Doh! Well trust T-Mobile, aye?.. it's pretty iritating, so there's no flash support in cupcake either?.. hmm I know (what I assume is version 2) the g2 has flash 10 support so it must be coming.. Just going to have either play the waiting game, or flash it with JesusFreke's copy, then begs the question do you trust a guy who calls himself jesusfreke haha On 17 Aug 2009, 1:43 PM, "samwise" <samwise@bagshot-row.org> wrote: Hi, Alex. I have a Vodafone HTC Magic Android phone. Fortunately, for me, it came with Cupcake (Android OS 1.5) by default, so I haven't had any of the problems you describe. Although I'm pretty sure I don't have Flash support - that's supposed to be on the way, but it's not in Cupcake out of the box. October was the last date, I remember reading ... I haven't hacked it much - I've installed some apps that weren't in the Android market but, so far, I haven't seen any real need to root it, tbh. Android is pretty flexible anyway, and does most things out of the box or with apps from the market place so I haven't felt a need to put Debian (or Ubuntu) on it. Peter. 2009/8/17 Alex Scotton <alex.scotton@gmail.com>:
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Have Vodafone knobbled the ability to use the phone as a modem?
From what I've read, I'm pretty sure you can use it as a tethered modem, yes, although it isn't officially supported.
http://forum.vodafone.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=24534 However, the fair usage policy is 500 MB so it's easy to use up your data allowance quickly.
(Obviously the Magic has it's own GPS mapping software, so in the fullness of time I expect a phone to completely replace my TomTom.)
So far, I've not been massively impressed with the TomTom-like apps in the apps marketplace. Google Maps itself isn't too bad, but it's not really trying to be TomTom.
hmm I know (what I assume is version 2) the g2 has flash 10 support so it must be coming..
I thought the G2 was what ppl were calling the HTC Magic before it was released (and officially named)? I think the HTC Hero (the upcoming third Android phone) will eventually get Flash, and that should be back-ported to the other phones (slowly - like your wait for Cupcake) eventually.
Just going to have either play the waiting game, or flash it with JesusFreke's copy, then begs the question do you trust a guy who calls himself jesusfreke haha
I really don't have much need flash - it plays youtube videos etc. out of the box, anyway. Peter.
Have Vodafone knobbled the ability to use the phone as a modem?
From what I've read, I'm pretty sure you can use it as a tethered modem, yes, although it isn't officially supported.
there's apps to tether and even make the phone itself a wifi hotspot capable of accepting multiple wifi connections and sharing the internet connection of the phone but these required the phone to be "rooted".. i.e. SuperUser access on the linux kernel
I thought the G2 was what ppl were calling the HTC Magic before it was released (and officially named)? I think the HTC Hero (the upcoming third Android phone) will eventually get Flash, and that should be back-ported to the other phones (slowly - like your wait for Cupcake) eventually.
http://www.htc.com/uk/product/hero/overview.html <-- The HTC Hero or the G2 I think.. which has the 6 desktops, flash support and the 5MP camera i think.. I'm not to bothered by the flash support, just would be cool to be constantly able to check evony ha ha (awesome game by the way www.evony.com or if you want to join the same server as me and also earn me a few credits :P alex-scotton.evony.com) I'm with T-Mobile and they seem pretty good so far, £30/month, 800 Mins, Unlimited Internet (pretty sure it's literally that, however I think they cap the speed if you go crazy), and Unlimited Texts, Free Phone... Other than of course not knowing how long it'll take for the update to come through;
So far, I've not been massively impressed with the TomTom-like apps in the apps marketplace. Google Maps itself isn't too bad, but it's not really trying to be TomTom.
This is another reason for needing the 1.5 update, being without a car I bike everywhere and currently the Google maps directions prefer to take you via Motorways (car Mode) and has no option to enter into Walking mode.. also Adding my friend whom has Google Latitude would be perfect for meeting up in remote random places..
2009/8/17 Steve Fosdick <lists@pelvoux.nildram.co.uk>:
I looked for Latitude too (after the upgrades) and did not find it, then I discovered there is an update to Maps available from Market that does seem to have it so perhaps this should have been part of 1.5 and got delayed.
Steve, that Google Maps update is intended to be a part of the next release of Android, post-Cupcake, but they wanted to get the functionality out there quicker, so they made it available via the marketplace which means nobody has to wait for the next OS release. http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google+Mobile/thread?tid=6b2c0d5872df9... 2009/8/17 Alex Scotton <alex.scotton@gmail.com>:
there's apps to tether and even make the phone itself a wifi hotspot capable of accepting multiple wifi connections and sharing the internet connection of the phone but these required the phone to be "rooted".. i.e. SuperUser access on the linux kernel
Alex, I don't think that's true of the HTC Magic on Vodafone, if you read through the link I posted. HTH, Peter.
Alex, I don't think that's true of the HTC Magic on Vodafone, if you read through the link I posted.
No a clue about the HTC Magic, but the G1 is definitely able to be tethered, because a friend does it with his laptop however he did say that it was a pointless endeavor without some sort of charge going into the laptop because the phone drains the battery (charging itself) through the USB ha ha..
I looked for Latitude too (after the upgrades) and did not find it, then I discovered there is an update to Maps available from Market that does seem to have it so perhaps this should have been part of 1.5 and got delayed.
Google Latitude, is bundled with maps, in Cupcake it replaces the "clear map" option, and becomes latitude, I've had a search or 2 on the market and no apps, theres a latitude enabler for Rooted phones but that needs the latest 1.5 update to run anyways, so that seems pretty pointless ha ha.. the WiFi router app is called "aNetShare" and requires root aswell
2009/8/18 Alex Scotton <alex.scotton@gmail.com>:
Alex, I don't think that's true of the HTC Magic on Vodafone, if you read through the link I posted.
No a clue about the HTC Magic, but the G1 is definitely able to be tethered, because a friend does it
Yep, and so can the HTC Magic. But I don't believe the phone needs to be rooted to do it, was my point. ;) Like I said, I've not actually bothered to try it myself, tho. Peter.
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 02:12:16PM +0100, Alex Scotton wrote:
Doh! Well trust T-Mobile, aye?.. it's pretty iritating, so there's no flash support in cupcake either?.. hmm I know (what I assume is version 2) the g2 has flash 10 support so it must be coming..
Just going to have either play the waiting game, or flash it with JesusFreke's copy, then begs the question do you trust a guy who calls himself jesusfreke haha
I ran the JF image on my G1 for a while and was pretty happy with it; only reason I stopped was it took him a while to do a UK Cupcake variant so I rolled my own rooted copy of that. While I haven't had to use the root functionality I figured I should take steps to keep it now in case Google decided to block it in the future. J. -- jid: noodles@jabber.earth.li Incest is best.
I ran the JF image on my G1 for a while and was pretty happy with it; only reason I stopped was it took him a while to do a UK Cupcake variant so I rolled my own rooted copy of that. While I haven't had to use the root functionality I figured I should take steps to keep it now in case Google decided to block it in the future.
So you had to root the phone before running the JF app right?.. did you follow a guide for rooting it?
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 11:34:19AM +0100, Alex Scotton wrote:
I ran the JF image on my G1 for a while and was pretty happy with it; only reason I stopped was it took him a while to do a UK Cupcake variant so I rolled my own rooted copy of that. While I haven't had to use the root functionality I figured I should take steps to keep it now in case Google decided to block it in the future.
So you had to root the phone before running the JF app right?.. did you follow a guide for rooting it?
Yes; http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Quick_Root looks to be a reasonably complete quick guide. J. -- Covered in paint and high as a kite. This .sig brought to you by the letter X and the number 48 Product of the Republic of HuggieTag
So you had to root the phone before running the JF app right?.. did you follow a guide for rooting it?
Yes;
http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Quick_Root
looks to be a reasonably complete quick guide.
J.
Ah man, you see I would do it, but so worried about breaking my 1 week old contract phone and being lumbered with a less than attractive contract on my old phone ha ha.. and also these JF Roms sounds so simple to install, but how easy are they to remove; because i've heard they block any further OTA updates, right?
Ah man, you see I would do it, but so worried about breaking my 1 week old contract phone and being lumbered with a less than attractive contract on my old phone ha ha..
and also these JF Roms sounds so simple to install, but how easy are they to remove; because i've heard they block any further OTA updates, right?
To update all and to ask a question, Firstly w00t, blummen w00t i finally got my cupcake and man have i been eating it with glee hehe secondly, I've come to realise that the google mail app fires out mails by default in HTML format, has anyone found a way around this??.. Furiously searching google for answers but all i'm getting is my question asked on loads of forums he he (without answer)
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Alex Scotton<alex.scotton@gmail.com> wrote:
... secondly, I've come to realise that the google mail app fires out mails by default in HTML format, has anyone found a way around this??.. Furiously searching google for answers but all i'm getting is my question asked on loads of forums he he (without answer)
When your writing a reply below the "To:" box next to the formating buttons is a link "« Plain Text" click it and it should just send plain text emails. At least thats been my understanding. Dennis
When your writing a reply below the "To:" box next to the formating buttons is a link "« Plain Text" click it and it should just send plain text emails. At least thats been my understanding.
On the web, yes.. however on the GMail app for the Google phone, I can't find the option and in fact now I'm pretty sure it doesn't exist at all.. So yet again forced to hit my PC to mail you guys... Could we do this the lazy way and enable HTML emails on the list ha ha.. why out of interest are they disabled anyway?..
On 03-Sep-09 12:21:54, Alex Scotton wrote:
When your writing a reply below the "To:" box next to the formating buttons is a link "« Plain Text" click it and it should just send plain text emails. At least thats been my understanding.
On the web, yes.. however on the GMail app for the Google phone, I can't find the option and in fact now I'm pretty sure it doesn't exist at all.. So yet again forced to hit my PC to mail you guys...
Could we do this the lazy way and enable HTML emails on the list ha ha.. why out of interest are they disabled anyway?..
For the following reason: <head><style>body{font-family: Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color: #ffffff;color: black;}p{margin:0px}</style></head><body id="compText">Helena Oakey wrote<br><<<<br><o:p></o:p> <p class="MsoNormal">There is some evidence from other research that a treatment examined in one of our clinical trials has a differential sex effect. I am in the process of re-examining the data for several outcomes and have fitted a model as follows: <o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">Outcome=treat+sex+treat*sex<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">Where sex=male/female , treatment=placebo/treatment<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">I would like some advice on the best way to present the results in a paper. <o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">I have read the paper by Wang et al (07) which gives guidelines for how to present the results for a subgroup analysis-but it does differ to how I initially planned to present them. I was going to present the table of probabilities (p-values for interaction and main effects) and as there were no significant interactions -the tables of main effects one for each of sex and treatment which included the RR and 95%CI or mean difference and 95%CI (dependant on the outcome). <o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">I notice in the wang et al (2007) nejm paper that they suggest that the interaction table should be presented- presumably regardless of whether an interaction is present? <o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">I would have no qualms presenting the interaction table, if the interaction was significant, but given the potential to misinterpret results from a subgroup analysis I feel a bit uncomfortable about doing this if the interaction is not significant. I am wondering what the reason behind the guidelines is. Is the suggestion to present an interaction table because in clinical trials or health science data there is more of a concern about statistical vs clinical significance than say agricultural science (which is where most of my experience lies) or is it because of a concern of lack of power or because using the title from Hubbard and Lindsay paper âp-values are not a useful measure of evidence in statistical significance testingâ and so we should present the interaction results regardless? <o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">In addition to whether I should or shouldnât present the interaction table I can see several options on how to calculate the RR/CI and am wondering whether I include contrast p-values in the interaction table- <o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">Should I present the interaction table from the full model with contrast p-values (i.e. p-values for treatment vs placebo within each sex)? <o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">Should I present the interaction table from the full model without contrast p-values? <o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">Should I present an interaction table but use the estimates from the model with just main effects present to determine the RR?<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">Any advice, comments or examples of other papers which deal appropriately with this situation would be much appreciated. <o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">I hope Iâm not being too pedantic or maybe even stupid (or both) about what I should be presenting! The only time I have presented an interaction table when it wasnât significant was when I had was investigating a factorial model with 3 terms of interest. All the three two-way interactions were significant but not the three way interaction. I presented a three-way interaction table (based on the model where I fitted the three two- way interactions) for ease of interpretations - so feel I am now in unchartered territory. <o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">There is a question that follows on from this. What about the non- subgroup analysis situation where an interaction is investigated. I am looking at another health science data set with maternal and infant outcomes where weâre interested in looking at an interaction between two terms (not a subgroup analysis situation). Is the general consensus that I should also be presenting the interaction table here again regardless of whether the interaction is significant? <o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> >>>></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>The key question is NOT whether the interaction is significant, but a) whether it is large and b) whether it is important. Since you say that other research found differences, it is important for you to present your findings about those differences, regardless of their statistical significance. How big was your interaction? Is this similar to what other research found, or is it very different? <br></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>I would therefore present the full model, with estimates of the effect sizes, and I would use the full model to calculate everything. You are only adding one variable to the equation.<br></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>I would love to suggest that you NOT include p-values, but editors may object to that ... people have been (mis)trained to look at p-values rather than the things that matter. <br></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>And the question is neither pedantic nor stupid (there are no stupid questions, right?). It's actually critical to the whole statistical enterprise.</o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>More generally than the above points - it gets at the question of how analysis should be performed. All too often, we let the statistics drag the substance along. In my view, this is silly. Statistics should be driven by substantive concerns, not vice versa. 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Flom, PhD Statistical Consultant www DOT peterflomconsulting DOT com I write some at:http://www.associatedcontent.com/user/582880/peter_flom.html I trade books at http://www.bookmooch.com/</pre> <br> ========================== Ted. For information: The email with the above was received with ONLY an HTML attachment, no plain-text equivalent; so my client (which does plain-text only) showed me the above. I have the option to open an HTML attachment in an independent browser (an old version of KDEhelp), which doesn't succeed in parsing it, so I get the same anyway ... -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding@manchester.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 03-Sep-09 Time: 22:19:27 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------
On Fri, 2009-09-04 at 10:43 +0100, Ted.Harding@manchester.ac.uk wrote:
On 03-Sep-09 12:21:54, Alex Scotton wrote:
When your writing a reply below the "To:" box next to the formating buttons is a link "« Plain Text" click it and it should just send plain text emails. At least thats been my understanding.
On the web, yes.. however on the GMail app for the Google phone, I can't find the option and in fact now I'm pretty sure it doesn't exist at all.. So yet again forced to hit my PC to mail you guys...
Could we do this the lazy way and enable HTML emails on the list ha ha.. why out of interest are they disabled anyway?..
For the following reason:
<head><style>body{font-family: Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color: #ffffff;color: black;}p{margin:0px}</style></head><body id="compText">Helena Oakey wrote<br><<<<br><o:p></o:p>
Essentially Ted is saying that a text-only e-mail reader may not be able to process HTML and thus people may be left trying to read HTML. Do we know if the Android Gmail application sends the same text as both plain and HTML as many clients do or does it just send HTML? One idea would be to have incoming mail processed so any HTML part is dropped and the plain text version used instead. I am sure I have seen some other mailing list do this. Interestingly some SPAM senders use mail with text and HTML parts where the mime headers indicate the two parts are alternatives whereas in fact the text is reasonable text designed not to alert a filter and the HTML is the real advert. Steve.
Do we know if the Android Gmail application sends the same text as both plain and HTML as many clients do or does it just send HTML?
Honestly, Not a clue, can send you an email from my android, if you'd like to investigate
One idea would be to have incoming mail processed so any HTML part is dropped and the plain text version used instead. I am sure I have seen some other mailing list do this. Interestingly some SPAM senders use mail with text and HTML parts where the mime headers indicate the two parts are alternatives whereas in fact the text is reasonable text designed not to alert a filter and the HTML is the real advert.
This would be a great idea :-) Google would certainly receive a lot less spam on their groups from me (about the android not sending non-html emails) hehe
Steve Fosdick <lists@pelvoux.nildram.co.uk> wrote:
One idea would be to have incoming mail processed so any HTML part is dropped and the plain text version used instead. I am sure I have seen some other mailing list do this. Interestingly some SPAM senders use mail with text and HTML parts where the mime headers indicate the two parts are alternatives whereas in fact the text is reasonable text designed not to alert a filter and the HTML is the real advert.
Recent versions of Mailman can drop the HTML part and use only the plain text version. I don't remember whether the one on lists.alug can. The admins could look to see if we can switch the old html moderation-hold filter into an automatic conversion... Sadly, an increasing number of newsletter sending systems use mime headers to indicate the two parts are alternatives whereas the plain text part just includes some "click here for a web page that we can track" rubbish. Buyer beware! Regards, -- MJ Ray (slef) LMS developer and webmaster at | software www.software.coop http://mjr.towers.org.uk | .... co IMO only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html | .... op
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