I'll have a little look into tonight. One more thing... now when I do a shutdown it gets to power down but doesn't. Anyone any idea about this? DeadRat always got this so I never looked into it b4. My biggest worry b4 beginning was being able to keep my existing /home partition with a minimum of fuss, while re-initialising / and swap (didn't fancy doing this with disk-druid), but didn't reckon on debians installer making complete sense of the existing partitioning, offering to mount hda2 as root and re-init, mount hda6 as tmp and re-init, mount hda5 as /home (pick from a list) and treat as pre-inited. Splendid. The whole painless affair was over in minutes and I was left to start getting the thing to work as I wanted. Straight into dselect and whoaaaaaaaaH! I was still awake selecting and installing packages at 2:00 am (that's when I dropped a major cobble in dselect and effectively re-wrote /etc/apt/sources.list - though I didn't know it was that file at the time). I had always intended to go to debian - being what I would consider a 'true to the spirit' distro, but I knew it wasn't the most user-piss-easy of systems to get going. Still got to get X working (nothing fancy in the hardware dept though) and my winmodem!! (Intel Ham56k -nee Ambient) got the driver source for it, shouldn't be too difficult. In fact (brainwave occuring) I remember posting the instructions for doing this to ALUG in the past... hmmmmm time to get looking through those archives again. Anyway, cheers guys, I should make syleham this month, although hopefully to show off a spanking debian setup rather than looking for a fixer.... time will tell which it is to be. Best Regards Earl