When I log on (using Gnome - to start with, anyway) I'm asked for username and password, both of which I've remembered this time - certain listmembers will know why (!), I can get into the program, and following yesterday's help, I can now get out of it without a parachute. Q: If I need to get in as root, do I type 'root' instead of username? Q: Under what circumstances might I need to go rooting? Q: I fired Wine up yesterday and it demanded a Windows program to play with, and sulked because the one I had in mind was in the CD romdrive waiting to be installed. How should I set about installing the program, where should I put it, and how? (It's my internet software, and someone has reported that it runs under Wine. If it does, expect me to lay down a barrage of questions about modems and error messages. And Syd, I really will try to get most of the answers off that CD you kindly sent me, honest I will.) -- Tony http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/
On 2003-11-25 14:22:36 +0000 Anthony Anson <tony.anson@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
When I log on (using Gnome - to start with, anyway) I'm asked for username and password, both of which I've remembered this time - certain listmembers will know why (!), I can get into the program, and following yesterday's help, I can now get out of it without a parachute.
Q: If I need to get in as root, do I type 'root' instead of username?
If you need root, the usual way is to log in to gnome as usual, then su -m from a terminal window and run anything you need from there.
Q: Under what circumstances might I need to go rooting?
Installing new or updated software, changing system configuration files, that sort of thing
Q: I fired Wine up yesterday and it demanded a Windows program to play with, and sulked because the one I had in mind was in the CD romdrive waiting to be installed.
Was the cdrom drive mounted? Does wine know about the CDROM drive?
How should I set about installing the program, where should I put it, and how? (It's my internet software, and someone has reported that it runs under Wine. If it does, expect me to lay down a barrage of questions about modems and error messages. And Syd, I really will try to get most of the answers off that CD you kindly sent me, honest I will.)
Right - for installing things in wine... (1) you don't need to be root (2) make sure wine is configured to have that path mapped to a drive letter (this is in ~/.winerc or ~/.wine/config, usually, and you can edit that with your favourite text editor... or... use wineconfig, which should probably be installed) (3) wine /the/path/to/the/setup/file (4) sacrifice a goat or two in front of the machine That should just about cover it :) Brett.
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On 2003-11-25 14:22:36 +0000 Anthony Anson <tony.anson@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
Q: If I need to get in as root, do I type 'root' instead of username?
If you need root, the usual way is to log in to gnome as usual, then su -m from a terminal window and run anything you need from there.
Noted, thanks.
Q: Under what circumstances might I need to go rooting?
Installing new or updated software, changing system configuration files, that sort of thing
Just checking..... I think I'm getting the hang of the Linux æthos.
Q: I fired Wine up yesterday and it demanded a Windows program to play with, and sulked because the one I had in mind was in the CD romdrive waiting to be installed.
Was the cdrom drive mounted? Does wine know about the CDROM drive?
I tried: 'mount /cdrom' (without 's) while in the terminal and it didn't want to know. It had been running 'cos it loaded Wine, so it serpently works. I closed the terminal and tried it with Wine not (allegedly) running/mounted/in the way and it still didn't want to know. I can't remember what it said, but IIRC it was a bad command thingy. Armed with this new skulduggery, I'll try again.
How should I set about installing the program, where should I put it, and how? (It's my internet software, and someone has reported that it runs under Wine. If it does, expect me to lay down a barrage of questions about modems and error messages. And Syd, I really will try to get most of the answers off that CD you kindly sent me, honest I will.)
Right - for installing things in wine... (1) you don't need to be root
Good <g>
(2) make sure wine is configured to have that path mapped to a drive letter (this is in ~/.winerc or ~/.wine/config, usually, and you can edit that with your favourite text editor... or... use wineconfig,
Er, I don't know any text editors except <blush> Notepad and Wormpad so I don't have a favourite. </blush> Yet.
which should probably be installed)
Probably. The words 'haystack', 'needle', 'fumble' and 'dark' keep suggesting themselves to me for some unaccountable reason.
(3) wine /the/path/to/the/setup/file
I think I'll hang fire on this one till I've had a good browse through Oh Really? It's impatience really - Christmas pressies syndrome, seasonally adjusted.
(4) sacrifice a goat or two in front of the machine
Ah, now this I understand. Burn some special incense too, I wouldn't wonder.......
That should just about cover it :)
Yes, well, er, thanks. If you hear loud wailings and the gnashing of teeth coming from the Wymondham/Long Stratton/Diss/Attleborough quadrilateral you'll guess what's happened. Thanks for the response. I think I'll go and lie down for a bit. -- Tony http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/
On Tuesday 25 November 2003 16:11, Anthony Anson wrote: (snip)
Yes, well, er, thanks. If you hear loud wailings and the gnashing of teeth coming from the Wymondham/Long Stratton/Diss/Attleborough quadrilateral you'll guess what's happened.
Keep the noise down; some of us are trying to sleep. -- GT (Wymondham Town Centre resident. Willing to join up to jointly bang heads against screens.)
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On Tuesday 25 November 2003 16:11, Anthony Anson wrote:
(snip)
Yes, well, er, thanks. If you hear loud wailings and the gnashing of teeth coming from the Wymondham/Long Stratton/Diss/Attleborough quadrilateral you'll guess what's happened.
Keep the noise down; some of us are trying to sleep.
I've been a bit busy attending to RL® this afternoon, but I'll try to remember to face out towards Diss so I don't disturb you too much - I reached that state at around four this morning and then had a brainwave. Went to bed.
(Wymondham Town Centre resident. Willing to join up to jointly bang heads against screens.)
I say old chap, that's jolly decent of you. <aside> BRETT! Don't you *DARE* warn him about my level of competence! </aside> It's complaining about my SCSI card now, too. -- Tony http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/
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On Tuesday 25 November 2003 16:11, Anthony Anson wrote: I say old chap, that's jolly decent of you.
<aside> BRETT! Don't you *DARE* warn him about my level of competence! </aside>
What? I'm not allowed to tell him you're a guru? damn ;) Brett.
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Anthony Anson <tony.anson@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
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On Tuesday 25 November 2003 16:11, Anthony Anson wrote: I say old chap, that's jolly decent of you.
<aside> BRETT! Don't you *DARE* warn him about my level of competence! </aside>
What? I'm not allowed to tell him you're a guru? damn ;)
You can go off some people sooooooooo quickly......... -- Tony http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/
On Tuesday 25 November 2003 19:24, Anthony Anson wrote: (snip)
(Wymondham Town Centre resident. Willing to join up to jointly bang heads against screens.)
I say old chap, that's jolly decent of you.
Enough of the "old" (how did you find out?) As for levels of competence, after "using" Linux for about 5 years it was only yesterday I finally managed to move a couple of centuries of accumulated emails from Outlock Excess to KMail and actually leave Windoze switched off for 24 hours. Impressively slow rate of progress, doncha think? Which for reasons I can't fathom reminds me of the following: "A generalist (e.g. a manager) starts by knowing a little about a lot, and goes on learning less about more until he ends up knowing nothing about everything. Whereas, An expert starts off knowing a lot about a little, and goes on learning more about less until he ends up knowing everything about nothing." -- GT
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On Tuesday 25 November 2003 19:24, Anthony Anson wrote:
/snip of (snip)/
(Wymondham Town Centre resident. Willing to join up to jointly bang heads against screens.)
I say old chap, that's jolly decent of you.
Enough of the "old" (how did you find out?)
If I climb on my roof with a telescope......
As for levels of competence, after "using" Linux for about 5 years it was only yesterday I finally managed to move a couple of centuries of accumulated emails from Outlock Excess to KMail and actually leave Windoze switched off for 24 hours. Impressively slow rate of progress, doncha think? Which for reasons I can't fathom reminds me of the following:
Nope. I think you're a dead cert for the Shed. The main concern of Sheddi is that they may happen upon a pile of round tuits. Our main aim though is to find one just large enough to attend to the pouring and quaffing of a glass of BA. About 270 days ago (Debian was counting them, I wasn't) I learnt a little bit about how to do Things in Debian. By last Sunday I had forgotten nearly everything I knew about using the OS, and that was little enough.
"A generalist (e.g. a manager) starts by knowing a little about a lot, and goes on learning less about more until he ends up knowing nothing about everything.
Whereas,
An expert starts off knowing a lot about a little, and goes on learning more about less until he ends up knowing everything about nothing."
Yes. Now me, I have this knack of losing things somewhere in my head. It's not anything recent: aged nine and at boarding school my nickname was 'Professor' owing to exploits such as wandering the corridors of the establishment looking for my class. Why didn't I know where I should be? Simple. I couldn't remember which day of the week it was. Well, that was a year or two ago (Shaddap!) and I think it's about time I er, what was I saying? -- Tony http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/
On 2003-11-25 14:40:01 +0000 Brett Parker <brettp@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
Right - for installing things in wine...
Yikes! Brett, can you demo that at the next Sunday meeting? If you've not got an easily moveable machine, I can install free software on my laptop if you tell me what is needed. -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only and possibly not of any group I know. Please http://remember.to/edit_messages on lists to be sure I read http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ gopher://g.towers.org.uk/ slef@jabber.at Creative copyleft computing services via http://www.ttllp.co.uk/
On 2003-11-26 11:06:33 +0000 MJ Ray <mjr@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
On 2003-11-25 14:40:01 +0000 Brett Parker <brettp@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
Right - for installing things in wine...
Yikes! Brett, can you demo that at the next Sunday meeting? If you've not got an easily moveable machine, I can install free software on my laptop if you tell me what is needed.
Would be almost happy to, but my experience with wine is somewhat chequered, and, erm, to tell the truth, I know the thoery, but the practise is generally not so nice ;) As far as I can remember, the only thing I got working nicely was solitaire. There's a strange crew that swear by the (non-free and entirely evil wine based) CrossOver Office. I'll see if I can play sometime this week... but I dunno if I'll get time. On a different note.... *YAY* I can edit Chinese UTF-8, and almost see all the characters :) Brett.
On 2003-11-26 14:58:22 +0000 MJ Ray <mjr@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
On 2003-11-26 11:17:55 +0000 Brett Parker <brettp@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
*YAY* I can edit Chinese UTF-8, and almost see all the characters :)
Can you explain how you got there? I seem to go through similar trial-and-error on each machine.
Wellllll... it went something like this.... (1) set up every locale on the planet (though I really only needed en_GB.utf-8) (2) install every claimed unicode or chinese font sitting in debian (3) install Yudit (weird editor, but it works) (4) Resort back down to Moz 1.5 and install the Chinese language packs (5) Dance a happy dance when it finally worked I think that's about how it worked, was a miracle :) (and no goat sacrifices!) Brett.
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On 2003-11-25 14:40:01 +0000 Brett Parker <brettp@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
Right - for installing things in wine...
Yikes! Brett, can you demo that at the next Sunday meeting? If you've not got an easily moveable machine, I can install free software on my laptop if you tell me what is needed.
Next meeting round at mine.......... I can probably find another chair. -- Tony http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/
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On 2003-11-26 12:05:06 +0000 Anthony Anson <tony.anson@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
Next meeting round at mine.......... I can probably find another chair.
Is the beer ready?
I'm just quaffing tea wine ATTM. I'll report on the beer as soon as I get my siphon tube back here: the eight gallon glass bottle is a bit big to drink at one sitting, and rather cumbersome to pour. It's only *JUST* frémissant, so ready to put into smaller bottles. Realistically, it should be fizzed-up by Christmas. -- Tony http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/
On Wednesday 26 November 2003 18:27, Anthony Anson wrote:
I'll report on the beer as soon as I get my siphon tube back here: the eight gallon glass bottle is a bit big to drink at one sitting
Pfffft...If you say so
, and rather cumbersome to pour.
A fair point.
Realistically, it should be fizzed-up by Christmas.
Hey has anyone intruduced our friendly new member to one of the lesser known but essential requirements for being subscribed to this list.. You see Anthony, you have to give something to the community...or in fact something to each member of the list. Somebody back me up here, let's do the maths 8 gallons minus a pint or two for Anthony to keep for himself, divide the rest by the number of ALUG members...........
On Wednesday 26 November 2003 11:31 pm, Wayne Stallwood wrote:
Somebody back me up here, let's do the maths 8 gallons minus a pint or two for Anthony to keep for himself, divide the rest by the number of ALUG members...........
One each. -- "To err is human...to really f*** things up requires the root password."
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On Wednesday 26 November 2003 18:27, Anthony Anson wrote:
I'll report on the beer as soon as I get my siphon tube back here: the eight gallon glass bottle is a bit big to drink at one sitting
Pfffft...If you say so
It might be somewhere in the region of 10% ABV......
, and rather cumbersome to pour.
A fair point.
Realistically, it should be fizzed-up by Christmas.
Hey has anyone intruduced our friendly new member to one of the lesser known but essential requirements for being subscribed to this list..
You see Anthony, you have to give something to the community...or in fact something to each member of the list.
Somebody back me up here, let's do the maths 8 gallons minus a pint or two for Anthony to keep for himself, divide the rest by the number of ALUG members...........
<note left next to unattended pint> I spat in it <addition to note> So did I -- Tony http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/
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