Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 31-Dec-05 Time: 21:27:53 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Re: (no subject) Should be titled dreambox!
by Ricky Bruce 30 Dec '05

30 Dec '05

doh

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(no subject)
by Ricky Bruce 30 Dec '05

30 Dec '05

just bought a dreambox 7000s (a linux based satellite system/pvr type thing, im very excited!) off of a bloke i know and would be very grateful if anyone else whos got one might be able to lend a helping hand/hints with regard to the softcam set up. shant bother you all with more specifics cos it wouldnt mean much unless youve got one cheers rick

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screensaver - how?
by Chris Green 28 Dec '05

28 Dec '05

Having moved from xfce to fvwm2 I now no longer seem to have a screensaver. xscreensaver is installed on my system but the manual pages don't make it clear how to actually run it. What's the 'normal' way of running it? -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Brett Parker 26 Dec '05

26 Dec '05

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. Historically, these used to be the only time a lot of us would be about, now the channel has some usual faces that are there most of the time (except at silly o'clock, when we might be sleeping, or on the second thursday of the month, where we might be drinking in the Reindeer), so don't feel limited to visit during this time, come visit us when ever you feel like it! The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include xchat, irssi and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://www.irssi.org/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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(no subject)
by Paul, Jean R 21 Dec '05

21 Dec '05

Hi I was given the charge of website administrator for an hospital located in the caribean. As most of the visitors will be on the side of the Atlantic, can buy a domain name(.org) in the UK, and can the website be hosted can here in the UK. If the answer is please forward me a good web hosting company. Many thanks

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Live Distro with NTFS read/write for slow PCs
by Ian Douglas 19 Dec '05

19 Dec '05

Hi, Does anyone know of a bootable Linux CD which allows both read and write NTFS file system access. I would prefer the distro to boot to the command line as it will be used on old (100MHz and below) PCs with ancient graphics cards. I just need access to the ls, cp, rm, mv type commands... nothing complicated. Seasons Greetings! Ian.

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Brett Parker 19 Dec '05

19 Dec '05

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. Historically, these used to be the only time a lot of us would be about, now the channel has some usual faces that are there most of the time (except at silly o'clock, when we might be sleeping, or on the second thursday of the month, where we might be drinking in the Reindeer), so don't feel limited to visit during this time, come visit us when ever you feel like it! The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include xchat, irssi and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://www.irssi.org/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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RE: [ALUG] Re: Apache Website Down?
by Keith Watson 15 Dec '05

15 Dec '05

> From: Chris Green Sent: 13 December 2005 13:23 > On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 01:18:10PM +0000, Darren wrote: > > Keith Watson wrote: > > >Can anyone get into the Apache website? (www.apache.org) Seems to be > > >down but it may just be our corporate firewall. > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > Down here as well, it was down last week as well from here > > > I seem to remember seeing someone saying on Usenet last night > that there's a big 'pipe' down somewhere that will be > affecting quite a bit of routing. I couldn't get to > www.richersounds.com last night (still > can't) and I also can't get to www.apache.org. > > -- > Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) > Wonder if it's this business over at Hemel Hempstead causing problems? Regards, Keith ____________ The beginning of wisdom is calling things by their right names. - Chinese Proverb

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Netgear DG834G
by Nick Daniels 15 Dec '05

15 Dec '05

Hi I have just been offered a Netgear DG834G ADSL Firewall Router, Would I have any trouble with this and Suse 10.0 Regards Nick Daniels

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FW: [ALUG] Apache Website Down?
by Keith Watson 13 Dec '05

13 Dec '05

> From: Ben Whyte Sent: 13 December 2005 14:37 > > Keith Watson wrote: > > >Can anyone get into the Apache website? (www.apache.org) Seems to be > >down but it may just be our corporate firewall. > > > >Regards, > > > >Keith > > Cant get it from here. > > Ben > Another one that didn't make it to the list (please, no more overlooooong threads about broken emailers!!) Regards, Keith ____________ Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. - (Whatever is said in Latin sounds profound.)

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FW: [ALUG] Apache Website Down?
by Keith Watson 13 Dec '05

13 Dec '05

> From: Ashley T. Howes, Ph.D. Sent: 13 December 2005 13:18 > On 12/13/05, Keith Watson <keith.watson(a)kewill.com> wrote: > > Can anyone get into the Apache website? (www.apache.org) Seems to be > > down but it may just be our corporate firewall. > > I can't see it either. From NTL, the traceroute breaks after > the 17th hop at: > ge-130.br01-200p.unitedlayer.com (207.7.159.130) > > Ashley > I hope you meant this for the list Ashley (leastways, nothing incriminating that I can see :o) ) Regards, Keith ____________ BAROMETER, n. - An ingenious instrument which indicates what kind of weather we are having. - Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary

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Apache Website Down?
by Keith Watson 13 Dec '05

13 Dec '05

Can anyone get into the Apache website? (www.apache.org) Seems to be down but it may just be our corporate firewall. Regards, Keith ____________ AIR, n. - A nutritious substance supplied by a bountiful Providence for the fattening of the poor. - Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Brett Parker 12 Dec '05

12 Dec '05

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. Historically, these used to be the only time a lot of us would be about, now the channel has some usual faces that are there most of the time (except at silly o'clock, when we might be sleeping, or on the second thursday of the month, where we might be drinking in the Reindeer), so don't feel limited to visit during this time, come visit us when ever you feel like it! The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.alug.org.uk in the #alug channel. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server irc.alug.org.uk" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include xchat, irssi and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://www.irssi.org/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Best tool for resizing Jpegs, preferably command line
by Chris Green 11 Dec '05

11 Dec '05

What's a quick and easy tool for resizing (as in changing the default screen size) of a Jpeg file? I have some scanned images that I want to display smaller on web pages and, although gimp will do it, it does seem a bit of a sledgehammer to crack a nut. It would be nice to be able to just say something like:- someProgram -x 400 -y 200 <old.jpg >new.jpg Going further, is it easy/possible to change the size of an image according to the size of the browser window being used? I use a 1600x1200 display at home so a 400x200 image will be quite small really but if anyone looks at the same page on (say) 800x600 it's going to be a bit on the large size. -- Chris Green (chris(a)areti.co.uk) "Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."

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[ALUG Announce] 2nd Thursday Norwich Meet : Reindeer, Dereham Road
by Jonathan McDowell 11 Dec '05

11 Dec '05

ALUG Announce Please send announcements to Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce ----- The monthly "Second Thursday" ALUG Norwich Pub Meet is this Thursday, 8th December. It's at the Reindeer pub on the Dereham Road, just opposite the City Gate. We'll be there from 8pm-ish, though there may be a few people there earlier. Topics for discussion will no doubt be as varied as ever. The Reindeer has a reasonable selection of beer as well as decent coffee (with biscuits, if you're lucky). Directions to the Reindeer can be found at: http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/reindeer.html Pictures of some of the regulars, and irregulars, and, well, just some pictures of people that might or might not turn up are available from: http://www.earth.li/~noodles/Photos/2004-08-ALUG/ http://www.earth.li/~noodles/Photos/2005-01-ALUG-Xmas/ http://the.earth.li/~noodles/stilvoid-alug/mp20050811/ Which should hopefully aid those of you wondering who to look out for. We're /normally/ just to the left of the main entrance, though the last couple of times we've ended up at the far end of the pub beside the pool table. J. -- 101 things you can't have too much of : 41 - Tea. ----- Send discussion replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk (Reply-To set) Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce

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Changing Cursor Appearance in xterm
by rob page 10 Dec '05

10 Dec '05

Well, see subject really.. my girlfriend wants her terminal cursor to more resemble the cursors seen everywhere else, ie: a line instead of a block.... I'm sure I saw a way to do this many moons ago, but maybe not....

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Re: [ALUG] Best tool for resizing Jpegs, preferably command line
by Anthony Anson 09 Dec '05

09 Dec '05

The message <43997F2A.2090301(a)quarella.co.uk> from Mark Rogers <mark(a)quarella.co.uk> contains these words: > Cheat! > It's not always appropriate to do it that way, eg if I'm importing > images into third party templates where I don't have access to the > templates, or if the printing behaviour matters. > But well done for spotting the workaround I currently use! :-) -- Tony http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

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Any warnings / recommendations on USB external hard disk?
by Jan T. Kim 09 Dec '05

09 Dec '05

Dear all, I plan to get myself an external USB hard disk, mainly for storing digital photos, scanned stuff etc. and for backing up the internal hard disk of my notebook. Surfing around a little, I found this offer of Western Digital USB hard disks: http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=46695&doy=7m11 The 320G offer seems quite reasonable to me. Do any of you have any recommendations / warnings / experience with this, or similar USB hard disks? Personally, I don't expect any difficult issues, I'd expect the HD to appear as an SCSI device (/dev/sda or whatever), just as a USB flash stick... is that right, or am I naive? Best regards & thanks in advance, Jan -- +- Jan T. Kim -------------------------------------------------------+ | email: jtk(a)cmp.uea.ac.uk | | WWW: http://www.cmp.uea.ac.uk/people/jtk | *-----=< hierarchical systems are for files, not for humans >=-----*

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Re: Best tool for resizing Jpegs, preferably command line
by tom potts 08 Dec '05

08 Dec '05

re resizing jpegs that old favourite(?) the Gimp if you want command line stuff http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Basic_Batch/ it also has some perl scripting that should help - if you want to extend a menu so (perhaps) you can just point at a directory and click: http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Basic_Perl/ ___________________________________________________________ NEW Yahoo! Cars - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online! http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/

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Parsimony?
by Ted.Harding＠nessie.mcc.ac.uk 07 Dec '05

07 Dec '05

Hi Folks, The early Unix developers were parsimonious with keystrokes (and for good reason), so gave many commands very short names (like 'ls', 'mv'). So I thought I'd do a quick hunt for all 1- or 2-letter commands names on a Red Hat 9 system. Out of the 26 + 26*26 = 702 possible command names that could be made from 1 or 2 lower-case letters, I found only 55 (8%) in root's PATH: w ab ar as at bc cc ci co cp dc dd df dp du ed ex gs gv id ip jw ld ls ln lp ls lz mf mt mv nl nm od pb pm pr ps rb rm rx rz sb sg sh su sx sz tc tl tr ul uz vi wc Now that IS parsimonious! (I've added one or two of my own, like 'tl' for 'telnet', but have left these out of the above). Hmmm, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 07-Dec-05 Time: 00:08:23 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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Ebay and Firefox
by Wayne Stallwood 06 Dec '05

06 Dec '05

Since a few days ago I have been experiencing problems with the standard build of Firefox as provided within Ubuntu Breezy (1.0.7) and Ebay. I can browse lists of items for sale with no problems but if I try and open the details of an item (usually I do this in a new tab with a middle click) it sits there loading perpetually. Eventually the page may load but more often than not results in a time out when contacting cgi.ebay.co.uk Another Ubuntu machine at the office is showing the same behaviour, and an Apple Powerbook on my home connection works fine using safari. So I don't think it's connectivity related. Tried disabling the Http pipelining as I have heard that this can cause problems with some sites and that made no difference. Is this an Ubuntu update that has broken Firefox or is ebay at fault, can someone else with Firefox confirm/deny that they can repeat this problem.. Ta muchly.

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RE: [ALUG] Ebay and Firefox
by Keith Watson 06 Dec '05

06 Dec '05

> From: Wayne Stallwood Sent: 05 December 2005 23:56 > > Since a few days ago I have been experiencing problems with > the standard build of Firefox as provided within Ubuntu > Breezy (1.0.7) and Ebay. > > I can browse lists of items for sale with no problems but if > I try and open the details of an item (usually I do this in a > new tab with a middle click) it sits there loading > perpetually. Eventually the page may load but more often than > not results in a time out when contacting cgi.ebay.co.uk > > Another Ubuntu machine at the office is showing the same > behaviour, and an Apple Powerbook on my home connection works > fine using safari. So I don't think it's connectivity related. > > Tried disabling the Http pipelining as I have heard that this > can cause problems with some sites and that made no difference. > > Is this an Ubuntu update that has broken Firefox or is ebay > at fault, can someone else with Firefox confirm/deny that > they can repeat this problem.. > Just tried it and it works fine. Same distro - Ubuntu 5.10 (I have used Synaptic to ensure everythings at the latest version). Regards, Keith ____________ The first problem for all of us, is not to learn, but to unlearn. - Gloria Steinem

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Suse et al.
by Bob Dove 05 Dec '05

05 Dec '05

Hi folks, So, there we have it - not a great deal of enthusiasm for Suse! Perhaps I should have gone for the Ubuntu 'free' distro! I must say that the 'desktop' is nice, but I can't get to grips with 'home.' From 'my computer' 'home shows a set of files, but from the task bar 'home' brings up a different menu with the same files plus my personal folder. Having copied some image files into a folder, Konqueror shows a set of 'thumbs' of which some are images and some are icons. having set up associations so that clicking a thumb in Konq opens and loads the image into Gimp works with first image selected, but to load the second, Gimp has to be closed and re-opened by clicking second image. Then there are images that bring up error messages that the resolution is not supported! What's that all about? And when Gimp fires up, only one of the two tool panels load. Gimp, excellent as it is as 'free' image editor would not make me give up Photoshop, and Scribus I can't install so I don't know if I can live without QuarkXPress. Obviously I have a lot to learn, the migration from 'doze is not easy - perhaps the creators of O/S like Suse et al should make the transition from one to 'tother easier, and let users install goodies on a simple 'install' file. TMP folder; should this be treat like a 'doze 'temp' folder and cleaned out on occasions? Cheers, BD. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.11/191 - Release Date: 02/12/2005

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