[Alug]Update on story of Microsoft charging schools too much.
http://www.edp24.co.uk/content/News/story.asp?datetime=19+Jun+2003+05%3A15&t... Really long url there guys but if you trust tinyurl... http://tinyurl.com/epgo Looks like *nix is spreading around! -- (o_ - Craig Butcher //\ - IT Technician / Unix Support MTH/ENV @ UEA V_/_ - http://www.wizball.co.uk
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, Craig wrote:
http://www.edp24.co.uk/content/News/story.asp?datetime=19+Jun+2003+05%3A15&t...
Really long url there guys but if you trust tinyurl...
Looks like *nix is spreading around!
There is also a big feature in the times business section today on Linux too. Simon
On 19-Jun-03 Simon Jude wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, Craig wrote:
http://www.edp24.co.uk/content/News/story.asp?datetime=19+Jun+2003+05%3 A15&tbrand=EDPOnline&tCategory=NEWS&category=News&brand=EDPOnline&itemi d=NOED18+Jun+2003+23%3A47%3A43%3A797
Really long url there guys but if you trust tinyurl...
Well, that's very interesting! -- and I don't mean the news story (though that's also extremely interesting): I mean 'tinyurl'. How does 'tinyurl' work, then, to compress such a monster into 4 letters? Cheers, Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 167 1972 Date: 19-Jun-03 Time: 13:52:45 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------
On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 01:52:45PM +0100, Ted Harding wrote:
Well, that's very interesting! -- and I don't mean the news story (though that's also extremely interesting): I mean 'tinyurl'.
How does 'tinyurl' work, then, to compress such a monster into 4 letters?
Not sure how it actually function. Probably took such a url into its database and give the refered 'new' address. When you ask for that specific URL, it calls it up and then present the site. There are many others out there but tinyurl.com is much shorter heh. -- (o_ - Craig Butcher //\ - IT Technician / Unix Support MTH/ENV @ UEA V_/_ - http://www.wizball.co.uk
(Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> writes:
How does 'tinyurl' work, then, to compress such a monster into 4 letters?
I rather doubt there's any compression going on - just a big index, rather. If they use upper and lower case letters and digits then they'll be able to manage around 15M URLs before they have to go over 4 characters (or use a new domain). -- http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
OK, so what shall we do to reverse the British Governments' ever upward ascent of Bill Gates rear, similar to that demonstrated by President Blair on Bush? We have a Microsoft university in Cambridge only for Americans, surely that breaks discrimination laws, and the policy of only using Microsoft in schools is anti competitive and thus breaks European Law? European government's have embraced open source, but alas the UK has not. Some of the electronic voting articles I have read prove very interesting, they are not geared to Linux, but to open software so they can be scrutinised as the current voting system is, again the government is not willing to look at this. I've read the Times article - looks good, Linus does not look anywhere as stressed as gates! Perhaps Bill has been installing patches on his own PC! Get it if you can, make sure all the IT managers etc see it! Time for positive action? Suggestions anyone. I would like to start with a clearly well worded and clearly demonstrable case to remove MS Office in our schools in favor of Open Office for each MP in our area (Saving Money in education wins votes!) It should also be a short non technical non bias paper (if we can be non bias!). Then lets go for the jugular latter with Linux instead of Windows (think we need a few more revisions before we have good desktop). I'll go for a draft, but my English and spelling are crap - anyone like to take up this challenge? Neil. PS I am a government funded site running Redhat 7.3!! Don't tell them! On Thu, 2003-06-19 at 13:11, Simon Jude wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, Craig wrote:
http://www.edp24.co.uk/content/News/story.asp?datetime=19+Jun+2003+05%3A15&t...
Really long url there guys but if you trust tinyurl...
Looks like *nix is spreading around!
There is also a big feature in the times business section today on Linux too.
Simon
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On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 02:20:09PM +0100, Neil Marjoram wrote:
I would like to start with a clearly well worded and clearly demonstrable case to remove MS Office in our schools in favor of Open Office for each MP in our area (Saving Money in education wins votes!) It should also be a short non technical non bias paper (if we can be non bias!). Then lets go for the jugular latter with Linux instead of Windows (think we need a few more revisions before we have good desktop).
Excellent point. Money are disappearing so fast which always ended up in IT (Thanks microsoft for ruining education... tut tut). Linux as I think isn't quite ready for the desktop. More work is seriously needed (Okay, gnome and KDE isn't so bad but it just feels too bloated). That is just my opinion. In fact, they might as well use macs for desktop and linux for servers. Just about fits though... -- (o_ - Craig Butcher //\ - IT Technician / Unix Support MTH/ENV @ UEA V_/_ - http://www.wizball.co.uk
On 19-Jun-03 Neil Marjoram <n.marjoram@vam.ac.uk> wrote:
PS I am a government funded site running Redhat 7.3!! Don't tell them!
So RedHat-7.3 is a museum piece?! Mind you, I've got RH-7.2 on my laptop, but then I'm a dinosaur (see www.nhm.ac.uk) Ted. -------------------------------------------------------------------- E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <Ted.Harding@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 167 1972 Date: 19-Jun-03 Time: 14:30:59 ------------------------------ XFMail ------------------------------
Ted, we ain't got no dinosaurs 'ere! That's them next door. But may be able to dig up Charles Babage! Are you in the NHM? Or are you just referring to it, 'cos I need a favor from them! Neil. On Thu, 2003-06-19 at 14:30, Ted.Harding@nessie.mcc.ac.uk wrote:
On 19-Jun-03 Neil Marjoram <n.marjoram@vam.ac.uk> wrote:
PS I am a government funded site running Redhat 7.3!! Don't tell them!
So RedHat-7.3 is a museum piece?!
Mind you, I've got RH-7.2 on my laptop, but then I'm a dinosaur (see www.nhm.ac.uk)
Ted.
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On 19-Jun-03 Neil Marjoram wrote:
Ted, we ain't got no dinosaurs 'ere! That's them next door.
But may be able to dig up Charles Babage!
Are you in the NHM? Or are you just referring to it, 'cos I need a favor from them!
Only referring to it; not in it (yet). Would like to help you with your favour, but doubt I can do more than roar up their air conditioning. Ted.
Neil.
On Thu, 2003-06-19 at 14:30, Ted.Harding@nessie.mcc.ac.uk wrote:
On 19-Jun-03 Neil Marjoram <n.marjoram@vam.ac.uk> wrote:
PS I am a government funded site running Redhat 7.3!! Don't tell them!
So RedHat-7.3 is a museum piece?!
Mind you, I've got RH-7.2 on my laptop, but then I'm a dinosaur (see www.nhm.ac.uk)
Ted.
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Neil Marjoram <n.marjoram@vam.ac.uk> wrote:
Time for positive action? Suggestions anyone. [...] I'll go for a draft, but my English and spelling are crap - anyone like to take up this challenge?
Not sure if I already said this: I'll cheerfully help, but I'm snowed right now for a few weeks, so will be a little sluggish.
There's been another front page story on the EDP for those that haven't seen it. The URL is *veerrryy* long so... http://tinyurl.com/f46p or it's on the front page of edp24.co.uk ATM. Basically, the dept. of education is going to bulk buy licences and the money won't come from the school's budget. The cynic in me says that this will be used as an excuse not to increase budgets much in the next few years. Also, todays EDP has an editorial and a letter about Linux (or rather LINUX). Apologies for not getting the letter done earlier, but here goes... Dear Sir, In reply to your frontpage story and editorial from the 24th June. We feel the need to expand on what has been mentioned about Linux and the open source movement. Firstly, Linux is free. Everything, including word processors, professional quality graphics programs and tools for creating computer programs can be downloaded from the internet or obtained for little more than the price of a blank CD. It is created by thousands of dedicated people around the globe, as well as a number of large companies. Also it is more stable, secure and it is much harder for viruses to infect a machine running Linux. More importantly it works well with older computers which would also eliminate the need to constantly buy new computers to keep the latest release of windows working properly. For anybody who is interested, further information and support (including potentially visiting schools and demonstrating Linux) can be obtained from the local Linux user group at www.alug.org.uk. Sincerely, $whoever I reckon it could do with another para but I can't think of anything else that might be appropriate...anyone? ta, BenE
From: BenE on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 3:04 PM Apologies for not getting the letter done earlier, but here goes...
Dear Sir,
In reply to your frontpage story and editorial from the 24th June....
For anybody who is interested, further information and support (including potentially visiting schools and demonstrating Linux) can be obtained from the local Linux user group at www.alug.org.uk.
Sincerely,
$whoever
I reckon it could do with another para but I can't think of anything else that might be appropriate...anyone?
No I think it's about right as it is. Any longer and people won't read it. If it's printed the editor may well shorten it anyway. So IMO it's best to keep it short, sweet and to the point. :o). I'm happy to add my name to this. (And I have no comments whatsoever to add about the way mailing list replies are set up :o) ) Regards, Keith Watson ____________ Knowledge is learning something every day. Wisdom is letting go of something every day. Zen Saying
On Tuesday 24 Jun 2003 4:05 pm, Keith Watson wrote:
From: BenE on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 3:04 PM Apologies for not getting the letter done earlier, but here goes...
Dear Sir,
In reply to your frontpage story and editorial from the 24th June....
I'm happy to add my name to this.
Feel free to add my name too. Cheers, BJ
On Tuesday 24 Jun 2003 3:03 pm, BenE wrote:
Apologies for not getting the letter done earlier, but here goes...
Dear Sir,
In reply to your frontpage story and editorial from the 24th June. We feel the need to expand on what has been mentioned about Linux and the open source movement. Firstly, Linux is free. Everything, including word processors, professional quality graphics programs and tools for creating computer programs can be downloaded from the internet or obtained for little more than the price of a blank CD. It is created by thousands of dedicated people around the globe, as well as a number of large companies. Also it is more stable, secure and it is much harder for viruses to infect a machine running Linux. More importantly it works well with older computers which would also eliminate the need to constantly buy new computers to keep the latest release of windows working properly.
For anybody who is interested, further information and support (including potentially visiting schools and demonstrating Linux) can be obtained from the local Linux user group at www.alug.org.uk.
Sincerely,
$whoever
Here's my twopennyworth. I suggest make the first two sentences into one with a comma after June. Perhaps change Linux is free to Linux is free to Linux can be obtained for little or no cost. Change 'It is created by' to Linux is created by. Change 'More importantly it works well' to More importantly Linux works well (on the basis that the more times the word Linux is mentioned the more chance it has of sticking in other peoples minds). With or without these changes I am haapy to append my name to the letter. Ian
Please add my name to the letter, if I'm not too late :-) -- Tony Dietrich <td@transoft.demon.co.uk> Transoft Computer Consultants On Wed, 2003-06-25 at 18:33, Tarquin Mills wrote:
$whoever Please add Tarquin Mills (Reboot Movement,RUNG,ACCUS) I reckon it could do with another para but I can't think of anything else that might be appropriate...anyone?
On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 07:37:13AM +0100, Tony Dietrich wrote:
Please add my name to the letter, if I'm not too late :-)
Throw me in too.. sorry for not replying earlier! -- (o_ - Craig Butcher //\ - IT Technician / Unix Support MTH/ENV @ UEA V_/_ - http://www.wizball.co.uk
On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 10:24:41AM +0100, Craig wrote:
On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 07:37:13AM +0100, Tony Dietrich wrote:
Please add my name to the letter, if I'm not too late :-)
Throw me in too.. sorry for not replying earlier!
Yeah, ditto for me...! Adam -- jabberid = quinophex@jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem
Adam Bower wrote:
On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 10:24:41AM +0100, Craig wrote:
On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 07:37:13AM +0100, Tony Dietrich wrote:
Please add my name to the letter, if I'm not too late :-)
Throw me in too.. sorry for not replying earlier!
Yeah, ditto for me...!
<AOL> Me too! </AOL> -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Laurie Brown laurie@brownowl.com --------------------------------------------------------------------
And me! On Thu, 2003-06-26 at 11:01, Laurie Brown wrote:
Adam Bower wrote:
On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 10:24:41AM +0100, Craig wrote:
On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 07:37:13AM +0100, Tony Dietrich wrote:
Please add my name to the letter, if I'm not too late :-)
Throw me in too.. sorry for not replying earlier!
Yeah, ditto for me...!
<AOL>
Me too!
</AOL> -- Neil Marjoram. Unix System Manager, Victoria and Albert Museum, Cromwell Road, London.
020 7942 2342
On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 12:20:07PM +0100, Neil Marjoram wrote:
And me!
<agent smith> me, me, me *finish cloning* ...... me too </agent smith> -- (o_ - Craig Butcher //\ - IT Technician / Unix Support MTH/ENV @ UEA V_/_ - http://www.wizball.co.uk
On Thursday 19 Jun 2003 12:21 pm, Craig wrote:
http://www.edp24.co.uk/content/News/story.asp?datetime=19+Jun+2003+05%3A15& tbrand=EDPOnline&tCategory=NEWS&category=News&brand=EDPOnline&itemid=NOED18+ Jun+2003+23%3A47%3A43%3A797
Really long url there guys but if you trust tinyurl...
Looks like *nix is spreading around!
Pity they think Linux is a 'brand' which implies a *commercial* alternative. Ian
On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 03:30:29PM +0100, Ian Bell wrote:
Looks like *nix is spreading around!
Pity they think Linux is a 'brand' which implies a *commercial* alternative.
As usual, newspapers cannot get anything right.. always. -- (o_ - Craig Butcher //\ - IT Technician / Unix Support MTH/ENV @ UEA V_/_ - http://www.wizball.co.uk
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