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Anglian Developer Network?
by Paul Grenyer 02 Jun '10

02 Jun '10

Hi All I'm a software engineer at Validus on Princes Street in Norwich and have been an active member of the ACCU (www.accu.org) for nearly 10 years. While I was working for Lehmans at Canary Wharf I helped set up the London ACCU chapter. It continues to run monthly development related events, which usually take the form or a 60min presentation by a speaker. I think there are about 5 ACCU members in Norwich, which isn't really enough to setup a local chapter, but there are plenty of software companies (validus, virgin money, virgin wines, aviva, etc). So the reason I'm emailing you guys is to see if there's an appetite for doing something similar in Norwich..? Maybe quarterly to begin with. What do you think? How many here are developers? Thanks Paul

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Why are lookups so slow?
by Chris Walker 01 Jun '10

01 Jun '10

My machine is a dual-boot i7 machine running on one side Windows 7 and here, Mandriva 2010 (64 bit). I've complained to my phone provider in the past about things slowing down after a period of a few hours so they changed the router. I now have a Huawei HG520b instead of the D-Link I had previously. I'd done a factory reset on that before swapping it out but then the new router arrived so I stuffed that in its place without testing the reset. With the Huawei, Windows will do lookups fine but Mandriva takes ages for everything, web searches, mail and so on. Sending this message sat there for ages doing a lookup for the smtp address before I cancelled it to add this. I *think* I've got both sides, Windows 7 and Mandriva, setup the same with DHCP for both IP address and DNS servers but is there anything I can try before I rip the Huawei out and put back the D-Link? TIA. -- __ __| |_ __ __ .----------------------------------------------. / _/ _` \ V V / | mailto:cdw_alug@the-walker-household.co.uk | \__\__,_|\_/\_/ |______________________________________________|

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Re: [ALUG] PowerPC Linux
by Simon Royal 31 May '10

31 May '10

Hi Also, the burning problem with unsupported drives was generally only with iApps and Finder. Third party apps like Toast never had a problem. Simon -- http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal - http://www.tinyurl.com/macspectrum (sent using Sony Ericsson P990i)

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Re: [ALUG] PowerPC Linux
by Simon Royal 31 May '10

31 May '10

Hi You dont need a specific firmware or drive to burn in OSX. You used to in early versions of OSX, but havent come across it is Tiger and upwards. You also used to have troubles booting from a non-Apple drive but even that is pretty obsolete these days. Simon -- http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal - http://www.tinyurl.com/macspectrum (sent using Sony Ericsson P990i)

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how to do this? networking two interfaces?
by Peter Alcibiades 31 May '10

31 May '10

I have a case with two wired devices with network connections. Downstairs, we have a computer which is connected to an ADSL router via cable. Then, upstairs, there is going to be a networked printer. The problem is, running the network cable to connect this printer from upstairs into the router is not decoratively acceptable. Its an old house. So I have bought one of those little wireless usb adaptors, and we happen to have an old wireless cable router lying around. The idea would be, wire the printer into the wireless router upstairs, then talk to the wireless router over wireless from the usb adaptor in the computer downstairs. This would be two network connections from the same computer, one wired, the other wireless, with the wireless one going only to the printer, and the wired one going to the ADSL router for Internet access. This must be possible, you would think, but how do you set it up? I had intended to use homeplug, ethernet over mains, but the problem is that the two parts of this particular house are on different mains supplies with separate meters. Its an old house. Also, I can't move the ADSL router upstairs, because there are no phone sockets upstairs. They use cordless phones. So assuming its possible, the simplest would be wireless to the printer only. So this would be using eth0 for Internet access, and eth1 for printing only. Can you do this, and if so how? Peter

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PowerPC Linux
by Simon Royal 31 May '10

31 May '10

Hi Does anyone have any experience with Linux on PowerPC Macs. Im a long term Mac user and have an iBook G3 which might not be the fastest machine in the world - a 500Mhz G3 with 640MB RAM, but compared to my ThinkPad which is a 300Mhz P2 with 296MB RAM it is a speed demon. I know officially Ubuntu stopped PPC ports in version 7, but community ports are still going strong. There is a PowerPC version of 10.04 although I havent tried it yet. I did try version 5 a while ago and it was pretty good. I also know there is no official support for Flash - although some claim to have it working and a lot of software that is for Ubuntu will only work with x86 devices and not PPC. PowerPC Linux is very thin on the ground, Ubuntu and Xubuntu seemingly the biggest two. Yellow Dog is another and there might be a Suse or Mandriva if I remember correctly. Is it worth pursuing? Is PPC Linux any good? Or should I ditch my iBook and my ThinkPad and get faster P2 or P3 machine. In the mean time I am going to try Ubuntu 10.04 for PowerPC on my iBook. Any help and advice would be appreciated. Simon Simon Royal --- Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal - LowEndMac: http://tinyurl.com/macspectrum - Skype: Simon-Royal. --- IBM ThinkPad 600 running Ubuntu 10.04 & Apple iBook G3 running OSX 10.4. _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/ We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now

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Mint Linux
by Simon Royal 29 May '10

29 May '10

Hi I am quite liking Xubuntu at the mo, but I do have a habit of flitting from distro to distro. Ive been looking at Mint Linux and it looks great, a streamlined and polished Ubuntu. Is it just a fancy looking Ubuntu? Is it a cut down or lightweight version? Would it run better than Xubuntu? Simon --- http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal - http://www.tinyurl.com/macspectrum (sent using Sony Ericsson P990i)

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Alphabetical sorting in EN-UTF8
by Ted.Harding＠manchester.ac.uk 28 May '10

28 May '10

Hi Folks, I have encountered a weirdness in alphabetical sorting. It originally popped up in an application, but experiment reveals that it arises from the Linux UTF8 collation system. First, check whether this may interest you by executing locale from the command line. If you see in the output: LC_COLLATE="en_GB.UTF-8" or similar, then read on. When I run the following commands (which you can mouse-copy into a concole for yourself) I get the results shown in the lines starting with "#" (you can copy these in too -- they will be ignored): sort << EOT "AACD" "A CD" EOT # "AACD" # "A CD" sort << EOT "ABCD" "A CD" EOT # "ABCD" # "A CD" sort << EOT "ACCD" "A CD" EOT # "ACCD" # "A CD" sort << EOT "ADCD" "A CD" EOT # "A CD" # "ADCD" >From the above, it would seem that in en_GB.UTF-8 the SPACE character " " is sorted to a position betwee "C" and "D", since "AACD", "ABCD" and "ACCD" all sort prior to "A CD", while "A CD" sorts prior to "ADCD"! That strikes me as completely nuts! I would welcome any comment about it. I have tried to track down where this is done, and to locate on my system (Debian Lenny, also occurs on earlier Debian Etch) any system file which defines the sort order (i.e. collation order) of the standard ASCII (and other) characters. All help and/or insight much appreciated! Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)manchester.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 28-May-10 Time: 20:57:48 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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PowerPC Linux
by Simon Royal 28 May '10

28 May '10

Hi Does anyone have any experience with Linux on PowerPC Macs. Im a long term Mac user and have an iBook G3 which might not be the fastest machine in the world - a 500Mhz G3 with 640MB RAM, but compared to my ThinkPad which is a 300Mhz P2 with 296MB RAM it is a speed demon. I know officially Ubuntu stopped PPC ports in version 7, but community ports are still going strong. There is a PowerPC version of 10.04 although I havent tried it yet. I did try version 5 a while ago and it was pretty good. I also know there is no official support for Flash - although some claim to have it working and a lot of software that is for Ubuntu will only work with x86 devices and not PPC. PowerPC Linux is very thin on the ground, Ubuntu and Xubuntu seemingly the biggest two. Yellow Dog is another and there might be a Suse or Mandriva if I remember correctly. Is it worth pursuing? Is PPC Linux any good? Or should I ditch my iBook and my ThinkPad and get faster P2 or P3 machine. In the mean time I am going to try Ubuntu 10.04 for PowerPC on my iBook. Any help and advice would be appreciated. Simon --- Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal - LowEndMac: http://tinyurl.com/macspectrum - Skype: Simon-Royal. --- IBM ThinkPad 600 running Ubuntu 10.04 & Apple iBook G3 running OSX 10.4. _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/ Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? Tell us now

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Re: [ALUG] Ubuntu Alternative Fails
by Simon Royal 28 May '10

28 May '10

James Well a retry of 10.04 worked. I went out and when I got back it was asking about grub. i set it, rebooted and is working fine. Havent tested it thoroughly but it seems fairly nippy. Simon --- http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal - http://www.tinyurl.com/macspectrum (sent using Sony Ericsson P990i)

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Xubuntu Menu Bar Still Missing
by Simon Royal 27 May '10

27 May '10

Hi I am running Xubuntu and the other night the menu bar at the top and bottom disappeared. I can get them to return via typing 'xfce4-panel' into terminal. After pressing enter, typing 'disown' is supposed to make it stay there when you close terminal which is did last night. However, on reboot it was missing again and now I cannot get the 'disown' thing to work so whenever I close terminal both the bars disappear again. I've got 39 updates waiting to be installed, so I will install them and see if that resolves the problem. Can anyone think of how to resolve this if these updates don't make any difference. Someone suggested right clicking on the area, but it does nothing except bring the contextual menu up, the same as anywhere else on the desktop. Simon Royal --- Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal - LowEndMac: http://tinyurl.com/macspectrum - Skype: Simon-Royal. --- IBM ThinkPad 600 running Xubuntu 10.04 & Apple iBook G3 running OSX 10.4. _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/ Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? Tell us now

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Xubuntu Menu Bar Disappeared
by Simon Royal 26 May '10

26 May '10

Hi Suddenly today the menu bar at the top of the screen has disappeared. I have tried a reboot and nothing has made any difference. Xubuntu 10.04. Any ideas? Simon Royal --- Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal - LowEndMac: http://tinyurl.com/macspectrum - Skype: Simon-Royal. --- IBM ThinkPad 600 running Xubuntu 10.04 & Apple iBook G3 running OSX 10.4. _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/ Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? Tell us now

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Re (passim) booting Eee from USB
by Anthony Anson 26 May '10

26 May '10

AFAICS, you can't - well, not this early model anyway. he trader who sold me the Acer tried to get one to boot from DVD via USB last week, and he couldn't, either. I wonder - if I put Grub on the HDD, whether, having fired-up, it might then boot from USB? Does one need an actual distro on the same drive as Grub? If so, would Tom's suffice? Compared with the Acer, the Eee's such a handy size and weight, though the battery's a bit weedy for (say) a train journey to Manchester. Copes with oe to Farnborough (Hants) OK. -- Tony Anson www.girolle.co.uk/

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Old machines
by Steve Engledow 26 May '10

26 May '10

Mornin' all, While I'm on a spate of posting things to the list, I have quite a lot of computer parts laying dormant in my spare room and should probably get rid of them. So does anybody need a load of spare parts (I can compile a list if anyone cares that much) or a low-spec PC? I think I've got enough parts to build 3 complete machines apart from cases (I've only got one of those spare). Cheers, Steve --- There are 11 kinds of people in this world, but you'll have to work it out for yourself.

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Re: [ALUG] OT Trinary WAS:Movie Editing
by James Bensley 26 May '10

26 May '10

On 26 May 2010 10:31, Steve Engledow <steve(a)offend.me.uk> wrote: > Sorry, forgot to hit list-reply. *facepalm* And again, double face palm! http://brotch.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/double-facepalm.jpg And no it shouldn't be that, it should be what ever I want it to be ;) -- Regards, James. http://www.jamesbensley.co.cc/ - There are only 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand trinary, those who don't understand trinary and those who don't understand trinary.

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Movie Editing
by Wayne Stallwood 26 May '10

26 May '10

I just bought myself a SSD based video camera (Sanyo VPC-CG10EBK) This writes out video as H.264 / AVC with mpeg-4 AAC audio What are my best options for basic editing, adding filters, transitions, effects and re-encoding to different formats. Also is there any suitable way of doing framerate conversion to make this compatible with DVD players etc (it defaults to either 30 or 60fps depending on resolution) Previously I have used kino to reasonable effect with raw DV and it seems to fail to import the audio and then plays back at about 20x speed. Are there other solutions people out there have used for this type of file ? Aviddemux-gtk seems to work but feels clunky and limited in operation compared to kino.

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Pan
by Anthony Anson 25 May '10

25 May '10

On recommendation (ALUG Passim), went looking for Pan and found quite a lot of sites. It seems that it's written for Gnome, which is fine on the Acer as I use Gnome on that, but this Eee is under the thrall of KDE. Any reason why Pan can't be accessed from that? TAAAW, it's listed as a newsreader. Does it do mail a) at all? b) well? Any outstandingly important reason why it is recommended that I should correct any errors on 'my PC' before downloading? Oh, and a totally wild and OT shot in the dark - anyone on the list interested in target shooting? -- Tony Anson www.girolle.co.uk/

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Bashed...
by Anthony Anson 24 May '10

24 May '10

Tired of three-stage shutdown in Tellytubbies Eee, I opened a terminal and tried: shutdown -h now Ripost was: Bash: shutdown: command not found (Original command taken from The One Page Linux Manual) To save me lots of GPRS-wasted time, does anyone know what the magic words are, pretty please? -- Tony Anson www.girolle.co.uk/

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Thunderbird colours in Ubuntu 10.04
by Mark Rogers 24 May '10

24 May '10

I've just upgraded to U10.04 using the default (I think) Radiance theme. I'm slowly getting used to the new min/max/close icon positions. However, in ThunderBird, the folder listing used to show folders in three different styles: bold black for folders with unread email in them, bold blue for folders with *new* unread email in them, and black (not bold) otherwise. Now, in U10.04, the folders with new unread email are still bold but now in a light grey colour, making them far less prominent than the other two folder states despite being the most important. (a) Is this just me? It could be something I've tweaked in the past and need to un-tweak (b) Any idea how to change this? -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0844 251 1450 Registered in England (0456 0902) @ 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG

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Virtual Box Query
by Mark Jonathan Myatt 23 May '10

23 May '10

Hello all - I have been running Fedora Core 12 for the last few months having previously been using Core 11. I am now wishing to have the use of a virtual box to run an existing MS Family Tree package on Windows 2000 professional. I have been unable to find a comparable Linux product. Whilst I have been using Linux for a number of years now I remain uncomfortable using Bash although I have some successes. So for the purposes of this enquiry please treat me as a 'terminal' user. I have been unable to complete the loading of the virtual product provided by Oracle: "Oracle VM Virtual Box 3.2.0.r61806". Although the software has been loaded correctly as well as Windows 2000 when trying to start it the following error message appears: "Kernel driver not installed (rc=-1908) The VirtualBox Linux kernel driver (vboxdrv) is either not loaded or there is a permission problem with /dev/vboxdrv. Please reinstall the kernel module by executing '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup' as root. Users of Ubuntu, Fedora or Mandriva should install the DKMS package first. This package keeps track of Linux kernel changes and recompiles the vboxdrv kernel module if necessary." I confirm DKMS and GCC have already been installed. When I do as instructed above the following error message appears: "[Mark@Mark ~]$ su Password: [root@Mark Mark]# /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup Stopping VirtualBox kernel module [ OK ] Recompiling VirtualBox kernel module [FAILED] (Look at /var/log/vbox-install.log to find out what went wrong) [root@Mark Mark]# " When I look at /var/log/vbox-install.log I get the following response: "[root@Mark Mark]# /var/log/vbox-install.log bash: /var/log/vbox-install.log: Permission denied [root@Mark Mark]# " The when I look at Var/log etc to see what can be done the following message appears: "Attempting to install using DKMS removing old DKMS module vboxdrv version 3.2.0 ------------------------------ Deleting module version: 3.2.0 completely from the DKMS tree. ------------------------------ Done. Creating symlink /var/lib/dkms/vboxdrv/3.2.0/source -> /usr/src/vboxdrv-3.2.0 DKMS: add Completed. Error! Your kernel source for kernel 2.6.32.12-115.fc12.i686.PAE cannot be found at /lib/modules/2.6.32.12-115.fc12.i686.PAE/build or /lib/modules/2.6.32.12-115.fc12.i686.PAE/source. You can use the --kernelsourcedir option to tell DKMS where it's located. Failed to install using DKMS, attempting to install without Makefile:159: *** Error: unable to find the sources of your current Linux kernel. Specify KERN_DIR=<directory> and run Make again. Stop." It is at this point I am now lost ! I don't fully understand the question. Any help on this will be gratefully received. One other query while I am writing; as follows: I have been trying to regularise the setup of my two HP printers. When using bash using the command hp-setup I get the following error messages:- "HP Linux Imaging and Printing System (ver. 3.10.2) Printer/Fax Setup Utility ver. 9.0 Copyright (c) 2001-9 Hewlett-Packard Development Company, LP This software comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. This is free software, and you are welcome to distribute it under certain conditions. See COPYING file for more details. QGtkStyle was unable to detect the current GTK+ theme. Qt: Session management error: None of the authentication protocols specified are supported (process:8072): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_style_get: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed (process:8072): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_style_get: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed (process:8072): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_style_get: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed (process:8072): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_style_get: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed". Help towards sorting this out will be much appreciated Mark Myatt (Saxmundham)

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Random Lock-ups of my Ubuntu Box?
by James Bensley 22 May '10

22 May '10

Hey List, I have an Ubuntu 9.10 box on which I recently created a software RAID6; you can see what it looks like in rather good detail if I may say so my self ;) here: http://i48.tinypic.com/30jrbdl.jpg After this set up was all done I shut the machine down for the night. Now when I boot the machine up to start using the array it wants to run the file system check utility, fsck I believe (like it normally does, every N days or N mounts, "which ever comes first"). This is fine, I assume it wants to do this because its a new volume and I like to know everything is working fine so I would always let this run on any of my machines but on this machine, it gets to the desk top, I can see the process is running via top or the process monitor, but within 1 minute of being on the desk top the machine will locks up and is unrecoverable so I am forced to turn it off? This happens every time, so ever since a week ago when I first made this RAID array, I haven't actually used the damn thing yet! I can't understand why this would be; I thought it may have been the power supply as it is only 250 watts but I have the machine connected to a watt meter and I added the drives one at a time watching the watts increase, we are only at 140 Watts? I had thought that maybe it was to many devices on one single power cable coming out of the power supply as I have had to use splitters on the power cables so I swapped the power supply out temporarily for one in another machine that is rated for 500 watts and had more power cables coming out of it but no...I also stood another machine next to it, turn them on at the same time and used the 2nd machines power connectors to power some of the drives so the power was shared between the two PSUs, but no it still locked up Next I thought it was the south bridge being over run but surely it wouldn't of been able to sit there for 20 hours building the RAID and formatting it? Is it possible that the building of the RAID wasn't very intense and now its all set up, when it tries to boot to the desktop and run fsck this is now making the drives work hard and so that only now the systems weakness is showing? (I did try increasing the south bridge voltage but the options in the CMOS are very limited and so I think there was a difference, it stayed on the desktop for 2 minutes before locking up instead of 1, but I can't remember, this would need validating). I would love to hear anyone's thoughts on how I can get this working again? P.s. sorry for the length! -- Regards, James. http://www.jamesbensley.co.cc/ - There are only 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand trinary, those who don't understand trinary and those who don't understand trinary.

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time for an upgrade
by nev young 22 May '10

22 May '10

Hi, So I've been running kubuntu 8.04 (i386) for a couple of years now on my main PC and I'm seriously thinking of loading up ubuntu 10.04. Mainly because both laptops run ubuntu (one 10.04 and one 9.10) and the differences between gnome and kde keep catching us (me & the missus) out. I'm thinking of using the 64 bit version of 10.04 to get more out of the machine[1] but can not decide whether to load ubuntu server and load the destop bits or load ubuntu desktop and load the web and file server bits. Any advice or suggestions over and above my current plan of split the root partition[2] into 3 and have a triple boot to try each in turn. -- Nev [1] AMD AthlonX2 64bit dual core @ 2.2GHz [2] 135GB free, 9% used.

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Re: [ALUG] ALUG meeting lift?
by Anthony Anson 20 May '10

20 May '10

Srdjan Todorovic wrote: > On 20 May 2010 17:03, Anthony Anson <tony.anson(a)girolle.co.uk> wrote: >> Srdjan Todorovic wrote: >>> Have you managed to find someone that can give you a lift? >> Unfortunately, no. >> >> It's a bit late now, as my bus to Norwich leaves at around 9.50 am. >> >> It'll have to be next time now. >> >> (Besides, I spent a bit more than I ought to have done on homebrew kit and >> ingredients yesterday...) > > Ah. It's just that I will probably be leaving for Norwich soonish > (maybe - possibly having food in a different pub with some other ALUG > people before main pubmeet), and I am based in Wymondham. Next month might be a better bet, I think, if the offer is still open, and if I haven't got the motorcycle on the road by then. (Have to renew my licence too, as I've reached a 'landmark' bidet.) > I usually leave the pub at about 10:45 pm ish... so might have been > able to give you a lift back. Only problem is I have no idea where you > live... The Wymondham end of Bunwell... > If some fuel money was on the table (a fiver?) then I could perhaps > give you a lift if you are not going to stay past sort of 10:50pm ish. > > Otherwise, not sure anyone else is going past your area.... Looking in my wallet, there's a big hole there with about fifteen quid unspoken for, cowering in the corner. This has to last me until Monday. OK, if in Norwich I could raid the hole in the wall, but it is getting a little late in the day for tidying everything away into the workshop, cleaning-up and finding a presentable change of clobber. Been power-sawing logs... -- Tony Anson www.girolle.co.uk/

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Mystery!
by Ted.Harding＠manchester.ac.uk 20 May '10

20 May '10

Sorry to be completely off-topic, but there's quite a few of you who are savvy in rare areas; plus, you're local! Scenario: At times during the last few days I've seen a low-slung white car/van driving around. It has "Anglian WILLHIRE" on the sides. On the roof is mounted a blackish flat plate, about 15in x 9in in size and angled so that it is elevated about 45deg above the horizontal and facing forward. Perpendicular to this plate (therefore pointing upwards at about 45deg to the vertical) is an array of rods, which seem to be about 3in long and about 1/2in (or a bit smaller) in diameter. I couldn't count exactly, but I'd say it looks like a 4x6 array. (All quantities in this description are approximate!) I first saw this vehicle driving over the farmer's field opposite my house last week, some yards in from the edge and driving parallel to the edge. It was actually driving on the earth of the field, not on any track. I've subsequently seen it 3 times, driving along the road (a) between my house and the fields, (b) coming back over the bridge to the NorthEast over the Little Ouse river. See at postcode CB7 4TG on google maps for topographical reference (The "A" pointer you will get is close to the point from which I first observed it). Clearly this is monitoring something, but I cannot imagine what. What would the little rods on the plate be for? Any ideas? With thanks, and apologies once again for going OT! Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding(a)manchester.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 19-May-10 Time: 11:09:34 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------

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[ALUG Announce] Norwich Meeting Thursday 20th May @ Coachmakers, Thorpe Road.
by Steve Pearce 19 May '10

19 May '10

ALUG Announce Please send announcements to Announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce ----- Due to last week's football madness, the second Thursday monthly meeting for Norwich was cancelled. Several regulars have confirmed they will be getting together this Thursday to make up for it. The meeting will be held at the usual venue from 8pm: The Coach and Horses 82 Thorpe Road Norwich Norfolk NR1 1BA Website: http://www.thecoachthorperoad.co.uk/ Hope to see you there! Steve ----- Send discussion replies to main(a)lists.alug.org.uk (Reply-To set) Unsub, change settings via http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce

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