Id love a new Mac but cant afford it.
No you don't, that's just the conditioning talking ;)
So I am looking for suggestions. It will run Ubuntu or Mint alongside Windows (for those times when you have to use Windows).
If you've had a mac for 11 years, what times do you face when need Windows? Go the whole hog, you'll love it :) Life without Gates, Jobs, or other corporate monsters with plural nouns for surnames is far shinier. In the REM sense.
It needs to be fairly small, with a built in CD drive, USB, PCMCIA slot and built in sound. I know that all sounds fairly standard but Ive had machines in the past few years without some of these.
It really needs to be at least a 1Ghz machine capable of 1GB RAM - DDR preferably but PC133 would be ok.
I bought a low-end Toshiba jobbie a while back and it's done me pretty well over the years. Anything brought out within the last 5 years or so is likely supported fairly well. I now await the reply which shoots that down ;) HTH, HAND Steve P.S. Sorry Simon, I blindly hit the reply button forgetting that I wasn't in mutt.
On 6 December 2010 09:30, Steve Engledow <steve@offend.me.uk> wrote:
Id love a new Mac but cant afford it.
No you don't, that's just the conditioning talking ;)
So I am looking for suggestions. It will run Ubuntu or Mint alongside Windows (for those times when you have to use Windows).
If you've had a mac for 11 years, what times do you face when need Windows? Go the whole hog, you'll love it :) Life without Gates, Jobs, or other corporate monsters with plural nouns for surnames is far shinier. In the REM sense.
Linus Torvalds? Oops. Tim.
On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 09:35:12 +0000, Tim Green <timothy.j.green@gmail.com> wrote:
Life without Gates, Jobs, or other corporate monsters with plural nouns for surnames is far shinier. In the REM sense.
Linus Torvalds?
Oops.
Tim.
What's a Torvald? "Good morning shopkeep; I'd like a packet of rough shag and a couple of torvalds please"
Steve Engledow wrote:
On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 09:35:12 +0000, Tim Green <timothy.j.green@gmail.com> wrote:
Life without Gates, Jobs, or other corporate monsters with plural nouns for surnames is far shinier. In the REM sense.
Linus Torvalds?
Oops.
Tim.
What's a Torvald?
"Good morning shopkeep; I'd like a packet of rough shag and a couple of torvalds please"
Torvålds are to vipe yourself down viz åfter somevon hass dousd yot viz a beuwcket of waater. -- Tony Anson www.girolle.co.uk/
Steve Most of the apps I use on my Mac are open source or cross platform. Things like Firefox, OpenOffice, Audacity I can use in Linux. However I have been learning GIMP for the past few months as there is no Photoshop for Linux and that is something I use. I suppose I could run it under some virtualised state but I am not keep on that, plus I doubt the machine I get will be majorly fast. So that is the occasion I would need to use Windows as I use it on my Mac at present. There are however times even now when I need to use Windows - even as a Mac user - such as the Sony Ericsson Software Updater. As for suggestions, yes ThinkPads are great for Linux. I had a 600 and 600E a few months ago that worked fine - except the audio which need a little tweaking - and a 240X which worked no probs with Linux - however they were all too slow to be used as an everyday machine. I am looking at P3/P4 ThinkPads like the T and X range. What ThinkPad did you get? Simon On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Steve Engledow <steve@offend.me.uk> wrote:
Id love a new Mac but cant afford it.
No you don't, that's just the conditioning talking ;)
So I am looking for suggestions. It will run Ubuntu or Mint alongside
Windows (for those times when you have to use Windows).
If you've had a mac for 11 years, what times do you face when need Windows? Go the whole hog, you'll love it :) Life without Gates, Jobs, or other corporate monsters with plural nouns for surnames is far shinier. In the REM sense.
It needs to be fairly small, with a built in CD drive, USB, PCMCIA
slot and built in sound. I know that all sounds fairly standard but Ive had machines in the past few years without some of these.
It really needs to be at least a 1Ghz machine capable of 1GB RAM - DDR preferably but PC133 would be ok.
I bought a low-end Toshiba jobbie a while back and it's done me pretty well over the years. Anything brought out within the last 5 years or so is likely supported fairly well.
I now await the reply which shoots that down ;)
HTH, HAND Steve
P.S. Sorry Simon, I blindly hit the reply button forgetting that I wasn't in mutt.
On 6 December 2010 10:53, Simon Royal <mrsimonroyal@gmail.com> wrote:
However I have been learning GIMP for the past few months as there is no Photoshop for Linux and that is something I use. I suppose I could run it under some virtualised state but I am not keep on that, plus I doubt the machine I get will be majorly fast.
Back when I was working for The Moving Picture Company, we were using Photoshop (at least the CS2 and CS3) under Linux using Wine with very little difficulty. We even had Wacom tablets working with it. Saved us a fortune in Windows licenses, although towards the end of my time there we switched the big quad core workstations over to VMware Player running Windows and divided the workstation in half - one with Windows and the other Linux - all running at the same time. Wine was stil used for the lower end workstations. Regards, Martyn
Steve Engledow wrote:
Id love a new Mac but cant afford it.
No you don't, that's just the conditioning talking ;)
*I'D* love a Mac too - there are things a Mac can do in its sleep that Linux and Windows make a banquet of. And I shall have one, if I live long enough.
So I am looking for suggestions. It will run Ubuntu or Mint alongside Windows (for those times when you have to use Windows).
If you've had a mac for 11 years, what times do you face when need Windows? Go the whole hog, you'll love it :) Life without Gates, Jobs, or other corporate monsters with plural nouns for surnames is far shinier. In the REM sense.
<mode="McEnroe> You *CANNOT* be serious! </mode> Name me one Linux program which can do what Irfanview does? Name me one Linux program which is as good as Paintshop Pro or Photoshop, and as intuitive? And don't say "The Gimp" - IMO it's a pile of poo. Which is why my notebook has its native Xandros, but my (bigger) flaptop has Debian as a main OS, but XP, so I can run proper graphics.
It needs to be fairly small, with a built in CD drive, USB, PCMCIA slot and built in sound. I know that all sounds fairly standard but Ive had machines in the past few years without some of these.
It really needs to be at least a 1Ghz machine capable of 1GB RAM - DDR preferably but PC133 would be ok.
Look at Acer. Mine's a bit elderly but it does all I want it to ATM. I've just acquired a legit XP Pro disc and I'm going to use a program (can't unforget its namee but I have its URL saved) to install just the essentials. Firing-up the XP Home (which came pre-installed) takes about three or four times longer than the full Debian package does. Existing on the state pension as I do, I don't look too closely at "Ooooh, shiny!" all singing-all-dancing hardware in case it makes me unhappy, so I couldn't recommend anything to the spec. you want.
I bought a low-end Toshiba jobbie a while back and it's done me pretty well over the years. Anything brought out within the last 5 years or so is likely supported fairly well.
I now await the reply which shoots that down ;)
You're probably right, so I'll reserve my fire for your blanket condemnation of Otherware. P.S. Sorry Simon, I blindly hit the reply button forgetting that I
wasn't in mutt.
Ha! Someone else using Thunderguts? (Can't see all the headr on this Eee unless I save it and look at it in a text editor.) -- Tony Anson www.girolle.co.uk/
On 06 Dec 12:34, Anthony Anson wrote:
Steve Engledow wrote:
Id love a new Mac but cant afford it.
No you don't, that's just the conditioning talking ;)
*I'D* love a Mac too - there are things a Mac can do in its sleep that Linux and Windows make a banquet of.
Erm, such as? Remembering that a Mac is just a piece of hardware, and is x86 based... Do you mean "there are things available in OSX that are difficult in Linux and Windows", in which case, the usual one I hear about is "networking just works, it's lovely!" right up until they hit a network that OSX doesn't know much about, or it's having an off day, or the winds blowing in the wrong direction - at which point it's a complete PITA. If it's printing, then I'm afraid that OSX is actually just using cups, and an out of the box cups on a modern linux is Damned Good at "just working".
And I shall have one, if I live long enough.
Yeah - cos you need to save for years to get the shiny machine, and then you get to consistently pay for OS upgrades because "oh, noes, this piece of software needs the latest version and I needs it, I needs it now!"
So I am looking for suggestions. It will run Ubuntu or Mint alongside Windows (for those times when you have to use Windows).
If you've had a mac for 11 years, what times do you face when need Windows? Go the whole hog, you'll love it :) Life without Gates, Jobs, or other corporate monsters with plural nouns for surnames is far shinier. In the REM sense.
<mode="McEnroe> You *CANNOT* be serious! </mode> Name me one Linux program which can do what Irfanview does? Name me one Linux program which is as good as Paintshop Pro or Photoshop, and as intuitive?
Irfanview doesn't look far different to Eye of Gnome, actually.
And don't say "The Gimp" - IMO it's a pile of poo.
That's your opinion, and you're welcome to it. It's just as intuitive as either that you've listed (i.e. not at all). Personally I can find things a hell of a lot quicker in GIMP than in PSP or Photoshop, and I used to use PSP "rather a lot".
Which is why my notebook has its native Xandros, but my (bigger) flaptop has Debian as a main OS, but XP, so I can run proper graphics.
There's a difference between "proper graphics" and "what I know how to use". But meh. Also, see inkscape, sketch, etc for vector stuff. Or Xara LX (non-free, but free to use). Cheers, -- Brett Parker http://www.sommitrealweird.co.uk/ PGP Fingerprint 1A9E C066 EDEE 6746 36CB BD7F 479E C24F 95C7 1D61
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Steve Engledow wrote: *I'D* love a Mac too - there are things a Mac can do in its sleep that Linux and Windows make a banquet of.
Erm, such as?
Remembering that a Mac is just a piece of hardware, and is x86 based...
Do you mean "there are things available in OSX that are difficult in Linux and Windows", in which case, the usual one I hear about is "networking just works, it's lovely!" right up until they hit a network that OSX doesn't know much about, or it's having an off day, or the winds blowing in the wrong direction - at which point it's a complete PITA.
If it's printing, then I'm afraid that OSX is actually just using cups, and an out of the box cups on a modern linux is Damned Good at "just working".
It's very ironic, given that CUPS was largely developed by Apple, that Macs (at least the laptops - a couple of MacBook Pros for work and my wife's white MacBook at home) are actually /harder/ to connect to a CUPS-running Linux server in order to get something to print than, say, a Linux desktop. The Mac "add printer" widget doesn't actually browse the available queues properly, and so you actually have to enter the full CUPS queue path when adding a printer (which is possibly obvious in hindsight but which took ages to figure out as it should have been able to figure this out for itself). However, and I'm certainly no Apple fanboi, the one thing I'll give Macs over other laptops OS/hardware combos (in my experience) is that they really seem to have completely sussed out sleep and hibernate - I can close the lid on my MacBook pro and open it minutes, hours or a few weeks later and it's exactly where I left it, every single time. Even if it runs out of battery it almost always manages to perfectly resume from a memory-to-disk dump when it next gets power. Mind you, this might just be a product of better modern technology - it's been a couple of years since I last tried Linux on a (new-at-the-time) laptop, and Windows (which was always traditionally rubbish at hibernate) may *finally* have sussed this out in version 7... Simon - -- ====================================================================== Simon Ransome http://nosher.net Photo RSS Feed: http://nosher.net/images/images.rss -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkz84tAACgkQ8tdcY+OcZZwzCwCgi+cFm5coLiukQT+BpcmoieIQ xsEAoOpbIujaxHaXZp0RSygk3wPSvVbv =8woy -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 01:19:12PM +0000, Simon Ransome wrote:
It's very ironic, given that CUPS was largely developed by Apple, that
Mostly "developed" in the Microsoft sense of the word ;)
Mind you, this might just be a product of better modern technology - it's been a couple of years since I last tried Linux on a (new-at-the-time) laptop, and Windows (which was always traditionally rubbish at hibernate) may *finally* have sussed this out in version 7...
Hibernate and suspend work perfectly on my Thinkpad W500 with Linux in fact, everything worked out of the with Ubuntu apart from the hard disk active protection system system which was the case of just installing 1 package. Of course, Linux and Windows would be perfect for hibernate and suspend if they had the luxury of dictating which small subset of hardware the operating systems have to run on. One thing Apple haven't sussed yet is how to release a version of Mac OS X that runs on my Thinkpad and other vendors hardware, but both Microsoft and the Linux vendors have worked out various ways of running their products on them.... Adam -- New signature required, suggestions on a post card please.
Adam Bower wrote:
One thing Apple haven't sussed yet is how to release a version of Mac OS X that runs on my Thinkpad and other vendors hardware, but both Microsoft and the Linux vendors have worked out various ways of running their products on them....
I think there might be an explanation for that... -- Tony Anson www.girolle.co.uk/
On 06 Dec 13:19, Simon Ransome wrote:
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On 06/12/2010 12:59, Brett Parker wrote:
Steve Engledow wrote: *I'D* love a Mac too - there are things a Mac can do in its sleep that Linux and Windows make a banquet of.
Erm, such as?
Remembering that a Mac is just a piece of hardware, and is x86 based...
Do you mean "there are things available in OSX that are difficult in Linux and Windows", in which case, the usual one I hear about is "networking just works, it's lovely!" right up until they hit a network that OSX doesn't know much about, or it's having an off day, or the winds blowing in the wrong direction - at which point it's a complete PITA.
If it's printing, then I'm afraid that OSX is actually just using cups, and an out of the box cups on a modern linux is Damned Good at "just working".
It's very ironic, given that CUPS was largely developed by Apple, that Macs (at least the laptops - a couple of MacBook Pros for work and my wife's white MacBook at home) are actually /harder/ to connect to a CUPS-running Linux server in order to get something to print than, say, a Linux desktop. The Mac "add printer" widget doesn't actually browse the available queues properly, and so you actually have to enter the full CUPS queue path when adding a printer (which is possibly obvious in hindsight but which took ages to figure out as it should have been able to figure this out for itself).
apt-get install avahi-daemon on the linux server, export the printer from avahi, watch as it "just works" on the mac. Mac's tend to rely on bonjour services, which are provided by avahi-daemon in linux. Does tend to make things "a lot" easier.
However, and I'm certainly no Apple fanboi, the one thing I'll give Macs over other laptops OS/hardware combos (in my experience) is that they really seem to have completely sussed out sleep and hibernate - I can close the lid on my MacBook pro and open it minutes, hours or a few weeks later and it's exactly where I left it, every single time. Even if it runs out of battery it almost always manages to perfectly resume from a memory-to-disk dump when it next gets power.
I hibernate my linux laptop twice nearly every working day, and have no issues... so, erm... ;)
Mind you, this might just be a product of better modern technology - it's been a couple of years since I last tried Linux on a (new-at-the-time) laptop, and Windows (which was always traditionally rubbish at hibernate) may *finally* have sussed this out in version 7...
The usual culprits for a failed suspend/resume in linux is bad hardware, i.e. hardware that doesn't behave as it should according to the acpi specs. There's lots of workarounds for known broken hardware these days, though, so that's getting a lot better. -- Brett Parker http://www.sommitrealweird.co.uk/ PGP Fingerprint 1A9E C066 EDEE 6746 36CB BD7F 479E C24F 95C7 1D61
BAH! Just hit 'send' innit! Sorry Brett Brett Parker wrote:
On 06 Dec 12:34, Anthony Anson wrote:
Steve Engledow wrote:
Id love a new Mac but cant afford it. No you don't, that's just the conditioning talking ;) *I'D* love a Mac too - there are things a Mac can do in its sleep that Linux and Windows make a banquet of.
Erm, such as?
Multitracking and layering music, and tweaking individual tracks for one. Also, a lot of graphics software.
Remembering that a Mac is just a piece of hardware, and is x86 based...
ITF those are a bit passé now.
Do you mean "there are things available in OSX that are difficult in Linux and Windows", in which case, the usual one I hear about is "networking just works, it's lovely!" right up until they hit a network that OSX doesn't know much about, or it's having an off day, or the winds blowing in the wrong direction - at which point it's a complete PITA.
No. Never used a network apart from connecting to wifi.
If it's printing, then I'm afraid that OSX is actually just using cups, and an out of the box cups on a modern linux is Damned Good at "just working".
Nope -I'm quite content with the abilities of both Linux and Windows (of certain flavours)
And I shall have one, if I live long enough.
Yeah - cos you need to save for years to get the shiny machine, and then you get to consistently pay for OS upgrades because "oh, noes, this piece of software needs the latest version and I needs it, I needs it now!"
What I want it for is probably developed up to the hilt anyway, and like other OSs I rarely consider 'upgrades', mainly becaus they aren't...
So I am looking for suggestions. It will run Ubuntu or Mint alongside Windows (for those times when you have to use Windows). If you've had a mac for 11 years, what times do you face when need Windows? Go the whole hog, you'll love it :) Life without Gates, Jobs, or other corporate monsters with plural nouns for surnames is far shinier. In the REM sense. <mode="McEnroe> You *CANNOT* be serious! </mode> Name me one Linux program which can do what Irfanview does? Name me one Linux program which is as good as Paintshop Pro or Photoshop, and as intuitive?
Irfanview doesn't look far different to Eye of Gnome, actually.
I'll have a look.
And don't say "The Gimp" - IMO it's a pile of poo.
That's your opinion, and you're welcome to it. It's just as intuitive as either that you've listed (i.e. not at all). Personally I can find things a hell of a lot quicker in GIMP than in PSP or Photoshop, and I used to use PSP "rather a lot".
Which is why my notebook has its native Xandros, but my (bigger) flaptop has Debian as a main OS, but XP, so I can run proper graphics.
There's a difference between "proper graphics" and "what I know how to use". But meh.
I can't remember what it was I wanted to do in Gimp some time ago - I think it was some cloning from one pic to another, but I spent an afternoon trying to get it to do it, and failed. I threw together a load of bits: 400 MHz CPU, old m/board, old HDD, installed Win 2000 and PSP 4 and did that lot faster than sraping round Gimp.
Also, see inkscape, sketch, etc for vector stuff. Or Xara LX (non-free, but free to use).
If I get round to it - or a meeting where someone has them.
Cheers,
Bottoms up! -- Tony Anson www.girolle.co.uk/
On 06 Dec 13:29, Anthony Anson wrote:
BAH! Just hit 'send' innit!
Sorry Brett
Brett Parker wrote:
On 06 Dec 12:34, Anthony Anson wrote:
Steve Engledow wrote:
Id love a new Mac but cant afford it. No you don't, that's just the conditioning talking ;) *I'D* love a Mac too - there are things a Mac can do in its sleep that Linux and Windows make a banquet of.
Erm, such as?
Multitracking and layering music, and tweaking individual tracks for one.
That's not an operating system feature, that's a software feature. And I believe that audacity is capable of this.
Also, a lot of graphics software.
ITYM "A lot of commercial graphics software", and a lot of that is down to taste.
Remembering that a Mac is just a piece of hardware, and is x86 based...
ITF those are a bit passé now.
Assuming you mean x86 is passé, I'm using x86 to cover both ix86 and x86_64 architectures. If x86_64 has suddenly become passé it's news to me.
Do you mean "there are things available in OSX that are difficult in Linux and Windows", in which case, the usual one I hear about is "networking just works, it's lovely!" right up until they hit a network that OSX doesn't know much about, or it's having an off day, or the winds blowing in the wrong direction - at which point it's a complete PITA.
No. Never used a network apart from connecting to wifi.
And it's the wifi connecting that most mac users ooooh and aaaah over at me. Until it doesn't work. I've got a slightly more complicated wireless setup on my laptop, but it does "just work", and is predicatable in what it's going to do.
If it's printing, then I'm afraid that OSX is actually just using cups, and an out of the box cups on a modern linux is Damned Good at "just working".
Nope -I'm quite content with the abilities of both Linux and Windows (of certain flavours)
And I shall have one, if I live long enough.
Yeah - cos you need to save for years to get the shiny machine, and then you get to consistently pay for OS upgrades because "oh, noes, this piece of software needs the latest version and I needs it, I needs it now!"
What I want it for is probably developed up to the hilt anyway, and like other OSs I rarely consider 'upgrades', mainly becaus they aren't...
So, you don't like security updates, then? Or ongoing security support? These are the bits that I don't like with non-free systems.
So I am looking for suggestions. It will run Ubuntu or Mint alongside Windows (for those times when you have to use Windows). If you've had a mac for 11 years, what times do you face when need Windows? Go the whole hog, you'll love it :) Life without Gates, Jobs, or other corporate monsters with plural nouns for surnames is far shinier. In the REM sense. <mode="McEnroe> You *CANNOT* be serious! </mode> Name me one Linux program which can do what Irfanview does? Name me one Linux program which is as good as Paintshop Pro or Photoshop, and as intuitive?
Irfanview doesn't look far different to Eye of Gnome, actually.
I'll have a look.
And don't say "The Gimp" - IMO it's a pile of poo.
That's your opinion, and you're welcome to it. It's just as intuitive as either that you've listed (i.e. not at all). Personally I can find things a hell of a lot quicker in GIMP than in PSP or Photoshop, and I used to use PSP "rather a lot".
Which is why my notebook has its native Xandros, but my (bigger) flaptop has Debian as a main OS, but XP, so I can run proper graphics.
There's a difference between "proper graphics" and "what I know how to use". But meh.
I can't remember what it was I wanted to do in Gimp some time ago - I think it was some cloning from one pic to another, but I spent an afternoon trying to get it to do it, and failed. I threw together a load of bits: 400 MHz CPU, old m/board, old HDD, installed Win 2000 and PSP 4 and did that lot faster than sraping round Gimp.
That's just a case of using the clone tool, from what I remember. Infact, having just tested, yup... it's "click on source image whilst holding control with the clone tool selected", followed by clicking on the destination image where you want the cloned bit to go. The button is directly available in the toolbox too. Something, many years ago, were complicated, yes. Gimp 2.6 is actually *really* rather good at doing what you'd expect.
Also, see inkscape, sketch, etc for vector stuff. Or Xara LX (non-free, but free to use).
If I get round to it - or a meeting where someone has them.
Cheers,
Bottoms up!
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On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 13:43:44 +0000, Brett Parker <iDunno@sommitrealweird.co.uk> wrote:
On 06 Dec 13:29, Anthony Anson wrote:
BAH! Just hit 'send' innit!
Sorry Brett
Brett Parker wrote:
On 06 Dec 12:34, Anthony Anson wrote:
Steve Engledow wrote:
Id love a new Mac but cant afford it. No you don't, that's just the conditioning talking ;) *I'D* love a Mac too - there are things a Mac can do in its sleep that Linux and Windows make a banquet of.
Erm, such as?
Multitracking and layering music, and tweaking individual tracks for one.
That's not an operating system feature, that's a software feature. And I believe that audacity is capable of this.
Bugger Audacity, Ardour is where it's at and it's frelling fantastic! *queue automatic response that it doesn't do MIDI /yet/* Ardour sits on top of Jack (and can take advantage of ALSA MIDI also for those applications that don't do Jack MIDI) so you can use whichever MIDI sequencer alongside Ardour and it'll be in perfect sync. When you're ready for the mixdown, simply set up (a) channel(s) in ardour to capture the output(s) of your MIDI devices(s) and you're away :) I personally like qtractor for MIDI and sometimes use hydrogen for drums - though hydrogen sucks if you like to use different time sigs. </ardourfanboi> Steve P.S. I didn't reply to Brett this time \o/
Brett Parker wrote:
On 06 Dec 13:29, Anthony Anson wrote:
BAH! Just hit 'send' innit!
Sorry Brett
Brett Parker wrote:
On 06 Dec 12:34, Anthony Anson wrote: /snip/
Remembering that a Mac is just a piece of hardware, and is x86 based... ITF those are a bit passé now.
Assuming you mean x86 is passé, I'm using x86 to cover both ix86 and x86_64 architectures. If x86_64 has suddenly become passé it's news to me.
Have I been reading too many computing mags?
Do you mean "there are things available in OSX that are difficult in Linux and Windows", in which case, the usual one I hear about is "networking just works, it's lovely!" right up until they hit a network that OSX doesn't know much about, or it's having an off day, or the winds blowing in the wrong direction - at which point it's a complete PITA.
No. Never used a network apart from connecting to wifi.
And it's the wifi connecting that most mac users ooooh and aaaah over at me. Until it doesn't work.
Huh! Nev! Are you paying attention? I go into the Fat Cat and get their key. I fire-up the Eee and it 'finds wap'. I connect to it and feed it the key. It just sits there pondering. It *SAYS* it's connecting, but it never does. That's Xandross It works on my brother's wireless, and on my bro'-in-law's. Using the flaptop (Debian), it just connects, even in the Fat Cat. Haven't tried it using windows - I tend only to use that for Irfanview.
What I want it for is probably developed up to the hilt anyway, and like other OSs I rarely consider 'upgrades', mainly becaus they aren't...
So, you don't like security updates, then? Or ongoing security support? These are the bits that I don't like with non-free systems.
Don't bother with them - they don't go online. Last time I updated AVG it took several hours, so I considered how many times I'd been online since I'd last updated it, and counting on the digits of one hand I still had four fingers and a thumb to spare... /snip/
I can't remember what it was I wanted to do in Gimp some time ago - I think it was some cloning from one pic to another, but I spent an afternoon trying to get it to do it, and failed. I threw together a load of bits: 400 MHz CPU, old m/board, old HDD, installed Win 2000 and PSP 4 and did that lot faster than sraping round Gimp.
That's just a case of using the clone tool, from what I remember.
Oh yeah?
Infact, having just tested, yup... it's "click on source image whilst holding control with the clone tool selected", followed by clicking on the destination image where you want the cloned bit to go. The button is directly available in the toolbox too.
Well, I'm sure I must have tried that *SOMETIME* during the afternoon. I trid everything else, ven going so far as to read the help^h^destructions.
Something, many years ago, were complicated, yes. Gimp 2.6 is actually *really* rather good at doing what you'd expect.
Well, my Gimp came bundled with Lenny... -- Tony Anson www.girolle.co.uk/
On 6 December 2010 15:08, Anthony Anson <tony.anson@girolle.co.uk> wrote:
Brett Parker wrote:
On 06 Dec 13:29, Anthony Anson wrote:
BAH! Just hit 'send' innit!
Sorry Brett
Brett Parker wrote:
On 06 Dec 12:34, Anthony Anson wrote:
/snip/ /snip snip/
No. Never used a network apart from connecting to wifi.
And it's the wifi connecting that most mac users ooooh and aaaah over at me. Until it doesn't work.
Huh! Nev! Are you paying attention?
I go into the Fat Cat and get their key. I fire-up the Eee and it 'finds wap'. I connect to it and feed it the key. It just sits there pondering. It *SAYS* it's connecting, but it never does. That's Xandross
It works on my brother's wireless, and on my bro'-in-law's.
Using the flaptop (Debian), it just connects, even in the Fat Cat.
Haven't tried it using windows - I tend only to use that for Irfanview.
Don't get me wrong, I am a fan of Irfanview but I fail to see what features you miss from it when running Linux. Also it's fugly.. The icons look like they were made in the 90s. :/ The only killer thing I can think it does is the batch file conversion and rename stuff but there are extremely powerful command line linux tools out there to do the same jobs. As a last resort, there's always Wine?? http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=7834 Keeping a whole Windows partition there just to use one imaging application seems like massive overkill to me. -Simon
On 6 December 2010 15:08, Anthony Anson <tony.anson@girolle.co.uk> wrote:
Brett Parker wrote:
On 06 Dec 13:29, Anthony Anson wrote:
BAH! Just hit 'send' innit!
Sorry Brett
Brett Parker wrote:
On 06 Dec 12:34, Anthony Anson wrote:
/snip/ /snip snip/
No. Never used a network apart from connecting to wifi.
And it's the wifi connecting that most mac users ooooh and aaaah over at me. Until it doesn't work.
Huh! Nev! Are you paying attention?
I go into the Fat Cat and get their key. I fire-up the Eee and it 'finds wap'. I connect to it and feed it the key. It just sits there pondering. It *SAYS* it's connecting, but it never does. That's Xandross
It works on my brother's wireless, and on my bro'-in-law's.
Using the flaptop (Debian), it just connects, even in the Fat Cat.
Haven't tried it using windows - I tend only to use that for Irfanview.
Don't get me wrong, I am a fan of Irfanview but I fail to see what features you miss from it when running Linux. Also it's fugly.. The icons look like they were made in the 90s. :/ The only killer thing I can think it does is the batch file conversion and rename stuff but there are extremely powerful command line linux tools out there to do the same jobs. As a last resort, there's always Wine?? http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=7834 Keeping a whole Windows partition there just to use one imaging application seems like massive overkill to me. -Simon p.s. sorry list admin, didn't mean to double post from my other email address:(
On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 06:34:40PM +0000, Simon Elliott wrote:
On 6 December 2010 15:08, Anthony Anson <tony.anson@girolle.co.uk> wrote:
Brett Parker wrote:
On 06 Dec 13:29, Anthony Anson wrote:
BAH! Just hit 'send' innit!
Sorry Brett
Brett Parker wrote:
On 06 Dec 12:34, Anthony Anson wrote:
/snip/ /snip snip/
No. Never used a network apart from connecting to wifi.
And it's the wifi connecting that most mac users ooooh and aaaah over at me. Until it doesn't work.
Huh! Nev! Are you paying attention?
I go into the Fat Cat and get their key. I fire-up the Eee and it 'finds wap'. I connect to it and feed it the key. It just sits there pondering. It *SAYS* it's connecting, but it never does. That's Xandross
It works on my brother's wireless, and on my bro'-in-law's.
Using the flaptop (Debian), it just connects, even in the Fat Cat.
Haven't tried it using windows - I tend only to use that for Irfanview.
Don't get me wrong, I am a fan of Irfanview but I fail to see what features you miss from it when running Linux. Also it's fugly.. The icons look like they were made in the 90s. :/
The only killer thing I can think it does is the batch file conversion and rename stuff but there are extremely powerful command line linux tools out there to do the same jobs.
Surely Digikam can do batch things? I'm not familiar with irfanview so maybe it does things that Digikam can't, but I'll bet there's things the other way around as well.
As a last resort, there's always Wine?? http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=7834 Keeping a whole Windows partition there just to use one imaging application seems like massive overkill to me.
-Simon
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Oops! Done it again again. Simon Elliott wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I am a fan of Irfanview but I fail to see what features you miss from it when running Linux. Also it's fugly.. The icons look like they were made in the 90s. :/
Just about everything - the 'adjust colours' pane with the slidey red, green and blue density adjustors, brightness, gamma correction, saturation, along with its two comparative thumbnails, the 'apply to original' facility, and the lovely jpeg percentage saturation pane which appears when you choose 'save as', and that's just *ONE* function from the drop-down menu under 'Image' The list of things bundled in the program is just too long to deal with in one emu, but I haven't found any similar program, let alone one I like. With the size of modern HDDs it's well worth having a separate Windows partition just for Irfanview IMO. And with a sawn-off version, I don't think there's much to be gained from running programs in Wine. I looked at Virtual box, VM Ware and others, and I see little advantage running those when today's boxen are so fast, and AFAICS there's little or no advantage in space-saving with the latter two. Unless - will VB or VM play nicely with CP/M?
The only killer thing I can think it does is the batch file conversion and rename stuff but there are extremely powerful command line linux tools out there to do the same jobs.
Prolly - but I seldom use those anyway. I do like the facility where you can reduce the size of the pics as well as the content, and import a series into an animated GIF, and make it run forwards, backwards and/or onandonandonandon until you stop it. I'm happy with what it does, and see no merit in learning half a dozen different apps to cover the field which one covers by itself, The only thing I'd like it to have is a means of adding graphics. There's probably an add-on for that, but I haven't looked - I just open PSP and do it with that. Oh, and the range of filetypes which Irfanview will handle and convert to is better than any other program I've come across.
As a last resort, there's always Wine?? http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=7834 Keeping a whole Windows partition there just to use one imaging application seems like massive overkill to me.
ATM it's just Irfanview and an old Paintshop Pro, but when I get round to it, there will be a very recent Photoshop. You'll have to work *VERY* hard to convince me that there's a better way than I'm using ATM - well - when I've installed a cut-down XP Pro. -- Tony Anson www.girolle.co.uk/
On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 07:28:19PM +0000, Anthony Anson wrote:
I'm happy with what it does, and see no merit in learning half a dozen different apps to cover the field which one covers by itself, The only thing I'd like it to have is a means of adding graphics. There's probably an add-on for that, but I haven't looked - I just open PSP and do it with that.
Oh, and the range of filetypes which Irfanview will handle and convert to is better than any other program I've come across.
When reading this I could have been mistaken thinking you were talking about ImageMagick. Adam -- New signature required, suggestions on a post card please.
On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 19:35:33 +0000 Adam Bower <adam@thebowery.co.uk> allegedly wrote:
When reading this I could have been mistaken thinking you were talking about ImageMagick.
At last. Someone has mentioned it. :-) Mick --------------------------------------------------------------------- The text file for RFC 854 contains exactly 854 lines. Do you think there is any cosmic significance in this? Douglas E Comer - Internetworking with TCP/IP Volume 1 http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc854.txt ---------------------------------------------------------------------
On 06 Dec 20:04, mick wrote:
On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 19:35:33 +0000 Adam Bower <adam@thebowery.co.uk> allegedly wrote:
When reading this I could have been mistaken thinking you were talking about ImageMagick.
At last. Someone has mentioned it.
I was waiting patiently... imagemagick is of the fantastic - but possibly less so for those not willing to learn the command line syntax of it, or infact change any of thier working practices, and suggest that running windows for paintshop pro and irfanview on a linux/open source mailing list is a good way to look... ;) Lalala, fingers in ears, -- Brett Parker http://www.sommitrealweird.co.uk/ PGP Fingerprint 1A9E C066 EDEE 6746 36CB BD7F 479E C24F 95C7 1D61
Bah! Done it again. really must unforget to disunremember to change To: to ALUG *FIRST*! Brett Parker wrote:
On 06 Dec 20:04, mick wrote:
On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 19:35:33 +0000 Adam Bower <adam@thebowery.co.uk> allegedly wrote:
When reading this I could have been mistaken thinking you were talking about ImageMagick.
At last. Someone has mentioned it.
I was waiting patiently... imagemagick is of the fantastic - but possibly less so for those not willing to learn the command line syntax of it, or infact change any of thier working practices, and suggest that running windows for paintshop pro and irfanview on a linux/open source mailing list is a good way to look... ;)
Lalala, fingers in ears,
What's that? I can't hear you when I've got my fingers in my ears... <taps on shoulder> Will it be bundled-in with Lenny's pile of CDs? </taps> (They're hiding somewhere - they were in a carrybag hanging on the wardrobe behind some other things, but ) -- Tony Anson www.girolle.co.uk/
Anthony Anson wrote:
Bah! Done it again. really must unforget to disunremember to change To: to ALUG *FIRST*!
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On 07/12/10 15:38, MJ Ray wrote:
You could upgrade to Thunderbird 3 or later. It supports mailing lists.
Unless you're "lucky" enough to have your list email delivered via an Exchange Server, it seems.... :-( -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0844 251 1450 Registered in England (0456 0902) @ 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG
Mark Rogers wrote:
On 07/12/10 15:38, MJ Ray wrote:
You could upgrade to Thunderbird 3 or later. It supports mailing lists.
Unless you're "lucky" enough to have your list email delivered via an Exchange Server, it seems.... :-(
Seriously? Does Exchange Server strip some List-* headers? That would stink. Regards, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op. Webmaster, Debian Developer, Past Koha RM, statistician, former lecturer. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire for various work http://www.software.coop/products/
On 07/12/10 16:00, MJ Ray wrote:
Seriously? Does Exchange Server strip some List-* headers? That would stink.
This email (the one I'm replying to) had the following. Should there be others? List-Help: <mailto:main-request@lists.alug.org.uk?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main>, <mailto:main-request@lists.alug.org.uk?subject=subscribe> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/options/main>, <mailto:main-request@lists.alug.org.uk?subject=unsubscribe> -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0844 251 1450 Registered in England (0456 0902) @ 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG
On 07/12/10 16:00, MJ Ray wrote:
Seriously? Does Exchange Server strip some List-* headers? That would stink.
This email (the one I'm replying to) had the following: List-Help: <mailto:main-request@lists.alug.org.uk?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/main>, <mailto:main-request@lists.alug.org.uk?subject=subscribe> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.alug.org.uk/mailman/options/main>, <mailto:main-request@lists.alug.org.uk?subject=unsubscribe> I just checked an email before it hit Exchange, and it stripped List-Id: List-Archive: List-Post: So, yes it appears that some List-* headers get removed. -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0844 251 1450 Registered in England (0456 0902) @ 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG
No - it wasn't deliberate. I think I'm suffering from Dutch Cow disease or something. MJ Ray wrote:
Anthony Anson wrote:
Bah! Done it again. really must unforget to disunremember to change To: to ALUG *FIRST*!
You could upgrade to Thunderbird 3 or later. It supports mailing lists.
Similarly, List-Post support has been added in Roundcube 0.5.
At last, this problem is being solved!
Yup - I shall be playing with TB3 on the flaptop - but before I am converted the Leetkey workround has to function. I'm looking for an alternative for news too - one that has a crosspost filter... -- Tony Anson www.girolle.co.uk/
On 06/12/10 15:08, Anthony Anson wrote:
Brett Parker wrote:
On 06 Dec 13:29, Anthony Anson wrote:
No. Never used a network apart from connecting to wifi.
And it's the wifi connecting that most mac users ooooh and aaaah over at me. Until it doesn't work.
Huh! Nev! Are you paying attention? Uh! wh! wot? did some body speak?
I go into the Fat Cat and get their key. I fire-up the Eee and it 'finds wap'. I connect to it and feed it the key. It just sits there pondering. It *SAYS* it's connecting, but it never does. That's Xandross
It works on my brother's wireless, and on my bro'-in-law's.
Using the flaptop (Debian), it just connects, even in the Fat Cat.
Fat cat's a pain. I've had trouble connecting there but took the flaptop all round Scotland earlier this year and connected to dozens of wifi APs no bother. I was v grateful to see your Eee not working as it convinced me not to buy one. (got a samsung i600 phone instead for £40 and that 'just works'). -- nev
nev young wrote:
I was v grateful to see your Eee not working as it convinced me not to buy one. (got a samsung i600 phone instead for £40 and that 'just works').
I must say though, that it's the only wifi I've met that it won't play with. Every other one 'just works' too. -- Tony Anson www.girolle.co.uk/
On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 12:59:23PM +0000, Brett Parker wrote:
If it's printing, then I'm afraid that OSX is actually just using cups, and an out of the box cups on a modern linux is Damned Good at "just working".
I second that opinion, it's *far*, *far* easier setting up printers on Linux than on anything else nowadays. -- Chris Green
Hi I had the need to install a new printer the other week in Mac OSX 10.4, Ubuntu 10.04 and Windows XP. It was an Epson R300. Windows XP was ok but it required drivers and additional software to be downloaded. Mac OSX required driver downloading and it was a really pain to set up. I had to install it twice. Ubuntu was a breeze. Plugged it in and the damn thing worked within a minute or so. No driver download. Amazing. Simon On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Chris G <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 12:59:23PM +0000, Brett Parker wrote:
If it's printing, then I'm afraid that OSX is actually just using cups, and an out of the box cups on a modern linux is Damned Good at "just working".
I second that opinion, it's *far*, *far* easier setting up printers on Linux than on anything else nowadays.
-- Chris Green
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On 06 Dec 13:48, Chris G wrote:
On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 12:59:23PM +0000, Brett Parker wrote:
If it's printing, then I'm afraid that OSX is actually just using cups, and an out of the box cups on a modern linux is Damned Good at "just working".
I second that opinion, it's *far*, *far* easier setting up printers on Linux than on anything else nowadays.
As a side line to this... the office I'm currently in has a Brother network printer/scanner - and it appears that brother have actually made linux device drivers for it... worryingly they even work. It'd be nice if they weren't non-free, but it took me less time to download the .debs from the Brother site and install them than it did for $cow_orker using windows to get it to work. The times, they are a changing :) -- Brett Parker http://www.sommitrealweird.co.uk/ PGP Fingerprint 1A9E C066 EDEE 6746 36CB BD7F 479E C24F 95C7 1D61
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