Hi I've just had delivered an HP 2133 with SuSE installed. I have broadband connection at home which is setup with an ADSL router so I normally just have to plug in and the connection to the internet is direct. From the console session I can see the router, I can see that I have an IP address and I can even ping google.co.uk, bbc.co.uk etc. However, I cannot use Firefox, eventually I get the timeout message. Also I cannot get online updates (I've tried apt-get update from the command line) and I cant even seem to find the icon where I register for updates. Can anyone help me please as I'm new to SuSE (I have used Ubuntu previously). Thanks -- Yvonne Everett Email: ye103910@googlemail.com
Hi, can we see the output of the route command ? Also eons ago when I used Suse the Suse firewall (a wrapper around iptables) got in my way more than once do you know if that is enabled ?
Hi Yvonne, SuSE does not use apt-get for updates. If you want to check for updates, you will need to use the Yast Online Updater (type 'you' on the command line). Alternatively, YOU can be accessed from Yast in the KDE menu. What version of SuSE are you using? What is the output of 'route'? Do you have a proxy setup in firefox? Can you try browsing with konqueror? Stuart On Tuesday 24 February 2009 22:02:09 Yvonne Everett wrote:
Hi
I've just had delivered an HP 2133 with SuSE installed. I have broadband connection at home which is setup with an ADSL router so I normally just have to plug in and the connection to the internet is direct. From the console session I can see the router, I can see that I have an IP address and I can even ping google.co.uk, bbc.co.uk etc. However, I cannot use Firefox, eventually I get the timeout message. Also I cannot get online updates (I've tried apt-get update from the command line) and I cant even seem to find the icon where I register for updates. Can anyone help me please as I'm new to SuSE (I have used Ubuntu previously).
Thanks
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Hello Thanks everyone for your responses, I've just realised that I had IPv6 enabled so I've switched that off and now I'm at work I wont be able to try disabling firewalls etc. till this evening. However, to answer some of the questions at least: What version of SuSE are you using? It came preloaded with SuSE 10.1 What is the output of route? I'll have to send that to you all tonight when I get home but it is seeing the ADSL router however Do you have a proxy setup in firefox? No, I've set to it use direct internet connection Can you try browsing with konqueror? No, its not installed and I cant get updates etc. Thanks again everyone for your suggestions, I'll be in touch again this evening when I'm back at home. Rgds Von 2009/2/25 Stuart Bailey <stuart@linusoft.co.uk>:
Hi Yvonne,
SuSE does not use apt-get for updates. If you want to check for updates, you will need to use the Yast Online Updater (type 'you' on the command line).
Alternatively, YOU can be accessed from Yast in the KDE menu.
What version of SuSE are you using? What is the output of 'route'? Do you have a proxy setup in firefox? Can you try browsing with konqueror?
Stuart
On Tuesday 24 February 2009 22:02:09 Yvonne Everett wrote:
Hi
I've just had delivered an HP 2133 with SuSE installed. I have broadband connection at home which is setup with an ADSL router so I normally just have to plug in and the connection to the internet is direct. From the console session I can see the router, I can see that I have an IP address and I can even ping google.co.uk, bbc.co.uk etc. However, I cannot use Firefox, eventually I get the timeout message. Also I cannot get online updates (I've tried apt-get update from the command line) and I cant even seem to find the icon where I register for updates. Can anyone help me please as I'm new to SuSE (I have used Ubuntu previously).
Thanks
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Hello everyone! Well I'm very pleased to say that I'm sending you this email from my new HP 2133 notebook. Switching off IPv6 was the trick to getting it all working. Thanks everyone for your help, it's much appreciated. Rgds Von 2009/2/25 Yvonne Everett <ye103910@googlemail.com>:
Hello
Thanks everyone for your responses, I've just realised that I had IPv6 enabled so I've switched that off and now I'm at work I wont be able to try disabling firewalls etc. till this evening. However, to answer some of the questions at least:
What version of SuSE are you using? It came preloaded with SuSE 10.1 What is the output of route? I'll have to send that to you all tonight when I get home but it is seeing the ADSL router however Do you have a proxy setup in firefox? No, I've set to it use direct internet connection Can you try browsing with konqueror? No, its not installed and I cant get updates etc.
Thanks again everyone for your suggestions, I'll be in touch again this evening when I'm back at home.
Rgds
Von
2009/2/25 Stuart Bailey <stuart@linusoft.co.uk>:
Hi Yvonne,
SuSE does not use apt-get for updates. If you want to check for updates, you will need to use the Yast Online Updater (type 'you' on the command line).
Alternatively, YOU can be accessed from Yast in the KDE menu.
What version of SuSE are you using? What is the output of 'route'? Do you have a proxy setup in firefox? Can you try browsing with konqueror?
Stuart
On Tuesday 24 February 2009 22:02:09 Yvonne Everett wrote:
Hi
I've just had delivered an HP 2133 with SuSE installed. I have broadband connection at home which is setup with an ADSL router so I normally just have to plug in and the connection to the internet is direct. From the console session I can see the router, I can see that I have an IP address and I can even ping google.co.uk, bbc.co.uk etc. However, I cannot use Firefox, eventually I get the timeout message. Also I cannot get online updates (I've tried apt-get update from the command line) and I cant even seem to find the icon where I register for updates. Can anyone help me please as I'm new to SuSE (I have used Ubuntu previously).
Thanks
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** Yvonne Everett <ye103910@googlemail.com> [2009-02-25 00:26]:
I've just had delivered an HP 2133 with SuSE installed. I have broadband connection at home which is setup with an ADSL router so I normally just have to plug in and the connection to the internet is direct. From the console session I can see the router, I can see that I have an IP address and I can even ping google.co.uk, bbc.co.uk etc. However, I cannot use Firefox, eventually I get the timeout message. Also I cannot get online updates (I've tried apt-get update from the command line) and I cant even seem to find the icon where I register for updates. Can anyone help me please as I'm new to SuSE (I have used Ubuntu previously). ** end quote [Yvonne Everett]
I've got one of these, and whilst the hardware is great, I'm afraid I tend to consider SuSE the worst version of Linux I've ever had the misfortune to encounter [1]. When I first started the machine I went through a registration process, but was unable to complete because I couldn't connect to my wireless network (it's going back a few months now, but iirc I didn't have an option for setting up WPA during the install). I seem to remember that there was a registration option in the control centre, but I can't find it now, so it may have been removed for some reason [2]. When I tried to use one of the various incarnations of the software installation utility it forced me through entering a registration ID and took me to a website to register. Sadly having done this on the SuSE website it took a few days before the ID became active and I could actually continue to update the sources and install any software. Once I had done this I found the range of software available sadly lacking (no sign of Thunderbird for example, just a single option for each type of application it seems). As for internet access via Firefox, I've not had to configure anything, but then my network has no proxy at the moment. [1] Oddly the switch from OS/2 and Windows to my first Linux boot (Caldera with the Looking Glass desktop iirc) was less of a culture shock than trying SuSE after using Debian/Ubuntu for the past 8 years. Maybe my expectations are higher, but for the first time using Linux I feel restricted, and after hunting round to find an easy way to install Thunderbird I finally found an RPM to download and ran into the old dependency hell that was one of the factors of my abandonment of Red Hat. [2] Reliability of this software install has not been good, and has made Windows look rock solid! I shut down the machine a while back and it locked on me (I can't think of having ever had that before on Linux, but clearly it can happen). After waiting for a long time to see if it would sort itself out the battery was about to expire, so (not having access to charging facilities since I was on the road) I was forced to power off. On booting up when I was able to again I found so many problems that I called HP and ordered an install CD so I could reinstall. The power management is no longer working; it no longer boots to a graphical login prompt (ironically I actually prefer a CLI login!); the graphics modes were lost and I needed to reconfigure X; Firefox no longer shows anything in the downloads window, and the bookmarks were gone, it often looses saved sessions now; I would say that Evolution won't start, but it never did! There are other issues, and I need to get my USB CDRW working so I can reinstall (probably with Ubuntu or Debian). I also note that, in spite of there being a custom kernel RPM available for SuSE 10 for the VIA chipset used, the install appears to be a standard SuSE 10 install with no consideration to the netbook hardware at all. Oh, and support wise (bar getting the CD) HP tell you to tall to Novell/SuSE, and Novell tell you to talk the the hardware vendor! Hardware wise it is great though - although the new Atom based version looks to address the only issues I have with the machine - plus introduce a new one, it'll be over twice what I payed for this I suspect, so wouldn't have even been in the running had it been around when I bought this one. -- Paul Tansom | Aptanet Ltd. | http://www.aptanet.com/ | 023 9238 0001 ====================================================================== Registered in England | Company No: 4905028 | Registered Office: Crawford House, Hambledon Road, Denmead, Waterlooville, Hants, PO7 6NU
So if I did want to install another version of Linux on the HP 2133, could I say attach an external USB DVD-ROM and boot from it? Has anyone else tried loading different linux versions on these, if so, how have you managed it and are there are better versions of linux for this hardware? I would be interested in any comments and opinions anyone has on this. Thanks Von 2009/2/26 Paul Tansom <paul@aptanet.com>:
** Yvonne Everett <ye103910@googlemail.com> [2009-02-25 00:26]:
I've just had delivered an HP 2133 with SuSE installed. I have broadband connection at home which is setup with an ADSL router so I normally just have to plug in and the connection to the internet is direct. From the console session I can see the router, I can see that I have an IP address and I can even ping google.co.uk, bbc.co.uk etc. However, I cannot use Firefox, eventually I get the timeout message. Also I cannot get online updates (I've tried apt-get update from the command line) and I cant even seem to find the icon where I register for updates. Can anyone help me please as I'm new to SuSE (I have used Ubuntu previously). ** end quote [Yvonne Everett]
I've got one of these, and whilst the hardware is great, I'm afraid I tend to consider SuSE the worst version of Linux I've ever had the misfortune to encounter [1].
When I first started the machine I went through a registration process, but was unable to complete because I couldn't connect to my wireless network (it's going back a few months now, but iirc I didn't have an option for setting up WPA during the install). I seem to remember that there was a registration option in the control centre, but I can't find it now, so it may have been removed for some reason [2]. When I tried to use one of the various incarnations of the software installation utility it forced me through entering a registration ID and took me to a website to register. Sadly having done this on the SuSE website it took a few days before the ID became active and I could actually continue to update the sources and install any software. Once I had done this I found the range of software available sadly lacking (no sign of Thunderbird for example, just a single option for each type of application it seems).
As for internet access via Firefox, I've not had to configure anything, but then my network has no proxy at the moment.
[1] Oddly the switch from OS/2 and Windows to my first Linux boot (Caldera with the Looking Glass desktop iirc) was less of a culture shock than trying SuSE after using Debian/Ubuntu for the past 8 years. Maybe my expectations are higher, but for the first time using Linux I feel restricted, and after hunting round to find an easy way to install Thunderbird I finally found an RPM to download and ran into the old dependency hell that was one of the factors of my abandonment of Red Hat.
[2] Reliability of this software install has not been good, and has made Windows look rock solid! I shut down the machine a while back and it locked on me (I can't think of having ever had that before on Linux, but clearly it can happen). After waiting for a long time to see if it would sort itself out the battery was about to expire, so (not having access to charging facilities since I was on the road) I was forced to power off. On booting up when I was able to again I found so many problems that I called HP and ordered an install CD so I could reinstall.
The power management is no longer working; it no longer boots to a graphical login prompt (ironically I actually prefer a CLI login!); the graphics modes were lost and I needed to reconfigure X; Firefox no longer shows anything in the downloads window, and the bookmarks were gone, it often looses saved sessions now; I would say that Evolution won't start, but it never did! There are other issues, and I need to get my USB CDRW working so I can reinstall (probably with Ubuntu or Debian). I also note that, in spite of there being a custom kernel RPM available for SuSE 10 for the VIA chipset used, the install appears to be a standard SuSE 10 install with no consideration to the netbook hardware at all. Oh, and support wise (bar getting the CD) HP tell you to tall to Novell/SuSE, and Novell tell you to talk the the hardware vendor!
Hardware wise it is great though - although the new Atom based version looks to address the only issues I have with the machine - plus introduce a new one, it'll be over twice what I payed for this I suspect, so wouldn't have even been in the running had it been around when I bought this one.
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On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 17:48 +0000, Yvonne Everett wrote:
So if I did want to install another version of Linux on the HP 2133, could I say attach an external USB DVD-ROM and boot from it? Has anyone else tried loading different linux versions on these, if so, how have you managed it and are there are better versions of linux for this hardware?
No experience of that machine but yes I'd imagine you could boot from a USB DVD Rom or use unetbootin to turn a Disto such as Ubuntu's ISO into a bootable USB stick. The ubuntu wiki has a page for your machine https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/HP2133 with installation instructions for Intrepid (although why they are not telling people to use unetbootin rather than mess about with pendrive linux I am not sure.
Well I opted to install a later version of OpenSUSE on my HP 2133 (as I'd discovered it had been delivered with SUSE 10.1, no wonder I couldn't download any updates, they're not available anymore!). I now have SUSE 11.1 running and so far am very happy with it. 2009/2/27 Wayne Stallwood <ALUGlist@digimatic.co.uk>:
On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 17:48 +0000, Yvonne Everett wrote:
So if I did want to install another version of Linux on the HP 2133, could I say attach an external USB DVD-ROM and boot from it? Has anyone else tried loading different linux versions on these, if so, how have you managed it and are there are better versions of linux for this hardware?
No experience of that machine but yes I'd imagine you could boot from a USB DVD Rom or use unetbootin to turn a Disto such as Ubuntu's ISO into a bootable USB stick.
The ubuntu wiki has a page for your machine https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/HP2133 with installation instructions for Intrepid (although why they are not telling people to use unetbootin rather than mess about with pendrive linux I am not sure.
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