February 2001 - main

Re: [Alug] Faxgetty, Mgetty and data calls - anyone?
by MJ Ray 25 Feb '01

25 Feb '01

Barry Samuels <barry(a)datamansys.co.uk> writes: > If I run FaxAddModem it identifies the modem as Class 1 (the > relevant command, as I remember, returns 0,1,1,0). Does that affect > its data capabilities? Yes. I think Hylafax only handles Class 2 modems. If it really is Class 1 (like mine), you'll need to use efax and hope that the system load is low enough so as not to affect timing too much. > > Can you send OK from it? > Sorry - don't understand what you mean. Can you send faxes from it with Hylafax? If so, it's probably Class 2 and I'm wrong in what I just said above. > > The mgetty ???s sounds a bit like it's trying to start PPP on you. > Why would it do that? Could I prevent it? No idea, sadly. I've never played with mgetty. -- MJR

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I hope this isn't inappropriate...
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25 Feb '01

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Re: [Alug] Faxgetty, Mgetty and data calls - anyone?
by MJ Ray 25 Feb '01

25 Feb '01

Barry Samuels <barry(a)datamansys.co.uk> writes: > I apologise in advance for that bit of important information that I have > almost certainly forgotten to include. Which Hayes Accura 56k? Not all do Class 2 fax. Can you send OK from it? The mgetty ???s sounds a bit like it's trying to start PPP on you. This is probably an irrelevant line of attack. ;-) -- MJR

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Faxgetty, Mgetty and data calls - anyone?
by Barry Samuels 24 Feb '01

24 Feb '01

I've spent hours and hours trying to set up Hylafax/Faxgetty to auto detect fax/data calls and respond appropriately. I have had partial success in that I can now get it to distinguish between fax and data calls and accept the fax or start mgetty for a data call. Part of my original problem was that the default config.ttyS1 GettyArgs included -h as the first option which caused Mgetty to start and then immediately stop after printing a 'Usage' line in the log. I have, at least been able to correct that. My current config.ttyS1 gettyargs is: GettyArgs: "-D %l dx_%s" I have also tried "-r -s %s %l" together with many other combinations. If I dial in from another machine the call is answered as a data call and mgetty started but on the machine that I dialled in from I see a line of about two dozen characters, most of which appear to be '?', then the cursor returns to the beginning of the line, overwrites part of the existing line before dropping down one line, printing a few more characters then dropping down another line and displays 'NO CARRIER'. I never get to see a login prompt and these tests are costing me a fortune in telephone calls! It doesn't seem to make any difference whatever options I try the result is always as described above. The getty on the Hylafax machine is left running and has to be killed. The mgetty log shows: 02/23 09:52:33 yS1 mgetty: experimental test release 1.1.21-Jul24 02/23 09:52:33 yS1 check for lockfiles 02/23 09:52:33 yS1 huh? It's *our* lock file! 02/23 09:52:33 yS1 locking the line 02/23 09:52:33 yS1 makelock(ttyS1) called 02/23 09:52:33 yS1 do_makelock: lock='/var/lock/LCK..ttyS1' 02/23 09:52:33 yS1 we *have* the line! 02/23 09:52:33 yS1 lock made 02/23 09:52:34 yS1 tio_get_rs232_lines: status: RTS CTS DSR DTR 02/23 09:52:34 yS1 tss: set speed to 115200 (10002) 02/23 09:52:34 yS1 tio_set_flow_control( HARD ) 02/23 09:52:34 yS1 waiting for line to clear (VTIME), read: 02/23 09:52:34 yS1 send: \d\d\d+++\d\d\dATZ[0d] 02/23 09:52:37 yS1 waiting for ``OK'' 02/23 09:52:37 yS1 got: [0d][0a]CONNECT[0d][0a][0d][0a]OK ** found ** 02/23 09:52:43 yS1 waiting for line to clear (VTIME), read: [0d][0a] 02/23 09:52:43 yS1 removing lock file 02/23 09:52:43 yS1 waiting... Although, in this section, the modem is reset I have tried other options which give the following in the log: 02/23 09:40:20 yS1 mgetty: experimental test release 1.1.21-Jul24 02/23 09:40:20 yS1 check for lockfiles 02/23 09:40:20 yS1 huh? It's *our* lock file! 02/23 09:40:20 yS1 locking the line 02/23 09:40:20 yS1 makelock(ttyS1) called 02/23 09:40:20 yS1 do_makelock: lock='/var/lock/LCK..ttyS1' 02/23 09:40:20 yS1 we *have* the line! 02/23 09:40:20 yS1 lock made 02/23 09:40:20 yS1 tio_get_rs232_lines: status: RTS CTS DSR DTR 02/23 09:40:20 yS1 tss: set speed to 115200 (10002) 02/23 09:40:20 yS1 tio_set_flow_control( HARD ) 02/23 09:40:20 yS1 waiting for line to clear (VTIME), read: 02/23 09:40:20 yS1 send: \dATQ0V1H0[0d] 02/23 09:40:21 yS1 waiting for ``OK'' 02/23 09:40:21 yS1 got: [0d][0a]OK ** found ** 02/23 09:40:21 yS1 send: AT[0d] 02/23 09:40:21 yS1 waiting for ``OK'' 02/23 09:40:21 yS1 got: [0d][0a][0d][0a]OK ** found ** 02/23 09:40:21 yS1 waiting for line to clear (VTIME), read: [0d][0a] 02/23 09:40:22 yS1 removing lock file 02/23 09:40:22 yS1 waiting... I have also read as much documentation as I could find without any luck and have tried posting on two newsgroups and the Debian mailing list but have had no replies. I am running Debian 2.2 with kernel 2.2.18pre21, I have a Hayes Accura 56k fax/data modem and I am running Hylafax version 4.0.2-14. The machine that I'm dialling in from is running Windows 95 although I have tried it from another Debian machine using Minicom with exactly the same results. I apologise in advance for that bit of important information that I have almost certainly forgotten to include. What am I doing wrong? Help would be very much appreciated. Barry Samuels

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Re: [Alug] I hope this isn't inappropriate...
by MJ Ray 23 Feb '01

23 Feb '01

Neill Newman <neill(a)entora.co.uk> writes: > oops, please forgive me, > I didn't mean to send this to the whole alug list !!! So why did you just send it again? Trim quotes... -- MJR

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Broadband in Norwich?
by Syd Hancock 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

First of all, my apologies since this question is not directly related to linux. Can anyone tell me if there are any ADSL, cable or other broadband services in or near to Norwich? (Currently in France, moving to Norwich area in April - anyone knowing of a decent 3/4 bed house w/ garden to rent please contact) TIA and second set of apologies for the spam, promise it won't happen again. But you never know... Syd

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Re: Printers +Postscript
by tom potts 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

Check out Ghostscript/Ghostview - this will allow you to print almost any format to almost any printer. It will display these formats to screen as well. Most things the evile (sic) empire charge for have been free from GNU for twenty years or so! Tom --- alug-admin(a)stu.uea.ac.uk wrote: > > Send alug mailing list submissions to > alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the web, visit > http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > alug-request(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > You can reach the person managing the list at > alug-admin(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > is more specific than > "Re: Contents of alug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Printers (fozzy(a)pelvoux.demon.co.uk) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 00:27:13 +0000 > To: David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Alug] Printers > > On Sat, Feb 17, 2001 at 12:21:35PM -0800, David > Freeman wrote: > > > All, > > > > I've decided I need to buy a printer. > > > > After some thought I have decided on the following > criteria > > > > * Must run well with Linux > > * Lazer printer > > * low cost to buy > > * Low running costs (<5p a page) > > * Reliable > > > > Can any one suggest a good buy? > > The moon on a stick? > > Seriously, you may not be able to find something > which meets all of > the requirements above. Looking at the requirements > in more detail: > > > * Must run well with Linux > > Most unix (including Linux) programs are designed to > work with a > Postscript printer. So, for a printer to work well > with Linux it must > either have a built-in postscript interpreter or it > must have a good > ghostscript driver so that ghostscript can be used > to convert > postscript into whatever strange format the printer > uses. > > I went for the built-in postscript interpreter. > > > * Lazer printer > > I would expect one of these to be much faster and > have a lower cost > per page than an inkjet, but for an item of similar > quality it will be > more expensive to buy. > > > * low cost to buy > > A lot depends on what you regard as low cost. Laser > printers have got > a lot cheaper in recent years but they will still be > more expensive > than most injkets. You should be able to get a > small "personal" laser > printer for between about £200 and £500. > > > * Low running costs (<5p a page) > > The printer I have now is an HP Laserjet 2100/M and > the toner > cartridge costs about £70 with the average life > according to HP being > 5,000 sheets, i.e. about 2 boxes of paper - my last > one lasted slighly > longer than this. > > I don't remember how much the paper is but I think > about £15 per box > (1 box = 5 reams = 2,500 sheets) is probably > reasonable. > > So, adding it up you get 1.4 p/page for toner and > 0.6p/page for paper > making a total cost of 2p/page. > > Compare this with my previous printer which was an > Epson Styluscolor - > ink cartridges are about £15 and last about 500 > pages. Paper is > slighly cheaper, say £2.50 per ream so we get > 3p/page for ink and > 0.5p/page for paper giving a total or 3.5/page. > > > * Reliable > > It's a bit difficult to measure this one. The > printer I've got has > been reliable so far in that it has never gone wrong > and it only jams > if I give it paper which is bent or curled. > > > Can any one suggest a good buy? > > I don't think I can recommend any especially good > buy. > > The printer I have now which is an HP Laserjet > 2100/M I am very > pleased with. It is fast, the output quality is > good, it hasn't > barfed on anything I've sent it, is cheap to run and > so far seems > reliable. > > As I said earlier this is the model with built-in > postscript (that's > indirectly what the /M stands for - /M actually > means "for Macintosh" > as far as I know but as Macs have a history of > expecting postscript > printers it indirectly means built-in postscript). > > I bought it from PC World at a discount because it > was an > ex-demo model (unused I am told). I paid £499 for > it, their list > price was about £700 if I remember correctly. > > I have just tested the ljet4 ghostscript driver > driving my printer in > PCL mode and that seems to produce output that looks > almost > indistinguishable from the built-in postscript (for > the Times Roman > font anyway) so this may indicate that a cheaper HP > (PCL only, like > the 1100 series) would work well too though I can't > say for sure. > > One thing to do may be to knock up a postscipt test > file, one page > preferably, which includes samples of all > 30-something fonts as well > as various shade and screen effects and see if you > can get people to > print it for comparison. > > Hope this helps, > Steve. > > > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > alug mailing list > alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug > > > End of alug Digest __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Re: Printers
by tom potts 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

As a matter of restraint I'd sit back and check what printing you REALLY need. If you print out a lot of things that you can't be bothered to read on screen - long alug mailings etc - you really dont want to be paying 4+ pence per page and then throwing away half the colour cartriges. The company I work for spends 90%+ of its printing costs on paper and ink that goes from printer to hand to bin. If its an attractive document e-mail it and let the recipient print it ,if its not an old dot matrix will almost certainly do and and old line printer is a revelation! But they dont beep when thay run low on ink which some people just CANT (sic) live with. But then thay dont print illegibly in yellow either. Tom --- alug-admin(a)stu.uea.ac.uk wrote: > > Send alug mailing list submissions to > alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the web, visit > http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > alug-request(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > You can reach the person managing the list at > alug-admin(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > is more specific than > "Re: Contents of alug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Printers (fozzy(a)pelvoux.demon.co.uk) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 00:27:13 +0000 > To: David Freeman <david_freeman(a)rocketmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Alug] Printers > > On Sat, Feb 17, 2001 at 12:21:35PM -0800, David > Freeman wrote: > > > All, > > > > I've decided I need to buy a printer. > > > > After some thought I have decided on the following > criteria > > > > * Must run well with Linux > > * Lazer printer > > * low cost to buy > > * Low running costs (<5p a page) > > * Reliable > > > > Can any one suggest a good buy? > > The moon on a stick? > > Seriously, you may not be able to find something > which meets all of > the requirements above. Looking at the requirements > in more detail: > > > * Must run well with Linux > > Most unix (including Linux) programs are designed to > work with a > Postscript printer. So, for a printer to work well > with Linux it must > either have a built-in postscript interpreter or it > must have a good > ghostscript driver so that ghostscript can be used > to convert > postscript into whatever strange format the printer > uses. > > I went for the built-in postscript interpreter. > > > * Lazer printer > > I would expect one of these to be much faster and > have a lower cost > per page than an inkjet, but for an item of similar > quality it will be > more expensive to buy. > > > * low cost to buy > > A lot depends on what you regard as low cost. Laser > printers have got > a lot cheaper in recent years but they will still be > more expensive > than most injkets. You should be able to get a > small "personal" laser > printer for between about £200 and £500. > > > * Low running costs (<5p a page) > > The printer I have now is an HP Laserjet 2100/M and > the toner > cartridge costs about £70 with the average life > according to HP being > 5,000 sheets, i.e. about 2 boxes of paper - my last > one lasted slighly > longer than this. > > I don't remember how much the paper is but I think > about £15 per box > (1 box = 5 reams = 2,500 sheets) is probably > reasonable. > > So, adding it up you get 1.4 p/page for toner and > 0.6p/page for paper > making a total cost of 2p/page. > > Compare this with my previous printer which was an > Epson Styluscolor - > ink cartridges are about £15 and last about 500 > pages. Paper is > slighly cheaper, say £2.50 per ream so we get > 3p/page for ink and > 0.5p/page for paper giving a total or 3.5/page. > > > * Reliable > > It's a bit difficult to measure this one. The > printer I've got has > been reliable so far in that it has never gone wrong > and it only jams > if I give it paper which is bent or curled. > > > Can any one suggest a good buy? > > I don't think I can recommend any especially good > buy. > > The printer I have now which is an HP Laserjet > 2100/M I am very > pleased with. It is fast, the output quality is > good, it hasn't > barfed on anything I've sent it, is cheap to run and > so far seems > reliable. > > As I said earlier this is the model with built-in > postscript (that's > indirectly what the /M stands for - /M actually > means "for Macintosh" > as far as I know but as Macs have a history of > expecting postscript > printers it indirectly means built-in postscript). > > I bought it from PC World at a discount because it > was an > ex-demo model (unused I am told). I paid £499 for > it, their list > price was about £700 if I remember correctly. > > I have just tested the ljet4 ghostscript driver > driving my printer in > PCL mode and that seems to produce output that looks > almost > indistinguishable from the built-in postscript (for > the Times Roman > font anyway) so this may indicate that a cheaper HP > (PCL only, like > the 1100 series) would work well too though I can't > say for sure. > > One thing to do may be to knock up a postscipt test > file, one page > preferably, which includes samples of all > 30-something fonts as well > as various shade and screen effects and see if you > can get people to > print it for comparison. > > Hope this helps, > Steve. > > > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > alug mailing list > alug(a)stu.uea.ac.uk > http://rabbit.stu.uea.ac.uk/cgi-bin/listinfo/alug > > > End of alug Digest __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Palmtops & Linux - big decision needs making.
by Nico Morgan 19 Feb '01

19 Feb '01

I am on the brink of buying a palmtop but can't decide which. Many things affect my decision but the most important thing is successful linking with my Linux box at work where it will be synced and backed-up. Have members any experience of the Handspring visor (Prob deluxe) and the Palm (m100, IIIxe) working with their Linux boxes? The documentation seems to imply that both will work perfectly well with the Palm syncing conduits and so on... Thanks in advance Nico -- /\/ / i c o

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Printers
by David Freeman 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

All, I've decided I need to buy a printer. After some thought I have decided on the following criteria * Must run well with Linux * Lazer printer * low cost to buy * Low running costs (<5p a page) * Reliable Can any one suggest a good buy? Thanks D __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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