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Re: [Alug] How to find people with Linux skills
by Adam Bower 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

>1. All adverts should go to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk, subject to some >submission criteria: > - plain text only > - signature <4 lines > - strongly encouraged to put supporting material at a URL > - max one per batch sounds good to me, what are other peoples thoughts on adverts on Alug?? the current state of play is in the FAQ I felt when writing it there was a fair balance, of course if it is abused then people would loose posting rights. >2. No adverts are permitted on main@, as they'll get the announce batches >anyway. No adverts on social@, as at present. also sounds good. >3. Complaints about ads to <listname>-admin@ in the first instance. I'm >sure Martyn has suitably big boots if required. Also correct, all complaints should go to the list admins rather than private mail as I have heard that people have flamed others in private for things that are covered in the FAQ. >If there are no objections in a day or two, can the FAQ be updated (Adam, >do >you need me to do the actual CVS changes... email me if so) and I'll >implement the changed policy, updating various messages to reflect it. Ermmm, looks like I will need someone to do the FAQ update for me as I don't have CVS checkout capabilities, as I still don't have a permanent home address or net connection and I can only use a http proxy to get to the outside world at the moment (hence snotmail, and unfortunatly I also need a .net login for M$ support now so at times like this....)anyhow I hope to sort out a permanent place to live soon and will soon have a linux NAT firewall in place at work so should be able to "do" internet things soon, unless I find somewhere else to get proper net access from in the next couple of days. Adam Bower _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: [Alug] How to find people with Linux skills
by MJ Ray 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

AJS proposed: > Either way. Job postings to ALUG lists: good. Massive commercial blurb in > said postings: bad. This thread: should be dead ;-) I propose: 1. All adverts should go to announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk, subject to some submission criteria: - plain text only - signature <4 lines - strongly encouraged to put supporting material at a URL - max one per batch 2. No adverts are permitted on main@, as they'll get the announce batches anyway. No adverts on social@, as at present. 3. Complaints about ads to <listname>-admin@ in the first instance. I'm sure Martyn has suitably big boots if required. If there are no objections in a day or two, can the FAQ be updated (Adam, do you need me to do the actual CVS changes... email me if so) and I'll implement the changed policy, updating various messages to reflect it. -- MJR

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RE: [Alug] How to find people with Linux skills
by Gavin Smith 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

It seems as though my messages aren't getting through so I'll try again. In defence of the comments about Best. Yes we are members of ATSCO (as are agencies that total about 45% of the total UK marketplace) but we don't support IR35 in any way. In fact we are one of only a handful of companies that are able to provide a project based contract that as far it can be is "IR35 proof". It amazes me that the government seem to have managed to get contractors and agents fighting each other when we should be working together. Gavin > -----Original Message----- > From: MJ Ray [SMTP:markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: 28 November 2001 11:15 > To: laurie(a)brownowl.com > Cc: Gavin Smith; ALUG List > Subject: Re: [Alug] How to find people with Linux skills > > Laurie wrote: > > You may (perhaps fairly) think it's a bit harsh, but this is at least > > the third time he's done this, and I've asked him to stop twice (which > > he both failed to acknowledge, and ignored). Especially given its > > precedents, it *is* spam, however relevant it may be to any particular > > reader. > > Laurie, this email was more of a grey area than previous messages, not > being > a "we've got this job" but a "where should we advertise". Of course, you > could still count it as sneaky advertising, as most of the email is > occupied > by their contact details in a non-signature footer, but it can't really be > classed as "spam"/UCE. However, what we saw was you stomping in there > with > the big boots on and threatening them on-list for what appeared an > innocent > message. No explanation of why you classed it as spam was given. > > Please, everyone, if you suspect something of being spam, please contact > the > three of us at main-admin(a)lists.alug.org.uk and *we'll* get the big boots > on. If you dislike our decision, *then* you can post to the list bitching > about our decision and we'll back down if your opinion is the majority > one. > > I'm inclined to accept job adverts etc into announce(a)lists.alug.org.uk, > mainly through the absence of any other material. Would people agree to > that, as long as tough guidelines (eg no sigs, under a certain length, > once > per issue max) were set? > > > Further, Best International are members of ATSCO, and as any > > member of the PCG knows, not only supporters of IR35, but as members > > of ATSCO, they are acting in the worst interests of contractors (qv. > > statements from the ATSCO chairman passim). A cruise through the > > private fora in the PCG will show that Best are in fact misnamed... > > Consequently, I am unable to find any room for compromise. > > Now this *is* interesting. I also dislike ATSCO because of their handling > of this (even if I think that I broadly agree with the spirit (but not the > letter) of IR35) and I think the only honourable thing for any member to > do > is to either resign or go on record with an open letter objecting to their > handling of the affair. > -- > MJR > Anglian LUG http://www.alug.org.uk/ > No ePatents http://petition.eurolinux.org/ > FSF Europe http://www.fsfeurope.org/ **************************************************************************************** Official winners of the UK IT Recruitment Service of the Year Computing Awards for Excellence 2000 Official winners of the Network Recruitment Consultancy of the Year Networking Industry Awards 2001 Best International Group Plc Registered in England No. 3246014 London (Head Office) +44 (0)20 7300 9000 Bristol +44 (0)117 945 9000 Birmingham +44 (0)121 335 9000 Manchester +44 (0)161 942 9000 Scotland +44 (0)131 524 9000 This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any representations (contractual or otherwise), views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Best International Group, or any of its group companies. If you are not the intended recipient be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. ****************************************************************************************

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RE: [Alug] How to find people with Linux skills
by Gavin Smith 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

> <snip> >> A cruise through the >> > private fora in the PCG will show that Best are in fact misnamed... >> > Consequently, I am unable to find any room for compromise. > </snip> Apologies for the .sig, it gets attached somewhere down the line (and fortunately isn't there if I reply to someone) and I keep forgetting about it. Interestingly CF are also a member of ATSCO. Try http://www.pcgroup.org.uk for the website. I'm always interested to hear what people think of agencies, just please try to keep the four letter words out of it. What is the general concensus of opinion? Anyone have any good experiences? Unforutnately it's usually the vocal minority who post negative comments (you need to bear in mind that we have 1000+ contractors working through us). Gavin **************************************************************************************** Official winners of the UK IT Recruitment Service of the Year Computing Awards for Excellence 2000 Official winners of the Network Recruitment Consultancy of the Year Networking Industry Awards 2001 Best International Group Plc Registered in England No. 3246014 London (Head Office) +44 (0)20 7300 9000 Bristol +44 (0)117 945 9000 Birmingham +44 (0)121 335 9000 Manchester +44 (0)161 942 9000 Scotland +44 (0)131 524 9000 This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any representations (contractual or otherwise), views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Best International Group, or any of its group companies. If you are not the intended recipient be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. ****************************************************************************************

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wu-ftpd security fix
by James 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

Another wu-ftpd overflow security fix! Advisory is dated 20th Nov, mirror filedates are 26th http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/RHSA-2001-157.html Probably a good idea to let people know, as it _is_ on update mirrors. I suppose some folk may still be using wu-ftpd No RHSA email, as per usual. LWN haven't caught on yet. Didn't spot this until I did a routine lookup this morning. --James

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More ALUG server maintenance!
by Martyn Drake 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

Hi folks, Just a brief note to say that all ALUG mailing lists will be unavailable between 11am and 12pm on Monday 3rd of December to perform yet another upgrade of Mailman. This will take us from 2.0.7 to 2.0.8 and fix a few more security holes as well as fixing a few bugs. Regards, Martyn

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Re: [Alug] How to find people with Linux skills
by Adam Bower 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

>I need to recruit software engineers with Linux skills for a client in East >Anglia. > >I've tried all the more obvious solutions, jobserve, jobsite etc. > >Where would you go to look for a new job (any suggestions greatfully >received). Argghhh, where were you just over a month ago?? there was at least 3 of us in East Anglia looking for jobs and we all had linux skills!! anyhow we now all have positions but I mainly sent my CV out via jobserve, jobsite, gis-a-job and a few others but the responses from agencys was not great and they *always* promised to call back but it was not unusual to hear nothing for days. I also checked newspapers and registered with a few agencys directly. It seems rather interesting then that agencys are not having much success with the websites along with the candidates though... I don't know of a better system though, any ideas anyone?? Adam Bower _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Re: [Alug] How to find people with Linux skills
by Adam Bower 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

>I've asked you nicely, twice, but now I'm cross. > >Please stop spamming this list or I'll escalate it to your ISP. Demon >take a very dim view of spamming... Well Laurie if you had taken the time to look at FAQ which is at http://www.alug.org.uk/articles/2001a/alugfaq.html and under the section headed "Is advertising permitted on the list?" you will see that Gavin is fine and within what is allowed. Also I would like to point out that before Gavins first post to the list he emailed me to make sure it was ok and I told him it was only if he kept within the guidelines which he has done. Adam Bower (apologies for using snotmail btw, but i have legitmate reasons....) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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RE: [Alug] How to find people with Linux skills
by Gavin Smith 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

This is the last time I will post. I'm not interested in getting into any sort of slanging match so I apoligise for the overly long signature in my last email. I shan't be posting again. The first time I posted I actually asked whether it was OK to do so. The answer was yes. The second time I posted was to correct the first (I have posted a non- In defence of your comments about Best. Yes we are members of ATSCO (as are a number of other agencies) but we don't support IR35 in any way. In fact we are one of only a handful of companies that are able to provide a project based contract that as far it can be is "IR35 proof". It amazes me that the government seem to have managed to get contractors and agents fighting each other when we should be fighting them. I'm sure there are people who are not happy with the service we have provided them, equally I can provide you with testimonials of people who are. We could probably argue these points ad nauseum. That's enough from me. Gavin > -----Original Message----- > From: Laurie Brown [SMTP:laurie@brownowl.com] > Sent: 28 November 2001 09:18 > To: MJ Ray > Cc: Gavin Smith; ALUG List > Subject: Re: [Alug] How to find people with Linux skills > > MJ Ray wrote: > > > Laurie Brown wrote: > > > >>Gavin Smith wrote: > >> > >>>Where would you go to look for a new job (any suggestions greatfully > >>>received). > >>> > >>I've asked you nicely, twice, but now I'm cross. > >>Please stop spamming this list or I'll escalate it to your ISP. Demon > >>take a very dim view of spamming... > >> > > > > Laurie, I think that's a bit harsh. This time he was only asking for > where > > he should advertise, really. I don't have a problem with that and, > > personally, I'd be quite interested to know how people are getting jobs > > right now. Are recruitment agencies still worthwhile? > > > > However, what I do have a problem with is that *huge* signature which > breaks > > all known conventions, obeys no known standards and has no legal effect > > whatsoever. Gavin, if you post again, please do it without the sig. > > You may (perhaps fairly) think it's a bit harsh, but this is at least > the third time he's done this, and I've asked him to stop twice (which > he both failed to acknowledge, and ignored). Especially given its > precedents, it *is* spam, however relevant it may be to any particular > reader. Further, Best International are members of ATSCO, and as any > member of the PCG knows, not only supporters of IR35, but as members > of ATSCO, they are acting in the worst interests of contractors (qv. > statements from the ATSCO chairman passim). A cruise through the > private fora in the PCG will show that Best are in fact misnamed... > Consequently, I am unable to find any room for compromise. > > Of course, I'll go with the flow if my views are held to be wide of > the majority, and quietly fume. > > Cheers, Laurie. > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Laurie Brown > laurie(a)brownowl.com > PGP key at http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- **************************************************************************************** Official winners of the UK IT Recruitment Service of the Year Computing Awards for Excellence 2000 Official winners of the Network Recruitment Consultancy of the Year Networking Industry Awards 2001 Best International Group Plc Registered in England No. 3246014 London (Head Office) +44 (0)20 7300 9000 Bristol +44 (0)117 945 9000 Birmingham +44 (0)121 335 9000 Manchester +44 (0)161 942 9000 Scotland +44 (0)131 524 9000 This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any representations (contractual or otherwise), views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Best International Group, or any of its group companies. If you are not the intended recipient be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. ****************************************************************************************

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Re: [Alug] How to find people with Linux skills
by MJ Ray 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

Laurie Brown wrote: > Gavin Smith wrote: > > Where would you go to look for a new job (any suggestions greatfully > > received). > I've asked you nicely, twice, but now I'm cross. > Please stop spamming this list or I'll escalate it to your ISP. Demon > take a very dim view of spamming... Laurie, I think that's a bit harsh. This time he was only asking for where he should advertise, really. I don't have a problem with that and, personally, I'd be quite interested to know how people are getting jobs right now. Are recruitment agencies still worthwhile? However, what I do have a problem with is that *huge* signature which breaks all known conventions, obeys no known standards and has no legal effect whatsoever. Gavin, if you post again, please do it without the sig. -- MJR Anglian LUG http://www.alug.org.uk/ No ePatents http://petition.eurolinux.org/ FSF Europe http://www.fsfeurope.org/

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Move over windows once and for all ??
by Earl Brannigan 28 Nov '01

28 Nov '01

Hi all, Sorry if this is probably best posted on the social list. Linux on the desktop as a serious contender to M$ is now a reality - IMHO. What has been holding Linux back on the desktop is the learning curve required to install and get it up and running - which is often seen as a major problem to the newbie, together with the availability of the necessary hardware drivers. Well - after nagging a friend of mine for months (a retired headmaster) who was always having problems with his win98 setup - he finally agreed to have a dual boot machine with Linux on to 'try it out'. So we ordered Red Hat 7.2 from cheep linux (first point scored - price : £9.99!!) And off we went to install it onto his second (spare) hard drive. The installer auto-detected everything (Soundblaster 128 PCI Soundcard, Diamond Stealth graphics, even the Hansol Monitor). Within 1/2 an hour we had a beautiful looking 1024/768 GNome/KDE/FVWM/Enlightenment Desktop (second point scored : choices-choices), playing midi files through Timidity, ripping CDs to MP3 with GRIP, KOffice etc etc. He was gobsmacked!! Grub is an excellent bootloader, the highlighted list of installed OSes makes even the simple LILO prompt idiot-proof. The only problem (albeit predictable) was that the PCI Modem (a motorola something or other) wasn't detected. Haven't looked into this one yet but it may be a winmodem or there may be a driver for it. Of course the old caveat still applies - and will for some time - use an external modem or one which you know works under linux. The best moment of the entire evening however was that after rebooting to Windows, (He had to see that Windows hadn't been broken) his first comment was how naff the Win98 desktop actually looked!!(Game Set and Match : Linux LOOKS BETTER). Having spent months getting into the nuts and bolts of Debian (which is excellent - though not for the newbie - yet) and some 4 years as a linux user generally, I have to say that with this release RedHat is so difficult to beat. After half an hour we had a system up and running that I am still miles away from with my Debian installation after months of messing. In fact I'm going to dual boot to RedHat 7.2 myself now. I would recommend to anyone out there considering giving Linux a go, spend the tenner at cheep linux or get someone to burn you a copy - or even support Red Hat and buy the boxed version, you too should be gobsmacked!! Cheers Earl [earl.brannigan(a)lindenhouse.co.uk] www.lindenhouse.co.uk Intellectual : Someone who can spend a whole day locked in a room with a tea cosy without once thinking of trying it on. Highbrow : Someone who can listen to the entire William Tell Overture without once thinking of the Lone Ranger.

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RE: [Alug] Move over windows once and for all ??
by Ricardo Campos 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

> Hi Ricardo, > Excellent post. That's good, after I sent it I thought "Oh sh*t I hope I don't start a flame war!". It's coming from the perspective from someone who (occasionally, very very occasionally) works on his linux setup rather than go to the pub.Well, I did once, anyway. ;-) I also spent some time unemployed which is when I first started using Redhat 6.1 - which was suggested to me by my friend who is housebound (and now actually bedridden) due to lung disease. We both had the time and the inclination, but we had both been "Windoze power users" -an oxymoron perhaps! I was talking to Mark Ray about this ease-of-use issue on Sunday (after an installation of X failed on my debian HD)- there's a real problem with hardware vendors not releasing driver details- it really holds up the install and applications as well. There are plenty of talented programmers who would write drivers, if hardware vendors would only release the specs. I have the outmost respect for the dedication and skill of Linux developers. It's not mean task! Hopefully- somehow- we'll get there. (And hopefully installing and upgrading WILL be a simply, quick task for all Linux users). :) Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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How to find people with Linux skills
by Gavin Smith 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

I hope someone in your group will be able to help me. I need to recruit software engineers with Linux skills for a client in East Anglia. I've tried all the more obvious solutions, jobserve, jobsite etc. Where would you go to look for a new job (any suggestions greatfully received). Gavin Smith **************************************************************************************** Official winners of the UK IT Recruitment Service of the Year Computing Awards for Excellence 2000 Official winners of the Network Recruitment Consultancy of the Year Networking Industry Awards 2001 Best International Group Plc Registered in England No. 3246014 London (Head Office) +44 (0)20 7300 9000 Bristol +44 (0)117 945 9000 Birmingham +44 (0)121 335 9000 Manchester +44 (0)161 942 9000 Scotland +44 (0)131 524 9000 This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any representations (contractual or otherwise), views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Best International Group, or any of its group companies. If you are not the intended recipient be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. ****************************************************************************************

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RE: [Alug] Move over windows once and for all ??
by Ricardo Campos 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

>just > accepting of the fact that the world is full of dumbed-down users courtesy > of dumbed-down Redmond, users who need eye candy and pain-free installation > to consider switching and RedHat 7.2 is so far the closest to acheiving It's not just "dumbed-down users" (calling people "dumbed-down users" suggests that they are somehow ignorant, stupid or lazy, which may be true, but such statements tend to reinforce "Linux is elitist" views- sorry if I misunderstood your tone, but here I go).... <RANT> Also remember that the majority of users do not consider computers a 'hobby'. They simply want to sit at a computer, turn it on, send e-mails, browse some porn ;), download and print off digital camera pics, play a game etc, then go to the pub, look after the kids, go to work. Computers are now so commonplace that they are just tools. These people make up the majority of the Western World. (Well, Western Europe and North America). For example, I use a car. A car is fairly complex, and it would be a great idea to know how a car works. But I want to get in it, and drive to work. That is all. I do not want to get in it and realise that in fact I have to rebuild the engine because I bought my petrol from Jet not Esso (cos I thought it was the same stuff anyway). I want to use it. If cars interested me, which they do not in any way, I may wish to spend hours tinkering away. In which case I would buy a kit car anyway. Similarly, I do not want to tinker with my washing machine, mobile phone, TV, video, stereo or central heating. Perhaps idealistically I *should*, but come on, there's more interesting things in life. The real problem with the tinkering thing is that if you're using Linux for home use, your time is short (unless you do not have work, have kids, have other hobbies or a social life). That is not to devalue the disabled, or the unemployed, it is just a statement that most people do not have that circumstance, and the desktop market is for 'most people'. </RANT> So here's to easy installations, here's to linux distro's that can handle USB, the new Mega-wonder video cards, play whizz-bang games, all out of the box, and all after the initial installation! Let the people eat cake! (Of course, keep the server market obscure if the wages are higher because of it. I'll tinker away happily 9-5 if I'm getting paid for it!) :) Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Move over windows once and for all ??
by MJ Ray 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

> With the really easy install of RH7.2 I wouldn't see a reinstall to upgrade > as a problem. When this machine (or elements of it) becomes my second box > I'd like to try Debian - sounds like even more fun. Indeed, if the install is really that easy (and I'm sceptical given the failed 7.2 upgrade reinstall I did before leaving UEA), it's not a huge impediment, but I'd still rather avoid unnecessary work. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Move over windows once and for all ??
by MJ Ray 27 Nov '01

27 Nov '01

> Having spent months getting into the nuts and bolts of Debian (which is > excellent - though not for the newbie - yet) and some 4 years as a linux > user generally, I have to say that with this release RedHat is so difficult > to beat. After half an hour we had a system up and running that I am still > miles away from with my Debian installation after months of messing. > In fact I'm going to dual boot to RedHat 7.2 myself now. > I would recommend to anyone out there considering giving Linux a go, spend > the tenner at cheep linux or get someone to burn you a copy - or even > support Red Hat and buy the boxed version, you too should be gobsmacked!! What are the particular problems that you are having with Debian? I'm quite prepared to set aside a little time to come and trouble-shoot it for you if it helps, or even just explain things by email if I have access to equivalent parts here. I suspect others are too. Debian is quite nice, but it's still (at 2.2r4) a case of knowing the right parts to install, as the preselected combinations aren't quite up there. Where RedHat still falls down, though, is at upgrade time. The lack of useful support systems for rpm (and indeed, I suspect that these are not possible because of the way rpm files are specified, but I don't have hard proof there) means that an upgrade seems to be effectively a reinstall. Debian is a lot harder to install, really, but you only install it once per machine, generally. -- MJR ,---------------------------------------------------- | Q. Do you need a net-based application developing, | or advice and training about web technology? | A. I suggest you try http://www.luminas.co.uk/

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Re: [Alug] Colour printing under Linux
by Edenyard 26 Nov '01

26 Nov '01

On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:04:52 +0000, Steve Fosdick wrote: > > I hope this isn't teaching grandmother to suck eggs but when > Oh, NO! Far from it! I need all the tuition on egg-sucking that I can get at the moment, especially with Linux. The points that you mentioned were all things that I hadn't considered, so they were all very much worth mentioning. So please carry on with teaching Grandma.... Regarding my complaint about crippled Turboprint - maybe it's just me being very mean. Perhaps I've been spoilt by the extremely open-handed attitude of all the Linux things I've fiddled with so far. Gerald.

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CD Writer Trouble
by Steve Fosdick 26 Nov '01

26 Nov '01

Hi All, I am having trouble with a CD writer, a Yamaha CRW2100S SCSI. Trying to write with this CD writer using cdrdao always aborts with an error at what appears to be the same location on the disk each time (07:52, somewhere in track 6 IIRC) . It does this whether in real write mode or in simulate mode. Trying to write with this CD writer using cdrecord always aborts with an error between track 1 and track 2. I have only tried this in simulate mode. So, the first thing I'd like to know is if people think this is hardware problem, or a compatibility problem between the drivers and the CDR unit? The only driver for cdrdao that seems to do anything useful with this CDR is the mmc-raw driver. When the problem occurs the following output is produced; Starting: cdrdao simulate --remote 7 -v0 --device 1,0,0 --driver generic-mmc-raw:0x0 --buffers 30 /tmp/tocvmhD6b ?: Input/output error. : scsi sendcmd: no error CDB: 2A 00 00 00 8A BC 00 00 1A 00 status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION) Sense Bytes: 70 00 06 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 29 00 00 00 Sense Key: 0x6 Unit Attention, Segment 0 Sense Code: 0x29 Qual 0x00 (power on, reset, or bus device reset occurred) Fru 0x0 Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid) cmd finished after 2.879s timeout 20s ERROR: Write data failed. ERROR: Writing failed - buffer under run? ERROR: Simulation failed. And dmesg reports: sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 40x/40x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray VFS: Disk change detected on device sr(11,0) ncr53c810-0:0: ERROR (20:0) (8-28-0) (7/13) @ (script e7c:180008a0). ncr53c810-0: script cmd = 88080000 ncr53c810-0: regdump: da 10 80 13 47 07 00 1f 80 08 80 28 00 00 00 00. ncr53c810-0: have to clear fifos. ncr53c810-0-<0,*>: FAST-10 SCSI 10.0 MB/s (100 ns, offset 7) For cdrecord, cdrecord seems to pick the mmc driver. The error message I get know from it is: cdrecord: Input/output error. read track info: scsi sendcmd: no error CDB: 52 01 00 00 00 FF 00 00 1C 00 status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION) Sense Bytes: 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 24 00 00 00 Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, Segment 0 Sense Code: 0x24 Qual 0x00 (invalid field in cdb) Fru 0x0 Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid) cmd finished after 0.000s timeout 240s Steve.

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RE; [Alug] Colour Printing under Linux
by John Seago 25 Nov '01

25 Nov '01

Perhaps the answer may lie in using the Alien Package converter from: http://www.kitenet.net/programs/alien/ which purports to convert packages into acceptable formats for Stampede, Slackware, Debian, or RPM's. Not having used it I can't vouch for it's performance, it seems to be included in Mandrake 8.1 however, so it must work one way at least, or so one would presume. John Seago

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Wireless kit
by Martyn Drake 25 Nov '01

25 Nov '01

Hi folks, Can anybody recommend some cheapo wireless kit for a two machine home network. The "server" is a Red Hat 7.2 box with a USB ADSL modem hooked up with full IP masquerading and iptables firewall in place. The other machine is a laptop running Windows 2000. I'm thinking 3COM, but I'm sure they're going to be an expensive choice. Regards, Martyn

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Re: [Alug] Colour printing under Linux
by MJ Ray 25 Nov '01

25 Nov '01

Steve Fosdick: > On Sat, 24 Nov 2001 18:45:04 Edenyard wrote: > > Have you actually ever installed CUPS? I first of all tried Yes. I didn't like it and removed it. It was far too much of an "all in one and don't ask what goes on inside" solution for me. > [...] When you convert the > rpm to a tgz that isn't going to happen - you'll get the files > installed on the filesystem but no setup done. If the tgz is a slackware package, this isn't true. Of course, there are many differences between RH and slackware that may trip it up, as you correctly note. > It's up to the writer(s) of Turboprint if they give you > the source code or if they demand money to use the software. > It's up to you if you accept their conditions or choose > something else. Something else! Something else! ;-) Actually, if you get the source under a Free licence and it's being a troublesome printer, it may well be worth paying them. -- MJR

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Owen can't make Sundays meeting
by Adam Bower 25 Nov '01

25 Nov '01

Hi people, I spoke to Owen briefly yesterday afternoon and he has asked me to tell the list that he will not be able to make the meeting on Sunday and therefore there will be no talk on IPC. He has told me that he will do the talk sometime in the future, the reason that he can't come is because of some personal commitments. As for my talk on Debian, I don't currently have either a phoneline or computer in my current home in London so any chance of doing anything Debian related is not so easy. I am hoping to move out soon and get to a broadband serviced area though so things will (hopefully) be resolved then and I will then work on getting a talk together for next year. The reason above BTW is why I have not been active on list for some time as I can't get ssh out and don't have a linux box yet (I got the goahead on Friday for a linux firewall/ipmasq/fileserver/mailserver/whatever... box) so should be back on list soon. Adam -- Adam "a funny thing about regret is, that it's better to regret something you have done, than to regret something you haven't done"

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Re: [Alug] Colour printing under Linux
by Edenyard 25 Nov '01

25 Nov '01

On Fri, 23 Nov 2001 11:51:01 +0000, MJ Ray wrote: > Yep. Use gimp-print drivers for CUPS, ghostscript or the GIMP if your > printer is supported. I hear the latest debians have the ghostscript > drivers as standard. > Have you actually ever installed CUPS? I first of all tried using the version that came with the cover CD on Linux-Format mag. That installed and ran, but it only had a selection of about a dozen drivers, which (I gather from reading the documentation) were only intended as 'sample' drivers. When I went through the ghastly experience of installing Mandrake 8, I noticed that this had CUPS installed also, but had stacks and stacks of drivers, including something called 'DJ930C foomatic+stp-4.1.5(GIMP-Print)', which seemed to give better results than anything else with my 930C printer. Since I managed to find the relevant .ppd file buried in Mandrake, I thought that it would be a simple matter to copy the ppd file over to Slack and the Linux-Format version of CUPS. No such luck. The file was there in the index (once I'd restarted CUPS) but it wouldn't print at all. Then I removed that version of CUPS from Slack and tried installing the Mandrake .rpms (having converted them to .tgz) but that was a complete disaster. Sure, lots and lots of drivers now listed, but NONE of them would produce a test print. I'm quite happy to accept that my intelligence is below normal for this sort of thing, but I've found the whole CUPS experience frustrating in the extreme so far. Today I found Turboprint after a search on Google.com. I didn't hold out a lot of hope, given my success to date, but I've managed to get it to work with the standard lpr that comes with Slackware and the colour photos that I've been getting today from it are as good as any I've had thus far. Best of all, I'm now free of Mandrake! The only down-side to Turboprint is that it's crippled shareware, i.e., it prints a big 'this is turboprint' sort of banner across the colour pictures. I didn't think that that sort of thing was acceptable under Linux? I'd be very interested to hear how other people have got on with this kind of thing. Gerald.

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suse5.2!!!!!
by tom potts 24 Nov '01

24 Nov '01

Sorry if I've asked this before: Does anyone have the Suse 5.2 CD that came on the cover of PC World (I think?). Its the only one I've been able to get to load on 4 meg 386 machines and I though it would be fun to try with the Linux Terminal Server thats coming up. Tom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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problem when running perl...
by Simon Parkes 24 Nov '01

24 Nov '01

Hi again, I'm getting a strange problem whenever I run perl, I get this output :- perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = (unset), LC_ALL = (unset), LANG = "en_GB" are supported and installed on your system. perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). I know (or think) it's something to do with the file /etc/sysconfig/i18n but I can't figure out how to setup the rest, are there defaults that these variables should be set to? TIA Simon

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more on network card
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 23 Nov '01

23 Nov '01

I think what is happening is that when the machine is rebooting, it is losing its eth0 settings, and so the wins server hasn't a clue what it is, and can't resolve any requests made for trx850 when requests are made. I then have to do insmod rtl8139 and bring up the network address with ifconfig. These settings are then lost again when i reboot. I can't find why the routing stuff is being lost. But I feel if it wasn't my problem would be solved. Sorry about this. Jen.

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Re: [Alug] new netowrk card
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 23 Nov '01

23 Nov '01

Ricardo wrote: >>How do the windoze boxes connect to it? via a URL or a windoze style \\intranet\index.html method? Has the IP >address changed at all? If your windoze boxes use a Hosts file, that will have to be updated if the IP has changed. No, I changed nothing else. IP stayed the same. The only thing is that the card uses UTP rather than BNC, but as the card is talking on the network this can't be a problem. Connect via samba shares (working ok) then trying to connect to the apache server (not working ok). I *think* I've now narrowed the problem down to the WINS server not detecting the linux box on the network anymore. Why I don't know though. Thanks, Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] new netowrk card
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 23 Nov '01

23 Nov '01

No, I did restart samba and apache, also have checked all through /etc/network and ifconfig. Ifconfig is showing the card as there and raring to go. Log files: apache/error.log shows nothing abnormal, even though i've been trying to access webpages from windows machine on network and failing. apache/access.log doesn't recognise that the machine has been trying to reach the pages. I thought there may be a method for checking the settings for a network card, similar to the config program I ran on the 3c509. Thanks. Jen.

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Re: [Alug] new netowrk card
by MJ Ray 23 Nov '01

23 Nov '01

Chris: > I don't know what distro you're using, but the service command works with > Redhat and Mandrake. The word "debian" should be a clue. The general Unix equivalents are: /etc/init.d/samba restart /etc/init.d/apache restart I don't think that's the problem though. Jenny: > > no longer appearing in the windows network neighbourhood, and the inranet > > site served up from linuxbox won't display over the network (it will > > display using lynx on itself). > > Is there a file in debian where I can check the settings for a card, eg > > check it is configured to use TCP/IP (I think ping is UDP)? ping is ICMP. TCP/IP is quite core to GNU/Linux, so using ifconfig -a should show that the card is configured. Other files to look at include the contents of /etc/network and your log files. HTH -- MJR

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new netowrk card
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 23 Nov '01

23 Nov '01

Hi all! I've just replaced the 3com 10mb on my work box with a realtek 8139 100mb. The card is working, I can ping other machines on the network, telnet in to linuxbox from my windows machine, use my samba share, BUT the linux box is no longer appearing in the windows network neighbourhood, and the inranet site served up from linuxbox won't display over the network (it will display using lynx on itself). Is there a file in debian where I can check the settings for a card, eg check it is configured to use TCP/IP (I think ping is UDP)? Thanks, Jenny.

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Which CPU?
by Edenyard 23 Nov '01

23 Nov '01

I have a choice of 2 CPUs for my ex-skip Linux box: Intel P166-MMX (166MHz) or ST 6x86-166+ (133MHz). According to Norton SI under DOS, the MMX scores 580, whilst the 6x scores nearly 800, although both are reported as being a 486. However, when Linux boots, it reports 330 bogomips for the MMX but only about 160 for the 6x. I have two versions of the kernel 2.4.9, one optimised for the MMX and the other for the 6x. So the question is: which CPU will make Linux run faster? And will I notice the difference? Other system specs are RAM 64Mb, PCI bus, 256k PBSRAM cache. Gerald.

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Re: [Alug] Colour printing under Linux
by MJ Ray 23 Nov '01

23 Nov '01

Edenyard wrote: > Does anyone have any thoughts about colour (=photograph) printing > under Linux? [...] Yep. Use gimp-print drivers for CUPS, ghostscript or the GIMP if your printer is supported. I hear the latest debians have the ghostscript drivers as standard. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Big disks and BIOS
by Edenyard 23 Nov '01

23 Nov '01

Thanks for all the hints on these large disks, chaps! Seems like I'll go and open the wallet any day now. Look out for low-flying moths.... Gerald.

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Colour printing under Linux
by Edenyard 23 Nov '01

23 Nov '01

Does anyone have any thoughts about colour (=photograph) printing under Linux? Everything I've researched starts off by talking about 'The Linux Printing Problem'. I have an HP DJ930C and it seems to work on Mandrake 8.0 using a combination of CUPS and Kview. I really want it to work under my favourite Slackware, since Mandrake seems to run like a snail through treacle for me. I started off reading the Printing-HOWTO (several times) but, unlike most of the Linux HOWTOs that I've read, the printing one seems a complete muddle and I fear I'm none the wiser. I don't seem to be able to collect the right parts together to make Slackware do this thing so I was wondering whether anyone else has? Thanks for any pointers! Gerald.

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Re: [Alug] Debain installation crash]
by Steve Fosdick 22 Nov '01

22 Nov '01

On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 22:26:56 Ian Douglas wrote: > I brought myself a copy of "Debian GNU/Linux Bible" today and > tried installing Debian Potato on my PC from the CD bundled with > the book. I used fips to create some space on my Windows hard > disk, used rawrite to create the Rescue and Root floppies (my PC > cannot boot from CDs), reset the PC with the Rescue floppy and > CD inserted, watched loads of lines of text scroll past as the > PC booted then finally received a message telling me to remove > the Rescue disk insert the Root disk and press return. I put > the Root disk in, hit return, a line of text appears briefly > then my screen goes black and about a second later my PC resets > (consistently). Anyone any idea what is causing the installation > to crash? > > In frustration I have (successfully) installed SuSE Linux on > another hard disk which I can use in the PC to carry out tests > (if anyone can suggest any worth doing) to help determine the > cause of the Debian installation problem as I would like to be > able to install and experiment with Debian Linux if possible. A couple of possibilities spring to mind: corrupt floppies or a driver build into the default debian kernel conflicting with a different piece of hardware in your PC. To deal with the corrupt floppies issue you use your SuSE distribution to compare the debian floppies against the image of these from the Debian CD: cmp /dev/fd0 /cdrom/whereever-the-floppy-image-is for each disk changing the right hand of the two paths to match the images you actually used from the Debian CD. Please also bear in mind that not all magazine cover disks have the correct versions of everything including the floppy images. Regarding the kernel drivers problem, and official Debian CD set ships with a choice of boot floppy images containing various different kernels to suit different hardware. If you have that choice from your CD it may be worth trying on of the other ones. If these aren't on your CD you can find them on the Debian FTP site. Start with this directory: ftp:://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/2.2.26-2001-06… And then check the sub-directories safe udma66 idepci compact each of which contains a slightly different build of the kernel. Hope this helps. Steve.

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Debain installation crash
by Ian Douglas 22 Nov '01

22 Nov '01

I brought myself a copy of "Debian GNU/Linux Bible" today and tried installing Debian Potato on my PC from the CD bundled with the book. I used fips to create some space on my Windows hard disk, used rawrite to create the Rescue and Root floppies (my PC cannot boot from CDs), reset the PC with the Rescue floppy and CD inserted, watched loads of lines of text scroll past as the PC booted then finally received a message telling me to remove the Rescue disk insert the Root disk and press return. I put the Root disk in, hit return, a line of text appears briefly then my screen goes black and about a second later my PC resets (consistently). Anyone any idea what is causing the installation to crash? In frustration I have (successfully) installed SuSE Linux on another hard disk which I can use in the PC to carry out tests (if anyone can suggest any worth doing) to help determine the cause of the Debian installation problem as I would like to be able to install and experiment with Debian Linux if possible. Ian.

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Question about Background Processes
by Peter Bassill 22 Nov '01

22 Nov '01

Hi all Hoping some-one can help me. I have run a process and put it into the background. I have then logged off and then logged back on later but i can not get the process to come back to the foreground. Does anyone know how to do it? Any help would be extremely gratefully received. Pete Bassill

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Xine (& rpm's oh dear oh dear)
by Ricardo Campos 22 Nov '01

22 Nov '01

OK. I've got Xine 0.9.1 up and running, but it's now up to release 0.9.4, and DVD nav just doesn't work at all in 0.9.1, in fact it's done something weird with the UI. (has anyone had any luck with dvdnav?) If I try and $rpm -e xine-lib-0.9.1*.rpm then it says that it isn't installed If I $rpm -Uvh xine-lib-0.9.1*.rpm then it says it's already installed! grrrrr.... My only worry is that I was never able to get 0.9.2 to work, or 0.9.4., so if I install the new rpm's with the -ivh flag, I might not be able to uninstall it and revert to a working, if flawed installation. Anyone know why rpm thinks packages that *are* installed aren't? or any way that I could preserve and older installation? would the --force option do the same, if I used the older rpms? Ricardito -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Question about Background Processes
by MJ Ray 22 Nov '01

22 Nov '01

Peter: > Hoping some-one can help me. I have run a process and put it into the > background. I have then logged off and then logged back on later but i > can not get the process to come back to the foreground. Does anyone know > how to do it? Any help would be extremely gratefully received. Off the top of my head, no. I'm not sure you can. Have you considered using screen and running the process in that if you need to regain control of it? -- MJR

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Can anyone help me with SSH please?
by bsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 22 Nov '01

22 Nov '01

My web site hosting company have just changed from Telnet to SSH. I am unable to establish a connection and I'm not sure quite what I'm supposed to do at my end. I'm running Debian Potato and have installed SSH. Do I need to do anything else in order to use it? I have looked at the man page but, as always, I don't understand it. SSH appears to connect to the host but exits with 'secure connection refused'. Any help gratefully received. Barry Samuels

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Sendmail question....
by Simon Parkes 22 Nov '01

22 Nov '01

Hi Guys, I know this can be done, but I can't find it in the docs. I want an e-mail send to a particular account to run a batch file that will send the results back to another account. Any ideas or pointers please ?? Simon

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problems with perl...
by Simon Parkes 22 Nov '01

22 Nov '01

Hi again, I'm getting a strange problem whenever I run perl, I get this output :- perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = (unset), LC_ALL = (unset), LANG = "en_GB" are supported and installed on your system. perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). I know (or think) it's something to do with the file /etc/sysconfig/i18n but I can't figure out how to setup the rest, are there defaults that these variables should be set to? TIA Simon

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Announce digest, Vol 1 #6 - 3 msgs
by announce-request＠lists.alug.org.uk 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

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Re: Re[2]: [Alug] Can anyone help me with SSH please?
by Aaron Walker 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

Have to say Chris seems to have covered all bases. but to specify port 24 you just add the switch -p 24 Aaron On Wednesday 21 November 2001 15:44, you wrote: > I am using it exactly as you specify but as mentioned in another reply > I think that I need to specify port 24 but I don't know how. > > Barry Samuels > > Aaron Walker <aaron(a)transversal.com> wrote: > > Barry, > > > > how are you using ssh? > > > > You need to type ssh -l <username> <host you want to connect to> > > > > hopefully you will then get a message asking you if you are sure you > > want to > > this particular host to be added to your known_hosts file just type > > yes. You > > should now have shell access. > > > > Aaron > > > > On Wednesday 21 November 2001 15:15, you wrote: > > > My web site hosting company have just changed from Telnet to SSH. > > > > > > I am unable to establish a connection and I'm not sure quite what > > > > I'm > > > > > supposed to do at my end. > > > > > > I'm running Debian Potato and have installed SSH. Do I need to do > > > anything else in order to use it? I have looked at the man page > > > > but, > > > > > as always, I don't understand it. > > > > > > SSH appears to connect to the host but exits with 'secure > > > > connection > > > > > refused'. > > > > > > Any help gratefully received. > > > > > > Barry Samuels > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > main(a)lists.alug.org.uk > > > http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ > > > http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main > > > Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above!

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Re: [Alug] problems with perl...
by MJ Ray 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

Simon Parkes: > I know (or think) it's something to do with the file /etc/sysconfig/i18n but > I can't figure out how to setup the rest, are there defaults that these > variables should be set to? The perllocale man page has a section on LOCALE PROBLEMS which may help. I believe this is controlled by the /etc/locale.conf file on Debian, so presumably the i18n file is similar? The Locale documentation says this about configuring new ones: To compile the locale data files you simply have to decide which locale (based on the location and the language) and which character set you use. E.g., French speaking Canadians would use the locale fr_CA' and the character set ISO_8859-1,1987'. Calling localedef' to get the desired data should happen like this: localedef -i fr_CA -f ISO-8859-1 fr_CA We use the same character set, so presumably replacing fr_CA with en_GB would fix it. You're better off finding out the correct way for your distribution, though. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Sendmail question....
by MJ Ray 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

> Simplest (non-sendmail-specific) solution is to use forward, ie in the > account that receives the email put in .forward something like: > \user,"| name_of_batchfile" That's right, but be aware that any error in the script processing it will be sent back to the sender as an email bounce, so you will quickly get dumped off mailing lists and the like if you don't make sure it works. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Can anyone help me with SSH please?
by MJ Ray 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

Chris Allen wrote: > Setting up ssh to give secure connections without needing > to enter a password is very easy, but *absurdly* poorly > documented, even in the SSH O'reilly book. Let me know if > you need any more help - I've spent many frustrating hours > battling with this program! It's actually very easy, at least with openssh (package name ssh) on Debian. You run ssh-keygen once, then add the contents of $HOME/.ssh/identity.pub on your local host to $HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys on the remote host. Type ssh-add on the local host and enter your passphrase to authorise your key for the current X session, then you can ssh without a password. That's the basic situation for most people. Things are similar for ssh 2, although I don't think the Debian Potato version supports the newer protocol. If you don't run under X, you'll need to start your own ssh-agent and set the required variables, but the manual pages aren't bad. -- MJR

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more on Jen's UPS
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

Hi all, following yesterday's post about an APC UPS I have now installed apcupsd and checked the apcuspd.conf. I'm stuck on the message "PANIC! Cannot talk to UPS" then "destory_Semaphore: can not destroy sem" (the "destory" is correctly typed here) when i start the daemon. Am I missing a driver? Could i have the wrong lead?(it is a 940 0095a-c, I trawled about and it seemed that one would be ok). All I want is for it to do an orderly shutdown in the eventuality of an extended powercut (such as we had the night before last). Jenny.

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Sendmail question
by Simon Parkes 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

Hi Guys, I know this can be done, but I can't find it in the docs. I want an e-mail send to a particular account to run a batch file that will send the results back to another account. Any ideas or pointers please ?? Simon

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Fw: [Alug] Distributions
by David Casal 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

> This I know from bitter experience, > having blown up my laptop many times! Reassuring thought...;-} > As always, make sure you back up any valuable data before bringing the > machine in, though. {dumping all to DeadRat at home, which runs Samba ok} > so you can identify which part of the > network spagetti is yours at the end of the day. Exciting... Just a thought...if I bring a burned copy of PD (www.pure-data.org), (provided it gets as far as sound config), would anyone be interested to have a look? From the pd site: "Pd" stands for "pure data". Pd is a real-time software system for live musical and multimedia performances. It is in active development by Miller Puckette, and perhaps others. The system is unfinished, but quite useable for sophisticated projects. It has been ported to Linux, IRIX, and Windows NT. D

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Re: [Alug] Distributions
by MJ Ray 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

David: > >Speaking of .... anyone want Debian 2.2r4 CDs? > I stupidly lost the one MJ gave me (thankfully post-install at home), so I'd > love one... I've not had any 2.2r4 ones, as they're not that old. I'd quite welcome one too, just as there's always someone to give them to. ;-) -- MJR

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Debian CDs
by MJ Ray 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

I hope to have real silver copies of some official Debian CDs at Sunday's meeting, if they get here in time. They'll be 2.2r3, but there isn't *too* much difference from r4, so it should be a relative quick update (definitely less than an hour at modem speed). Suggested donation amount and numbers are as yet unconfirmed, but it would be a great way to support the Debian project with some much-needed funds. http://www.uk.debian.org/ -- MJR

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PPPD Problems
by Earl Brannigan 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

Hi all, I'm running Debian Potato with an Intel Ham Modem. Using either pon/poff or wvdial I seem to get the same problem after dialling. The modem connects and makes plenty of noise. with wvdial : After connection I get : 'Looks like a login prompt sending <username>' then : 'Looks like a password prompt sending <password>' then after a second or 2 'Don't know what to do, starting pppd and hoping for the best' pppd starts but after a few seconds it 'gives up' and terminates. Looking in the log I can see the call to pppd<-->/dev/ham then (I have debugging turned on) after a few lines pppd 'detects loopback' and terminates. It appears that when pppd attaches to the modem it thinks that 'the serial device is looped back'. (if I send 'ATZ'>/dev/ham the modem clicks satisfyingly...) and it is properly set up because sometimes it works!!!! - this is the annoying thing, last night it connected first time and I surfed for half hour, then when I tried a little later (even after reboots) it went back to the previous state. lsmod shows all of the relevant modules loaded, /etc/ppp/<files> all appear to be in order ... stuck! The best thing is that wvdial and pppd must die in a nasty way. ps shows them, killall -TERM doesn't kill them which leaves a kill -9 as the only way to get rid of them. if I rmmod all of the relevant modules then restart the whole process all of the modules are reloaded etc... as should be pon gives the same log output but there is no detail on the screen. poff afterwards gives an error that pppd is not running. Really starting to do my head in - as well as probably costing me a small packet in 5p a shot aborted phone-calls. I Have 2 ISP Accounts - freeserve and uklinux (with a few optional numbers), both of which experience the same problem. Has anyone had anything similar or can you suggest a possible cause .. Cheers Earl [earl.brannigan(a)lindenhouse.co.uk] www.lindenhouse.co.uk Intellectual : Someone who can spend a whole day locked in a room with a tea cosy without once thinking of trying it on. Highbrow : Someone who can listen to the entire William Tell Overture without once thinking of the Lone Ranger.

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Re: [Alug] Mozilla plug-ins
by MJ Ray 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

Mark Elliss: > I found that just dropping the plugin into Mozilla's plugin directory > simply did not work. Using the link it works a treat. ...and I found it did, but I'm not using a standalone JRE. I don't know if that's the difference. -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Mozilla plug-ins
by Ricardo Campos 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

> Do not copy libjavaplugin_oji.so directly to >mozilla's plugin directory. Strangely enough, there isn't one! I don't have netscrape 6, so I'll have to grep libjavaplugin_oji.so, should be OK. Are there any weird permissions for the ~/.mozilla/plugin/ directory? (or is it ~/.mozilla/plug-in/ , etc.) Hopefully I'll be able to mkdir the directory and chmod 755 it? Or is there another way I need to do this? (Unfortunately I do not have access to my linux box right now) Thanks for the help! Ricardo "There are several codes, and I know several of them." -Mr. Precise. http://www.rscampos.net -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Distributions
by Andrew Savory 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

Hi all, There's been some coverage recently [1] about the relative popularity of different distributions and hardware platforms. I just thought it would be kinda interesting before the next meeting (which I should be at) to see who uses what? I'll start the ball rolling: 6 Debian Intel (all manner of junk from 486 to P3) and 1 Debian Alpha. Andrew. [1] http://lwn.net//2001/1115/#dist

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Re: [Alug] Big disks and BIOS
by MJ Ray 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

> Depends if you want to boot off the disk or not. I found I was unable to > boot from my 34gb disk, but that I could mount it and use it just fine in > Linux after booting from another disk. It *should* be possible to boot from it, as long as the boot partition is near the start of the disk (for some value of "near"). -- MJR

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Re: Python + Perl = Parrot
by Lucy McWilliam 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

Owen Synge wrote: > I have been looking up a bit of python, (trying to find idle) and stumbled > across an april's fools joke that got me this year. > http://www.oreilly.com/news/parrotstory_0401.html http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2001/04/01/parrot.htm - the original joke http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2001/09/18/parrot.html - the bytecode intepreter http://www.parrotcode.org I have to admit it got me too. Parrot is now the virtual machine for Perl 6. L. "Everybody knows badger likes mashed potato."

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Big disks and BIOS
by Edenyard 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

Can anyone set me straight on the situation regarding large HDs and (early) BIOS limitations? I seem to remember a limit of 8.4Gb for 486 and early 586 BIOSes, but does that mean that HDs > 8.4Gb won't work at all on these motherboards, or will the space above 8.4Gb just be unreachable? I know that one can get special drivers to overcome the limit, but this is going to be for Linux mainly, so the possibility of using a DOS driver doesn't exist. The problem is that I need a new HD and all I see for sale these days seem to start at around 20Gb. I don't mind buying 20Gb so long as I know that I can use 8.4Gb of it! Any clues or enlightenment, as always, very welcome - thanks! Gerald.

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Re: [Alug] Mozilla plug-ins
by MJ Ray 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

> I've been able to activate my Java VM plug-in in > Netscape, but can't seem to do this in Mozilla. [...] The simplest way is to go and download the Java VM plug-in for Netscape 6 with Mozilla. It's a large download, though, so if you're talking about Netscape 6, you could try copying the java2 and libjavaplugin_oji.so to Mozilla's plugins dir, but that might not work. HTH -- MJR

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Dead Rat 7.1 Box Set for Sale/Grabs
by Martyn Drake 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

Hi folks, If anybody is interested in a Red Hat 7.1 box set for sale, and doesn't mind forking out £20 + £3.50 for postage and packing, then it's yours. Nine CDs, manuals and stickers and all in good condition. Now that Red Hat 7.2 is out, I no longer have any use for it. If anybody is interested in it, please can they email me off the list. Regards, Martyn

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Slackware 8
by John Seago 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

Some time ago someone asked where they could buy a boxed set of slackware 8 as they wanted the slackware book in addition to the disks. Having bought Slackware 8 disks form Linux Emporium, I also wanted the book, I bought it from the Slackware Web-site, I ordered on a Thursday and it arrived the following Tuesday. I hope this is of some help. John Seago

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Distributions
by Peter Bassill 21 Nov '01

21 Nov '01

IN response: RedHat 7.2 on Dell Inspiron 8100 and all other manner of machinary. Pete -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Savory [mailto:lists@andrewsavory.com] Sent: 19 November 2001 15:43 To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug] Distributions Hi all, There's been some coverage recently [1] about the relative popularity of different distributions and hardware platforms. I just thought it would be kinda interesting before the next meeting (which I should be at) to see who uses what? I'll start the ball rolling: 6 Debian Intel (all manner of junk from 486 to P3) and 1 Debian Alpha. Andrew. [1] http://lwn.net//2001/1115/#dist _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above!

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Re: [Alug] Distributions
by Ricardo Campos 20 Nov '01

20 Nov '01

> > Come to think of it, perhaps I'll leave the Debian install till the > > meeting, it seems there are a fair few Debian fans around here :^) Well, _I_ was thinking of that too! So perhaps we can get an install going in tandem (I have 2.2r3 discs). But that means I'm gonna have to buy a new HD... ££££! I use Mandrake 8.0 on my desktop (Duron), and Redhat 6.1 on my laptop (AMD 486-yay!), although I don't really use my laptop for anything at the moment! If people are willing to help with a Debian install (rather than just laugh at me, you're allowed to do it *as well*, just not on it's own-that's *my* job!), then I'll lug (pardon the pun) my desktop to the meeting. Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Python + Perl = Parrot
by oms101＠freeuk.com 20 Nov '01

20 Nov '01

I have been looking up a bit of python, (trying to find idle) and stumbled across an april's fools joke that got me this year. http://www.oreilly.com/news/parrotstory_0401.html Hope you enjoy the story of Parrot Regards Owen Synge Date: 20-Nov-01 Time: 23:36:45

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Re: [Alug] Burning Linux CDs under Windoze
by MJ Ray 20 Nov '01

20 Nov '01

> >�By any chance do you know of a freeware cd-burning program for Windows > >�that will do the job? ISTR "Nero", but I'm sure this is covered in the burning howto on http://www.linuxiso.org/ > BTW The BDI image referred to is a bastardized RH6.x distro. Updated, I trust? -- MJR

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Mozilla plug-ins
by Ricardo Campos 20 Nov '01

20 Nov '01

I've been able to activate my Java VM plug-in in Netscape, but can't seem to do this in Mozilla. I've checked www.mozilla.org, but it doesn't seem to have the info. Do I have to set an environment variabel like in Netscape? Does anyone know what it is? I prefer Mozilla, for some reason!! -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Burning Linux CDs under Windoze
by Paul 20 Nov '01

20 Nov '01

Hi Folks I have received a question on burning bootable CDs under Windows. This is something I have never done...... Can anyone help with an answer. > I have downloaded the BDI image but have no cd burner, so a friend is > going to make a disk for me. The only trouble is that neither of us is > quite sure how to get the image on the cd in the right place, ie. as a > bootable image rather than a file. I should say that this is true for > Windoze; I do know how to do it in Linux with dd but the cd burner is of > course on another computer. > > By any chance do you know of a freeware cd-burning program for Windows > that will do the job? > > tnx, BTW The BDI image referred to is a bastardized RH6.x distro. Regards, Paul.

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Re: [Alug] UEA Meeting - who's going
by MJ Ray 20 Nov '01

20 Nov '01

> I just released there is an ALUG meeting planned for next weekend at UEA. > Is this still going ahead? Who's planning to attend? I'll be there, but what are we doing? I think the room in question has a number of small tables, so we can probably have some small talks on particular topics as well as the normal "kit rush". People who are interested in the talks can just sit down while the rest of them use kit on one edge of the room. Sounds OK? Owen, are you doing a talk? I'd quite like to talk to some people about the plans for Free Software in this country. What time shall we aim to start the talks at? 1430? I'm travelling from King's Lynn, as always, and probably setting off just after noon. If anyone reasonably near the main routes wants transport to/from, please email me privately. Three seats available. -- MJR Anglian LUG http://www.alug.org.uk/ No ePatents http://petition.eurolinux.org/ FSF Europe http://www.fsfeurope.org/

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UPS - confused
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 20 Nov '01

20 Nov '01

Hi All, Can anyone explain to me what the difference is between using apcd and powerd? I'm trying to set up a smart UPS 700 . Seems that you have to run them in dumb mode, so I guess I can only get the box to shut down rather than reboot? Jenny.

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Re: [Alug] Distributions
by MJ Ray 19 Nov '01

19 Nov '01

Owen: > can't get it to work properly) I hate debian's way of building kernels, why > not the same as everyone else? I think you'll find other distributions do different things if you want to build it as a package. Some are more painful. Debian's is OK once you've done it a few times and you keep your revisions and flavours apart. > and is fakeroot a security hole ?? Hard to see how it could be, as it's designed to fool the system into thinking it's root when it's not, rather than the other way round. No elevated privleges required. -- MJR

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Dave Crease - Biographical notes!
by David Crease 19 Nov '01

19 Nov '01

I have no serious or professional use for Linux, I just like the idea of a free operating system and software that is in the hands of the users. As this may indicate I am an old hippy who graduated in Chemistry in the 1960s, taught at various levels for many years and at the age of 59 have ended up as the Brewing Manager at Woodforde's Brewery. I've been using computers since the 1960's starting with a Stantec Zebra but my knowledge of them is very fragmented. I have Redhat7 on a AMD Athlon, tucked away in a partition so that my wife can use the Windows stuff. I have no special interests in using Linux. I am just intrigued by the whole thing. When and where is the next meeting, please? Dave Crease

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RE: Distributions
by Peter Delf 19 Nov '01

19 Nov '01

Okay, Here goes. I use Debian 2.2r4 (from linux123.co.uk, don't think i'll use them again, my 2.2r2 cheeplinux.com CDs are much prettier) on both my desktop and laptop computers. I've upgraded both to a 2.4.X kernel to provide better support for things like CD writers and USB. The desktop is a custom built AMD K6 2-400 w/128mb RAM and the rest. The laptop is a Toshiba Satelite 4070CDT. Very proud of getting all the hardware in my laptop working, including the Lucent winmodem and USB ports! Pete Pete www.crawl-space.org.uk p.delf(a)uea.ac.uk

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IRC #alug uk.openprojects.net:8001 8pm onwards
by MJ Ray 19 Nov '01

19 Nov '01

I don't see the meeting announcement today, but I'll be a little late returning to IRC. It'd be great to see some people now when I finally remember to be there ;-) If you've not been there before, try http://lists.alug.org.uk/pipermail/main/2001-November/000685.html -- MJR

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Re: [Alug] Distributions
by MJ Ray 19 Nov '01

19 Nov '01

> There's been some coverage recently [1] about the relative popularity of > different distributions and hardware platforms. I just thought it would be > kinda interesting before the next meeting (which I should be at) to see > who uses what? Debian wherever I go. Recently (last few months), about 7 Intel installs and 1 Sparc. My home machine in Debian Intel. Only the Palm isn't. Anyone want to set up a distribution poll page where we can all try to honestly log out distribution distributions? -- MJR

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Re: Re: [Alug] UEA Meeting - who's going
by Dryden 19 Nov '01

19 Nov '01

> I'll definitely be there, seeing as I live in Nelson Court anyway! > > There's a computer fair on in Norwich that day as well, so I'll no doubt > turn up with a freshly beefed up PC and a freshly lightened wallet ;-) > > Ta ta, > > Andrew WHere is the computer fair going to be? At the show ground (like always)? ********************************************************************** IMPORTANT: This email and its attachments are intended for the addressee only and may be confidential. If they have come to you in error you must take no action based on them nor must you copy or show them to anyone; please telephone us immediately. The contents of this email and attachments represent the views of the sender and are not necessarily the representative of the views of The College of West Anglia **********************************************************************

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UEA Meeting - who's going
by Ashley 19 Nov '01

19 Nov '01

I just released there is an ALUG meeting planned for next weekend at UEA. Is this still going ahead? Who's planning to attend? -- Ashley T. Howes PhD www.ashleyhowes.com "When all the animals of this world are gone, man will die of loneliness" ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 09:37:37 +0100 (BST) From: willaby(a)pgen.net To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: [Alug] UEA Meeting booked. As per request. A room is booked at the UEA for 25th November, 2 - 6. Nelson Court B Common Room. Bye :) _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above!

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Re: [Alug] UEA Meeting - who's going
by MJ Ray 19 Nov '01

19 Nov '01

Pete: > Can some-one please give me directions on how to get to the meeting. http://www.alug.org.uk/venues/uea.html has details on UEA, but the update on http://www.alug.org.uk/ with details of this weekend's meeting won't appear until tonight, at best. -- MJR Anglian LUG http://www.alug.org.uk/ No ePatents http://petition.eurolinux.org/ FSF Europe http://www.fsfeurope.org/

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Re: [Alug] Apache mod_perl - Does it have the perl interpreter build into mod_perl or does it load it from elsewhere
by MJ Ray 19 Nov '01

19 Nov '01

Steve: > I have checked the docs that seem to come with the mod_perl > source but can find no instructions for the building of perl > itself, only the mod_perl module and apache. > Do you have a reference? Off the top of my head, I think it comes from the Apache guide to tuning mod_perl on their web site, but it was a long time ago. I hope that helps, but let us know how you get on. -- MJR Anglian LUG http://www.alug.org.uk/ No ePatents http://petition.eurolinux.org/ FSF Europe http://www.fsfeurope.org/

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Re: [Alug] lilo startup crash(mandrake 8.0)
by MJ Ray 19 Nov '01

19 Nov '01

> Finally i have a nice working email service that i can use > in collage(as you can tell from my email addy ;-). Cool. Got a room there we can use for the January meeting? ;-) > I have messed about with the config file for lilo [...] > Any one know what is wrong with this? In all likelihood, you goofed with the config, from the sounds of it. > ********************************************************************** > IMPORTANT: This email and its attachments are intended for the addressee only [...] Sorry, can you get another email address for your list subscriptions, please? I can't allow this kind of standards-breaching poop on the list, or we'll have to let everyone do it and double the amount of email we get. It's bad enough that certain email clients enjoy bloating the headers with useless guff... List config change: base64 bodies are now blocked, too. Please use PLAIN TEXT. Quoted-printable and 8bit are both allowed through. -- MJR Anglian LUG http://www.alug.org.uk/ No ePatents http://petition.eurolinux.org/ FSF Europe http://www.fsfeurope.org/

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Re: [Alug] UEA Meeting - who's going
by Peter Bassill 19 Nov '01

19 Nov '01

The non Base64 encoded version, dont ask me how it happened... It just did. Can some-one please give me directions on how to get to the meeting. Cheers Pete

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RE: [Alug] UEA Meeting - who's going
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 19 Nov '01

19 Nov '01

>can anyone tell me what to expect/what happens at the >meetings? If you have a brought along a box: rush in trailing wires, plug it all back together, network it up to any other boxes, and prepare to have your most tender secrets exposed to the anglian linux community ("What's THIS you've done to your php.ini file?") If you haven't: bring biscuits instead and eat them whilst watching everyone else being busy.

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lilo startup crash(mandrake 8.0)
by Dryden 19 Nov '01

19 Nov '01

Finally i have a nice working email service that i can use in collage(as you can tell from my email addy ;-). I have messed about with the config file for lilo (/etc/lilo.conf). this was so that i could added my new kernel as the default for startup but now my Linux box just freeze after the time to select an option is up. It will boot up fine if i stop the countdown and select my option. Any one know what is wrong with this? It seems to mount my hard disk drives in its freeze time as it checks my hard drives(with fsck) when i next boot it properly. If you need to see my config file ill put it on my site and post a link to it, just mail me back and ask. Dennis Dryden ********************************************************************** IMPORTANT: This email and its attachments are intended for the addressee only and may be confidential. If they have come to you in error you must take no action based on them nor must you copy or show them to anyone; please telephone us immediately. The contents of this email and attachments represent the views of the sender and are not necessarily the representative of the views of The College of West Anglia **********************************************************************

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RE: [Alug] UEA Meeting - who's going
by Peter Bassill 19 Nov '01

19 Nov '01

How does one get there? Can anyone give me directions please? -----Original Message----- From: Dryden [mailto:Ddryden@cmp.col-westanglia.ac.uk] Sent: 19 November 2001 13:03 To: main(a)lists.alug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Alug] UEA Meeting - who's going Ye ill try to come :) Itll be the first one ive been to... can anyone tell me what to expect/what happens at the meetings? ********************************************************************** IMPORTANT: This email and its attachments are intended for the addressee only and may be confidential. If they have come to you in error you must take no action based on them nor must you copy or show them to anyone; please telephone us immediately. The contents of this email and attachments represent the views of the sender and are not necessarily the representative of the views of The College of West Anglia ********************************************************************** _______________________________________________ main(a)lists.alug.org.uk http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above!

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Re: [Alug] UEA Meeting - who's going
by Dryden 19 Nov '01

19 Nov '01

Ye ill try to come :) Itll be the first one ive been to... can anyone tell me what to expect/what happens at the meetings? ********************************************************************** IMPORTANT: This email and its attachments are intended for the addressee only and may be confidential. If they have come to you in error you must take no action based on them nor must you copy or show them to anyone; please telephone us immediately. The contents of this email and attachments represent the views of the sender and are not necessarily the representative of the views of The College of West Anglia **********************************************************************

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re how do I
by tom potts 19 Nov '01

19 Nov '01

If you want to avoid the browser wrapping text in html the easiest way if to use the <pre> ...</pre> tags which displays any text in between "as is" - is short fro preformatted. If you are 'parsing' in log files to an html file then write "<pre>" to the output file and then copy the (I presume txt file) straight in (you might want to check for the </pre> tag and htmlise that just in case) and then slap the "</pre>" tag after it. Tom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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Apache mod_perl - Does it have the perl interpreter build into mod_perl or does it load it from elsewhere
by Steve Fosdick 18 Nov '01

18 Nov '01

I have tried reading some of the mod_perl docs but didn't find the answer to this one... With a web server with mod_perl available, is the perl interpreter itself embedded in the mod_perl.so module, or does mod_perl.so load the perl interpreter from some external source, e.g. a libperl.so that is part of the systems normally perl installation. I am interested primarily to know if upgrading the perl version on a system using mod_perl will: a) cause the newer perl intrepreter to usedby Apache. b) break mod_perl by having perl modules that assume a recent version of the perl interpreter but actually get run under an older one in mod_perl. Does anyone know please? Steve.

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Gmix and Sound Card Identification
by Steve Fosdick 18 Nov '01

18 Nov '01

Hi, Does anyone please knoe gmix (the Gnome mixer) determines the type of sound card installed and which controls it has? Gmix used to be identify my card correctly as an ES1371 and offer me a record level control, but not gmix thinks it is a Tritech??? and offers no such control. In the absense of the control the record level seems to be set permanently to zero! Steve.

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Re: [Alug] Apache mod_perl - Does it have the perl interpreter build into mod_perl or does it load it from elsewhere
by MJ Ray 18 Nov '01

18 Nov '01

Steve Fosdick: > With a web server with mod_perl available, is the perl interpreter itself > embedded in the mod_perl.so module, or does mod_perl.so load the perl > interpreter from some external source, e.g. a libperl.so that is part of > the systems normally perl installation. "It depends." If you're just using the normal perl you get with most distributions, then I think mod_perl has most of the perl interpreter inside it. If you're using a perl built as the mod_perl docs instruct you to, then it's nearly all loaded in from a shared library. To be safe, recompile your mod_perl or install the two perls side-by-side. -- MJR

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I'm looking for suggestions
by bsamuels＠beenthere-donethat.org.uk 17 Nov '01

17 Nov '01

I want to upgrade my relatively elderly machine ( dual 233 Mhz pentiums) but it will probably mean that I won't be able to use my ISA modem as there are no ISA slots on modern boards. I want to avoid using an external modem. So I'm thinking of using an even older machine as a firewall/gateway into which I can fit my modem and a network card and then connect to the internet via that. I am running KDE 1.something and use a little utility called kpppload which displays a small window showing transfer rates in figures and as a graph continuously updated. I would feel lost without this as, if transfers stop, this little window tells me at a glance that rates are down to zero and it gives an indication if transfer rates are slower than they should be. If I set up this gateway as proposed it will not have X and therefore no little kpppload window. Is there any way of displaying data transfer rates on a standard console in a similar fashion (the graph is not essential) ? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Barry Samuels

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Translating source code
by Paul 17 Nov '01

17 Nov '01

Hi Folks Reading through a source file in preparation to port the code, I find half the comments are in Italian (I think). My knowledge of foreign languages is worse than C++, so I ran some of it through one of the free translation sites. Barely readable, and I *think* I now understand the comments but.... /* Se e' il primo ingresso nella procedura e ho letto un solo byte, allora e' arrivato lo 0x0F di risposta all-inizializzazione del touch controlloer */ /* Sto gia' leggendo un pacchetto normale */ Fed into www.freetranslations.com and it becomes: /* If it is the first entrance in the procedure and I have read an alone one byte, then is arrived the 0x0F to answer all-inizializzazione of the touch controlloer */ /* I Am gia' reading a normal packet */ Ain't Linux fun <g> Regards, Paul.

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SE30
by Jenny_Hopkins＠toby-churchill.com 17 Nov '01

17 Nov '01

Has anyone ever heard of an SE30? It's a tiny old all-in-one mac, with monochrome display and a 40M hard drive. My bro' is interested in installing linux on it. Then using to send/ receive mail. Possible? Jen.

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Re: [Alug] How do I...
by MJ Ray 16 Nov '01

16 Nov '01

> I'm trying to parse some info into a webpage from the logfiles. > which I 'm not having too many problems with. My problem is how do I add a > <BR> at the end of each line or prevent the browser from wrapping the > text.. What language, please, or do you mean wrap='soft' on a textarea? -- MJR

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How do I...
by Simon Parkes 16 Nov '01

16 Nov '01

Hi guys.. I'm trying to parse some info into a webpage from the logfiles. which I'm not having too many problems with. My problem is how do I add a <BR> at the end of each line or prevent the browser from wrapping the text.. Simon

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Re: [Alug] Linux server distro's
by Ricardo Campos 16 Nov '01

16 Nov '01

> FYI, it is possible to get broadband connections with RJ-45 presentation, > rather than USB Yup, they've asked for RJ45 instead. > Furthermore, check with the broadband provider if you can host the specific > services you need on their network. I would guess they block port 80 (for > web servers) at a minimum. Turns out they're ditching that idea anyhoo, it's just going to be a Debian based *internal* fileserver, and a router for the broadband conn. As a side note, I have in my grubby little hands, an 18GB SCSI Hard drive and an Adaptec AHA-2940U2W SCSI card, only the connector on the HD doesn't seem to fit any of the cables we have. It's about 2 1/4 inches wide (5.5cm), and very thin. It's wider than a normal High Density Male 68 pin. Does anyone recognise this kind of connection? We have no documentation (hell, we don't even know where it came from) and it's not the normal kind of connector I'm used to! >:-/ Ricardo -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] Windows XP and Linux - dual boot
by Ricardo Campos 16 Nov '01

16 Nov '01

> Does anyone have experience in dual booting between Windows XP and Linux? I > understand it is not possible to resize a NTFS partition (so I'll have to > use partition magic to do it), but what about configuring Lilo? If it's anything like NT4/5, you'll probably need to install LILO on hda6, or wherever your root partition is. Darned NTLoader! I use xosl ( www.xosl.org ) to get round this- it's a truly lovely program, but as it's not in the least bit confusing it's not in all people tastes >;) I boot into XOSL, then choose Linux, or, if I *REALLY HAVE TO*, into Win98 or Windows 2000. The downside is that you'd need to create a partition for it lie on if your primary partition isn't FAT/FAT32(the documentation's really good but I don't have to hand). Again, Partition Magic or somesuch maybe needed. I found an article on dual booting Linux with Windows 2000 pro, and the issues surrounding NTFS and linux booting (no mention of partitioning: http://www.littlewhitedog.com/reviews_other_00011.asp Ricardo PS. I tried Windows XP at my friends house, and it gave me nightmares about giant Mickey Mouses taking over the world-they had the Bill's face and big ears. bluurgh! It really makes me want to puke! And all that registration s**t! AAAARGH!!!! Anyhoo, aren't there lots of lovely Macs at Turton? Much nicer! (When I win the lottery, I think I'll buy a G4) -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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Re: [Alug] SE30
by syd＠toufol.com 15 Nov '01

15 Nov '01

As far as I remember the SE30 was one of the early 68000 Macs. In which case probably only mklinux is likely to support it. Having said that, the SE30 is very underpowered, possibly the equivalent of a 286, and may not be particularly useful for anything. The classic all-in-one cases do make very good aquariums and plant display cases though - plenty of web sites around to help with that :) Syd >Has anyone ever heard of an SE30? It's a tiny old all-in-one mac, with >monochrome display and a 40M hard drive. >My bro' is interested in installing linux on it. Then using to send/ >receive mail. Possible? >Jen. > > >_______________________________________________ >main(a)lists.alug.org.uk >http://www.anglian.lug.org.uk/ >http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main >Unsubscribe? See message headers or the web site above!

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Thanx 4 the help
by nicky 15 Nov '01

15 Nov '01

thx 4 the help with the netwotking issue ppl. now you are going to hate me....! all i need working now is my USB. in mandrake 8.1 it is supported but i prefure mandrake 8.0 and it dose not seem to work. is there a way i could use the USB support from MDK 8.1 cd rom to alow my USB to work under MDK 8.0 i have got 2 linux books but they seem to hard to follow as they dont seem to cover what i want hardwhere wise. nicky

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RE: [Alug] Linux server distro's
by Chris Glover 15 Nov '01

15 Nov '01

Hi Ricardo, www.scan.co.uk is the URL you need. Goto products and then hard drives, and scroll down to near the bottom, you'll find it listed as a SCA to 68pin/50pin Combo Converter. Scan charge £10 for delivery, so it might be worth you're while looking at the today only page as well :-) Word of warning, Scan are great on price, but hopeless if you want to send anything back. It took a month to get some faulty Ram exchanged, but I have bought lots of other stuff with no problem. If you're interested in setting up software RAID, it's fairly easy to do. Just partition the disks you want to RAID with partition type fd (Linux RAID autodetect) and create /etc/raidtab. Mine looks like this :- raiddev /dev/md0 raid-level 0 persistent-superblock 1 chunk-size 16 nr-raid-disks 2 nr-spare-disks 0 device /dev/sda1 raid-disk 0 device /dev/sdb1 raid-disk 1 Where sda1 and sdb1 are the SCSI disks, but you can use IDE disks, or even a parallel port Zip drive (OK, I was bored!). Then type mkraid /dev/md0 then mkfs -t ext2 /dev/md0 Assuming you have the correct module for your SCSI card loaded, it should detect the raid array at boot up. If not type raidstart /dev/md0 Hope that helps Chris Chris *************************************************************************** E Mail Chris(a)glovercc.clara.co.uk WWW http://www.glovercc.clara.co.uk ICQ 18054759 Someday, we'll look back on this, laugh nervously and change the subject. -Anon > -----Original Message----- > From: Ricardo Campos [mailto:corez23@linuxmail.org] > Sent: 15 November 2001 09:07 > To: chris(a)glovercc.clara.co.uk > Subject: RE: [Alug] Linux server distro's > > > > If the connector on your SCSI drive is a very long thin one > that looks like > > a flat printer cable connector, it is probably an SCA > connector. Scan sell > > SCA to 50/68pin SCSI adapters for approx. #15 plus VAT > > You got it- I just d/l the manual from the IBM site (god bless > the internet), and indeed it appears to be an 80 pin SCA-2 > connector. Sounds just right. What's the URL for Scan ? That's an > amazing price, especially if the cables support LVD (and > apparently they don't all do that). I can't seem to find that > kind of cable elsewhere-although I've only had a cursory look for 20 mins. > > Thanks for the help! > Ricardo > -- > > Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org > > > Powered by Outblaze > >

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Linux server distro's
by Ricardo Campos 14 Nov '01

14 Nov '01

Hi all. I had an amazing time last weekend talking to some friends who are programmers. (One programs PS2 games for SONY, the other is porting "a web browser" to work on "a portable device"- all very hush-hush). Obviously, I thought- Linux needs these guys (well, guy and girl). Anyhoo, they asked me to find out some info for them in regards to Linux servers, as they are getting broadband internet soon. It's roles would be: firewall/router and MP3 file server (they also make music). I guess they may want to serve MP3's using an FTP package, and resumable downloads may be a priority, as they would be serving dial-up users. I would imagine they would use a dedicated server, of minor spec (their last one was called Plank, and in fact, really was a plank of wood with a motherboard nailed onto it!). Not sure whether it's ADSL or Cable they're going for, but I suspect that the connection will be USB, which would necessitate a higher kernel version than most reliable/stable distro's supply be default. (They have UNIX experience, compiling a new kernel shouldn't be a problem for them). Given these requirements, does anyone have any suggestions/opinions? I'm telling them to look at Smoothwall, Engarde, E-Smith, Trustix and Immunix, at the end of the day they'll have to decide... Ricardo PS. Sorry I can't change my line wrapping, I use web-based mail, although I have asked the provider if they can... -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze

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