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uea meeting room
by david casal 02 May '02

02 May '02

Hi all. Right, so I finally took a look at ARTS 2.08 (for the uea meeting). It isn't cluttered with terminals, but it is a bit out of the way, back in the teaching wing on the second floor. Lots of desks, not very big (maybe 20-25 people), projector, blackboard, etc. I could see at least a couple of network sockets. Thoughts? dc david casal --0+ --- d.casal(a)uea.ac.uk --9+ --- www.ariada.uea.ac.uk/~dcasal --)+

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ALUG Wiki
by Ricardo Campos 02 May '02

02 May '02

Doh, I'm not sure if it's just my browser or maybe my proxy, but now when I click on any of the links on the ALUG Contrib section of the site, it displays the ALUG Contrib index page again. I'm using Mozilla 0.96 and Internet Explorer 6 on WinNT (I'm at work). Happens on both. Dunno who sorts this out- Martyn? MJR? If it's just me, then just ignore this post! ;) Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Linux in Visual Effects Talk update
by Martyn Drake 02 May '02

02 May '02

Hi folks, I've been just been given approval by the director of engineering and the PR department of the company that I currently work for (The Moving Picture Company - see http://www.moving-picture.com) with regards to a talk about how we use Linux in our work (as well as painting an overall picture of how Linux is used in the post-production and visual effects industry). I'll hopefully will be bringing some goodies with me courtesy of PR, as well as a showreel of work that we've produced over the years. What's left to do now is to organise the time and place for me to give the talk ;) As I'm now living in Surrey - the UEA would be the best place for me to visit, but failing that Syleham is accessible as I remember doing that by taxi the last time I was there. Regards, Martyn

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SendMail
by DanI 02 May '02

02 May '02

Im Using Kmail to send out emails but Im finding sendmail is sending emails but they dont get recieved by the other user. Is thier anything I have to do or is Sendmail mainly used for internal emailing??? Daniel Simpleman __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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Help! I'm a microsoft user
by David Aldridge 02 May '02

02 May '02

Hello, My names Dave, and I'm a microsoft user. I've joined the group because I need to be reformed. One of the reasons that it has taken me so long to make the decision to convert, is that I work for the government who use everything Microsoft. I quite often bring work home with me, and I need compatibility with Office 2000. I'm also using office to do my dissertation and research work for my MA, and the university use office as well. When I chat with our IT department about Linux, they seem to know nothing about it (except for one particularly knowledgeble person), even when I go into computer shops, there is a lot of ignorance. Still, I'm not afraid of getting my hands dirty and playing with computers - I've been using computers since the early eighties at school and college, I just think that I've become lazy using a system that tries to do everything for you (badly most of the time!) In a way I really miss that hands-on computer work. So that's me introduced, I live in South West Suffolk (Cavendish if you know the area). I'm planning a dual system to start with, and then in the future, a complete conversion. I know very little about Linux at the moment, any suggestions for some introductory reading? Dave.

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Interest in Linux install day 2002
by Mat Grove 01 May '02

01 May '02

Hi, this email address is the contact point for Anglian. Someone has got wind of your event: David Robinson <david(a)malimrobin.co.uk> Has filled in the form on linuxinstallday.org to say they are interested in your event. Could you please get back to them. Mat Grove

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Ricardo's poster
by John Woodard 30 Apr '02

30 Apr '02

The Install Day poster is available for download via http @ http://bj.alug.org.uk/poster/LID1.pdf Thanks Ricardo. -- Cheers, BJ

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Re: [Alug] Linux install day....
by Ricardo Campos 30 Apr '02

30 Apr '02

>I'm gonna go try to talk to more computer shops >around here, but the poster >isn't linked from the contrib page. Do we have it in >a downloadable format? Sorry I doubt I will have FTP access before May 19th. (I will only be accessing from work as I'm too busy in the evenings at the mo). I may be able to upload to geocities or something, but that's best avoided! Anyone who wants a copy, ask off list and I'll e-mail them a copy. If they then wish to upload that to a website, print a million copies, or sell it to Richard Branson for £6 million then they can. ;D -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: Re: [Alug] Linux install day....
by Dryden 30 Apr '02

30 Apr '02

I can put up some posters and leave some leaflets around my collage... and maybe even get some ppl to go to one of them. I take it there is no lynn venue... sorry i cant even think of a room in hte collage that we could use... but then maybe i think we need to much. We need a room with tables and power sockets... not many of the rooms have alot of power sockets but we could use extension leads and stuff like that(i cany think of the write words... it is monday morning). HHHmmm ill have to see what i can do/find out. dont get your gopes up though. Dennis Dryden -----Original Message----- From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 08:14:22 GMT Subject: Re: [Alug] Linux install day.... Simon <simon(a)sparksy.org.uk> wrote: > Or is it just a frenzy of installations without too much emphasis on anything > in particluar ? Well, I'm hoping for more infos and demos than just straight installations. It would be very cool to see interesting kit, if you are able to bring it to one or the other. I suspect we'll have more trouble getting demo kit to Syleham. About these install days: who is putting leaflets where? Some suggest places to put them: - Libraries (OK if you make clear it's a volunteer group) - Computer shops (poster would be better) - Colleges, Universities Where else? Who's contacting local media? Shall I put together a faxbomb? Anyone got bright ideas on the wording? _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! ********************************************************************** IMPORTANT: This email and its attachments are intended for the addressee only and may be confidential. If they have come to you in error you must take no action based on them nor must you copy or show them to anyone; please telephone us immediately. The contents of this email and attachments represent the views of the sender and are not necessarily the representative of the views of The College of West Anglia **********************************************************************

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Re: [Alug] Linux install day....
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 30 Apr '02

30 Apr '02

MJRAY wrote: >About these install days: who is putting leaflets where? Do you think it is cool to put any around cambridge? I'll put some up in Burwell library and post office and Newmarket computer shops (they hadn't heard of linux last time I was in). >Who's contacting local media? Shall I put together a faxbomb? Anyone got >bright ideas on the wording? Can we just reuse what we have put together for posters etc so far? I'll post to the linuxjunior and linuxnewbie type sites. Has David Freeman got a list of who he contacted last year anywhere about his person? Jen

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Re: [Alug] Interest in Linux install day 2002
by Ricardo Campos 29 Apr '02

29 Apr '02

If anyone wants a copy of the poster sooner rather than later, I can send it to your e-mail address offlist. (I'm not likely to be able to FTP it or IRC tonight). The Computer Service Centre opposite Jarrolds in Norwich agreed to hold some leaflets for us, I'll go back tomorrow to give them some colour ones. The other shop (to remain nameless) basically acted as if I'd said "I enjoy killing babies" when I mentioned Linux, although they said they'd think about it, and maybe I did actually say "I enjoy killing babies", you never know. In general, I think you'll need more copies of the leaflets, and less copies of the poster. Ricardo ----- This is my web-based e-mail account. I am afraid I cannot change my linewrap, as the interface does not allow me to. (sorry) -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Interest in Linux install day 2002
by Ricardo Campos 29 Apr '02

29 Apr '02

> and a URL to the > poster Ricardo has done (Is it accessible from the website, Ricardo?). *eep* not yet. Remind me to FTP it tonight whilst we're on IRC. Also, I think a link to the main Install Day page would be best, since it will hopefully contain a link to both the Syleham and UEA ones. I've got my smart clothes on, and am gonna take a long lunchbreak to try the computer shops on St.Benedicts, St.Augustines and Earlham Rd. in Norwich! ;) Any news on booking the UEA? -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Interest in Linux install day 2002
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 29 Apr '02

29 Apr '02

> And one person can be responsible for sending this mail to any such > requests, thus avoiding bombarding the list with it many times. MJR wrote: >Are you volunteering to be list keeper in chief? Oh go on, then.....consider any mails with the heading "Interest in Linux install day 2002" to have been dealt with off-list by myself. I'll send them the aforementioned mail I posted, and store their names somewhere in case we want them later for interrogation, hur hur hur. Jen.

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Re: [Alug] Interest in Linux install day 2002
by Ricardo Campos 29 Apr '02

29 Apr '02

On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, david casal wrote: > Erm, yes. I booked ARTS 2.08 on Thursday (forgot to mail the list then), I have updated the ALUG webiste with this info. Any more info on the rooms location, etc would be good. Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Linux install day....
by MJ Ray 29 Apr '02

29 Apr '02

Andrew suggested: > "ALL YOUR PC ARE BELONG TO US"? In A.D. 2002 OSWar was beginning. Gates: What happen ? Mechanic: Somebody set up us the bomb Operator: We get signal Gates: What ! Operator: Main screen turn on Gates: It's You !! Torvalds: How are you gentlemen !! Torvalds: All your PC are belong to us Torvalds: You are on the way to destruction Gates: What you say !! Torvalds: You have no chance to survive make your time Torvalds: HA HA HA HA .... Gates: Take off every 'FUD' Gates: You know what you doing Gates: Move 'FUD' Gates: For great monopoly Shamelessly ripped from allyourbase.net -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Interest in Linux install day 2002
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 29 Apr '02

29 Apr '02

>John Woodard <mail(a)johnwoodard.co.uk> wrote: >> Is anybody dealing with these requests? >MJRay wrote: >Not as far as I know. If you do, please CC the list so that we don't get >200 people replying to them. How we should reply is another question >entirely. Perhaps a small email saying welcome, a URL to the install page on the website , http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?May%2019th and a URL to the poster Ricardo has done (Is it accessible from the website, Ricardo?). Along the lines of "Dear Interested Person, Thanks for your interest in the Anglian LUG install day! All the information you may need about what the day is for and what you can get out of it can be found on our website http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?May%2019th or please feel free to join the mailing list to ask any questions you may have about linux or the install day. We also have an IRC meeting on [fill in channel details here] where members of alug hang out on a Monday night adn can answer any questions you may have about what the day entails." And one person can be responsible for sending this mail to any such requests, thus avoiding bombarding the list with it many times. Jen

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Linux install day....
by Simon 29 Apr '02

29 Apr '02

Hi everyone.... Maybe I've missed something or am just plain dim (probably the latter) ..... The install day, what is supposed to happen, is it an exibition type venue where "the masses" are shown what linux can be installed on, how easy it is, setting up mail/web/news/samba and all that ? If this is the case I've got one of those monster hot swap, redundant everything IBM 4500's we can build and setup for an example of a Linux server in an enterprise environment.... I may also be able to get my hands on a Compaq DL380 with usual redunant stuff, plus a Compaq Remote Lights Out Card, which is quite funky in itself if you're interested in Out Of Band management... Or is it just a frenzy of installations without too much emphasis on anything in particluar ? Simon

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 29 Apr '02

29 Apr '02

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.openprojects.net in the #alug channel, you can take a look at www.openprojects.net to get more info on the openprojects network. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server uk.openprojects.net" or "/server eu.openprojects.net" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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RE: [Alug] binary symbols
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 28 Apr '02

28 Apr '02

Ted Harding wrote: >In the console, which is "opened" on boot, I'm not >sure that there is a cure if "reset" doesn't work! reset has done the job. xs wrote: >Using less rather than cat can save time too, as it can display binary >files in a bearable format. I'll try and remember this - "cat" was my first ever linux command and old habits die hard! Thanks, all. Jenny.

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Interest in Linux install day 2002
by Mat Grove 28 Apr '02

28 Apr '02

Hi, this email address is the contact point for Anglian. Someone has got wind of your event: Carl Mountain <carl(a)st-clements.norfolk.sch.uk> Has filled in the form on linuxinstallday.org to say they are interested in your event. Could you please get back to them. Mat Grove

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E-Mail To /dev/null
by Matt Parker 28 Apr '02

28 Apr '02

Hi All, I get tons of spam in my mailbox, mostly from job sites who continue to send me job listings months after I found a job and I've supposedly unsubscribed from their "service". These e-mails can be anything up to 200k in size and since I'm on dial up I was looking for a better solution than just filtering and sending to trash in K-Mail since I still have to download the things currently. Is there any way I can get the mail headers first and then just trash the e-mail or do I really have to download these things? Ta, Matt

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Sound problem
by Ian Thompson-Bell 27 Apr '02

27 Apr '02

Hi, I am trying to get sound going on my IS 639 chip set based PC. I am running RH7.2 which detected my SIS accelerated audio and loaded the 'appropriate' modules. But no sound. Anyway, I have tried lots of things but basically I am stuck. The current situation is sndconfig detects the chips OK and the modules soundcore, trident and ac_97 have loaded OK. I tried cat /usr/local/sndconfig/sample.au >/dev/dsp but it just there doing nothing till I kill it. Yes, I have run up a mixer and made sure the volume controls are turned up. I was thinking maybe I needed to pass some parameters to the card but when I tried to add an options trident io=0x220 line to modules.conf I get an invalid option error. I even looked at the trident.c source from which it is apparent this module works for four different card types so maybe there is an option I need to select here. So what do I do next? Ian

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linux laptops
by Ricardo Campos 26 Apr '02

26 Apr '02

I'm looking for a linux laptop, medium spec. I want to pay roughly around £800. I'm intrigued by www.dnuk.com, since they offer laptops with linux preinstalled, but their prices seem a little higher than I can afford. Has anyone got any tips? Should I go for a second hand laptop instead and struggle with the install myself? (yes, I DO know about www.linux-laptop.net) Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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binary symbols
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 26 Apr '02

26 Apr '02

Hi list, I'm constantly opening binary files using cat from the command line by mistake, then after quitting out the console displays all text in weird symbols. Is there anyway to reset the console when this happens? Thanks, Jen.

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Re: [Alug] linux laptops
by Ricardo Campos 26 Apr '02

26 Apr '02

> >Unless something has changed, Darwin is *not* Open Source in the OSI sense, > >ie it is not Free Software (free as in freedom). Isn't it a BSD-style license? I'm really undecided as to which I feel is 'better', as I find one more ethically acceptable, and the other more economically viable. But then I'm neither an expert on ethics or economics! > Find an x86 > machine at the same price as an Apple one and you'll probably find that > the performance/features are about equal. I agree with that wholeheartedly, at least it has been so in the past. > As for freedom, I can't say as i'm in much of a position to go hacking > around with any of OS X at the moment, plus, i can run linux on it if I > want (SuSE, Debian, Yellow Dog, Mandrake). I have to say Rob's demo of OS X really made my jaw drop. In terms of functionality,ease of use and integration, it is exactly what people want. I think Linux has a lot to learn from OS X, certainly if anyone wants it to work as a successful desktop OS. I don't think that it's any coincidence that most of the people I have met who use linux are 1)in education/research, 2) hackers (I mean programmers), 3) people who work in technical jobs, network admins etc. 4) people who have *time*. And I would admit this; if my girlfriend needed to buy a computer, I would recommend an iMac. She is artistic, not technical, she doesn't enjoy hacking computers, and she wants to take it out of the box, connect it up and start using it. Besides which, I can go exploring the BSD underneath when she's not looking ;-) Of course I wouldn't recommend M$ X-pee-pee. -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] linux laptops
by xs＠kittenz.org 26 Apr '02

26 Apr '02

on Fri, Apr 26, 2002 at 05:07:22PM +0100, Richard Kettlewell wrote: > > > If I want to link a program with a closed source, patent-ridden, > > maggot-eaten library, isn't that up to me? After all, I don't have > > to distribute that linked program, nor the source modifications, if > > there are any. > > It's not at all clear to me that the GPL (assuming that's what you're > moaning about) actually prohibits you from doing this. Well, the last bit of /usr/src/linux/COPYING says: This General Public License does not permit incorporating your program into proprietary programs. If your program is a subroutine library, you may consider it more useful to permit linking proprietary applications with the library. If this is what you want to do, use the GNU Library General Public License instead of this License. and then http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#TOCWritingFSWithNFLibs *shrug* > Furthermore, I believe you could distribute the modified source under > section 2, even though it would only be useful in conjunction with a > non-free library. Until there was a free version of the library (motif/lessif..) > >> Nothing requires a developer to use the "or any later version" > >> clause in their declaration, but many do. > > > > And GNU doesn't explicitly say you can leave it out. Many people > > writing software for free, can't afford lawyers. > > I think they can employ common sense though. Courts can't necessarily.

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Re: [Alug] Mac OS X, *BSD and GPL
by Ricardo Campos 26 Apr '02

26 Apr '02

> IMHO, wanting to twiddle and code stuff doesn't make you a nerd, or even > abnormal. hmmm.... I disagree I think, at least at home. If you mean adjusting your desktop wallpaper and having themes for XMMS/KDE/Sawfish/etc. then I agree. If you mean fiddling with config files, for days and days and days (not to mention recompiling kernels etc) just to get one peripheral working, then I disagree. In respects to business/research use, no it is not abnormal at all. Other than my left of left wing politics, my frustrations with administering Lotus Notes/SQL Server/NT, led me to Linux. "But WHY can't I change it??????" > Any fool can program, and most do. You're trolling, right? The only way I can make sense of this statement, is that you find programming easy, and that you only hang out with programmers. Outside of ALUG I only know 2 people who program, both of which are professional programmers. I know at least 100 people who use computers... (not to mention the 300 users I have on my network) >The idea is making the > -option- of Free Software available to as many of the 'want out of box > solution' > crowd, while making it clear that you don't really need to be a 'nerd' to > work with a Free system. I was never disputing that. Most of this tweaking wouldn't be needed if you could buy a pooter with a GNU/Linux installation pre-installed and preconfigured for your hardware. What I am disputing is the assumption that everyone will find GNU/Linux easy to use, install and maintain. I am only now confident after what, 7 months of using it. I install debian, and realise I'm gonna have to spend more free time learning *that*, cos everything is sufficiently different from my last distro. (If the weather gets better then that's just not going to happen!) And anyway, being a'nerd' is "cool" these days. ;) -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Mac OS X, *BSD and GPL
by Ricardo Campos 26 Apr '02

26 Apr '02

Well, we're going round in semantic/political circles now. When it comes to general world-view as to people's ethical inclinations, feel free to e-mail me off-list. > Fair enough. In time, you'll learn never to make a point about licencing > within earshot of Mark :-) Yes, but I enjoy him putting on his Stallman/Jesus beard (although I am not suggesting Jesus was caucasian like Stallman). And I like playing devil's advocate. Besides which, I value the points made in the debate. Oh yeah, and it's friday, and no-one phones tech support on friday. If all the routers went down, people would just go home rather than bother calling us. So I have time on my hands. ;) -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Mac OS X, *BSD and GPL
by Ricardo Campos 26 Apr '02

26 Apr '02

#Sets subject to the new branch of this thread >I think you have a different objective for economics >to me. Possibly, possibly not. I made no mention of *my* ideals, it wasn't the point I was making. The point I was making is that the majority of people *prefer* the capitalistic way. I think GPL is too radical to be practical (regardless of whether I believe it's the the right way or not), since there are a lot of fat cats to persuade... >I want a free and fair market, I do too. I find capitalism to be coercive and unfair. I prefer small companies to have the freedom to compete, rather than a single monopoly. >while it sounds like you want a way for companies to >grow fat from cheap/free labour of programmers. Not me. But most companies DO. </snipped out my personal politics rant!> >> I don't think that it's any coincidence that most of the people I have met >> who use linux are .... > >Maybe it's just that we become one of the above, >empowered by the ability to do so? Errr... yes/no. Yes, in the sense that I, for example, have just applied for an MSc in Software Development (mostly OO stuff) and my last degree was in Pharmacology- I attribute my wish to code as 99.999% due to GNU/Linux. It has absoloutely nothing to do with their 32 processor Beowulf cluster, honest. But then, I was already working in IT, and I never (well, maybe once a month) watch TV, so when the pub's not an option, I'm fiddling with my computer, or reading a book. I am far from normal. I am a nerd. No, as most people don't have the time, intelligence or the patience (particularly the patience) to fiddle with their computer. They want it to be as easy and convenient as a TV, although I'll be buggered if I understand how my parents digital TV works. Basically, I was making a point of practicality for the BSD licence, rather than an idealistic or personal one. So, who's for Microsoft Windows BSD-XP? ;) -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: Mac OS X, *BSD and GPL
by MJ Ray 26 Apr '02

26 Apr '02

Ricardo: > Possibly, possibly not. I made no mention of *my* ideals, it wasn't the > point I was making. The point I was making is that the majority of people > *prefer* the capitalistic way. I think GPL is too radical to be practical > (regardless of whether I believe it's the the right way or not), since > there are a lot of fat cats to persuade... Capitalism is a system based on general private ownership of capital, not the modern phenomenon of consolidation of that capital in the hands of a few people. Indeed, that is usually called an oligopoly and is not the normal outcome of a fair market, so presence of such a situation is normally regarded as just cause for intervention. GPL probably is too radical: it's far more capitalistic than our system. > Basically, I was making a point of practicality for the BSD licence, > rather than an idealistic or personal one. As was I. The BSD licence allows anyone to attempt to pervert the market by fencing off their patch of the commons. As the commons in this situation is infinite, normal fencing is inadequate. Each market being fenced off is infinite and that isn't permitted by a capitalist system. That's why copyrights and patents expire eventually: if they do not, they cannot exist in a capitalist system. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Mac OS X, *BSD and GPL
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 26 Apr '02

26 Apr '02

Ricardo wrote: >So I have time on my hands. That was a foolish admission. You know that poster??? :-) (Linux Install Day folk never got back to me) Jen

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RE: [Alug] binary symbols
by alasdair.i.macleod＠bt.com 26 Apr '02

26 Apr '02

try reset<CR> you may not see what you're typing but it should work. -----Original Message----- From: Jenny_Hopkins(a)toby-churchill.com [mailto:Jenny_Hopkins@toby-churchill.com] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 9:38 AM To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug] binary symbols Hi list, I'm constantly opening binary files using cat from the command line by mistake, then after quitting out the console displays all text in weird symbols. Is there anyway to reset the console when this happens? Thanks, Jen. _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above!

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SCSI woes
by John Freeman 26 Apr '02

26 Apr '02

I've been stuck in a conundrum with trying to play audio CD's as a normal user (works perfect as root). Recently I had to change the way my ATAP CD/RW was probed at boot time. I am now using SCSI emulation, whereby /dev/cdrom now points to sr0 rather than /dev/hdd. lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 Apr 24 19:37 /dev/cdrom -> sr0 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 11, 0 Apr 13 1999 sr0 brw-rw---- 1 root disk 11, 0 Apr 24 19:25 scd0 The user in question *is* a member of the disk group, so the read/write permissions are correct. Is there another reason why I get the following error with cdparanoia: /dev/cdrom exists but isn't accessible. By default, cdparanoia stops searching for an accessible drive here. Consider using -sv to force a more complete autosense of the machine. More information about /dev/cdrom: Checking /dev/cdrom for cdrom... Testing /dev/cdrom for cooked ioctl() interface /dev/sr0 is not a cooked ioctl CDROM. Testing /dev/cdrom for SCSI interface No generic SCSI device found to match CDROM device /dev/sr0 *The same error still occurs if /dev/cdrom points to /dev/sdc0 too -John Freeman-

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Converting files to pdf???
by Dryden 25 Apr '02

25 Apr '02

I need to try converting kword files to pdf any idea's? Would installing open office doit?... Dennis Dryden ********************************************************************** IMPORTANT: This email and its attachments are intended for the addressee only and may be confidential. If they have come to you in error you must take no action based on them nor must you copy or show them to anyone; please telephone us immediately. The contents of this email and attachments represent the views of the sender and are not necessarily the representative of the views of The College of West Anglia **********************************************************************

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Re: [Alug] linux laptops
by Dryden 25 Apr '02

25 Apr '02

Well im runing Mandrake 8.2 on a Dell latitude CPi 266MHz 128Mb ram... and its doing allright. I only have two problems... Its got a CS42xx sound chipset and it crashes hard witha defult mandrake kernal when i close the lid(it seems to start spining the cd drive). Also i get a crashing problem when running gnome... but kde is fine. Ive also tryed mandrake 8.0 befor upgrading to 8.2 and i have the same problems... Nuatilas(gnome file manager) used to crash my system when a ran it :(. I know its an old system but it works well anoth and cost £500 snd hand a few months ago... (i dont wana know if ive been riped off). -----Original Message----- From: "Ricardo Campos" <corez23(a)linuxmail.org> To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:30:02 +0000 Subject: [Alug] linux laptops I'm looking for a linux laptop, medium spec. I want to pay roughly around £800. I'm intrigued by www.dnuk.com, since they offer laptops with linux preinstalled, but their prices seem a little higher than I can afford. Has anyone got any tips? Should I go for a second hand laptop instead and struggle with the install myself? (yes, I DO know about www.linux-laptop.net) Ricardo -- ********************************************************************** IMPORTANT: This email and its attachments are intended for the addressee only and may be confidential. If they have come to you in error you must take no action based on them nor must you copy or show them to anyone; please telephone us immediately. The contents of this email and attachments represent the views of the sender and are not necessarily the representative of the views of The College of West Anglia **********************************************************************

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Re: [Alug] linux laptops
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 25 Apr '02

25 Apr '02

Ricardo Campus wrote: >Has anyone got any tips? Should I go for a second hand laptop instead and struggle with the install myself? (yes, I >DO know about www.linux-laptop.net) One of the first things i did as a moderate newbie was stuff debian onto a toshiba satellite 2300cds, it was not a lot of problem, even X. And then a year later I got the winmodem and pc card working. Plus it is always more satisfying blowing out the original brains of a computer with a smug "ms" sticker on the outside. Jen.

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Re: [Alug] Re: EXT2 ->EXT3
by Ricardo Campos 25 Apr '02

25 Apr '02

> I have a 120Gig RH7.2 ext3 drive and take delight in > the fact I can power off at random and get back to > working in under a minute! Yep, Ext3 utterly rocks. Can't imagine going back to ext2 out of choice, and it's absoloutely no hassle to set up. Anyone know if it is going to be in the next Debian release? (i.e. is it in testing at the mo?) Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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ReiserFS with SuSE ??
by alasdair.i.macleod＠bt.com 25 Apr '02

25 Apr '02

Talking of file systems. I've tried to make a SuSE 7.1 install with ReiserFS but the install keeps failing. I've done a search of news groups etc and seen people mention the same problem - but no solution. Anyone know anything about this? The partitioning goes OK but the install fails during the package install phase (using Yast1 & 2). cheers, Alasdair. -----Original Message----- From: Ricardo Campos [mailto:corez23@linuxmail.org] Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 9:22 AM To: madtom1999 Cc: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] Re: EXT2 ->EXT3 > I have a 120Gig RH7.2 ext3 drive and take delight in > the fact I can power off at random and get back to > working in under a minute! Yep, Ext3 utterly rocks. Can't imagine going back to ext2 out of choice, and it's absoloutely no hassle to set up. Anyone know if it is going to be in the next Debian release? (i.e. is it in testing at the mo?) Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above!

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Re: EXT2 ->EXT3
by tom potts 25 Apr '02

25 Apr '02

I believe (but then I'm gullible) that ext3 is a sort of add-on to ext2 and is backward compatible! http://www.redhat.com/support/wpapers/redhat/ext3/why.html Your disk behaves like ext2 but with added bits. If your system doesnt crash then the disk is a valid ext2 disk as well as ext3 so can be mounted and read by ext2 only systems. Of course if you modify the ext2 data and then run ext3 there may be problems as the journaling will be 'out of whack'. I have a 120Gig RH7.2 ext3 drive and take delight in the fact I can power off at random and get back to working in under a minute! Tom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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Re: [Alug] Kernel 2.4.18
by Ricardo Campos 24 Apr '02

24 Apr '02

> the trouble is leaving the Symmetric multi-processing support in the kernel. Time for another Ricardo Simpson 'Doh!' moment... I was going to say at the last ALUG meet that I had exactly the same problem, until I realised I was booting an SMP kernel, instead of a uniprocessor one. When I switched over, I found that it would power down OK. Oops, could've saved you some time! Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Kernel 2.4.18
by John Seago 24 Apr '02

24 Apr '02

Thank you Mark, and all who offered advice, Mark's solution solved my problem first go, my box now shuts itself down, and I've made a boot disk for it. Thank you Mark! -- John Seago

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Administrivia: contrib and main list
by MJ Ray 23 Apr '02

23 Apr '02

In a fit of mental cruelty not seen for some time, I've connected the wiki templates up to the XML/XSL generation system that does the main site. The contrib pages now look more like the main site. Scary, eh? Also, in a fit of petty baby-eating, emails to the list with a subject line of "Re: main digest ..." etc will be bounced. It does ask you to edit the subject line on replies, after all, and it's hard to tell what its about before opening if the subject line is useless. Goodnight, cruel world.

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Re: [Alug] Converting from EXT2 to EXT3
by DanI 23 Apr '02

23 Apr '02

Thanks John it works good. Im learning new stuff everyday :-)... ...Daniel Simpleman --- John Freeman <root(a)layla-studios.co.uk> wrote: > 1) Make sure you have ext3 compilied into the kernel > (its easier this way > rather than a module, otherwise you have to set up > initial ram disks and > things) > > 2)type mount -v > this will show all partitions mounted as ext2 > > i.e > /dev/hdc3 on / type ext2 (rw) > /dev/hdc1 on /boot type ext2 (rw) > /dev/hda1 on /home type ext2 (rw) > > 3) for each partition type: > > tune2fs -j /dev/hdX > > where X is the partition letter > > 4) edit /etc/fstab and change ext2 to ext3 > > 5) reboot and voila, ext3 > > > On Tuesday 23 Apr 2002 1:55 pm, DanI wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone could tell me how to > convert > > from EXT2 to EXT3 without loosing (formatting) all > my > > stuff on my hard drive... > > > > ...Daniel Simpleman > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > > http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ > > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > > Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site > above! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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Converting from EXT2 to EXT3
by DanI 23 Apr '02

23 Apr '02

I was wondering if anyone could tell me how to convert from EXT2 to EXT3 without loosing (formatting) all my stuff on my hard drive... ...Daniel Simpleman __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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mac quadra 950
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 23 Apr '02

23 Apr '02

>After dire warnings from CamLUG it's offical MJR has become a despot! :-) Perhaps it will happen to us all eventually. That mac quadra rescued from a skip I mentioned on IRC last night is a 950 by the way. A quick google search tells me to install linux on this machine you need patience, skill and patience.... Oh, and spare time. Jen

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Kernel 2.4.18 Power Off
by John Seago 23 Apr '02

23 Apr '02

I was using the 2.4.18 kernel and had managed to compile it so that it switched of the machine when the shutdown process reached its end. I re-insalled my Slackware 8 system and re-compiled the 2.4.18 Kernel, however I cannot seem to get the permutations back to the way they were during my previous use of the 2.4.18 kernel, and now I cannot get it to shut down my machine, despite some 32 attempts. I made enquiries at yesterday's meeting at Elmswell, (thank you Rob), and it appears that this problem affects others as well. Mark did give me some information as to how I could overcome this problem, unfortunately I did not write it down, and my latest attempts have yet to produce a kernel which will shut down the Computer at the end of the shutdown process. Any help anyone can offer on this subject will be gratefully received. -- John Seago

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Gnome stones
by Douglas Thompson 22 Apr '02

22 Apr '02

Hi again, Another prob with mandrake8.1: Gnome stones won't start when I click new game. Will this be better in 8.2? DougT

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RE: main digest, Vol 1 #260 - 5 msgs
by Andrew Wallis 22 Apr '02

22 Apr '02

I'd find that very interesting (& I might just attend my first ALUG meeting!). > -----Original Message----- > From: "Martyn Drake" <martyn(a)alug.org.uk> > To: <main(a)lists.alug.org.uk> > Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 18:32:07 +0100 > Subject: [Alug] Possible talk > > Hi folks, > > I'm working for a company that heavily uses Linux in the workplace to > produce visual effects for major feature films and television > shows (as well > as television commercials). > > I was thinking if I can get clearance from my boss as well as the > PR people, > would anybody be interested in a talk at one of Alug's meetings about > Linux's use in post-production and visual effects (and in > particular how my > employer's make good use of it)? > > Regards, > > Martyn Regards Andrew Wallis Fox Cottage Fox Hill St Cross South Elmham HARLESTON IP20 0NX UK phone: +44 (0) 1986 782283 mobile: +44 (0) 7860 217025 email: mailto:andrew.wallis@vulpes.demon.co.uk SMS via email: mailto:+447860217025@mmail.co.uk ************************************************************** This email may contain information which is privileged, confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this email or any part of it, please telephone +44 (0)1986 782283 immediately on receipt. You should not disclose the contents to any other person or take copies. **************************************************************

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Re: [Alug] Possible talk
by Dryden 22 Apr '02

22 Apr '02

Hi folks, I'm working for a company that heavily uses Linux in the workplace... [SNIP] ...would anybody be interested in a talk at one of Alug's meetings about Linux's use in post-production and visual effects (and in particular how my employer's make good use of it)? Ye that would be very cool Id be interested... but prop not at the meeting so i dont realy count. Dennis Dryden ********************************************************************** IMPORTANT: This email and its attachments are intended for the addressee only and may be confidential. If they have come to you in error you must take no action based on them nor must you copy or show them to anyone; please telephone us immediately. The contents of this email and attachments represent the views of the sender and are not necessarily the representative of the views of The College of West Anglia **********************************************************************

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 22 Apr '02

22 Apr '02

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.openprojects.net in the #alug channel, you can take a look at www.openprojects.net to get more info on the openprojects network. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server uk.openprojects.net" or "/server eu.openprojects.net" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Re: [Alug] 3d hardware stuff(nvidia)
by Ricardo Campos 21 Apr '02

21 Apr '02

> Hi everyone, > I've just installed the nvidia drivers for linux, but the openGL > applications won't start. After installing the nvidia kernel patch, you need to change the driver from "nv" to "nvidia" in the XF86Config files. Before installing the NVIDIA_GLX package, you need to: cd /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions mv libGLcore.a libGLcore.a.mesa mv libglx.a libglx.a.mesa cd /usr/X11R6/lib mv libGL.so libGL.so.mesa mv libGL.so.1 libGL.so.1.mesa mv libGL.so.1.0 libGL.so.1.0.mesa mv libGL.so.1.2 libGL.so.1.2.mesa mv libGL.so.1.2.0 libGL.so.1.2.0.mesa THEN install the GLX package. Make sure the XF86Config files have a line saying: Load "glx" (this is probably commented out by default). You should get the NVIDIA symbol come up before you login if it's all installed A-OK. Restart the X-server (ctrl+alt+backspace) if in doubt. Hope that helps. Ricardo ______________________________________________ "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Possible talk
by Martyn Drake 21 Apr '02

21 Apr '02

Hi folks, I'm working for a company that heavily uses Linux in the workplace to produce visual effects for major feature films and television shows (as well as television commercials). I was thinking if I can get clearance from my boss as well as the PR people, would anybody be interested in a talk at one of Alug's meetings about Linux's use in post-production and visual effects (and in particular how my employer's make good use of it)? Regards, Martyn

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3d hardware stuff(nvidia)
by Douglas Thompson 21 Apr '02

21 Apr '02

Hi everyone, I've just installed the nvidia drivers for linux, but the openGL applications won't start. please help --- Hardware specs: 256Meg ram, Geforce2 pro 64MB card, AMD athlon 1200mhz processor, Mandrake8.1. --- dougT

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Install Day Propaganda
by Ricardo Campos 21 Apr '02

21 Apr '02

Below is the wording of an A4 poster I have drafted. Please give me suggestions on wording etc. (I obviously haven't put in the italics etc and Tux). I realise that no computer shop is going to put the poster up if the the first point is still there! Once it's done I'll put the .pdf on a website. ______________________________________________________ Tired of having to pay for software? Tired of unstable systems that lock up just when youre doing something really important? Heard about Linux but unsure about how to try it? Anglian Linux Users Group are holding two days to showcase Linux. We can help you install it on your computer, answer your questions, or you can just browse. The meetings are:- 19th May at Syleham 9th June at the UEA, Norwich Please visit our website for more information: http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?LinuxInstallDay2002 -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Sending ASCII to a Serial port?
by Dryden 19 Apr '02

19 Apr '02

What would be the best way to send char's and strings to a serial port? My problem is that i would like to send commands to a robotic arm that ive played about with a few months ago. At the moment the electronics teacher is using QBASIC to work it... I used to love QBASIC but I don't have a Linux equivalent and to be really honest I don't want one (BASIC == S...L...O...O...O...W...W...). In his current program he's opening the serial port and then using the print statement to send the strings to the robotic arm. How would I do this on Linux in c? Would I use the file handling commands and open /dev/S0 (what ever the Comm ports are called under Linux) and then use fprintf(serial_port, "command")??? Would i have any problems doing this f5rom a normal user account on my system or would I need to be root? It would be nice if anyone could give me some example code or give me the address of a good web site on the subject:). I'm Not so hot on file handling in c so even some examples of this would be nice. Thanx for the help :) Dennis Dryden ********************************************************************** IMPORTANT: This email and its attachments are intended for the addressee only and may be confidential. If they have come to you in error you must take no action based on them nor must you copy or show them to anyone; please telephone us immediately. The contents of this email and attachments represent the views of the sender and are not necessarily the representative of the views of The College of West Anglia **********************************************************************

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Whoops/HELP!/Promotion & Marketing ALUG
by MJ Ray 19 Apr '02

19 Apr '02

I finally did something I've been meaning to do for a few days and gave the people at bestevent.co.uk a call. They run computer fairs around the ALUG region (eg, King's Lynn tomorrow, Thetford Sunday, BSE & Norwich the following weekend), so I thought putting a few leaflets out at their event in exchange for some leaflets at ours would be mutually beneficial. However, I seem to have been offered stand space at tomorrow's King's Lynn event. Foolishly, I accepted. Erm, help. Is anyone else in the King's Lynn area able to come along to Lynnsport tomorrow and man the stand for a bit? I'll do the first hour or two (10-12ish), but I really need to get repairing my car and sorting out the house too. Even if you don't want to man it, I'd like to meet any other ALUGgers in this area. If no-one can, it's not a dead loss, as I'll leave the leaflets and posters which I'm hastily preparing for people to post back to us, or come along to one of the next few events. If anyone can email me ideas (or even whole lumps of text) for leaflets, that is also good. At the moment, I'm ripping through the ALUG site. I'll chip in a few quid for printing, but any more help would be welcome. I also don't have any giveaway CDs any more... anyone able to obtain some of those, either now or for later? More generally, is promotion at some of these fairs a good idea? I guess tomorrow will tell... -- MJR

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Why should I get an 'Illegal request'?
by bsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 19 Apr '02

19 Apr '02

I've just noticed this in my logs: kernel: sr0: CDROM (ioctl) reports ILLEGAL REQUEST. It appears to have happened after I played a CDROM although everything seems to work. Can anyone explain why this should occur and will I be arrested for it? Barry Samuels

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Elmswell transport
by MJ Ray 19 Apr '02

19 Apr '02

Oh deep joy. I'm now without a car this weekend (irony dictates that I get it back Monday, so only ALUG is affected). Is any travelling to the meeting able to stop by Bury or Stowmarket stations on the way in and out? Please email me off-list if you can. Thanks in advance. -- MJR

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XFree86-4 and AGP
by bsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 19 Apr '02

19 Apr '02

I have a Tyan Thunder K7 MP board with a Matrox G400. I have recently enabled AGP & DRI support in my kernel. I chose the AMD Irongate, 761 and 762 support as being the only option remotely resembling my mainboard's chip set: 00:00.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]: Unknown device 700c (rev 11) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]: Unknown device 700d 00:07.0 ISA bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] AMD-765 [Viper] ISA (rev 02) 00:07.1 IDE interface: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] AMD-765 [Viper] IDE (rev 01)00:07.3 Bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] AMD-765 [Viper] ACPI (rev 01) 00:07.4 USB Controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] AMD-765 [Viper] USB (rev 07 It would appear that this isn't an appropriate match as I see in my log: Apr 19 10:41:15 DATAMAN1 kernel: [drm:drm_init] *ERROR* Cannot initialize the agpgart module. Does this mean AGP & DRI aren't going to work for me? Barry Samuels

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RE: [Alug] Install Day Propaganda
by Keith Watson 18 Apr '02

18 Apr '02

> > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: main-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk > > [mailto:main- admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk]On Behalf Of MJ Ray > > Sent: 18 April 2002 01:44 > > To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > > Subject: Re: [Alug] Install Day Propaganda > > > > > > Ricardo Campos <corez23(a)linuxmail.org> wrote: > > > Tired of having to pay for software? > > > > That's a bit anti-commercial of you. > > > > MJR, a seller of Free Software. > > That would be *Free* as in *freedom* rather than Free as in lunch. :-) > > -- > Cheers, > BJ > > _______________________________________________ > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above! > No question, everybody know "There ain't no free lunch!!" :oD (OK! OK! enough with the groans already!) Regards, Keith Watson Email: mailto:KPWatson@Luna.CO.UK Web site: http://www.luna.co.uk/~kpwatson ____________ Lose your mind and come to your senses. Fritz Perls ____________ This email and any files transmitted with it is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author . If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager.

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ADMIN: Mailman Upgrade re-scheduled
by Martyn Drake 18 Apr '02

18 Apr '02

Hi folks, Didn't get around to upgrading Mailman last week what with various things going on, so I'm aiming to upgrade this weekend (I'm aiming for Sunday at 18:00) to version 2.0.10 which has just been released and fixes a few minor bugs. Regards, Martyn -- Martyn Drake | Email : martyn-d(a)moving-picture.com Systems Administrator | Web : http://www.moving-picture.com The Moving Picture Company | Phone : +44 (0)20 7494 7853

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RE: main digest, Vol 1 #254 - 18 msgs
by Andrew Wallis 18 Apr '02

18 Apr '02

If, for any reason, you can't get your SCA disk changed for an ordinary 68-pin then maybe a solution might be a hot swap canister from, for example, http://www.storcase.com. > -----Original Message----- > From: "David Fairey" <alug(a)davidfairey.org.uk> > To: "ALUG Main" <main(a)lists.alug.org.uk> > Subject: Re: [Alug] SCA-2 to 68pin converters. > Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 18:31:57 +0100 > > > OK clever peeps, I'm tearing my hair out at the mo. I have an 80 pin > LVD SCSI HD and a pci LVD SCSI card that has 68 pin and 50 pin > interfaces. I have a 68pin terminated cable. > > > > I know you can get 80 pin to 68 pin converters, but it seems to have > female connectors on both sides. Does this mean I'll need an 80 pin > male-to-male connector? > > > > i.e. is it actually possible to put an 80 pin SCA-2 HD in a normal pc? > > >From what I remember SCA-2 needs a single cable that has both the data > and the power leads, which would normally be provided inside a hot-swap > drive case. > > So not sure if there would be any suitable converters for attaching to > 68pin cable. > > We always had to send them back to the supplier as the salesman who sold > it didn't know the difference. > > David. Regards Andrew Wallis Fox Cottage Fox Hill St Cross South Elmham HARLESTON IP20 0NX UK phone: +44 (0) 1986 782283 mobile: +44 (0) 7860 217025 email: mailto:andrew.wallis@vulpes.demon.co.uk SMS via email: mailto:+447860217025@mmail.co.uk ************************************************************** This email may contain information which is privileged, confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this email or any part of it, please telephone +44 (0)1986 782283 immediately on receipt. You should not disclose the contents to any other person or take copies. **************************************************************

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Re: Changing email address
by MJ Ray 18 Apr '02

18 Apr '02

Leonard Chandler <leonardchandler(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > only difference being a dot between "leonard" and "chandler". Should I > un-subscribe and then re-subscribe, or is there another way? It is simplest if you un-sub and re-sub. If I do it from the admin side, all I will do is the same process for you. Hope that's OK. MJR

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Re: [Alug] Install day leaflet
by Ricardo Campos 18 Apr '02

18 Apr '02

> Here's a good nux leaflet we could distribute: ;-) > http://www.dumbentia.com/pdflib/moregeeky.pdf Erm... uh... funny (I printed it out too), but possibly not the best advert we could have! I'll try and find some spare time and come up with one myself. (Although shhh I won't being using free s/w since I'll do it at work where we have laser printers galore)! Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re[2]: [Alug] XFree 4, Matrox G400 & graphics acceleration
by bsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 17 Apr '02

17 Apr '02

Richard Kettlewell <richardk(a)chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote: > bsamuels(a)beenthere-donethat.org.uk writes: > > I have a Matrox Millenium G400 in my machine which is running Debian > > 'Testing' which means XFree 4.1.0 I believe. > > Me too and yes. {snip] Thanks Richard. I'll have a fiddle around. Barry Samuels

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Re: [Alug] Install day leaflet
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 17 Apr '02

17 Apr '02

>Ok. We need posters, and people to volunteer to poster places. A press >release, and people to fax them. Also, leaflets on nux for people >to pick up at Syleham? Here's a good nux leaflet we could distribute: ;-) http://www.dumbentia.com/pdflib/moregeeky.pdf I've got one on my wall here. Jen

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Re: [Alug] MSN Instant Messanger Clone
by Ricardo Campos 17 Apr '02

17 Apr '02

> I was wondering if any of you people know of any MSN > IM Clones out there that work. I tried CCMSN and few > other but would not work. Maybe it hates Mandrake 8.2 I use Gaim (as reviewed by myself on the ALUG Wiki site). http://gaim.sourceforge.net I've found it to be the best for Jabber, Yahoo!, AIM and MSN. It rocks. Use the most recent version, as it's the most stable. It's worth a try and you should be able to get rpm's for it, if not there, on Mandrake Cooker. Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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MSN Instant Messanger Clone
by DanI 16 Apr '02

16 Apr '02

I was wondering if any of you people know of any MSN IM Clones out there that work. I tried CCMSN and few other but would not work. Maybe it hates Mandrake 8.2 :-)... ...Dani __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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Introduction
by Keith Watson 16 Apr '02

16 Apr '02

Just a quick hello from someone who's just joined. Backgound: Married 49 year old male (no kids) currently living in Norwich. I've been working with computers (mostly commercial software development plus some system admin. and support) for nearly all of my working life. Most of that has been with IBM mainframes and PC Windows networks of various kinds. I currently work at the Stalham office of an outfit called Kewill (www.kewill.com). My wife thinks I've totally lost it because I come home and relax by doing what I've been doing at work all day! I've had a home computer since the days of the good ol' BCC Micro. I was lucky enough to work on a Unix based system (Sun) about 10 years ago and ended up as the sys. admin. (oh! happy days! :o) ). I've been a Unix fan ever since. Reason for joining: After many years of saying "This year I'm going to install an Intel version of Unix on my PC" I finally got round to putting Mandrake 7.0 on early last year. I immediately started to try and customise it to suit my hardware and ran into all sorts of problems. I'm now in the midst of trying to install my own flavour of Linux from the Linux From Scratch project <http://www.linuxfromscratch.org> and having moderate success. I hope to learn enough from this to have a bit more success tailoring Linux for my own use. It would be nice to link up with other Linux afficianados in the area and swap war stories, experiences etc. and perhaps be able to help others out where possible. Regards, Keith Watson Email: mailto:kpwatson@luna.co.uk Web site: http://kpwatson.ontheweb.com ____________ The ways to the One are as many as the lives of men. Zen Saying ____________ This email and any files transmitted with it is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify your system manager. --- This e-mail message has been scanned for viruses and none have been detected. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.344 / Virus Database: 191 - Release Date: 02/04/2002

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XFree 4, Matrox G400 & graphics acceleration
by bsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 16 Apr '02

16 Apr '02

I have a Matrox Millenium G400 in my machine which is running Debian 'Testing' which means XFree 4.1.0 I believe. I notice that in the kernel configuration there is an AGP support option which is not enabled. If I enable this a number of other options become selectable none of which match my mainboard's chipset AMD 760MP. Further down the DRI option if enabled (which it currently isn't) then a Matrox G200/G400/G450 option becomes available. Do I need any of this? That is to say would it make normal graphics use any faster? I don't play games or use any particularly graphics intensive software. Any advice *may* make me less confused - but then again ... Barry Samuels

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how to make pdf files?
by jo＠yee-ha.demon.co.uk 16 Apr '02

16 Apr '02

Hello List, Anyone out there creating PDF files with Linux? If so, with what software? Basically I have a bunch of stuff to scan and convert into PDF and jpg files. Jpg is easy but I'm not so sure about PDF.... Thanks, Jo -- <>-- jo mitchell --------icq#104771112 ----------<> jo(a)yee-ha.demon.co.uk | http://futurshox.net Linux-powered! | mobile: +44 7974 219809 <>-----------------------------------------------<>

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SCA-2 to 68pin converters.
by Ricardo Campos 16 Apr '02

16 Apr '02

OK clever peeps, I'm tearing my hair out at the mo. I have an 80 pin LVD SCSI HD and a pci LVD SCSI card that has 68 pin and 50 pin interfaces. I have a 68pin terminated cable. I know you can get 80 pin to 68 pin converters, but it seems to have female connectors on both sides. Does this mean I'll need an 80 pin male-to-male connector? i.e. is it actually possible to put an 80 pin SCA-2 HD in a normal pc? -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] SCA-2 to 68pin converters.
by David Fairey 16 Apr '02

16 Apr '02

> OK clever peeps, I'm tearing my hair out at the mo. I have an 80 pin LVD SCSI HD and a pci LVD SCSI card that has 68 pin and 50 pin interfaces. I have a 68pin terminated cable. > > I know you can get 80 pin to 68 pin converters, but it seems to have female connectors on both sides. Does this mean I'll need an 80 pin male-to-male connector? > > i.e. is it actually possible to put an 80 pin SCA-2 HD in a normal pc? >From what I remember SCA-2 needs a single cable that has both the data and the power leads, which would normally be provided inside a hot-swap drive case. So not sure if there would be any suitable converters for attaching to 68pin cable. We always had to send them back to the supplier as the salesman who sold it didn't know the difference. David. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/2002

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Re: [Alug] Re: UEA meeting
by david casal 16 Apr '02

16 Apr '02

On Mon, 15 Apr 2002 mtm(a)sys.uea.ac.uk wrote: > Howabout the Graduate Students bar? Though it is independent of > the Students Union so you'd have to go directly to the grad bar > officers to make arrangements. Hi all. I'm having a bit of a hectic time at work etc. so I haven't got around to room bookings yet...promise to have it done by the end of the week, and I'll post findings to the list then. Will try to speak to grad bar people too. Cheers, David david casal --0+ --- d.casal(a)uea.ac.uk --9+ --- www.ariada.uea.ac.uk/~dcasal --)+

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Re: [Alug] Install day @ Syleham May 19th booked
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 16 Apr '02

16 Apr '02

>Ok. We need posters, and people to volunteer to poster places. A press >release, and people to fax them. Also, leaflets on nux for people >to pick up at Syleham? Poster progress: the guy I emailed at the LinuxInstallDay site sent me a message saying he had forwarded my request for a template poster to their poster guy who would get back to me. I'll fill in our info when it arrives and post it to the site somewhere when done, and people can print off as many as they feel inclined and stick them around UEA, newsagents, or whatever. Jen.

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Install day @ Syleham May 19th booked
by John Woodard 16 Apr '02

16 Apr '02

I have booked Syleham Village Hall for the install day on May 19th, someone has kindly already set up a page on our wiki http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?May%2019th more details to follow. Do we want the bar opened up? Since nobody has told me otherwise while I have been writing this post I'll take that as a yes then. :-) Let's really get this one promoted! -- Cheers, BJ

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Mail MTA and mySQL
by Simon 16 Apr '02

16 Apr '02

Hi everyone, Recommendation time...... I'm trying to find the best MTA to meet my requirements,and these are... 1. mySQL integration, alias, virtual users, security, authentication, local domains (maybe even the mailboxes themselves) 2. Easy administration, in relation to Sendmail, with web based admin as standard. 3. Spam controls. 4. AV integration.. I realise that there is a way to do this on just about every MTA, but I'm looking for one that can be recommended, ease of use, installation and configuration... The main thing is the mySQL integration, I've been looking at it with Sendmail and although it's possible, it looks a nightmare. and to top things off I've got to do this on a live system!!! BUT... I'm building a new server soon and want to get an action plan and application list together before I start (will also give me some time to RTFM).. tia Simon

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Re: [Alug] Lynn meeting?
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 16 Apr '02

16 Apr '02

>Keith Watson <kpwatson(a)luna.co.uk> wrote: >> As a newbie forgive me ignorance.. er.. Elmswell? >Wiki knows it: http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?Elmswell What happened to the list of people coming to the meeting we started in there? Myself and Ricardo were on it when I looked yesterday. Jen

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Re: [Alug] Mail MTA and mySQL
by Simon 16 Apr '02

16 Apr '02

Thanks Neill, Funnily enough I'm just looking at Exim... Simon On Tuesday 16 April 2002 10:20 am, Neill Newman wrote: > I don't know about web based admin, but I use Exim on several > installations, does everything you listed and is fairly easy and secure. > I also know several large financial sites here in the City that also use > it.. > > Sz > > Simon wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > Recommendation time...... > > > > > > I'm trying to find the best MTA to meet my requirements,and these are... > > > > 1. mySQL integration, alias, virtual users, security, authentication, > > local domains (maybe even the mailboxes themselves) > > 2. Easy administration, in relation to Sendmail, with web based admin as > > standard. > > 3. Spam controls. > > 4. AV integration..

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Re: [Alug] Lynn meeting?
by Keith Watson 16 Apr '02

16 Apr '02

Regards, As a newbie forgive me ignorance.. er.. Elmswell? Keith Email: mailto:kpwatson@luna.co.uk Web site: http://kpwatson.ontheweb.com ____________ CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamoured of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary ____________ This email and any files transmitted with it is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify your system manager. To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Alug] Lynn meeting? Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:47:15 GMT Dryden <Ddryden(a)cmp.col-westanglia.ac.uk> wrote: > Well when and where will it be in kings lynn? sorry i dont know if any of t= > his has been decided yet and was just wondering what was happening(if anyth= > ing)? No, I don't think so. I can't find a venue soon enough (hey, any luck asking the College?), so it's off to Elmswell again. If you want a lift from KL area, email me. Talking about venues, anyone back at UEA yet who can book us a room for June 9th, please? --- This e-mail message has been scanned for viruses and none have been detected. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.344 / Virus Database: 191 - Release Date: 02/04/2002

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RE: main digest, Vol 1 #249 - 5 msgs
by Keith Watson 15 Apr '02

15 Apr '02

-----Original Message----- --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Ashley" <ashley(a)ashleyhowes.com> To: "Steve Fosdick" <fozzy(a)pelvoux.demon.co.uk> Cc: <main(a)lists.alug.org.uk> Subject: Re: [Alug] M$ to release db based filesystem Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:30:27 +0100 > * Perhaps the market of people techically minded enough to buy a PC > with the known complexities and problems is exhausted and people are > looking for something simpler at home. From what I've seen, there appears to be a strong push from Apple and MS to change the computer from what we have used in the past to a "digital appliance". The ads for WinXP promote video editing, digital photography, etc. Apple promotes music applications, etc. Assuming Apple and MS are giving the general public what they want (otherwise why would they buy it?), the general public are not interested in how a computer works, as long as "it does what I want it to do!". Thus as long as the next version of Windows "works" for the general public, they won't care if it can't be programmed, whether they are paying by subscription, whether it is modular, etc. They will just accept it, because they don't know what they are missing out on. > With free software to do all of that business can buy a large number of PCs and > equip them with software without paying a penny to microsoft! This way of > working is becoming increasinly realistic now. In theory. In practise, I still think moving away from Microsoft is difficult and takes a brave person/group. In selling a product to someone (in this case Linux), you need to reduce the number of times you say no to your potential customer (in this case business users), e.g: Customer: Wow, free, what's the catch? Customer: Where can I get new applications? Customer: How do I get support? Customer: Who is my business relationship with? Customer: Who do I sue when the product can't deliver the expected functionality? Customer: How do I train my people to use this new software? The linux community appears to be answering some of the above questions, particularly for the "server" market. But still lacks in the desktop space, e.g: * How many training companies are offering courses now in using office suites for linux? * How many training companies show users how to use Mozilla for web browsing? For us technical people, the above two questions are mute issues. But remember, the average computer user (not nerd) is a technical idiot (this is not meant to be a putdown: they have other things which concern them more). Without getting some of this desktop support in place, the average users of the Linux desktop PC won't be able to use it correctly. Hence, this still makes it a difficult job for an IT manager to change the desktop over to free software. Firstly they have to justify the change with clear and concise answers (remember, some people view free items as having no value). Secondly, if an IT manager does change the business over to free desktop software, he/she does not want to carry the burden to retraining all the users who only have limited experiece of Word, Excel and Powerpoint. My 2 cents worth. Ashley I think Ashley hit the proverbial nail squarely here. Think of an avarage business and telephones. They don't want to know about the complexities of exchanges etc. they just want a phone on everyone's desk and a bunch of optional extras like call forwarding, voice-mail etc. It makes good commercial sense to pay some provider a monthly, quarterly or yearly rental rather than get into the hassle of a setting it all up in-house (although I know many do :o) ). How about satellite or cable TV? Why pay a monthly subscription for something you can (mostly :o) ) get for free as broadcast to air? Yet many people do. Presumably because they regard it as something they want and are prepared to pay for. I wouldn't be surprised if computing goes down this road. Think how attractive it would be for a company if they could just rent a bunch of Windows terminals that connected to their own private virtual network. They would presumably just pick the applications off some pre-configured shoping list and pay a monthly/quarterly/yearly charge. New person joining? just order a new terminal and plug it in. Need more disk space, just rent it. New release of software? overnight upgrade. Of course this doesn't mean all the old support problems go away (just one word (ok acronym! :o) ) - BT). But you dump the lot on someone else. You have someone outside the company to blame and hassle. You only have to read some of Scott Adam's Dilbert books to get an idea of how attractive this idea will be to many managers. Of course the big showstopper at present is the lack of any effective widely available broadband circuits, but that's just technology, it'll get there. The question is will these services all be MS based? For example BT doesn't have all the PBX business in the UK by a long chalk. There a quite a few smaller providers doing very well thank you. It wouldn't be too hard to imagine a bunch of knowledgeable people setting up a service based on open source technologies and being able to make a reasonable living, that is if the big guys like MS don't manage to stitch them up legally. bump!! oops - fell off my soapbox! :o) Regards, Keith Email: mailto:kpwatson@luna.co.uk Web site: http://kpwatson.ontheweb.com ____________ Those who know don't talk. Those who talk don't know. Lao-tzu ____________ This email and any files transmitted with it is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify your system manager. --- This e-mail message has been scanned for viruses and none have been detected. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.344 / Virus Database: 191 - Release Date: 02/04/2002

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Re: [Alug] Introduction
by Keith Watson 15 Apr '02

15 Apr '02

--__--__-- >Message: 8 >To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk >From: MJ Ray <markj(a)cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> >Subject: Re: [Alug] Introduction >Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:58:52 GMT >Laurie Brown <laurie(a)brownowl.com> wrote: >> [No, this isn't a troll, all you Debian fans!] >Ohhhhh yes it is! Not matter what the allegations of being obscure/oddly >configured by default, not having 24/7 telephone support hotlines or not >using "standard" (hah! v3/v4 split anyone?) RPMs, you can *NOT* be serious >in accusing Debian of slow security responses. security.debian.org is >normally right up there with the other good distributors and the automatic >service is second to none! woa!! I didn't mean to (re)start the distro wars!! :o) I suspect all of the various distros have their pros and cons, but the thing that attracts me to the open source idea is that you should be able to obtain enough background knowledge to get whatever you need (want?) from Linux. That's why LFS is so attractive to me at the moment. The main problem, I suspect, is where you want to get to and which distro (if any) is the best place to start from? ["Then, if I were you I wouldn't start from here." :o) ] Regards, Keith Email: mailto:kpwatson@luna.co.uk Web site: http://kpwatson.ontheweb.com ____________ CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamoured of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. Ambrose Bierce - The Devil's Dictionary ____________ This email and any files transmitted with it is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify your system manager. --- This e-mail message has been scanned for viruses and none have been detected. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.344 / Virus Database: 191 - Release Date: 02/04/2002

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opengl in mandrake8.1
by Dougie/Mum 15 Apr '02

15 Apr '02

Hi, I have a 64MB Geforce2 Pro graphics card and 256MB RAM with an AMD Athlon 1.2Ghz processor. OpenGL is superfast in Windows, but in Linux everything that uses it is very slow (Tuxracer 0.61 is less than 2fps, GLTron is rather slow when you are near a wall [15fps] and so is ArmageTron). My OS is Mandrake 8.1. Maybe it'll be better in 8.2... Anyway, does somebody know how to fix this? DougT dougie(a)retallackthompson.freeserve.co.uk

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Re: [Alug] opengl in mandrake8.1
by Ricardo Campos 15 Apr '02

15 Apr '02

> My OS is Mandrake 8.1. Maybe it'll be better in 8.2... I'm assuming you haven't installed the drivers yet (so it's working without hardware acceleration): http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?PAGE=LINUX http://www.linuxnewbie.org/nhf/intel/distros/mandrake/mdk_nvidia.html (skip to halfway down the linuxnewbie page). You know when you have installed the drivers, since you get an Nvidia splashscreen when you frst boot up, or if you restart the X server with a ctrl+alt+backspace. Enjoy! (I would add that many people have had no problems with these drivers, but I certainly have). Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: add user from file
by tom potts 15 Apr '02

15 Apr '02

I havent tried it in Linux but under some unix (AIX for certain) the adduser command is 'flushed' to help prevent this happening i.e. if you pipe into the command the whole stream is dumped before the username is prompted for so using scripts wont work! The reason for this is its an obvious security risk to allow people to create users from files easily. Like all bad security ideas you can get round this by pretending youre a modem! i.e. use an stream reading 'client' like chat as a 'buffer' that only sends the username/password/group etc when requested by the adduser program. Cheers Tom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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Re: [Alug] Meetings! next one Elmswell Sunday 21st April
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 15 Apr '02

15 Apr '02

>You had to click the question mark in the main page and type something in. >I just did so the page is now there for you to modify :) Oh yes, "How to Add Pages". I should have RTFM whilst I had the time ;-) I've started a small list in there, but can't put much in as i've never been to the venue: howwever, please add your names if you are coming and we'll build the list up. Can anyone bring a hub thing? Does anyone want to chat about mail systems? :-) I see I have been volunteered for a poster.........I've fired off an email to the main linux install fest folk asking if they have a custom built one. Jen.

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Re: [Alug] Meetings! next one Elmswell Sunday 21st April
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 15 Apr '02

15 Apr '02

Adam Bower wrote: >I just realised that we have a meeting next weekend at Elmswell, can >somebody either email me the venue info as i can't find it or edit the >Wiki so that the info is there? I tried to edit the wiki but when I got there didn't know how to do it. Best intentions though. If the [Elmswell] part is a link, how do you put in the page it links to, is what I got stuck on. Jen.

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Weekly IRC reminder
by Neill Newman 15 Apr '02

15 Apr '02

This is the automated ALUG IRC meeting reminder sent to remind you that there is an IRC meeting tonight (Monday) at 8.00pm. The meeting takes place on the irc server irc.openprojects.net in the #alug channel, you can take a look at www.openprojects.net to get more info on the openprojects network. Most IRC clients should allow you to get there with the commands "/server uk.openprojects.net" or "/server eu.openprojects.net" and "/join #alug". Popular IRC clients include tkirc, bitchx, xchat and EPIC on Unix, and Mirc under windows. Here are some links to help you get started with irc. Unix http://www.xchat.org/ http://freshmeat.net/ http://www.epicsol.org/ Windows http://www.mirc.com (loads of help with irc for newbies!)

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Re: [Alug] Help with a script :)
by David Freeman 15 Apr '02

15 Apr '02

On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Richard Kettlewell wrote: > Even better, define the file format to be equivalent to a shell script > containing appropriate useradd commands; that can create the directory > as well. Good Idea, didn't think of that one. > I rather suspect the point of the assignment was for the student to do > some creative work rather than getting a mailing list to help them > though. Yeah, but there is an eligant simplicity our ideas :o) D

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Help with a script :)
by CEPi 14 Apr '02

14 Apr '02

Greetings people, I need some help or suggestion for a script (actually for my girlfriend who is doing a degree in Comp. Sci in USA). She has a subject on Sys Admin. on Linux :) and on my last trip to USA I installed her a RedHat box at home since they use RH at Uni. , helped her a lot with some other exams on basic sys admin in Linux, inst. etc but I am nowhere with scripting. So here we go the assignment in full : 1. Write the AUFF (Add User From File) script. 2. This script should take a filename as a command line parameter. 3. This file should contain all of the "standard" options for the add user command. 4. You get to decide the format. 5. You get to document the script. 6. You get to write a "man" document supporting your script. 7. Submit a printout of the script, a test file, and your "man" document. 8. Implementing any advanced parsing features will earn you bonus points. (optional) Sorry for the long list and any help or suggestions greatly appreciated. I'm back to College now in Ipswich and again as always if someone needs some Linux ISO's and lacks a broadband conn. I am more then happy to burn some fresh ones for any user in the group (for free of course:). I will try to make some of our meetings as I do miss them :) thanks for your time and hope to see you all again later. Bamir.

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ADSL ethernet modems
by Chris Glover 14 Apr '02

14 Apr '02

Hi, Now that ClaraNet are offering an affordable "Wires-Only" ADSL package, I am thinking abou changing over to it. I'm getting fed up with a 56k modem download speed. I want to use my linux machine as a firewall/router, as I currently do with the modem. Themachine has two network cards in it. The first is a 100Mb Linksys card which has the private network. The second is a 10Mb NE2K-PCI card which is currently unused. I have been considering getting the Alcatel Speedtouch Home Ethernet ADSL modem. From reading the manual I beleive I can set it up so that my linux machine has the correct IP address for the outside world (using PPTP and PPP). I want the Linux machine to do the NATing, and not the ADSL modem. I do not want to use USB devices as they are too processor intensive, and I have had problems with USB on both Windows and Linux machines, I don't trust it as far as I could throw it. Has anybody had any experience with setting up Ethernet ADSL modems? Can you recommend any other devices than the one I've named? Many Thanks Chris Chris *************************************************************************** E Mail Chris(a)glovercc.clara.co.uk WWW http://www.glovercc.clara.co.uk ICQ 18054759 Someday, we'll look back on this, laugh nervously and change the subject. -Anon

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M$ to release db based filesystem
by Ricardo Campos 14 Apr '02

14 Apr '02

OK, I'm a bit slow on the uptake (I refer to this article: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/23852.html ) But doesn't this have rather strong implications for interoperability? BASICALLY, the article is about the next version of Windows and how M$ are said to be planning a filesystem that is basically one big database- effectively shipping out a copy of M$ SQL server with the OS. I guess that when you request some information, it will form a Transact-SQL (TM) query... Anyone have any thoughts on this? Another interesting article, btw is http://www.namesys.com/whitepaper.html Do you think it'll really make a big difference to Linux? Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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About Me
by DanI 14 Apr '02

14 Apr '02

Hi my name is Daniel Simpleman and I'm a Linux Newbie. I've recently became interested in Linux after speaking to Dennis Dryden who is also a member of this mailing list. I love to try out new stuff and linux is really nice for me and Im learning new things everyday.... ...Daniel Simpleman (Dani) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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Meetings! next one Elmswell Sunday 21st April
by Adam Bower 14 Apr '02

14 Apr '02

Hi all, I just realised that we have a meeting next weekend at Elmswell, can somebody either email me the venue info as i can't find it or edit the Wiki so that the info is there? Also does somebody want to spam^Hinform other linux groups in the area and do the newsgroup thang? Also is the UEA meeting confirmed yet for June? If so should we start trying to publicise it this week, I guess most print magazines will be past the submissions date for this (linux format etc.) but we can concentrate on the papers and local Radio etc. etc.... Thanks Adam -- Adam Bower "a funny thing about regret is, that it's better to regret something you have done, than to regret something you haven't done"

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Looking for a low-end Linux server
by Chris Allen 14 Apr '02

14 Apr '02

I'm looking for a low-end linux box - preferably rack-mount to act as a secondary disk mirror for a large web site. Spec should be: - 512MB RAM - 750MHZ - 1GHz - processor not too important - at least 400-500GB hard disk space Does anybody have any idea where I can buy such a beast? I'm happy to do the linux install myself, as long as the box is linux-capable. Many thanks...

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Re: [Alug] Looking for a low-end Linux server
by Chris Allen 14 Apr '02

14 Apr '02

On Fri, Apr 12, 2002 at 04:30:11PM +0100, Ashley wrote: > > - 512MB RAM > > - 750MHZ - 1GHz - processor not too important > > - at least 400-500GB hard disk space > > Wow, if that spec is low end (especially HD space), I am curious as to what > you define as high end. > I would consider a multiprocessor Sun Enterprise Server with disk space in the TB and several GB of RAM to be high end - at least for a single web server. Even this would struggle with the traffic that most large sites get today - particularly if the site application designers don't understand how web servers work, which seems to be too often the case.

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Re: [Alug] Looking for a low-end Linux server
by Ricardo Campos 13 Apr '02

13 Apr '02

> - 512MB RAM > - 750MHZ - 1GHz - processor not too important > - at least 400-500GB hard disk space You can buy Dell servers with Dead Rat pre-installed, so I guess they're linux compatable! Their maximum storage (internal) is only 365GB of U160 SCSI (10k rpm). But the cost- for that kinda spec you're talking 4K minimum. http://www.euro.dell.com/countries/uk/enu/pad/products/series_appli_servers… I'd be interested in where you *could* get such a beast too! Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] M$ to release db based filesystem
by Paul 13 Apr '02

13 Apr '02

On Saturday 13 April 2002 10:30, Ashley wrote: > Customer: Wow, free, what's the catch? The cost of ownership is now with you. > Customer: Where can I get new applications? You write your own, subcontract to a third party, or download from the internet. > Customer: How do I get support?

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To do list for ALUG's Linux Install Days 2002
by Ashley 13 Apr '02

13 Apr '02

I have added a new section to the Wiki on ALUG's website to help coordinate effort in planning for ALUG's participation in Linux Install Day 2002. The to do list can be found at: http://www.alug.org.uk/contrib/?LinuxInstallDay2002 Please assist ALUG by reviewing the list and helping in any way you can. This is for a good cause and should help both Linux and ALUG to grow. -- Ashley T. Howes, Ph.D. http://www.ashleyhowes.com "when all the animals of this world are gone, man will die of loneliness"

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A KDE2 mystery
by bsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 13 Apr '02

13 Apr '02

After upgrading Debian Potato/KDE1 to Debian Testing/KDE2 an icon on the KDE desktop which should run Word Perfect now doesn't. I have seen in the .xsession-errors file a line which says: cannot find path to /usr/local/WordPerfect/wpbin/xwp This used to work under KDE1 but the mystery is that if I copy the command line from the icon properties and paste it into a shell window Word Perfect runs without problems. If I enable the icon property 'Run in terminal' then it will run. Can anyone explain this please? Barry Samuels

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