September 2010 - OSSRATS

Sonning to Shiplake Wednesday 29 Sept
by Mark and Victoria 28 Sep '10

28 Sep '10

Hi everyone Unfortunately I can't make Wednesdays. However, I hope you have a good swim - who will pop up on the river bank this time?? Pam - is the Hampshire list contact on either the OSS facebook page or the site? Looking forward to being able to join you soon. Victoria

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dangers of indoor Vs outdoor swimming
by Helen Roche 28 Sep '10

28 Sep '10

Hi chaps, I thought you might enjoy this irony as much as I did. After all the dire warnings from friends and family about how dangerous it would be to swim in the Thames, and wouldn't I get that awful rat disease, etc - I went swimming in Reading Central Pool yesterday and gashed my foot open! I'm going for a tetanus jab later! Actually it's more of a deep graze than a gash, but still. I was pushing off from the end of the pool and the back of my heel hit a nasty old rusty-looking bolt, sticking out from the bottom of a wooden step on the ladder. It's never happened before, surprisingly - it was just patiently waiting for me to come along. Thinking of tetanus jabs, we should probably all have them anyway, so at least it's prompted me to do that. Rose thorns are a famous culprit for it and I'm sure that riverside brambles are no better... The jabs need topping up about every ten years or so (?), and my last one was 15 years ago. Conversely, the worst that's happened to me so far while river- swimming is a couple of nettle stings. Ha! However, a friend of mine who surfs in Cornwall trod on a Weaver fish the other day, which is apparently agonising. They've had a lot of them this year, so wear thick-soled shoes if you go swimming down there. :-s I didn't even know we had them in the UK! Safe swimming, all. X love Helen

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Swim @ Sonning Wednesday 29 September @ 5:30pm (for 5:45pm start)
by Jeremy Wellingham 28 Sep '10

28 Sep '10

Lindsay, Lotte and Jeremy are planning to swim at Sonning this Wednesday 29 September, meeting outside the French Horn ( RG4 6TN ) restaurant at 5:30pm for 5:45 start. There's parking for a few cars opposite the French Horn adjacent to the riverside green, which is also the entry point. There are a number of exit points so we can adjust the distance according to our ambition or the until the light fades - quite early now if it is also overcast. If anybody would like to join us they'd be very welcome - let us know or just turn up. Link to route of swim courtesy of Helen: http://www.flickr.com/photos/97981919@N00/4997703853/ Allow a bit of extra time for the going home traffic through Sonning at this time of day - the single file bridge causes queues in both directions. Regards Jeremy, Lindsay & Lotte

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Re: [OSS RATS] swim next week
by Helen Roche 26 Sep '10

26 Sep '10

Hi all I'm afraid that not only was I starting to find the water pretty cold on my last swim - but I've been fighting a cold this past week, which brings down the curtain on my 2010 outdoors swimming. It looks like I'm taking up kayaking for the winter though, possibly through the Reading University Canoe Club. I suppose this means I may not see any of you till the spring now - but do include me if there are any plans that involve, ooh, lidos or something! :) I'm also taking swimming lessons, so next time I see you, I should be able to keep up a bit better. cheers all, happy swimming! X love Helen On 25 Sep 2010, at 17:37, Lindsay Nutbrown wrote: > Next week I could do evenings Monday, Wednesday or Thursday. > > Can't do Tuesday or Friday next week or next weekend. > > Could fit in a river swim tomorrow though. Any interest ? (Was > otherwise thinking of going to the Tri20 lake tomorrow am) > > Best regards > > > Lindsay

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Sonning to Shiplake swim - We're on Uri Geller's website...
by Lindsay Nutbrown 17 Sep '10

17 Sep '10

Evening all, Helen, well done for suggesting the Sonning to Shiplake (part way) swim for this evening. It was lovely. Nice to meet Pam. (What a long way you came to the swim, from Winchester !!!) Good to meet up with Helen and Jeremy again. We were enjoying our lovely swim, being the latest outing of the Outdoor Swimming Society 'RATS' in the stretch of the Thames between Sonning and Shiplake... Part way along, suddenly a man walking his dog along the Thames path asked if he could take our photos and post them on his website and his Twitter pages. We said he could, and he took the photos. He had quite a distinctive accent - one of our group asked where he was from and he said 'I'm Uri Geller' (!!) Just looked on Uri's website and we're on there!! http://site.uri-geller.com/uri_s_weekly_diary Look on right hand side and there's a photo of me. Follow link to Twitter photos for more pics of the others in our group. What an unusual twist to a lovely swim! All best Lindsay

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Sonning to Shiplake Vol 1 issue 27
by Mark and Victoria 17 Sep '10

17 Sep '10

Wow - a swim and Uri Geller! Life just doesn't get better. I'm glad it went well - sounds great fun. Victoria

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swim next week
by charlotte smith 16 Sep '10

16 Sep '10

Hi rats At last a wetsuit that fits! I can't make any weekend swims but would love to swim next week from Monday, any time (except early morning) if anybody is going. I swam a mile in the pool last week and I think that's probably as far as I would go before getting out - unless the current helps you? Look forward to finally getting wet. Lotte

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Sonning to Shiplake
by Mark and Victoria 14 Sep '10

14 Sep '10

Hi everyone I am so sorry, but rather embarrassingly I'm not going to be able to make it tomorrow. Sometime, and I hope soon, I'll get to swim with the OSSRATS. Enjoy your swim, I'll be thinking about you. Victoria

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Re: [OSS RATS] Sonning to Shiplake Wed 15th
by Mark and Victoria 14 Sep '10

14 Sep '10

Hi everyone I agree with Pam about darkness falling - I was quite alarmed tonight to see how dark it was at 7.30. I don't mean to sound like a scaredy-cat but I don't think I'm ready for swimming in the dark! Is there a stopping place where we could get out after say 45 mins? I may be able to be there a bit earlier, somewhere between 6.30 and 6.45. If we were in the water at 6.45 we could certainly have 45 mins of swimming in the light. Let me know what you think. I too will be wearing my wetsuit. Victoria

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Fw: OSSRATS Digest, Vol 1, Issue 19 Sonning to Shiplake
by Mark and Victoria 13 Sep '10

13 Sep '10

Great, glad you can make it. If French Horn car park a no go, I think you can park on the road further back towards Reading/Caversham at Sonning Eye - just off a mini roundabout. Wherever we end up parking, let's meet in the French Horn car park by 7.00pm at the latest. See you then. Victoria ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindsay Nutbrown" <lindsay(a)lecnutbrown.plus.com> To: "Mark and Victoria" <capri122(a)talktalk.net> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [OSS RATS] OSSRATS Digest, Vol 1, Issue 19 Sonning to Shiplake > Great I'm looking forward to it. > > I'll be at the French Horn by 6:45pm. Do you think they will allow us to > park in their car park again if needs be (if no spaces left in the public > parking area...) ? > > Helen, can you provide the links to your route maps ? > > Best regards > > > Lindsay > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark and Victoria" <capri122(a)talktalk.net> > To: <ossrats(a)earth.li> > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 8:41 PM > Subject: Re: [OSS RATS] OSSRATS Digest, Vol 1, Issue 19 Sonning to > Shiplake > > >> Dear all >> >> I think I've managed to get the right end of the stick about when this >> swim can happen - and sorry, I think it was me who started the cross >> posting, I didn't realise it was the Oxon address too. It looks like >> most people are going for Wednesday at Sonning. I'll be there, and it >> looks like Helen, Lindsay, Pam and Jeremy are available too. Where do we >> meet - they don't let cars like mine in the French Horn car park. Can I >> request a slightly later start time of around 6.50 - 7.00? >> >> Swimming between Pinkhill Lock and Eynsham tomorrow - the wetsuit gets >> its first outing! See you all Wednesday. >> >> Victoria >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <ossrats-request(a)earth.li> >> To: <ossrats(a)earth.li> >> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 12:12 PM >> Subject: OSSRATS Digest, Vol 1, Issue 19 >> >> >>> Send OSSRATS mailing list submissions to >>> ossrats(a)earth.li >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://www.earth.li/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ossrats >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> ossrats-request(a)earth.li >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> ossrats-owner(a)earth.li >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of OSSRATS digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: Sonning to Shiplake swim next week (Pam) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 12:12:01 +0100 >>> From: "Pam" <pamjones(a)btinternet.com> >>> Subject: Re: [OSS RATS] Sonning to Shiplake swim next week >>> To: "'Helen Roche'" <helen(a)theskyisblue.net>, "'Jeremy Wellingham'" >>> <jeremy(a)wellingham.com> >>> Cc: ossrats(a)earth.li >>> Message-ID: <006801cb51a2$28f5f2b0$7ae1d810$@com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>> >>> Really want to swim next week but this email traffic is getting very >>> confusing. May I suggest that one (or two) people choose to do a swim >>> in >>> future and then let the rest know that it is happening - no need for >>> confusing email discussion. >>> >>> >>> >>> I am swimming in the Itchen tomorrow 2:30pm if anyone wants to come to >>> Winchester. It is colder than anywhere in the Lakes (including the >>> tarns up >>> mountains) and wetsuits are really recommended. I swam in the Itchen in >>> my >>> cossie on Thursday and only managed half an hour. >>> >>> >>> >>> If you want to join me, let me know by email and I will send you details >>> of >>> where to park and meet. Free parking on Sunday! Cup of tea on me at >>> the >>> Leisure Centre afterwards. >>> >>> >>> >>> Pam >>> >>> From: ossrats-bounces(a)earth.li [mailto:ossrats-bounces@earth.li] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Helen Roche >>> Sent: 11 September 2010 00:58 >>> To: Jeremy Wellingham >>> Cc: ossrats(a)earth.li >>> Subject: Re: [OSS RATS] [OSS Oxon] Sonning to Shiplake swim next week >>> >>> >>> >>> I'll admit to getting an addled brain at this point, is Wednesday >>> looking >>> like the contender? I can do Wednesday, though can't get till Sonning >>> till >>> about 6.30 - 6.40. Same applies to Monday, but I can do either. >>> >>> >>> >>> cheers, >>> >>> H >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10 Sep 2010, at 23:09, Jeremy Wellingham wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I can only do Wednesday next week (or Thursday / Friday) for Sonning. >>> >>> I'd consider the weekend 18/19 for another section of the Mapledurham >>> swim, >>> maybe from Pangbourne? >>> >>> Mapledurham swim was excellent, Victoria, Helen arranged some very good >>> weather. Hoping she can call in the favour again for the next swims! >>> >>> Regards Jeremy >>> >>> I've reverted this thread to the OSSRATS list . . . >>> >>> On 10/09/2010 13:43, Lindsay Nutbrown wrote: >>> >>> Don't despair of trying out that wetsuit Victoria (and how uncharitable >>> that >>> you should be laughed at when trying it on at home!) >>> >>> I could do Monday or Wednesday evening next week (13th or 15th >>> September), >>> but given that you are free earlier on Monday, could I suggest 6:30pm on >>> Monday from the French Horn at Sonning Eye ? From the other posting by >>> Pam, >>> it looks like she may be available Monday as well ? Anyone else up for >>> this >>> ? >>> >>> I'm also available from about 5:30pm Saturday or Sunday this weekend if >>> you >>> or anyone else is interested in meeting up - perhaps to do the next >>> stretch >>> along at Mapledurham. >>> >>> I don't think I'll be able to do next weekend (18th / 19th) and having >>> said >>> in a OSS RATS post that I can do all evenings next week except Tuesday, >>> I >>> now realise I can't actually do Thursday or Friday, so in fact only >>> Monday >>> or Wednesday... (!) >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> >>> Lindsay >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark and Victoria" >>> <mailto:capri122@talktalk.net> <capri122(a)talktalk.net> >>> To: <mailto:ossoxon@earth.li> <ossoxon(a)earth.li> >>> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 10:15 AM >>> Subject: Re: [OSS Oxon] Sonning to Shiplake swim next week >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi everyone >>> >>> I hope the Mapledurham swim went well. It's a lovely stretch. I >>> haven't >>> been as far as the lock so I'm looking forward to hearing about it. >>> >>> Anyone have a preference for a swim next week from Sonning? Helen and I >>> can >>> do Monday or Wednesday evening - I'm free on Monday from around 6.30 and >>> on >>> Wednesday around 7.00 - or if anyone's free the following weekend >>> Saturday >>> 18th in the afternoon looks ok, as does Sunday 19th morning. It would >>> be >>> great to have a swim as my wetsuit is desperate to have its first dip, >>> and >>> all I've had at home is peals of hysterical laughter when I've tried it >>> on >>> on dry land. >>> >>> Hope to see you soon. >>> >>> Victoria >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <mailto:ossoxon-request@earth.li> >>> <ossoxon-request(a)earth.li> >>> To: <mailto:ossoxon@earth.li> <ossoxon(a)earth.li> >>> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 8:20 AM >>> Subject: OSSOxon Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Send OSSOxon mailing list submissions to >>> ossoxon(a)earth.li >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://www.earth.li/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ossoxon >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> ossoxon-request(a)earth.li >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> ossoxon-owner(a)earth.li >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of OSSOxon digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: [OSS RATS] Mapledurham/Pangbourne swim, this Thursday >>> evening (Lindsay Nutbrown) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 08:17:59 +0100 >>> From: "Lindsay Nutbrown" <mailto:lindsay@lecnutbrown.plus.com> >>> <lindsay(a)lecnutbrown.plus.com> >>> Subject: Re: [OSS Oxon] [OSS RATS] Mapledurham/Pangbourne swim, this >>> Thursday evening >>> To: "Wellingham Jeremy" <mailto:Jeremy.Wellingham@uk.fujitsu.com> >>> <Jeremy.Wellingham(a)uk.fujitsu.com>, "Helen >>> Roche" <mailto:helen@theskyisblue.net> <helen(a)theskyisblue.net> >>> Cc: ossoxon(a)earth.li, ossrats(a)earth.li >>> Message-ID: <02d601cb4fef$22a667a0$d0fca8c0@LNshomePC> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> Sounds good to me! >>> >>> See you probably somewhere around the junction of Wintringham Way and >>> Colyton Way, or where ever near there that we can find space to park. >>> >>> Best regards >>> >>> >>> Lindsay >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Wellingham Jeremy >>> To: Helen Roche ; Lindsay Nutbrown >>> Cc: ossrats(a)earth.li ; ossoxon(a)earth.li >>> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 8:16 AM >>> Subject: RE: [OSS Oxon] [OSS RATS] Mapledurham/Pangbourne swim,this >>> Thursday evening >>> >>> >>> Yes - option 3 walk and then swim gets my vote as well. (We can always >>> get >>> out a bit early if we feel like it and the remaining walk will be >>> shorter.) >>> >>> I'll see you at Mapledurham lock end (but on Purley housing estate side) >>> at >>> 5:45pm if we're all agreed on option 3. >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards Jeremy >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> -- >>> >>> From: ossoxon-bounces(a)earth.li [mailto:ossoxon-bounces@earth.li] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Helen Roche >>> Sent: 09 September 2010 01:16 >>> To: Lindsay Nutbrown >>> Cc: ossrats(a)earth.li; ossoxon(a)earth.li >>> Subject: Re: [OSS Oxon] [OSS RATS] Mapledurham/Pangbourne swim,this >>> Thursday evening >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks for the outlines, Lindsay. I vote for option 3, and agree that we >>> should strike version 2 from consideration. Jeremy, any preference? >>> >>> cheers >>> >>> Helen >>> >>> >>> >>> On 9 Sep 2010, at 00:43, Lindsay Nutbrown wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> >>> >>> Been out to a Round Table event this evening (riding a 4 man bicycle, >>> would >>> you believe !) so away from e-mail... >>> >>> >>> >>> Various options... >>> >>> >>> >>> Could park at Pangbourne rec, off Thames Avenue (for Pangbourne meadows) >>> start swim there, go with current, get out and walk back. >>> >>> >>> >>> or >>> >>> >>> >>> Could faff about getting cars to both ends (in the assumption we will >>> make >>> it as far as Mapledurham lock - which given the dwindling daylight these >>> evening, I doubt, also as mentioned by Victoria it is probably on the >>> optimistic side of things to expect we'll manage the whole stretch for >>> reasons of distance and coldness. >>> >>> >>> >>> or >>> >>> >>> >>> We park at Mapledurham lock end (but on Purley housing estate side), >>> then >>> walk along as far as Thames beach and swim back to the lock. >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm easy with any of these options, but I do share Victoria's doubts >>> over >>> whether option 2 is practical. 1 and 3 are equally good for me. Helen >>> what >>> would you prefer - walk and then swim or swim and then walk ? >>> >>> >>> >>> Looking forward to this for tomorrow either way, and another go at the >>> Sonning to Shiplake stretch next week would be great too. >>> >>> >>> >>> Helen, I share your hopes that we may get a bit of an 'Indian Summer' >>> (fingers crossed !) >>> >>> >>> >>> All best wishes >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Lindsay >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: Helen Roche >>> >>> To: Jeremy Wellingham >>> >>> Cc: ossoxon(a)earth.li ; ossrats(a)earth.li >>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 9:30 PM >>> >>> Subject: Re: [OSS RATS] [OSS Oxon] Mapledurham/Pangbourne swim,this >>> Thursday evening >>> >>> >>> >>> Ah, good point. Lindsay is the one who knows this stretch. Where are >>> we >>> meeting, Lindsay? >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm starting to wonder if the OSSrats email list was such a good idea, >>> as >>> we're now potentially discussing swims in three places - Oxon and RATS >>> email >>> groups, plus the OSS facebook pages! I thought that all the Berkshire >>> activity might get wearisome for people in north Oxon, though... perhaps >>> it >>> will get more straightforward once all the interested parties join >>> OSSRATS. >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers, and see you tomorrow I hope, Jeremy and Lindsay. >>> >>> >>> >>> H >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 8 Sep 2010, at 21:20, Jeremy Wellingham wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I should be able to make this on the way home from work tomorrow, >>> Thu08Sep. >>> >>> May have missed it along the way but whereabouts in Pangbourne are we >>> meeting? >>> >>> Jeremy >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 08/09/2010 11:41, Helen Roche wrote: >>> >>> 5.45pm tomorrow at Pangbourne, is the idea. :) >>> cheers >>> Helen >>> >>> On 8 Sep 2010, at 08:04, Tracy Knowles wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> love to, any dates? >>> Thanks >>> Tracy >>> On 8 Sep 2010, at 00:07, Helen Roche wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> anyone up for it? As short or as long as you like. >>> >>> cheers >>> Helen >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OSS Oxon mailing list >>> OSSOxon(a)earth.li >>> http://www.earth.li/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ossoxon >>> >>> Please note that OSS Oxon exists to put swimmers in touch with other >>> swimmers, not to organise swim events or in any way suggest that outdoor >>> swimming is a safe activity or that you should go swimming. If you >>> choose to >>> swim you do so entirely at your own risk and on your own initiative, and >>> any >>> plans you make are your own responsibility. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OSS Oxon mailing list >>> OSSOxon(a)earth.li >>> http://www.earth.li/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ossoxon >>> >>> Please note that OSS Oxon exists to put swimmers in touch with other >>> swimmers, not to organise swim events or in any way suggest that outdoor >>> swimming is a safe activity or that you should go swimming. 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