I've set up a wiki for us to make a start on brainstorming the documentation for the proposed rewrite as Wiki::Toolkit. It's currently at
http://the.earth.li/~kake/cgi-bin/wiki-toolkit/wiki.cgi
(but this will change. Earle has registered the wiki-toolkit.org domain and Martin has offered to host the domain and hence the wiki. Can you two figure out between you what still needs to be done there?)
In the meantime, please get stuck in to the docs on the wiki. The default formatter for discussion etc pages is UseMod, and the documentation pages are done in POD.
If you want the wiki to be different in some way, or find something broken in it, please let me know.
If this isn't what the people who were wanting a wiki for development were actually wanting, then again let me know.
I don't plan to start programming yet; I want some consensus (via the docs on the wiki) of what the API should be first.
Kake
Hi all, I can confirm that the said account is now set up. Kate now has control!
Cheers, Martin
-- Martin@Cleaver.org
=-----Original Message----- =From: Kate L Pugh [mailto:kake@earth.li] =Sent: Thursday, 9 October 2003 1:09 PM =To: cgi-wiki-dev@earth.li =Subject: [cgi-wiki-dev] Wiki::Toolkit = =I've set up a wiki for us to make a start on brainstorming the =documentation for the proposed rewrite as Wiki::Toolkit. It's =currently at = = http://the.earth.li/~kake/cgi-bin/wiki-toolkit/wiki.cgi = =(but this will change. Earle has registered the wiki-toolkit.org domain = and Martin has offered to host the domain and hence the wiki. Can you = two figure out between you what still needs to be done there?) = =In the meantime, please get stuck in to the docs on the wiki. The =default formatter for discussion etc pages is UseMod, and the =documentation pages are done in POD. = =If you want the wiki to be different in some way, or find something =broken in it, please let me know. = =If this isn't what the people who were wanting a wiki for development =were actually wanting, then again let me know. = =I don't plan to start programming yet; I want some consensus (via the =docs on the wiki) of what the API should be first. = =Kake = =-- =http://www.earth.li/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cgi-wiki-dev
All, Not sure which direction you want to aim in, Kate, but I've added Storage and Formatter hierarchies to the outline on the home page. I noted Cgi::Wiki already has a hierarchy so I've sketched Search and Setup into it as well.
Cheers, Martin.
-- Martin@Cleaver.org - +1 416 832 7759 Melbourne Business School FT 2004 MBA Exchange Participant to Rotman
=-----Original Message----- =From: Martin@Cleaver.org [mailto:Martin@Cleaver.org] =Sent: Thursday, 9 October 2003 9:47 PM =To: cgi-wiki-dev@earth.li =Subject: RE: [cgi-wiki-dev] Wiki::Toolkit = =Hi all, = I can confirm that the said account is now set up. Kate now has control! = =Cheers, = Martin = =-- =Martin@Cleaver.org = = ==-----Original Message----- ==From: Kate L Pugh [mailto:kake@earth.li] ==Sent: Thursday, 9 October 2003 1:09 PM ==To: cgi-wiki-dev@earth.li ==Subject: [cgi-wiki-dev] Wiki::Toolkit == ==I've set up a wiki for us to make a start on brainstorming the ==documentation for the proposed rewrite as Wiki::Toolkit. It's ==currently at == == http://the.earth.li/~kake/cgi-bin/wiki-toolkit/wiki.cgi == ==(but this will change. Earle has registered the wiki-toolkit.org domain == and Martin has offered to host the domain and hence the wiki. Can you == two figure out between you what still needs to be done there?) == ==In the meantime, please get stuck in to the docs on the wiki. The ==default formatter for discussion etc pages is UseMod, and the ==documentation pages are done in POD. == ==If you want the wiki to be different in some way, or find something ==broken in it, please let me know. == ==If this isn't what the people who were wanting a wiki for development ==were actually wanting, then again let me know. == ==I don't plan to start programming yet; I want some consensus (via the ==docs on the wiki) of what the API should be first. == ==Kake == ==-- ==http://www.earth.li/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cgi-wiki-dev = = =-- =http://www.earth.li/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cgi-wiki-dev
On Fri 10 Oct 2003, Martin Cleaver wrote:
Not sure which direction you want to aim in, Kate, but I've added Storage and Formatter hierarchies to the outline on the home page. I noted Cgi::Wiki already has a hierarchy so I've sketched Search and Setup into it as well.
Thanks, Martin. I really want to try to get rid of the separation between search indexes and data store, so I took the search off. Also I think Setup is really quite simple and can work the same way as it currently does.
Kake
Kake,
For the interim I've added a frame forwarder to redirect to your the.earth.li site. Do feel free to take control and install things properly.
Cheers, Martin.
-- Martin@Cleaver.org - +1 416 832 7759 Melbourne Business School FT 2004 MBA Exchange Participant to Rotman
=-----Original Message----- =From: Martin@Cleaver.org [mailto:Martin@Cleaver.org] =Sent: Friday, 10 October 2003 2:46 PM =To: cgi-wiki-dev@earth.li =Subject: RE: [cgi-wiki-dev] Wiki::Toolkit = =All, = Not sure which direction you want to aim in, Kate, but I've added =Storage =and Formatter hierarchies to the outline on the home page. I noted =Cgi::Wiki =already has a hierarchy so I've sketched Search and Setup into it as well. = =Cheers, = Martin. = =-- =Martin@Cleaver.org - +1 416 832 7759 =Melbourne Business School FT 2004 MBA Exchange Participant to Rotman = = = ==-----Original Message----- ==From: Martin@Cleaver.org [mailto:Martin@Cleaver.org] ==Sent: Thursday, 9 October 2003 9:47 PM ==To: cgi-wiki-dev@earth.li ==Subject: RE: [cgi-wiki-dev] Wiki::Toolkit == ==Hi all, == I can confirm that the said account is now set up. Kate now has control! == ==Cheers, == Martin == ==-- ==Martin@Cleaver.org == == ===-----Original Message----- ===From: Kate L Pugh [mailto:kake@earth.li] ===Sent: Thursday, 9 October 2003 1:09 PM ===To: cgi-wiki-dev@earth.li ===Subject: [cgi-wiki-dev] Wiki::Toolkit === ===I've set up a wiki for us to make a start on brainstorming the ===documentation for the proposed rewrite as Wiki::Toolkit. It's ===currently at === === http://the.earth.li/~kake/cgi-bin/wiki-toolkit/wiki.cgi === ===(but this will change. Earle has registered the wiki-toolkit.org domain === and Martin has offered to host the domain and hence the wiki. Can you === two figure out between you what still needs to be done there?) === ===In the meantime, please get stuck in to the docs on the wiki. The ===default formatter for discussion etc pages is UseMod, and the ===documentation pages are done in POD. === ===If you want the wiki to be different in some way, or find something ===broken in it, please let me know. === ===If this isn't what the people who were wanting a wiki for development ===were actually wanting, then again let me know. === ===I don't plan to start programming yet; I want some consensus (via the ===docs on the wiki) of what the API should be first. === ===Kake === ===-- ===http://www.earth.li/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cgi-wiki-dev == == ==-- ==http://www.earth.li/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cgi-wiki-dev = = =-- =http://www.earth.li/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cgi-wiki-dev
Martin,
Any chance you could interleave your comments, and trim any quotes you're not directly replying to? It makes things much easier to follow. (List Mom)
Kate L Pugh [mailto:kake@earth.li] wrote:
(but this will change. Earle has registered the wiki-toolkit.org domain and Martin has offered to host the domain and hence the wiki. Can you two figure out between you what still needs to be done there?)
On Thu 09 Oct 2003, Martin Cleaver wrote:
I can confirm that the said account is now set up. Kate now has control!
Are you sure this is wise? I'm congenitally incompetent, you know.
Seriously, the more work you can take off my shoulders concerning all this admin stuff, the better. My head is full of code. I wonder whether it might be a good plan to give Earle an account too, so he can set up the domain stuff what I know nothing about.
Kake
Thanks Kake, I've started contributing.
A couple of nits about the interface: 1. Why does it ask my username every time? Shouldn't it at least save it in a cookie the first time I enter it? 2. There's no easy way, AFAICT, to cut and paste a link to a page with a long title. For example, I wanted to link to
http://the.earth.li/~kake/cgi-bin/wiki-toolkit/wiki.cgi?node=Division%20Of%2 0Labour%20Between%20The%20Main%20Classes but everywhere that title appears it has spaces between the name, so I had to cut and paste and manually remove the spaces.
Jon
----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate L Pugh" kake@earth.li To: cgi-wiki-dev@earth.li Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 10:09 AM Subject: [cgi-wiki-dev] Wiki::Toolkit
I've set up a wiki for us to make a start on brainstorming the documentation for the proposed rewrite as Wiki::Toolkit. It's currently at
http://the.earth.li/~kake/cgi-bin/wiki-toolkit/wiki.cgi
(but this will change. Earle has registered the wiki-toolkit.org domain and Martin has offered to host the domain and hence the wiki. Can you two figure out between you what still needs to be done there?)
In the meantime, please get stuck in to the docs on the wiki. The default formatter for discussion etc pages is UseMod, and the documentation pages are done in POD.
If you want the wiki to be different in some way, or find something broken in it, please let me know.
If this isn't what the people who were wanting a wiki for development were actually wanting, then again let me know.
I don't plan to start programming yet; I want some consensus (via the docs on the wiki) of what the API should be first.
Kake
-- http://www.earth.li/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cgi-wiki-dev
Jon, I already asked Martin this, so don't think I'm picking on you. Could you interleave your replies and snip out the quoted bits you're not directly replying to, please? I'm asking this as List Mom.
"Kate L Pugh" kake@earth.li wrote:
I've set up a wiki for us to make a start on brainstorming the documentation for the proposed rewrite as Wiki::Toolkit.
On Sun 12 Oct 2003, Jonathan Swartz swartz@pobox.com wrote:
Thanks Kake, I've started contributing.
Excellent, thank you.
A couple of nits about the interface:
- Why does it ask my username every time? Shouldn't it at least save it in
a cookie the first time I enter it?
Martin asked this on the wiki; see http://the.earth.li/~kake/cgi-bin/wiki-toolkit/wiki.cgi?node=SiteComments
In short - someone needs to write the code to do this, and I believe it can easily be cannibalised from OpenGuides.
- There's no easy way, AFAICT, to cut and paste a link to a page with a
long title. For example, I wanted to link to
http://the.earth.li/~kake/cgi-bin/wiki-toolkit/wiki.cgi?node=Division%20Of%2 0Labour%20Between%20The%20Main%20Classes but everywhere that title appears it has spaces between the name, so I had to cut and paste and manually remove the spaces.
You want:
[[Division of labour between the main classes]]
to create a link to that node.
I'm not going to *mandate* that people use this kind of node name instead of StudlyCaps, but it might be better, for the sake of consistency.
Kake
- There's no easy way, AFAICT, to cut and paste a link to a page with a
long title. For example, I wanted to link to
http://the.earth.li/~kake/cgi-bin/wiki-toolkit/wiki.cgi?node=Division%20Of%2
0Labour%20Between%20The%20Main%20Classes but everywhere that title appears it has spaces between the name, so I
had
to cut and paste and manually remove the spaces.
You want:
[[Division of labour between the main classes]]
to create a link to that node.
I'm not going to *mandate* that people use this kind of node name instead of StudlyCaps, but it might be better, for the sake of
consistency.
Oh, I see - the name of that node actually has spaces in it.
Um - you want people to stop using StudlyCaps for all links - on this particular wiki, or on any Wiki::Toolkit wiki? Aren't StudlyCaps a pretty universal wiki standard? Have you found them to be too limiting?
Jon
On Sun 12 Oct 2003, Jonathan Swartz swartz@pobox.com wrote:
Oh, I see - the name of that node actually has spaces in it.
Yes. Now, to link to those node names from the POD formatted nodes isn't currently possible, since POD thinks that things with spaces in are sections of the same document, rather than separate documents. CGI::Wiki::Formatter::Pod needs a usemod_extended_links parameter to allow it to deal with these via a post- or pre-processor. Shouldn't be hard.
Um - you want people to stop using StudlyCaps for all links - on this particular wiki, or on any Wiki::Toolkit wiki?
On this particular wiki.
Aren't StudlyCaps a pretty universal wiki standard? Have you found them to be too limiting?
They're ugly. We don't use them on OpenGuides, or on the London.crafts wiki.
Kake
On Sun 12 Oct 2003, Jonathan Swartz swartz@pobox.com wrote:
Oh, I see - the name of that node actually has spaces in it.
On Sun 12 Oct 2003, Kate L Pugh kake@earth.li wrote:
Yes. Now, to link to those node names from the POD formatted nodes isn't currently possible, since POD thinks that things with spaces in are sections of the same document, rather than separate documents. CGI::Wiki::Formatter::Pod needs a usemod_extended_links parameter to allow it to deal with these via a post- or pre-processor. Shouldn't be hard.
Wasn't hard. Fixed in CGI::Wiki::Formatter::UseMod 0.02, installed on the server and just uploaded to CPAN.
Kake
On Sun 12 Oct 2003, Kate L Pugh kake@earth.li wrote:
[...] Fixed in CGI::Wiki::Formatter::UseMod 0.02, [...]
I suck. Obviously, I mean CGI::Wiki::Formatter::Pod.
Kake
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