February 2011 - main

Overview
by Anthony Anson 11 Feb '11

11 Feb '11

The link 'Overview of all lists etc on the ALUG website is 404 (I was trying to navigate to a list for a new (Welshish) Ubantu user.) -- Tony Anson www.girolle.co.uk/

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SD & Flash Drives
by Simon Royal 10 Feb '11

10 Feb '11

Hi How reliable and durable are SD Cards and Flash memory. Im thinking of getting an netbook, one of those little EeePC things but the earlier models have limited internal Flash memory. So, extra storage would be in the shape of Flash drives or SD cards. How reliable are they for storing stuff? I read somewhere about the 100,000 rewrite limitation, but how true is this. Ive got a USB thumb drive that I have had for about 6 years and it is still going strong. It has outlasted some of my newer ones. It used to house my website files so was used on a daily basis, written to dozens of times at once. Simon -- --- Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal - LowEndMac: http://tinyurl.com/macspectrum - Skype: Simon-Royal. --- IBM ThinkPad R31 running Ubuntu 10.10 & Windows XP Home. Apple PowerBook G3 'Pismo' running OSX 10.4. Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 Mini Pro running 2.1

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[ALUG Announce] Norwich 2nd Thursday Pub Meet
by Adam Bower 10 Feb '11

10 Feb '11

ALUG Announce Please send announcements to Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce ----- Hi Geeks, This months second Thursday social meeting of ALUG will take place tonight which is 10th February 2011 at The Coach and Horses (82 Thorpe Road, Norwich, NR1 1BA http://www.thecoachthorperoad.co.uk/ (website is now updated with new menus and booze lists). People will be there from 8pm, If you are unsure if you will recognise us then make yourself known by either posting on list or visiting us on IRC so we can look out for you. Optionally you could ask at the bar if they know where the geeky computer weirdos are and they'll hopefully point you in the right direction. Another possibility is to look for heaps of electronics on a table that look rather like explosives props from action movies, if you see them then you've found us. See you all tonight. Adam -- New signature required, suggestions on a post card please. ----- Send discussion replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk (Reply-To set) Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce

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Cataloguing a phone
by Chris Walker 10 Feb '11

10 Feb '11

I've just bought my wife a new phone, a Nokia C6 and want to make sure that everything is off the old phone, a Nokia N95. If I hook them both up to the machine and run lsusb, I see this :- Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 002 Device 005: ID 0421:032b Nokia Mobile Phones < - C6 Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 004 Device 002: ID 0510:0032 Sejin Electron, Inc. Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 005 Device 002: ID 1a7c:0068 Bus 005 Device 003: ID 041e:4052 Creative Technology, Ltd Live! Cam Vista IM Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 008 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 008 Device 004: ID 0421:04f0 Nokia Mobile Phones < N95 But how do I see what's on them? My wife tells me that there are some important messages and pictures on the N95 which she doesn't want to lose. Using her Windows XP laptop, I did a backup of the 95 and Nokia PC Suite said that it had transferred everything over but we can't see those pictures anywhere on the C6. I did think that I could run a dd command to make an image of the phone and its associated memory card. The card is less of a problem as I can take that out of the phone and catalogue in a reader, assuming I have one for a MicroSD card. but the phone is not allowing me to talk to it so any help appreciated. -- __ __| |_ __ __ .----------------------------------------------. / _/ _` \ V V / | mailto:cdw_alug@the-walker-household.co.uk | \__\__,_|\_/\_/ |______________________________________________|

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Is there any way to prevent those annoying 'share' pop-ups in Firefox?
by Chris G 07 Feb '11

07 Feb '11

Do those 'share' bookmarking pop-ups annoy anyone else? They drive me crazy popping up when the cursor moves over them. Is there any way to stop them popping up? They're obviously not standard pop-up windows because I already have 'Block Pop-ups' ticked in my preferences. -- Chris Green

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Wanted Hardware?
by Chris Walker 07 Feb '11

07 Feb '11

My son has given me 3 IDE Removable Caddy enclosures. If you don't know what I mean, take a look at these item numbers in ebay - 370480425397 or 320605837171 They don't come with drives but they're free if anybody wants them. They're white unlike one of the items I've listed and don't have fans. I'm in Wymondham if that helps but I do come into Norwich on occasions. -- __ __| |_ __ __ .----------------------------------------------. / _/ _` \ V V / | mailto:cdw_alug@the-walker-household.co.uk | \__\__,_|\_/\_/ |______________________________________________|

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Re: [ALUG] SD & Flash Drives
by mark fernandes (IFR) 07 Feb '11

07 Feb '11

Hi Simon, My 701 eeepc has had no problems with SD or other USB sticks when hooked upto a Huawei 3G soap-bar. Maybe Tony had a duff one. Interested in distro's too. Have used Multiboot to make a USB sick with multiple distros to check feature support. So far Ubuntu NBR 10.10, eeebuntu and Lubuntu (you may detect a theme here :-)) have been tried and am leaning towards lubuntu (as per my son's desktop PC). That said Xandros has been fine as long as you're using the eeepc as an appliance. USB sticks - I've had 2 fail in about 10 years - mainly corruption of files. As has been said it depends on repeated writes to same block and it is a MEAN time between failures (MTBF) so your mileage may vary (it's the distribution about the mean that matters). Regards, Mark ________________________________________ From: main-bounces(a)lists.alug.org.uk [main-bounces(a)lists.alug.org.uk] On Behalf Of main-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk [main-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk] Sent: 06 February 2011 12:00 To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: main Digest, Vol 68, Issue 5 Send main mailing list submissions to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to main-request(a)lists.alug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at main-owner(a)lists.alug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of main digest..." Today's Topics: 1. SD & Flash Drives (Simon Royal) 2. FOR SALE: ThinkPad R31 (Simon Royal) 3. Re: SD & Flash Drives (Anthony Anson) 4. Re: SD & Flash Drives (Wayne Stallwood) 5. Re: SD & Flash Drives (Adam Bower) 6. Re: SD & Flash Drives (Anthony Anson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 22:38:03 +0000 From: Simon Royal <mrsimonroyal(a)gmail.com> Subject: [ALUG] SD & Flash Drives To: Anglian Linux User Group <main(a)lists.alug.org.uk> Message-ID: <AANLkTik7dfeChRXk1X0psrX1EEsMr4GsK5ecDw0gJmUU(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi How reliable and durable are SD Cards and Flash memory. Im thinking of getting an netbook, one of those little EeePC things but the earlier models have limited internal Flash memory. So, extra storage would be in the shape of Flash drives or SD cards. How reliable are they for storing stuff? I read somewhere about the 100,000 rewrite limitation, but how true is this. Ive got a USB thumb drive that I have had for about 6 years and it is still going strong. It has outlasted some of my newer ones. It used to house my website files so was used on a daily basis, written to dozens of times at once. Simon -- --- Twitter:?http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal?- LowEndMac: http://tinyurl.com/macspectrum?- Skype: Simon-Royal. --- IBM ThinkPad R31 running Ubuntu 10.10 & Windows XP Home. Apple PowerBook G3 'Pismo' running OSX 10.4. Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 Mini Pro running 2.1 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 23:10:27 +0000 From: Simon Royal <mrsimonroyal(a)gmail.com> Subject: [ALUG] FOR SALE: ThinkPad R31 To: Anglian Linux User Group <main(a)lists.alug.org.uk> Message-ID: <AANLkTi==ziQL1qaZo0bvvmqYBQ7Dj4JsCsMQX_eF1jPm(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi. I am looking at moving to an ultra portable netbook and to do so would need to sell my ThinkPad to make funds for it. So up for sale is my IBM ThinkPad R31. Celeron 1.1Ghz. 512MB RAM (1GB Max, currently has 1x 512MB) 60GB hard drive. CDROM. Comes with two batteries. One is dead, the other holds charge but is temperamental on charging. Original power supply. The rear USB port is broken, so I have put a piece of electrical tape over it. However, the side USB port works fine. Apart from this, it has no other faults. The screen has some pressure marks. Brilliant laptop currently running Ubuntu and XP. Has XP Pro COA sticker on bottom of laptop. Hard drive will be wiped before sending, so you will need your own OS. Could supply a wireless card if needed. It is a NetGear I think, not sure of compatibility with Linux. I would like to keep the Buffalo one I am using. If you are interested let me know. Make me an offer. Or swap for a netbook. Simon -- --- Twitter:?http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal?- LowEndMac: http://tinyurl.com/macspectrum?- Skype: Simon-Royal. --- IBM ThinkPad R31 running Ubuntu 10.10 & Windows XP Home. Apple PowerBook G3 'Pismo' running OSX 10.4. Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 Mini Pro running 2.1 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 01:23:05 +0000 From: Anthony Anson <tony.anson(a)girolle.co.uk> Subject: Re: [ALUG] SD & Flash Drives To: Alug list <main(a)lists.alug.org.uk> Message-ID: <4D4DF7F9.9090807(a)girolle.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Simon Royal wrote: > Hi > > How reliable and durable are SD Cards and Flash memory. Im thinking of > getting an netbook, one of those little EeePC things but the earlier > models have limited internal Flash memory. Never had any fail. My oldest one is 64 MB, and I had that when it was state of the art. If you do get an Eee and it has Xandros on it, I'd advise you to install a proper distro on it. I've had xPUD and Crunchbang recommended for the purpose. With Xan-dross on the Eee (or at least, my Eee) you can't use the USB for anything else if you have an internet dongle plugged in. If you then want to use anything else in the USB port(s) you have to remove the dongle and reboot first. The dongle won't work if you have a SD card in the slot either. Other distros installed on the Eee don't suffer from this failing, I'm told. I believe you can get at least 32 GB SD cards - but at a price. (8 GB is currently around ?23, but I am told that it's cheaper on the continent.) > So, extra storage would be in the shape of Flash drives or SD cards. > > How reliable are they for storing stuff? I read somewhere about the > 100,000 rewrite limitation, but how true is this. That's hardly a limitation. Don't forget, your Eee will have similar 'limitations'... -- Tony Anson www.girolle.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 01:19:53 +0000 From: Wayne Stallwood <ALUGlist(a)digimatic.co.uk> Subject: Re: [ALUG] SD & Flash Drives To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Message-ID: <4D4DF739.5020802(a)digimatic.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 05/02/11 22:38, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi > > How reliable and durable are SD Cards and Flash memory. Im thinking of > getting an netbook, one of those little EeePC things but the earlier > models have limited internal Flash memory. > > So, extra storage would be in the shape of Flash drives or SD cards. > > How reliable are they for storing stuff? I read somewhere about the > 100,000 rewrite limitation, but how true is this. > > I think modern and reputable make SD cards/flash memory are now durable to the point that unless you are using them in heavy write scenarios (swap or log files) then the lifetime will exceed the usefulness as technology advances. I have had a few usb flash drives die in my time but most of them have been due to rough handling/water damage/connector damage. I can't remember having an SD/CF card fail on me. Also bear in mind that these figures are talking about writes to a specific block. file allocation,fragmentation and wear levelling in the flash controller all have an effect on this so the real figure will be better. If you are really concerned then making sure you mount with noatime and using a non journalling FS will help prolong life..and improve speed as with flash memory writes are usually slower than reads. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:51:31 +0000 From: Adam Bower <adam(a)thebowery.co.uk> Subject: Re: [ALUG] SD & Flash Drives To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Message-ID: <20110206095131.GC20675@electron> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On Sun, Feb 06, 2011 at 01:23:05AM +0000, Anthony Anson wrote: > > I believe you can get at least 32 GB SD cards - but at a price. (8 > GB is currently around ?23, but I am told that it's cheaper on the > continent.) Wow, you must come from the past in a time machine! :) I got a 16GB micro-SD last month for ?18 and a 16GB SD for ?16. On top of that I paid a premium to make sure I got a card from a reliable retailer (so nothing fake) and getting fast cards. 8GB is around ?8-?10 at the moment, it now means that when I fill an SD card up in a camera that all I do is buy a new card and put the old one in the fire safe. Anyhow, as for the 100,000 writes thing. That is 100,000 writes per block (and is quite an old metric from ye olde days of flash). How often will you actually write to the card? I mean, assuming that you do actually do 100 writes a day to the *entire* card that's still nearly 3 years of life at which point you can throw it away and buy a new one that will have 8x the capacity of the same price..... Adam -- New signature required, suggestions on a post card please. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 11:58:18 +0000 From: Anthony Anson <tony.anson(a)girolle.co.uk> Subject: Re: [ALUG] SD & Flash Drives To: Alug list <main(a)lists.alug.org.uk> Message-ID: <4D4E8CDA.4080204(a)girolle.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Adam Bower wrote: > On Sun, Feb 06, 2011 at 01:23:05AM +0000, Anthony Anson wrote: >> I believe you can get at least 32 GB SD cards - but at a price. (8 >> GB is currently around ?23, but I am told that it's cheaper on the >> continent.) > > Wow, you must come from the past in a time machine! :) I got a 16GB > micro-SD last month for ?18 and a 16GB SD for ?16. Where? > On top of that I paid > a premium to make sure I got a card from a reliable retailer (so nothing > fake) and getting fast cards. 8GB is around ?8-?10 at the moment, Where? > it now > means that when I fill an SD card up in a camera that all I do is buy a > new card and put the old one in the fire safe. It's this 'reliable retailer' thang - The Swedes (Chapelfield Mall) charge ?23 for 8 giggle, as do various camera shops and allied businesses. I *KNOW* you can et them at sensible prices (a correspondent in Germany does), but apart from buying online *I* can't find anyone - in Norwich, at least. Online's OK unless you want one *now*. -- Tony Anson www.girolle.co.uk/ ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main End of main Digest, Vol 68, Issue 5 ***********************************

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FOR SALE: ThinkPad R31
by Simon Royal 05 Feb '11

05 Feb '11

Hi. I am looking at moving to an ultra portable netbook and to do so would need to sell my ThinkPad to make funds for it. So up for sale is my IBM ThinkPad R31. Celeron 1.1Ghz. 512MB RAM (1GB Max, currently has 1x 512MB) 60GB hard drive. CDROM. Comes with two batteries. One is dead, the other holds charge but is temperamental on charging. Original power supply. The rear USB port is broken, so I have put a piece of electrical tape over it. However, the side USB port works fine. Apart from this, it has no other faults. The screen has some pressure marks. Brilliant laptop currently running Ubuntu and XP. Has XP Pro COA sticker on bottom of laptop. Hard drive will be wiped before sending, so you will need your own OS. Could supply a wireless card if needed. It is a NetGear I think, not sure of compatibility with Linux. I would like to keep the Buffalo one I am using. If you are interested let me know. Make me an offer. Or swap for a netbook. Simon -- --- Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal - LowEndMac: http://tinyurl.com/macspectrum - Skype: Simon-Royal. --- IBM ThinkPad R31 running Ubuntu 10.10 & Windows XP Home. Apple PowerBook G3 'Pismo' running OSX 10.4. Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 Mini Pro running 2.1

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Re: [ALUG] EeePC Ubuntu
by John Woodard 04 Feb '11

04 Feb '11

Agreed the 9" Aspire One 150 is okay but the Asus has far superior build quality. Sorry about the top post anyone know how to make mt Blackberry conform? Cheers, BJ ------Original Message------ From: Wayne Stallwood Sender: main-bounces(a)lists.alug.org.uk To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [ALUG] EeePC Ubuntu Sent: 3 Feb 2011 22:16 On 03/02/11 16:32, John Woodard wrote: > I have 10.04 running on my Acer Aspire One Although to be clear on that if Simon is looking at 10" models avoid the Acer Aspire One 751 at all costs. The GMA500 gfx chipset is a troublesome beast on linux I have just converted my 751 back to a Windows machine and sold it because I was fed up with potential problems every time there was a kernel upgrade. _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.alug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above!

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EeePC Ubuntu
by Simon Royal 04 Feb '11

04 Feb '11

Hi Has anyone any experience running Ubuntu on an EeePC machine. I have been very impressed with my ThinkPad and impressed with Ubuntu and have settled nicely into the Linux world. My ThinkPad is only a 1.1Ghz Celeron and with 1GB RAM Ubuntu screams along. Id like something a little more portable and compact and have been looking at these Asus EeePC machines, both the 7" and 10" models. The 7" models are 900Mhz machines, the 10" models are 1.6Ghz Atom machines. I only do basic surfing, listening to music, FaceBook etc and writing. I do YouTube from time to time. So nothing heavy. Simon -- --- Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal - LowEndMac: http://tinyurl.com/macspectrum - Skype: Simon-Royal. --- IBM ThinkPad R31 running Ubuntu 10.10 & Windows XP Home. Apple PowerBook G3 'Pismo' running OSX 10.4. Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 Mini Pro running 2.1

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